Callaway BB Diablo Driver...just went on sales for $199.99

Golf Galaxy just sent me an email. That is dirt cheap. Glad I didn't buy it at $299.99. Anyone know if they are dropping a new product soon or do they just have a ton of these in stock due to the economy?

Did Cally stop the fairway wood for $1.00 promotion? If you can get a Diablo plus a fairway wood for $200, that's a great deal.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Did Cally stop the fairway wood for $1.00 promotion? If you can get a Diablo plus a fairway wood for $200, that's a great deal.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you want to get the fairway wood for $1.00, you have to pay the extra $200 surcharge for the driver. It's the law.....

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Did Cally stop the fairway wood for $1.00 promotion? If you can get a Diablo plus a fairway wood for $200, that's a great deal.[/QUOTE]

I think the $1 fairway wood promotion ended on July 31st. I guess they're running low on fairway woods and still need to move the drivers.

Maybe Callaway's chinese per club production cost for the fairway wood is now greater than $1.

Or maybe it's because fairway woods can be bad for the glass.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Maybe Callaway's chinese per club production cost for the fairway wood is now greater than $1.

Or maybe it's because fairway woods can be bad for the glass.[/QUOTE]

Just took a look at their site. A ton of stuff just got marked way down. They are also advertising the new Ping G15 and Ping i15 clubs.

[url]http://www.golfgalaxy.com/galaxy/dept.asp?s_id=0&dept_id=7&Ad_id=homepage_offer4_new_from_ping[/url]

I may take a trip over there and look around at lunch.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]Just took a look at their site. A ton of stuff just got marked way down. They are also advertising the new Ping G15 and Ping i15 clubs.

[url]http://www.golfgalaxy.com/galaxy/dept.asp?s_id=0&dept_id=7&Ad_id=homepage_offer4_new_from_ping[/url]

I may take a trip over there and look around at lunch.[/QUOTE]
So you've forgiven Golf Galaxy after they bent you over last week? You've got to make a stand at some point in your life or else your wife and Golf Galaxies of the world will continue to treat you like a dishrag whore.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]So you've forgiven Golf Galaxy after they bent you over last week? You've got to make a stand at some point in your life or else your wife and Golf Galaxies of the world will continue to treat you like a dishrag whore.[/QUOTE]

I want to stay mad at Golf Galaxy...I really do. Then I walk in there and smell that glorious forbidden golf merchandise and I melt like butter. Why can't I quit you Golf Galaxy!!!!!!!

3W, out in Palm Desert, they have a super-enormous golf galaxy. It has a bowling alley in it and I heard a banker from the Caymans rented some space there. Something to think about when you guys start taking separate vacations.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]3W, out in Palm Desert, they have a super-enormous golf galaxy. It has a bowling alley in it and I heard a banker from the Caymans rented some space there. Something to think about when you guys start taking separate vacations.[/QUOTE]

My dream is to visit the Callaway and Ping testing facilities in Las Vegas. Apparently you can make appointments to go through a full fitting from putter to driver at both sites. After they match you up they give you a print out to take with you. Then you go to your local shop and order the clubs. No sure how much Callaway or Ping charges for the 3 hour fitting session though.

Ok, I just looked at the new Ping products. It looks like they stole Titleist's current club sole design and cosmetics.

I'm thinking the guy that took the fall for Titleist's golf ball lawsuit with Callaway got hired by Ping.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]My dream is to visit the Callaway and Ping testing facilities in Las Vegas. Apparently you can make appointments to go through a full fitting from putter to driver at both sites. After they match you up they give you a print out to take with you. Then you go to your local shop and order the clubs. No sure how much Callaway or Ping charges for the 3 hour fitting session though.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense. The ball travels farther in the desert. I'll bet the guy that thought of that deception received a special bonus that year.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Ok, I just looked at the new Ping products. It looks like they stole Titleist's current club sole design and cosmetics.

