My swing.

It seems only fair...

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:)

Hi

I await Larry "The Liar" and a pivot for power reference soon :D

Edgey

[QUOTE=alangbaker]It seems only fair...

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Comments welcome.

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I like your swing A.Baker , very smooth tempo... thanks for sharing

nice cameltoe

[QUOTE=ripit35]nice cameltoe[/QUOTE]
cameltoe for girls
buckknuckle for boys

You look like a young Larry.

Looks great. Can't say much beside your clubface looks a little closed at the top of your swing.

[QUOTE=edgey]Hi

I await Larry "The Liar" and a pivot for power reference soon :D[/QUOTE]

Oh, I've got something better for ol' Larry...

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That's hitting my 8 iron off my back foot and hitting a nice little draw; something Larry has claimed is impossible.

:)

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Oh, I've got something better for ol' Larry...

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That's hitting my 8 iron off my back foot and hitting a nice little draw; something Larry has claimed is impossible.

:)[/QUOTE]

is that a TM rac or a Cleveland?

[QUOTE=ripit35]is that a TM rac or a Cleveland?[/QUOTE]

Titleist AP2...

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Titleist AP2...[/QUOTE]

looks sharp!

[QUOTE=ripit35]looks sharp![/QUOTE]

They're great clubs... ...at least for me. :)

Less than two weeks after I bought them, I shot my PB: a 73. :D

Alan - After seeing both your swing and Larry's, if the two of you played you'd have to give him at least 15-20 strokes. Maybe 25.

Definitely not impossible to hit a draw with the weight on your back foot. However, someone who is capable of calling a shot like that would have to be a better than average golfer. The "typical" person hitting a shot with weight on their back foot (not on purpose) would have a very difficult time ever hitting a draw.

Swing looks pretty solid. I'd guess you're probably a sub 5 HDCP. Looks like a swing we'd allow to play in our weekend morning games.

[QUOTE=collegegolfer]Definitely not impossible to hit a draw with the weight on your back foot. However, someone who is capable of calling a shot like that would have to be a better than average golfer. The "typical" person hitting a shot with weight on their back foot (not on purpose) would have a very difficult time ever hitting a draw.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I know. I just like rubbing Larry's nose in some of his more outrageous pronouncements. :)

[QUOTE]Swing looks pretty solid. I'd guess you're probably a sub 5 HDCP. Looks like a swing we'd allow to play in our weekend morning games.[/QUOTE]

I'm not near 5 yet (more like 10.6 at the moment), but I think that if I can just settle down and play this year, I should be able to get down to somewhere in that vicinity before the season is over.

I was out tonight, and I got to play a couple of balls for the second nine as the sun was going down and my foursome broke up. So I got a lot more golf in than I would have otherwise, and I started to hit some really good shots when I stopped trying to figure out what my swing was doing and just swung.

I still didn't score well, but I know it's coming. :)

You have a nice grip Alan................Most people dont realize but,having a very superb grip on the club is by far the Most Important Thing In the golf swing. If you have a superb grip, in most cases the body will put a great stroke on the ball. You dont see people put good strokes on the ball that have a faulty gripping on the tool being wielded .

[QUOTE=ProStatus]You have a nice grip Alan................Most people dont realize but,having a very superb grip on the club is by far the Most Important Thing In the golf swing. If you have a superb grip, in most cases the body will put a great stroke on the ball. You dont see people put good strokes on the ball that have a faulty gripping on the tool being wielded .[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I don't know that it being "by far the Most Important Thing In the golf swing", but I know it's very important. :)

I try and keep a neutral grip so that I can release the club freely, and not worry about hooking it.

Sometimes, it even works. :D

+1 on the "for you Larry" in the last couple seconds.

I won't comment on the swing, but I can say you would fit roght in at my course dress wise. T-shirts and blue jeans without holes in them are considered well to do at my course outisde competition rounds.

[QUOTE=ripit35]nice cameltoe[/QUOTE] Spoken like a jealous man...

I like the swing. Could anchor the lower body a bit firmer, and torque the midsection a bit more to get to the top... that would give you more power... but overall the pace is great, the impact sounds tight and the finish shows you are within yourself and repeatable..

nicely done.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]I like the swing. Could anchor the lower body a bit firmer, and torque the midsection a bit more to get to the top... that would give you more power... but overall the pace is great, [B][I]the impact sounds tight[/I][/B] [B][I]and the finish[/I][/B] shows you are within yourself and repeatable..

nicely done.[/QUOTE]

... the finish in the second video sounds great too [B][I]"That was for you Larry ..."[/I][/B]

LOL :D

The Alan & Larry show is hilarious!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]... the finish in the second video sounds great too [B][I]"That one was for you Larry ..."[/I][/B]

LOL :D

The Allan & Larry show is hilarious![/QUOTE]

how could i have missed that?

i also find larry's comment on his youtube channel hilarious:

You are a sicko. Seek counseling. It will be obvious to any psychiatrist that you have become obsessed with me.

I am keeping a file of all the stuff you send me and say about me. I think the police will see a common criminal pattern if this escalates.

Get counseling, Alan.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]... the finish in the second video sounds great too [B][I]"That one was for you Larry ..."[/I][/B]

The Allan & Larry show is hilarious![/QUOTE]

Please!

It's "Alan". Only one "l".

:D

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Please!

It's "Alan". Only one "l".

:D[/QUOTE]

Apologies. Post duly edited!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Apologies. Post duly edited![/QUOTE]

Damn right. ;)

This should be a requirement for all future swing videos posted, "That's for you, Larry" must conclude the video

[QUOTE=ripit35]This should be a requirement for all future swing videos posted, "That's for you, Larry" must conclude the video[/QUOTE]

Well, perhaps for all swings that are better than...

I'm sorry. Right.

All swing videos it is.

:D

[QUOTE=daveperkins]I like the swing. Could anchor the lower body a bit firmer, and torque the midsection a bit more to get to the top... that would give you more power... but overall the pace is great, the impact sounds tight and the finish shows you are within yourself and repeatable..

nicely done.[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

That's pretty much my own take on it too. My distance isn't bad, but since more distance means you can use a shorter, inherently more accurate club for any given shot...

I'm trying to focus on feeling the torque in the torso and starting a swing from the feet up that maintains that torque longer.

I'm having a difficult time getting past the FUPA and muffin top.

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Oh, I've got something better for ol' Larry...

That's hitting my 8 iron off my back foot and hitting a nice little draw; something Larry has claimed is impossible.

:)[/QUOTE]


Maybe "impossible" without graphite shafts. Oh, wait...guess not. :)

BTW, nice swing.



bd

Notice that teaching pros place their camera BEHIND the student? Duh. That is because most of the faults that would made the ball fly off-line occur on the swing plane, which can be viewed only from the back.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Notice that teaching pros place their camera BEHIND the student? Duh. That is because most of the faults that would made the ball fly off-line occur on the swing plane, which can be viewed only from the back. [/QUOTE]

Ah, Larry!

A little late, but utterly predictable.

Will this satisfy you:

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And I haven't spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on lessons, as you've claimed to have done. :)

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Ah, Larry!

A little late, but utterly predictable.

Will this satisfy you:

And I haven't spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on lessons, as you've claimed to have done. :)[/QUOTE]

Nice swing Alan but a little lacking in the finish. I didn't hear any [B][I]"That was for you Larry"[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Nice swing Alan but a little lacking in the finish. I didn't hear any [B][I]"That was for you Larry"[/I][/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry, I recorded it before the rule was created. :(

[QUOTE=Horseballs]I'm having a difficult time getting past the FUPA and muffin top.[/QUOTE]

Muffin top I know. FUPA, not so much. Explain HB. Are you referring to the aforementioned moose-knuckle?

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Ah, Larry!

A little late, but utterly predictable.:)[/QUOTE]

I have taken enough lessons to know what I should be working on-- and how to spot the common faults that I and most amateurs make.

And as I suspected, you allow the club to flip up over your head on the top of the backswing--WAY over the swing plane. You allow it to go up there instead of keeping it down on plane over your shoulders. You do what Hogan said in "5 Lessons" would break the glass pane.

Common fault, not that serious, but it does make hitting greens difficult. It causes poor poor contact and erratic ball flight trajectory with irons--especially long irons (which I would expect you avoid). That fault causes VERY poor contact with fairways woods, and makes sand shots difficult.

Spend some money on lessons---and learn how to fix it.

Larry

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Nice swing Alan but a little lacking in the finish. I didn't hear any [B][I]"That was for you Larry"[/I][/B][/QUOTE]


Not quite a "nice swing." Lifting the club over the plane on top is seldom done by golfers who break 90. Those who do it must either develop some sort of handsy compensation--or learn to swing on plane. This illustrates the reason we take lessons. Most amateurs have no idea how to fix this common fault without help.

Larry

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Muffin top I know. FUPA, not so much. Explain HB. Are you referring to the aforementioned moose-knuckle?[/QUOTE]
It's more of a female term, but can be universally applied. Fat upper pussie/penis area.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I have taken enough lessons to know what I should be working on-- and how to spot the common faults that I and most amateurs make.

And as I suspected, you allow the club to flip up over your head on the top of the backswing--WAY over the swing plane. You allow it to go up there instead of keeping it down on plane over your shoulders. You do what Hogan said in "5 Lessons" would break the glass pane.