I'm thinking the guy that took the fall for Titleist's golf ball lawsuit with Callaway got hired by Ping.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I noticed that too. I expect the Ping i15 driver to be a huge hit. I think that maybe the way I'll go if I ever get a new golf club. The fairway woods are straight Titleist knockoffs.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Makes sense. The ball travels farther in the desert. I'll bet the guy that thought of that deception received a special bonus that year.[/QUOTE]

I'll just be looking at the launch monitor results. Dry air and altitude can't fudge that.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle] The fairway woods are straight Titleist knockoffs.[/QUOTE]
That's a terrible idea. Titleist can't make a fairway wood worth a sh!t. So Ping is ripping off Titleist and Titleist is ripping off Callaway.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]That's a terrible idea. Titleist can't make a fairway wood worth a sh!t. So Ping is ripping off Titleist and Titleist is ripping off Callaway.[/QUOTE]

I've never hit a Ping fairway wood with a sh.t either. In fact they may be worse than the crap Titleist puts out.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]That's a terrible idea. Titleist can't make a fairway wood worth a sh!t. So Ping is ripping off Titleist and Titleist is ripping off Callaway.[/QUOTE]

Now if Callaway would just steal from Ping then the circle jerk would be complete.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Now if Callaway would just steal from Ping then the circle jerk would be complete.[/QUOTE]

Odyssey (along with every other putter company) has been ripping off the Anser2 and every other putter Ping has put out for some time now.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]Odyssey (along with every other putter company) has been ripping off the Anser2 and every other putter Ping has put out for some time now.[/QUOTE]

Maybe that does it. I guess it depends upon whether that awful white plastic insert on the face of "their" putters sufficiently attenuates them from Ping.

It got even better when they covered a small portion of the awful plastic with what looked like a small piece of awful aluminum foil. I haven't looked recently. Have they put anymore crap on there?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Maybe that does it. I guess it depends upon whether that awful white plastic insert on the face of "their" putters sufficiently attenuates them from Ping.

It got even better when they covered a small portion of the awful plastic with what looked like a small piece of awful aluminum foil. I haven't looked recently. Have they put anymore crap on there?[/QUOTE]

They started with that harder black face insert. Then brought out the White Hot series with the softer white face insert. I think they have some other materials as well.

Ping now has three face insert materials. They offer the metal, a medium hardness insert, and a soft insert.

Those soft inserts suck on slow greens.

This is where the game improvement stuff is just marketing bs. Few guys that putt with rythm and relaxed arms and hands would profit from an insert softer than metal. I would think most people would be better off learning those things than blocking that learning process by getting something that compensates, but not fully, for technique deficiencies.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]This is where the game improvement stuff is just marketing bs. Few guys that putt with rythm and relaxed arms and hands would profit from an insert softer than metal. I would think most people would be better off learning those things than blocking that learning process by getting something that compensates, but not fully, for technique deficiencies.[/QUOTE]

Same thing could be said about golf club offset, draw bias, softer compression golf balls, low lofted drivers, etc...

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]Same thing could be said about golf club offset, draw bias, softer compression golf balls, low lofted drivers, etc...[/QUOTE]

For sure, and I've made comments along those lines before. Everybody has limitations in learning the golf swing, and golf is hard enough where virtually everybody benefits from some degree of GI. How much is for each of us to decide. But I gotta believe that most people can learn how to let the putter head do the work.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]For sure, and I've made comments along those lines before. Everybody has limitations in learning the golf swing, and golf is hard enough where virtually everybody benefits from some degree of GI. How much is for each of us to decide. But I gotta believe that most people can learn how to let the putter head do the work.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with that. Putter face inserts seem to be the most ridiculous of the game improvement advances.

I'd say softer golf balls are a close second. A bunch of hackers out there have had to switch to a women's golf ball, because they don't hit down on the ball and properly compress it.

Wiggles two questions.

1. Why do you persist in torturing yourself going to Golf Galaxy? It's like a recovering junkie hanging out in a meth lab.

2. I thought all PING equipment sucked shite - why would you want to go to the PING testing facilities?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Wiggles two questions.

1. Why do you persist in torturing yourself going to Golf Galaxy? It's like a recovering junkie hanging out in a meth lab.