Common fault, not that serious, but it does make hitting greens difficult. It causes poor poor contact and erratic ball flight trajectory with irons--especially long irons (which I would expect you avoid). That fault causes VERY poor contact with fairways woods, and makes sand shots difficult.

Spend some money on lessons---and learn how to fix it.

Larry[/QUOTE]
Hogan's pane of glass swing theory is bunk and has been thrown out incorrect teaching method. Alan has posted a very nice golf swing that works for him. You can only dream of having anything close to that type of swing, and your petty jealousy is transparent. I believe you have owned by Alan, and I'll hereby refer to you as Larry, Alan's ***** (LarryAB for short).

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Hogan's pane of glass swing theory is bunk and has been thrown out incorrect teaching method. Alan has posted a very nice golf swing that works for him. You can only dream of having anything close to that type of swing, and your petty jealousy is transparent. I believe you have owned by Alan, and I'll hereby refer to you as Larry, Alan's ***** (LarryAB for short).[/QUOTE]

Yes, but Larry doesn't throw out incorrect teaching methods, he invents them

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I have taken enough lessons to know what I should be working on-- and how to spot the common faults that I and most amateurs make. [/QUOTE]

Please. You're not qualified to assess a complete beginner.

[QUOTE]And as I suspected, you allow the club to flip up over your head on the top of the backswing--WAY over the swing plane. You allow it to go up there instead of keeping it down on plane over your shoulders. You do what Hogan said in "5 Lessons" would break the glass pane. [/QUOTE]

Utterly wrong. Stop the video at the top of the swing. My left arm is just slightly above my shoulder. In comparison, the best swing I've ever seen you make -- your latest 6 iron video on YouTube -- has you [B][I]way[/I][/B] steeper.

[QUOTE]Common fault, not that serious, but it does make hitting greens difficult. It causes poor poor contact and erratic ball flight trajectory with irons--especially long irons (which I would expect you avoid). That fault causes VERY poor contact with fairways woods, and makes sand shots difficult. [/QUOTE]

Wow. Wrong in every particular.

[QUOTE]Spend some money on lessons---and learn how to fix it.[/QUOTE]

After all the money you've spent, why isn't your swing fixed yet?

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Not quite a "nice swing." Lifting the club over the plane on top is seldom done by golfers who break 90. Those who do it must either develop some sort of handsy compensation--or learn to swing on plane. This illustrates the reason we take lessons. Most amateurs have no idea how to fix this common fault without help. [/QUOTE]

Once again, wrong.

The one thing I don't need to be with my swing is handsy.

You're batting 0.000, Larry, as I knew you would! :)

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Yes, but Larry doesn't throw out incorrect teaching methods, he invents them[/QUOTE]

That much is not true.

What Larry does is expand whatever drill or technique his current instructor (he's gone through quite a few; I wonder why...) is having him work on to include everyone.

Larry can't stand the idea that there might be things that he isn't capable of doing that others don't also struggle with as well, and thus must endlessly shrill that "99% of all golfers" share his faults.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Not quite a "nice swing." Lifting the club over the plane on top is seldom done by golfers who break 90. Those who do it must either develop some sort of handsy compensation--or learn to swing on plane. This illustrates the reason we take lessons. Most amateurs have no idea how to fix this common fault without help. [/QUOTE]

BTW, kudos for actually posting a score (even it is somewhat incredible that a self-described retired person such as yourself would only have played once this month so far), but...

...how is it that someone who claims to be a 6 handicap could have shot a 100?

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Then click on "Current month".

Just curious...

[QUOTE=alangbaker]That much is not true.

What Larry does is expand whatever drill or technique his current instructor (he's gone through quite a few; I wonder why...) is having him work on to include everyone.

[/QUOTE]

Hate to correct you there, Alan, but Larry is credited here on GR with the invention of the Tai Chi golf training swing jumping grasshopper thing.

You aren't going to try and follow me home now, are you?

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Hogan's pane of glass swing theory is bunk and has been thrown out incorrect teaching method. Alan has posted a very nice golf swing that works for him. You can only dream of having anything close to that type of swing, and your petty jealousy is transparent. I believe you have owned by Alan, and I'll hereby refer to you as Larry, Alan's ***** (LarryAB for short).[/QUOTE]

Hogan's method of expressing "swing under the setup swing plane" and avoid OTT is NOT bunk and is the basis of all teaching--before and after Hogan. NO PGA pro thinks OTT is better than swinging on-plane.

This is too silly to debate. The blatant nonsense some people write here is appalling---

It is not about me personally--or Alan. I would not bother writing about petty nonsense like that. I wrote about correct fundamentals-- that we should be learning from lessons.