2. I thought all PING equipment sucked shite - why would you want to go to the PING testing facilities?[/QUOTE]

Ping putters are fine clubs. Supposedly this new driver (i15) is excellent. The guy at my local driving range said they are clearing out the G10's at really low prices to make room for the i15's and G15's. His Ping rep let him sample the i15 and said it's the best driver they've put out in a number of years. He's a Ping guy though. He said it can be ordered now, but would not ship until September.

Regarding your first question...I'll buy something some day and just tell her to deal with it. $500 isn't going to empty the kid's college fund.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]Ping putters are fine clubs. Supposedly this new driver (i15) is excellent. The guy at my local driving range said they are clearing out the G10's at really low prices to make room for the i15's and G15's. His Ping rep let him sample the i15 and said it's the best driver they've put out in a number of years. He's a Ping guy though. He said it can be ordered now, but would not ship until September.

Regarding your first question...I'll buy something some day and just tell her to deal with it. $500 isn't going to empty the kid's college fund.[/QUOTE]

That i15/G15 range looks just like the i10/G10 range with a slightly altered paint job except for the G15 hybrid which looks bloody ugly. The i15 hybrid must be the same as the G10 but they are now marketing it as their 'players' hybrid.

I like most PING equipment apart from their irons but that is just personal preference as I don't like the look/appearance of them. I am sure they are good clubs though. I would have thought now was the time to get the G10 since they're clearing them out rather than paying through the nose for the new G15 range!!!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]That i15/G15 range looks just like the i10/G10 range with a slightly altered paint job except for the G15 hybrid which looks bloody ugly. The i15 hybrid must be the same as the G10 but they are now marketing it as their 'players' hybrid.

I like most PING equipment apart from their irons but that is just personal preference as I don't like the look/appearance of them. I am sure they are good clubs though. I would have thought now was the time to get the G10 since they're clearing them out rather than paying through the nose for the new G15 range!!![/QUOTE]

New G10 fairway woods with exotic shafts were selling fo $119.99. I was tempted to try out a 17* 4 wood with a UST shaft in it.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]New G10 fairway woods with exotic shafts were selling fo $119.99. I was tempted to try out a 17* 4 wood with a UST shaft in it.[/QUOTE]

I demoed the G10 15* 3 wood last year and it was my favourite compared with the TM Burner, Callaway X, Cleveland HiBore etc.

The 17* is a great option.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]I demoed the G10 15* 3 wood last year and it was my favourite compared with the TM Burner, Callaway X, Cleveland HiBore etc.

The 17* is a great option.[/QUOTE]

I may go back and try it. My idea is to have a 13* 3wood, a 17* 4 wood, and keep my 22* 7 wood. I've dropped my 3 iron to make room. They are selling the G10 hybrids for $99.99.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]New G10 fairway woods with exotic shafts were selling fo $119.99. I was tempted to try out a 17* 4 wood with a UST shaft in it.[/QUOTE]
Not that the UST is some crazy exotic shaft, but I spent a ton of money a few years ago trying out aftermarket shafts. I had a specific profile in mind and tried out a few shafts and they ended being nothing special. My favorite club has a $20 Fuji Vista in it.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]I may go back and try it. My idea is to have a 13* 3wood, a 17* 4 wood, and keep my 22* 7 wood. I've dropped my 3 iron to make room. They are selling the G10 hybrids for $99.99.[/QUOTE]

My plan was to get the 17* as my only fairway wood and the 22* hybrid as my next club to allow an extra wedge. However I hit the 15* well and love the 19* hybrid too so I have stuck with my setup with just the 52* & 58* wedges (versus 52*, 56* & 60*). However I did upgrade to the 2009 Launcher 15* 3 wood. It was selling for 50% off after Srixon bought out Cleveland. I demoed it and liked it as much as the PING G10 so it was a no brainer.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]My plan was to get the 17* as my only fairway wood and the 22* hybrid as my next club to allow an extra wedge. However I hit the 15* well and love the 19* hybrid too so I have stuck with my setup with just the 52* & 58* wedges (versus 52*, 56* & 60*). However I did upgrade to the 2009 Launcher 15* 3 wood. It was selling for 50% off after Srixon bought out Cleveland. I demoed it and liked it as much as the PING G10 so it was a no brainer.[/QUOTE]

I used to carry 13* 3 woods. The clubs with that loft were about 20 yards longer off the deck and about 30 yards longer off the tee than the. Seemed just as straight too. I want to go back to one. The 7 wood I have is great club for me, so pretty much forces the issue of getting a 4 wood. Eventually I'd like to swap out the 4 iron for a 24* or 25* hybrid.