Larry

[QUOTE=Horseballs]It's more of a female term, but can be universally applied. Fat upper pussie/penis area.[/QUOTE]
Its kind of like a gunt.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHsiq4iCdY[/url]

My swing is still "slightly" too steep in this video. But because I have absolute control of the clubface, the ball goes ARROW straight. I have actually improved my backswing plane since then--because I know how. I shot near par Saturday, hit ALL the fairways and half the GIR. Not bad since I am 20+ years older than Alan (who has a big gut).

And then I posted 100 because I am on a project raise my handicap index. I will continue doing that until my index is consistent with my scoring ability. Sue me if you have problems with that.

Larry

So you're sandbagging?

[QUOTE=Mward2002]So you're sandbagging?[/QUOTE]

Nope, everyone I play against is sandbagging me--- until I get this corrected. I have no chance of playing to the 6 handicap I accidently created 2+ years ago while playing a series of 9 hole "rounds" on my home course. I would drop by my club for an hour or so, warm up on the range, then run out and shoot 38. My mistake was posting those scores--because the system put those scores together and killed me with a 6 handicap. Fair is fair, and that is not fair.

Larry

38 for 9 holes from the senior tees would be like 12 handicap, would it not?

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Nope, everyone I play against is sandbagging me--- until I get this corrected. I have no chance of playing to the 6 handicap I accidently created 2+ years ago while playing a series of 9 hole "rounds" on my home course. I would drop by my club for an hour or so, warm up on the range, then run out and shoot 38. My mistake was posting those scores--because the system put those scores together and killed me with a 6 handicap. Fair is fair, and that is not fair.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Larry

This makes no sense at all. You claim to have shot close to par in your last round on Saturday then post 100??? WTF???

That's a 30 handicap. A 30 capper can only dream of shooting close to par.

So what do you consider your 'correct' handicap to be?

[QUOTE=ripit35]38 for 9 holes from the senior tees would be like 12 handicap, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Thats a 76 and when you post a few of those you become a 6 real fast! The tees don't matter (and I always play the blues because I can hit drives 230ish)

Larry

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player
So what do you consider your 'correct' handicap to be?[/QUOTE]

I usually shoot 42/42-- about 10 over from the blue tees on good courses, for a handicap of 8 or 9. I can play to that. And I would bet on it. But I am NOT going to just give money away with a 6 handicap.

later

Shoots a couple over par and posts a 100. FYI Larry...you're supposed to play to your handicap less than 20% of your rounds. Your handicap is supposed to show your POTENTIAL not your average or median. And if you shot within a couple strokes of par, your POTENTIAL is within a couple strokes of par. Sounds to me like a 6 is about right if you're shooting within a couple strokes of par once in a while. Alan is a bit off plane at the top, but not WAY off like I see a lot of people. I'm more impressed with his balance, smooth swing and transitions than worried about him being a bit off-plane.

There's nothing I can't stand more in golf than a sandbagger with an excuse for doing it. Honestly post your scores and your handicap will be HONEST. You're a cheat for doing what you're doing. No excuses or reasoning. You're a cheater. Just like the people we catch doing the same thing and put their handicaps on "probation" so when they enter tournaments they are capped at a certain level or not allowed to play.

Not saying others don't do the same thing you do (there are quite a few), but as a human you can make the RIGHT choice or do what everyone else does and sell your soul. Which one improves the world? Why do you think I refuse to play in handicapped tournaments? Because net scores usually come in near the low 60's. What chance do I, an honest +1 to -1 hdcp, have to win in any event? If I shoot a 66 (-6) and round of my life, I'm still not in the money.

Disgusting.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Thats a 76 and when you post a few of those you become a 6 real fast! The tees don't matter (and I always play the blues because I can hit drives 230ish)

Larry[/QUOTE]


Uh, course ratings (used in calculating handicap) are different for different tees Larry. So they DO make a difference. Guess you haven't had a lesson or read a book on that yet.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHsiq4iCdY[/url]


Not bad since I am 20+ years older than [B]Alan (who has a big gut).
[/B]

Larry[/QUOTE]

I can no longer stand these personal attacks and the hurling of feces and/or fecal-like matter on this forum. You guys have fun. I'm out of here. I am going to quit wasting time on this stupid board and devote more time to meaningful projects, like my Honest Handicap Keeping training aids like the HandicapForIntegrity or the RU Honest.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHsiq4iCdY[/url]

My swing is still "slightly" too steep in this video. But because I have absolute control of the clubface, the ball goes ARROW straight. I have actually improved my backswing plane since then--because I know how. I shot near par Saturday, hit ALL the fairways and half the GIR. Not bad since I am 20+ years older than Alan (who has a big gut).[/QUOTE]

So...

This time when you say "the ball goes ARROW straight"...

...this time you mean it, right?