You know any good 13* 3 woods that don't have a shallow face? I had the Big Berth II strong 3 wood with a strong shaft and I used to hit that thing a ton. It seems they don't make em like that any more.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Not that the UST is some crazy exotic shaft, but I spent a ton of money a few years ago trying out aftermarket shafts. I had a specific profile in mind and tried out a few shafts and they ended being nothing special. My favorite club has a $20 Fuji Vista in it.[/QUOTE]

That's what I have in my 3 wood. Feels nice. Still have yet to use a better shaft than the Grafalloy Prolite x-stiff I have in my 7 wood. I bought the club through my personal use account back in 2002. I think I paid $80 (USD). The guy at Cleveland was somewhat amused by the combination I ordered.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]I used to carry 13* 3 woods. The clubs with that loft were about 20 yards longer off the deck and about 30 yards longer off the tee than the. Seemed just as straight too. I want to go back to one. The 7 wood I have is great club for me, so pretty much forces the issue of getting a 4 wood. Eventually I'd like to swap out the 4 iron for a 24* or 25* hybrid.

You know any good 13* 3 woods that don't have a shallow face? I had the Big Berth II strong 3 wood with a strong shaft and I used to hit that thing a ton. It seems they don't make em like that any more.[/QUOTE]
Just get another GBB II. It's my gamer 3 wood and has held its space in the bag for many years, despite other newer clubs challenging it.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Just get another GBB II. It's my gamer 3 wood and has held its space in the bag for many years, despite other newer clubs challenging it.[/QUOTE]

I've had difficulty finding a BB II strong 3 wood with a strong flex shaft in like new condition. Anyone know where I would look. I don't like ebay and Callaway Pre-Owned never has one.

I'd probably be fine with an old Steelhead +, Steelhead II, Steelhead III, Steelhead or Steelhead Pro if it had a good shaft.

[QUOTE=Mr 3 Wiggle]I've had difficulty finding a BB II strong 3 wood with a strong flex shaft in like new condition. Anyone know where I would look. I don't like ebay and Callaway Pre-Owned never has one.[/QUOTE]
I was going to say Cally Pre-Owned. A couple years back I found a new GBB II 15 degree 3 wood on Ebay. This was during my exotic graphite days. I cut down a real Speeder 757 and had it put in that head. I could never get it more than 10 feet off the ground. Still got it in my locker.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'd probably be fine with an old Steelhead +, Steelhead II, Steelhead III, Steelhead or Steelhead Pro if it had a good shaft.[/QUOTE]
Steelhead + was a great club for me. I had the 3 wood and liked it so much I went to buy a matching driver. Cally had already come out with the Steelhead III and I figured 3 must be greater than +. Not for me. I hated that POS from the first swing to the last.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]I was going to say Cally Pre-Owned. A couple years back I found a new GBB II 15 degree 3 wood on Ebay. This was during my exotic graphite days. I cut down a real Speeder 757 and had it put in that head. I could never get it more than 10 feet off the ground. Still got it in my locker.[/QUOTE]

I'm on Callaway pre-owned right now. These clubs have really held their value. Used versions are selling for $120. They have 15* 3 woods, but no strong 3's.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Steelhead + was a great club for me. I had the 3 wood and liked it so much I went to buy a matching driver. Cally had already come out with the Steelhead III and I figured 3 must be greater than +. Not for me. I hated that POS from the first swing to the last.[/QUOTE]

Well, back then Callaway's graphite shafts were pulled from old umbrellas. So it could have been the shaft. I always load a new 3 wood with the best stock shaft I can and then give it a try. Sometimes they work fine. But they're cheap with poor quality control so they're usually effed up and off spec.

If I wanted to change my driver or 3 wood today, I wouldn't change the head, I'd change the shaft.