Unlike the dozen other times you've told us you had it all figured out, right?

And I love the "big gut" part, Larry. Because you're all about the golf and not personal insults, right?

LOL

[QUOTE]And then I posted 100 because I am on a project raise my handicap index. I will continue doing that until my index is consistent with my scoring ability. Sue me if you have problems with that. [/QUOTE]

Sue you? No. But you realize you're basically admitting that you're a cheat, right?

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Nope, everyone I play against is sandbagging me--- until I get this corrected. I have no chance of playing to the 6 handicap I accidently created 2+ years ago while playing a series of 9 hole "rounds" on my home course. I would drop by my club for an hour or so, warm up on the range, then run out and shoot 38. My mistake was posting those scores--because the system put those scores together and killed me with a 6 handicap. Fair is fair, and that is not fair.[/QUOTE]

I'll say this straight:

You are flat out lying.

Your last posted round of 9 was in November 2006 and the earliest score in your 18 hole handicap is from April 2007.

Anyone who wants to check my facts can click on this:

[URL="http://www.idcreports.com/members/member.html?k=s&p=psearch&MBRNBR=568470"]http://www.idcreports.com/members/member.html?k=s&p=psearch&MBRNBR=568470[/URL]

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Thats a 76 and when you post a few of those you become a 6 real fast! The tees don't matter (and I always play the blues because I can hit drives 230ish)[/QUOTE]

You're lying again. You said just the other day that you were playing from the whites.

And anyone who cares to look can see that all the scores that actually make up your handicap were shot between June 2007 and January 2008, and that among them, there are only two scores that are less than or equal to 76.

There are a few rounds of 9 posted at 38 or better, but they are from dates long since gone from your handicap.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I usually shoot 42/42-- about 10 over from the blue tees on good courses, for a handicap of 8 or 9. I can play to that. And I would bet on it. But I am NOT going to just give money away with a 6 handicap.

later[/QUOTE]

That would make your made up handicap pretty much equal to my real one; in fact, a couple of strokes better than mine.

I'll play you straight up for cash. Are you game?

:)

[QUOTE=collegegolfer]Shoots a couple over par and posts a 100. FYI Larry...you're supposed to play to your handicap less than 20% of your rounds. Your handicap is supposed to show your POTENTIAL not your average or median. And if you shot within a couple strokes of par, your POTENTIAL is within a couple strokes of par. Sounds to me like a 6 is about right if you're shooting within a couple strokes of par once in a while. Alan is a bit off plane at the top, but not WAY off like I see a lot of people. I'm more impressed with his balance, smooth swing and transitions than worried about him being a bit off-plane. [/QUOTE]

Thanks, CG. :)

Truth to tell, I'm hitting the ball better when my plane is a little higher.

[QUOTE]There's nothing I can't stand more in golf than a sandbagger with an excuse for doing it. Honestly post your scores and your handicap will be HONEST. You're a cheat for doing what you're doing. No excuses or reasoning. You're a cheater. Just like the people we catch doing the same thing and put their handicaps on "probation" so when they enter tournaments they are capped at a certain level or not allowed to play. Not saying others don't do the same thing you do (there are quite a few), but as a human you can make the RIGHT choice or do what everyone else does and sell your soul. Which one improves the world? Why do you think I refuse to play in handicapped tournaments? Because net scores usually come in near the low 60's. What chance do I, an honest +1 to -1 hdcp, have to win in any event? If I shoot a 66 (-6) and round of my life, I'm still not in the money.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the funny thing is that I believe Larry is *now* posting his scores honestly. He's been a vanity capper to this point. There is literally no *way* Larry is even close to a 6.

5 meaningless posts in the last 4 hours. And who amongst you were worried Alan would scare Larry away?

Yeah Larry no matter how you look at it, you're cheating. 9 hole rounds do count, I post them to my handicap all the time. Yeah it's nice when I can get two good 9's combined but I'm not gonna jack one up just to keep my handicap at 10.3.

[QUOTE=collegegolfer]Shoots a couple over par and posts a 100. FYI Larry...you're supposed to play to your handicap less than 20% of your rounds. Your handicap is supposed to show your POTENTIAL not your average or median. And if you shot within a couple strokes of par, your POTENTIAL is within a couple strokes of par. Sounds to me like a 6 is about right if you're shooting within a couple strokes of par once in a while. Alan is a bit off plane at the top, but not WAY off like I see a lot of people. I'm more impressed with his balance, smooth swing and transitions than worried about him being a bit off-plane.

There's nothing I can't stand more in golf than a sandbagger with an excuse for doing it. Honestly post your scores and your handicap will be HONEST. You're a cheat for doing what you're doing. No excuses or reasoning. You're a cheater. Just like the people we catch doing the same thing and put their handicaps on "probation" so when they enter tournaments they are capped at a certain level or not allowed to play.