Check out ebay auctions and stores. I've gotten many great deals on there. The diablo clubs are even cheaper on there I believe.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Well, back then Callaway's graphite shafts were pulled from old umbrellas. So it could have been the shaft. I always load a new 3 wood with the best stock shaft I can and then give it a try. Sometimes they work fine. But they're cheap with poor quality control so they're usually effed up and off spec.

If I wanted to change my driver or 3 wood today, I wouldn't change the head, I'd change the shaft.[/QUOTE]
Back in those days, I had no idea about shaft specs or anything. I was probably better off.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Back in those days, I had no idea about shaft specs or anything. I was probably better off.[/QUOTE]
I wonder at times whether exotic high price shafts are really any benefit to the average good golfer. Definately shafts do make a difference but I wonder if the cost is justified. I have hit shafts that don't agree with me ie. most Aldilas, but virtually every stock Fuji shaft I have used have been great. These stock shafts are often derided as being crap but the prove of the pudding is in the eating.
As you say you were probably better off when you just found a stock shaft by trial and error that fitted you.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]I wonder at times whether exotic high price shafts are really any benefit to the average good golfer. Definately shafts do make a difference but I wonder if the cost is justified. I have hit shafts that don't agree with me ie. most Aldilas, but virtually every stock Fuji shaft I have used have been great. These stock shafts are often derided as being crap but the prove of the pudding is in the eating.
As you say you were probably better off when you just found a stock shaft by trial and error that fitted you.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I strongly believe that the only people who buy these crazy exotics fall into one of two categories.
1. Golf nerds. These guys are Trekies in khaki pants. Socially awkward losers who think an extra 10 cpms or whatever are actually worth the $300 upgrade.
2. Ego punks. Slap a Voodoo paint job on their Aldila NV and they are just as happy.
It's pathetic when you think about it.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]To be honest, I strongly believe that the only people who buy these crazy exotics fall into one of two categories.
1. Golf nerds. These guys are Trekies in khaki pants. Socially awkward losers who think an extra 10 cpms or whatever are actually worth the $300 upgrade.
2. Ego punks. Slap a Voodoo paint job on their Aldila NV and they are just as happy.
It's pathetic when you think about it.[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to decide which I am. Can you give me another category, HB? I don't wear khaki pants and I'm so low on ego I'd go so far as to say I'm pretty incredible.

A couple of guys I play with frequently had stock Aldillas S shafts. They went to a reputable clubfitter who tested them. One was X overall. The other was R. But the characteristics of the tip weren't consistent with the overal flex pattern. Both were fitted with Speeders ($80 installed) and you should see these guys hit driver now. So custom shafts don't need to cost alot more money.

But there are many who have success with stock shafts. The reality is some turn out to spec while others don't. They cost the manufacturers about $15 a piece. They just aren't as high quality as custom so they're inconsistent. I always try the stock for a while with a new driver then switch. I've found a big difference.

I agree though the better golfer can adjust and make anything work. But the much higher quality of the tips on custom generally enable more aggressive swings with less dispersion/deformation. The higher capper, though, makes shi.ttier swings and benefits from more stability probably more than the better golfer.

I think custom shafts help better players more in irons while they help the average guy more in the driver.

Whatever the case may be, I prefer these days to keep the heads of my clubs and switch out the shafts when I want a change.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]I wonder at times whether exotic high price shafts are really any benefit to the average good golfer. Definately shafts do make a difference but I wonder if the cost is justified. I have hit shafts that don't agree with me ie. most Aldilas, but virtually every stock Fuji shaft I have used have been great. These stock shafts are often derided as being crap but the prove of the pudding is in the eating.
As you say you were probably better off when you just found a stock shaft by trial and error that fitted you.[/QUOTE]

That's good to hear from an equipment junkie like yourself. I've always just used the stock Fujikara shafts in my driver and fairway woods. Was thinking that maybe I should demo a better shaft but in reality these shafts work great when my swing is working. And an after market shaft won't work any better when my swing is off!

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'm trying to decide which I am. Can you give me another category, HB? I don't wear khaki pants and I'm so low on ego I'd go so far as to say I'm pretty incredible.