Not saying others don't do the same thing you do (there are quite a few), but as a human you can make the RIGHT choice or do what everyone else does and sell your soul. Which one improves the world? Why do you think I refuse to play in handicapped tournaments? Because net scores usually come in near the low 60's. What chance do I, an honest +1 to -1 hdcp, have to win in any event? If I shoot a 66 (-6) and round of my life, I'm still not in the money.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, right. Single digits win NOTHING. Check out ANY tournament anywhere in which high handicappers play against single digits. One of the highs ALWAYS wins because they somehow shoot their career best with 22 pops. I have seen 22 handicappers break gross 80 from the blue tees! Ridiculous. So for any single digit it is simply stupid to enter such tournaments with any hope of getting near the win.

I play in those quite often, but I play only for fun, nothing invested and with zero expectations of winning. I do win "closest to the pin" quite often because I am VERY accurate with middle irons (I hit whole buckets in practice with one iron). Recently I won ALL the skins because of two closest to the pins. I shot 80 from the blues on a slope 138 course--and was killed by several high handicappers shooting net 63 or something. Their only competition was OTHER sandbagging high handcappers.

So spare me the cheating stuff.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf] Recently I won ALL the skins because of two closest to the pins. I shot 80 from the blues on a slope 138 course--and was killed by several high handicappers shooting net 63 or something. Their only competition was OTHER sandbagging high handcappers.

So spare me the cheating stuff.[/QUOTE]

Funny, Larry. The 80 you claim you shot is not listed among the rounds on your handicap page:

[URL="http://www.idcreports.com/members/member.html?k=s&p=psearch&MBRNBR=568470"]http://www.idcreports.com/members/member.html?k=s&p=psearch&MBRNBR=568470[/URL]

Would you care to explain that? :)

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Yeah, right. Single digits win NOTHING. Check out ANY tournament anywhere in which high handicappers play against single digits. One of the highs ALWAYS wins because they somehow shoot their career best with 22 pops. I have seen 22 handicappers break gross 80 from the blue tees! Ridiculous. So for any single digit it is simply stupid to enter such tournaments with any hope of getting near the win.

I play in those quite often, but I play only for fun, nothing invested and with zero expectations of winning. I do win "closest to the pin" quite often because I am VERY accurate with middle irons (I hit whole buckets in practice with one iron). Recently I won ALL the skins because of two closest to the pins. I shot 80 from the blues on a slope 138 course--and was killed by several high handicappers shooting net 63 or something. Their only competition was OTHER sandbagging high handcappers.

So spare me the cheating stuff.

Larry[/QUOTE]

I suspect cheaters always have a rationalization. The great thing is when you have an open and shut case. Someone who's caught dead at it. Like this instance.

You don't need a confession. The facts speak for themselves. It's a shame somebody thinks so little of themselves they'd sell their honor so cheaply.

It's a safe bet he cheats whenever it's possible and convenient and always has a good rationalization for it.

Hi

Just to be clear Larry this IS an Ad Hominem attack on you

You are a

1. Lying

2. Cheating

3. Deluded

4. Sad

5. Pathetic

6. Bizzare

C UNT

You have been exposed for the fraud you are so why dont you do us all a favour and f uck off to your next golf forum and spout your bollocks to them

Kind regards

Edgey

I can't believe I stopped reading this thread.

There is some fine work being done here.

I'll have to remember the new rule with my next swing video!!!

[QUOTE=alangbaker]
Would you care to explain that? :)[/QUOTE]

Nope. Sue me.

Larry

I have learned that most here do NOT belong to a Men's golf club--and have no formal handicap index. They post while hiding behind a pseudonym, yet rave about rules and ethics... You're boring me-.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Nope. Sue me.

Larry[/QUOTE]

How about I just pass along your recent postings to your handicap committee?

:-)

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc] they'd sell their honor so cheaply[/QUOTE]

I lost!! I would have lost with a 12 handicap. I would have lost with a 16 handicap. So what honor are you raving about? I lost!!! It is not like I sandbagged a high handicap and then collected the prize for low net.

I won "closest to the pin"-- twice in the same round and that almost guaranteed me the skins game win. I always enter the skins game if they have one-- and I have a great chance to win by getting closest to the pins. The high handicap sandbaggers can't even hit the greens, much less get close.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I have learned that most here do NOT belong to a Men's golf club--and have no formal handicap index. They post while hiding behind a pseudonym, yet rave about rules and ethics...[/QUOTE]

I have a real handicap index, Larry; one where I don't pick and choose scores, or embark on "project[s] to raise my handicap". Anyone I know would call that cheating. :)

[QUOTE]You're boring me-.[/QUOTE]

What a coincidence! You're amusing me! :D

I couldn't imagine someone being able to reach a few par 4's in two from the blue tees, if their longest drives are ~230ish. Anything over 400 yards sounds out of reach for you. What is your course rating, 62? Please tell me its at least 6,000 yards, from the blues....

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I lost!! I would have lost with a 12 handicap. I would have lost with a 16 handicap. So what honor are you raving about? I lost!!! It is not like I sandbagged a high handicap and then collected the prize for low net.[/QUOTE]

You think that losing makes cheating alright?

LOL

[QUOTE]I won "closest to the pin"-- twice in the same round and that almost guaranteed me the skins game win. I always enter the skins game if they have one-- and I have a great chance to win by getting closest to the pins. The high handicap sandbaggers can't even hit the greens, much less get close.[/QUOTE]

Wait: don't tell me. You hit "all the fairways" nearly all the greens, but your short game -- which you declared deadly and then said you never bothered with before saying you work on it hours each day -- let you down, right?

LOL

[QUOTE=alangbaker]How about I just pass along your recent postings to your handicap committee?

:-)[/QUOTE]

You are definitely making some memorable contributions here. Why would you hesitate to report him?

This thread is now a classic.

[QUOTE=ripit35]I couldn't imagine someone being able to reach a few par 4's in two from the blue tees, if their longest drives are ~230ish. Anything over 400 yards sounds out of reach for you. What is your course rating, 62? Please tell me its at least 6,000 yards, from the blues....[/QUOTE]

Prepare to be regaled with tales of how brutally tough "Morgan Run" is...

:)

I don't even think LarryAB plays golf.
And LAB, the CC I belong to would ban you from future competition if you pulled any of that 'cap manipulation bullsh!t you're trying to rationalize on here. You'd also be ridiculed and outcast as a lying cheat and would never find a game at the club. Which may be why you spend so many pretend hours practicing at the range.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]
And LAB, the CC I belong to would ban you from future competition if you pulled any of that 'cap manipulation bullsh!t you're trying to rationalize on here. You'd also be ridiculed and outcast as a lying cheat and would never find a game at the club.[/QUOTE]

Same result at my club. There was one guy and he was universally despised. Ultimately sold him membership.

You know, any of us can call this one in. Larry owes his handicap committee the explanations he's giving us. Isn't it part of the golfer's code of honor to report cheating?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc] Larry owes his handicap committee the explanations [/QUOTE]


The only handicap that matters after a tournament is that of the winner. NOBODY cares about the handicap indexes of the losers. Notice that they don't do drug tests of any horse but the winner. Wise up.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]The only handicap that matters after a tournament is that of the winner. NOBODY cares about the handicap indexes of the losers. Notice that they don't do drug tests of any horse but the winner. Wise up.[/QUOTE]

And you've just admitted to posting scores worse than your actual ability in order to raise your handicap and improve your chances of winning...


...cheat.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]The only handicap that matters after a tournament is that of the winner. NOBODY cares about the handicap indexes of the losers. Notice that they don't do drug tests of any horse but the winner. Wise up.

Larry[/QUOTE]

That makes alot of sense, Larry. Make sure you run that one by the Mensa guys at the next meeting.

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Prepare to be regaled with tales of how brutally tough "Morgan Run" is...
:)[/QUOTE]

We played our tournament at Redhawk. Check it out. I doubt most of you could break 100 there.

Larry

[QUOTE=alangbaker]And you've just admitted to posting scores worse than your actual ability in order to raise your handicap and improve your chances of winning....[/QUOTE]

I need to adjust my handicap index to my current ability.

If I win anything due to handicap index, I would refuse the money, drinks, or whatever.

My friends and I play even-- regardless of handicap index. Just keep it simple. I usually buy the beer because my golfing friends are mostly scratch-- and as was true in tennis, I find that playing UP is better for our game than playing DOWN- I enjoy the challenge. And regardless of birthdays, I am gaining on those guys.

larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]We played our tournament at Redhawk. Check it out. I doubt most of you could break 100 there.

Larry[/QUOTE]

I shot a 74 there.....wait for it........but I posted 100. Thank you! I'll be here all week! Tip your waitresses and bartenders.

You don't need to adjust your handicap to anything, that's what posting normal scores is for. If you've been averaging 80-85 and then all of a sudden you start posting 90-95 scores because you're in a suckfest, the handicap will naturally adjust. You don't need to help it by purposely skanking it around in order to raise your handicap. That's cheating no matter how you look at it.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I need to adjust my handicap index to my current ability. [/QUOTE]

You don't have that option. Play your best golf and let the chips fall where they may.

Or is it that you [I][B]are[/B][/I], in fact, now playing your best golf and just need to make up all this ******** to avoid admitting your earlier scores were completely bogus?