A couple of guys I play with frequently had stock Aldillas S shafts. They went to a reputable clubfitter who tested them. One was X overall. The other was R. But the characteristics of the tip weren't consistent with the overal flex pattern. Both were fitted with Speeders ($80 installed) and you should see these guys hit driver now. So custom shafts don't need to cost alot more money.

But there are many who have success with stock shafts. The reality is some turn out to spec while others don't. They cost the manufacturers about $15 a piece. They just aren't as high quality as custom so they're inconsistent. I always try the stock for a while with a new driver then switch. I've found a big difference.

I agree though the better golfer can adjust and make anything work. But the much higher quality of the tips on custom generally enable more aggressive swings with less dispersion/deformation. The higher capper, though, makes shi.ttier swings and benefits from more stability probably more than the better golfer.

I think custom shafts help better players more in irons while they help the average guy more in the driver.

Whatever the case may be, I prefer these days to keep the heads of my clubs and switch out the shafts when I want a change.[/QUOTE]
This is a clear case of category 1.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]This is a clear case of category 1.[/QUOTE]

I just re-read what I wrote and, yeah, looks like you're right.

By the way, what's cpms?

I have swapped out the stock crap shaft on every driver I've ever owned, and alwasy got better results with the new shaft. In my case I don't go for the over the top expensive upgrades, but I need a solid low torque shaft with a stiff tip to get good results. The only shafts I've used are UST Pro Force 75 stiff, Graf Blue Stiff, and more recently Pershing 75 stiff. IMO, these pgrades have been worthwhile and the results speak for themselves. I probably fall into category 2 as I'm far too cheap (and whipped) to be in category 1.

Wiggle, I think Kiwi gave you the best advice. The best thing about a new line of clubs coming out is the drop in price of the superceeded model. The G10 is an awesome club and probably the best driver I have ever hit. If they are going cheap I would suggest you get one of them, and forget about the new $500 club that is in all likelihood just a gimmick and inferior to the G10.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Ok, I just looked at the new Ping products. [B]It looks like they stole Titleist's current club sole design and cosmetics.[/B]
I'm thinking the guy that took the fall for Titleist's golf ball lawsuit with Callaway got hired by Ping.[/QUOTE]
Aint payback a bittch.

Titleist are an OEM who more or less built their 'tour preferred' reputation on the back of their association with a company that straight out stole their putter design from the original Ping Anser. Anything that Ping steals from them, they had coming.

I don't know, I am really enjoying my Diablo and the 3 wood. I know my swing isn't real powerful yet but I am able to fly this thing 250 with an easy smooth swing.
Besides, my poll proves that Callaway is an accepted GR product.
That debate is over!

HB real golf nerds do things like this:

[QUOTE]Wiggle, I think Kiwi gave you the best advice. The best thing about a new line of clubs coming out is the drop in price of the superceeded model.[/QUOTE]
+1 (or would that be +2 since I am the 2nd person to like this advice...its a tough call because NAH didn't use the +1)

[QUOTE=TexasJeff]I don't know, I am really enjoying my Diablo and the 3 wood. I know my swing isn't real powerful yet but I am able to fly this thing 250 with an easy smooth swing.
[B]Besides, my poll proves that Callaway is an accepted GR product[/B].
That debate is over![/QUOTE]


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Purist,

I take your labellng of me a golf nerd as a compliment, but unfortunately I'm not techno inclined enought to be a real golf nerd. I don't even know the amount of bounce on my gap wedge.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Purist,

I take your labellng of me a golf nerd as a compliment, but unfortunately I'm not techno inclined enought to be a real golf nerd. I don't even know the amount of bounce on my gap wedge.[/QUOTE]


Yeah!!

By the way, where is Nifty?