[QUOTE]If I win anything due to handicap index, I would refuse the money, drinks, or whatever.

My friends and I play even-- regardless of handicap index. Just keep it simple. I usually buy the beer because my golfing friends are mostly scratch-- and as was true in tennis, I find that playing UP is better for our game than playing DOWN- I enjoy the challenge. And regardless of birthdays, I am gaining on those guys.[/QUOTE]

You just can't stop with the lies, can you?

"We play Morgan Run, 2 miles from my home. Handicaps of course."

You remember that quote, don't you? Let me help:

[URL="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/461702872859581e?hl=en"]http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/461702872859581e?hl=en[/URL]

Well?

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]We played our tournament at Redhawk. Check it out.[/QUOTE]

From which tees, Larry?

[QUOTE] I doubt most of you could break 100 there.[/QUOTE]

If you can shoot 80 there, I can break 100. 100% guaranteed. :)

"I need to adjust my handicap index to my current ability.

If I win anything due to handicap index, I would refuse the money, drinks, or whatever. "

Ok, ok, ok...I must be missing something. So you need to raise your handicap to your current ability so if you ever win a net tournament you can refuse the winnings? Either I'm a complete moron or that is the most backwards logic I've ever seen in writing. Let me see...you play your buddies straight up (no need for a hdcp). And in a tournament where you will use your hdcp you'll refuse winnings if you win. I always thought I was smart but this is obviously logic above and beyond my reasoning. I don't quite follow why you need to raise your hdcp if you will refuse any tournament you win with a handicap. You've basically just written, "I have a handicap I don't use but I need to raise it so it's accurate." Why? It's not a legit handicap any more (if it ever was) because you're lying, and if you're not going to use it to collect winnings why not just save the $25/year and use it towards more range balls?

Larry, when you try and convince us you only cheat and lie when you have to, the only fallback position you have is you always cheat and lie. You need to plan these things better.

A better would excuse would have been "my dog ate it". That would at least shift focus to the possibility that you're insane, and I think most people would rather be viewed as insane than a dirtbag. Maybe we need a poll on this.

Larry, I'm sure you have heard of the number one thing you do if you've dug yourself into a hole.
YOU STOP DIGGING!!!

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Larry, I'm sure you have heard of the number one thing you do if you've dug yourself into a hole.
YOU STOP DIGGING!!![/QUOTE]

Not easy to stop digging when you play graphite shafted shovels I suppose! :)

It doesn't really matter whether he stops digging now. It's too late. This thread has buried any last shred of credibility he might have still had.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player][B]Not easy to stop digging when you play graphite shafted shovels I suppose! :) [/B]

It doesn't really matter whether he stops digging now. It's too late. This thread has buried any last shred of credibility he might have still had.[/QUOTE]

Very clever Kiwi. I like it!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Not easy to stop digging when you play graphite shafted shovels I suppose! :)

It doesn't really matter whether he stops digging now. It's too late. This thread has buried any last shred of credibility he might have still had.[/QUOTE]

STEADY ON KIWI!!!!

I am using Graphite BB 2002, dont lump in with the LIAR, CHEAT AND FRAUD.

Edgey

[QUOTE=edgey]STEADY ON KIWI!!!!

I am using Graphite BB 2002, dont lump in with the LIAR, CHEAT AND FRAUD.

Edgey[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't dream of it Edgey!

You've never dug a hole for yourself now though have you?

I remember when you first came on GR claiming a bag full of hybrids. Your irons supposedly started at a 7 iron (just to get a bit of flaming going with your old buddy Omen I guess :) ).

A couple of weeks later you had Titleist blades in your bag. I called you out on this and you did the honourable thing and immediately came clean rather than digging yourself a deeper hole like ol Larry is currently doing.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Wouldn't dream of it Edgey!

You've never dug a hole for yourself now though have you?

I remember when you first came on GR claiming a bag full of hybrids. Your irons supposedly started at a 7 iron (just to get a bit of flaming going with your old buddy Omen I guess :) ).

A couple of weeks later you had Titleist blades in your bag. I called you out on this and you did the honourable thing and immediately came clean rather than digging yourself a deeper hole like ol Larry is currently doing.[/QUOTE]
Kiwi, you are the official repository of GR. I bet you can name the last 10 iron sets BJ has had.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Kiwi, you are the official repository of GR. I bet you can name the last 10 iron sets BJ has had.[/QUOTE]

No chance!

You gotta admit Edgey v Omen was pretty entertaining back then! :D

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]No chance!

You gotta admit Edgey v Omen was pretty entertaining back then! :D[/QUOTE]
Yes, it was pretty good. I personally like edgey v. Mr3Wiggle better, but we all have our preferences.