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Purist,

I take your labellng of me a golf nerd as a compliment, but unfortunately I'm not techno inclined enought to be a real golf nerd. [B]I don't even know the amount of bounce on my gap wedge.[/B][/QUOTE]

Bloody hell NAH, get a grip!
I can't believe a golfer with over 4000 posts on GR dosen't know the bounce on his gap wedge! What are you.. some sort of wierd ignoramus?
BTW I think standard bounce for a gap wedge is usually 8 degrees.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Bloody hell NAH, get a grip!
I can't believe a golfer with over 4000 posts on GR dosen't know the bounce on his gap wedge! What are you.. some sort of wierd ignoramus?
BTW I think standard bounce for a gap wedge is usually 8 degrees.[/QUOTE]
I've played with an almost no-bounce La Jolla wedge and it's the best wedge for me, get the ball up in the air very quickly. Last week I got my golf ball into a bunker next to a lip, my partner begged me to move it back since he does not think that I could clear that lip... I took my 52* wedge, choked it down and with my normal swing it cleared the lip and landed on the green 60 yds away, 10 ft from the pin and I felt like a pro... hahahaha

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Purist,

I take your labellng of me a golf nerd as a compliment, but unfortunately I'm not techno inclined enought to be a real golf nerd. I don't even know the amount of bounce on my gap wedge.[/QUOTE]

NAH,
You are no golf nerd. My post was confusing. I was trying to say that nerds take a statement they agree with and just post "+1", instead of just saying I agree.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Bloody hell NAH, get a grip!
I can't believe a golfer with over 4000 posts on GR dosen't know the bounce on his gap wedge! What are you.. some sort of wierd ignoramus?
BTW I think standard bounce for a gap wedge is usually 8 degrees.[/QUOTE]
I'll explain. I know what the supposed bounce is by the number on the bottom of the wedge, but I don't know the actual true bounce. I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of tolerance range for what is labelled, but I've never bothered getting it measured. Personally I think I'd suck with the wedges regardless of bounce and loft. I just don't have a sharp short game.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I'll explain. I know what the supposed bounce is by the number on the bottom of the wedge, but I don't know the actual true bounce. I'm pretty sure there would be some sort of tolerance range for what is labelled, but I've never bothered getting it measured. Personally I think I'd suck with the wedges regardless of bounce and loft. I just don't have a sharp short game.[/QUOTE]

No need to explain NAH, just having a bit of fun.
On the goat track you play you probably want less bounce on your wedges. Especially in summer. Off firm tight lies digging isn't an issue but a nice flat leading edge is a big help.
even if your short game is not that sharp it is hard to improve if you don't have the right tools.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]On the goat track you play you probably want less bounce on your wedges. Especially in summer. [B][I]Off firm tight lies digging isn't an issue but a nice flat leading edge is a big help.[/I][/B]
even if your short game is not that sharp it is hard to improve if you don't have the right tools.[/QUOTE]

This is the reason I lost confidence in my Cleveland 588 56* sand wedge. It has 14* of bounce and is great of fluffy grassy lies. But one of the golf courses I play regularly gets dry as a bone and rock hard in summer and trying to hit delicate pitch shots off that kind of lie is tough with that much bounce. My 58* has 9* bounce and is much more suitable.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]This is the reason I lost confidence in my Cleveland 588 56* sand wedge. It has 14* of bounce and is great of fluffy grassy lies. But one of the golf courses I play regularly gets dry as a bone and rock hard in summer and trying to hit delicate pitch shots off that kind of lie is tough with that much bounce. My 58* has 9* bounce and is much more suitable.[/QUOTE]
14 degrees is pretty much a specialist sand wedge as far as I'm concerned. Even the appropriate bounce on a specialist sand wedge varies depending on the type of sand in the bunkers. I've been playing a 60 degree lately (not out of bunkers) it has 6 degrees of bounce and is great off tight lies. It's ok off fluffy lies too as long as you watch you don't go right under the ball.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]14 degrees is pretty much a specialist sand wedge as far as I'm concerned. Even the appropriate bounce on a specialist sand wedge varies depending on the type of sand in the bunkers. I've been playing a 60 degree lately (not out of bunkers) it has 6 degrees of bounce and is great off tight lies. It's ok off fluffy lies too as long as you watch you don't go right under the ball.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I used to play the 56/14* with a 588 60* wedge with 3 degrees of bounce. Great off tight lies too but off soft fluffy lies I would have the same problem of flubbing the ball after sliding right under it. I find 8-10* bounce much more versatile. The 14* was also hopeless in wet tightly packed sand which is often the case in winter or in bunkers that haven't been adequately maintained and there's not lot of depth to the sand.

I'm glad I got the G10. That G15 looks fukking horrible.