Impact...

thought this might be a cool idea...

let's do a thread of impact positions/impact sequences, it might be kinda cool... just take a still image from a video or whatever and post it, or if you want post a sequence...

i'll go first i guess... since it was my idea...

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My cell phone is in my left pocket, I think my left leg is a little straighter than the trousers suggest...

The hands ahead of the ball and nearly full weight shift spell fairly to very consistent ball striking for both of you. Nice to see! The only video I have (not stills) is from a year ago. But you can see from it that my hips are almost 100% cleared before the club reaches impact. That's how I generate my massive clubhead speed...fast hips.

[QUOTE=collegegolfer]The hands ahead of the ball and nearly full weight shift spell fairly to very consistent ball striking for both of you. Nice to see! The only video I have (not stills) is from a year ago. But you can see from it that my hips are almost 100% cleared before the club reaches impact. That's how I generate my massive clubhead speed...fast hips.[/QUOTE]

Where's the pic? put it up here....

Oh, and thank you as well...

[QUOTE=pingman360]i'll go first i guess... since it was my idea...

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Great width.
I imagine Lary will post some Shawn Clement swing video on how to transfer you weight properly. You obviously have problems with this because your back foot is nearly flat on the ground at impact. LOL.

Pingman, fantastic idea for a thread, nice hand positions and release. Excited to see what other people post.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Great width.
I imagine Lary will post some Shawn Clement swing video on how to transfer you weight properly. You obviously have problems with this because your back foot is nearly flat on the ground at impact. LOL.[/QUOTE]


haha... i'll be ready if he tries there's a reason for that component... he's clueless about it though...

This is old. The impact was good, but the swing was too flat with too much movement. I love how quiet Pingman's swing is from start to finish.

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Oh hell Big D is not a S&Ter. This must be corrected for him to have a chance to play golf well!

I would love to give stack and tilt a try, but I've got this naturally ingrained aversion to a reverse pivot.

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[QUOTE=Horseballs]I would love to give stack and tilt a try, but I've got this naturally ingrained aversion to a reverse pivot.[/QUOTE]

good news for you SnT is in now way a reverse pivot... it has never been said that the head should ever move in front of the golf all..

This is the only one I have. It's fairly old.

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[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]This is the only one I have. It's fairly old.

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Punch shot, Ty? That divot is off your right heel unless it's some crazy camera angle.

[QUOTE=pingman360]i'll go first i guess... since it was my idea...

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LATE! Notice that good players have started their shift to the lead leg AS they make their backswing, actually about as their hand pass waist high, they are already posted.

See my web site [url]http://www.pivotforpower.com[/url] and look at the photos of a dozen top pros. They are full posted BEFORE impact, their hips are leading their shoulders, and at impact they could pick up their back foot. Player and others could step over through impact.





Larry

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Punch shot, Ty? That divot is off your right heel unless it's some crazy camera angle.[/QUOTE]

I think it's a combination of the two. The guy taking the picture was ahead of me and I was I think playing a punch shot. It was definitely into the wind, so at the least I would have been trying to keep it down.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]LATE! Notice that good players have started their shift to the lead leg AS they make their backswing, actually about as their hand pass waist high, they are already posted.

See my web site [url]http://www.pivotforpower.com[/url] and look at the photos of a dozen top pros. They are full posted BEFORE impact, their hips are leading their shoulders, and at impact they could pick up their back foot. Player and others could step over through impact.





Larry[/QUOTE]

Gee who do I believe? :confused:

A PGA Pro like Pingman or a confirmed crackpot like Lorryrfs?

It's a tough one.

Jetdriver will no doubt agree with Lorrie.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]LATE! Notice that good players have started their shift to the lead leg AS they make their backswing, actually about as their hand pass waist high, they are already posted.

See my web site [url]http://www.pivotforpower.com[/url] and look at the photos of a dozen top pros. They are full posted BEFORE impact, their hips are leading their shoulders, and at impact they could pick up their back foot. Player and others could step over through impact.





Larry[/QUOTE]

i have been on the plates that measure the wieght throughout the entire swing (cannot for some reason remember their name) setup is 60-40 favoring left, top of backswing is pretty much the same, impact 80-20 left, finish 95-5 left...so........ late?????? i think not...


HEY LISTEN UP... the right heel remains down while the foot banks in on it's side to allow for the right amount of hip slide (linear) and less rotation... if the left knee kicks in the head will tip backwards, if this happens the low point will also be shifted behind the ball because as i'm sure you know (sarcasm) the low point in the golf swing is outside the left shoulder... now the golf swing utilizes 2 COGs (well 3 but for simplicity sake we describe it in 2)... at impact the lower COG must be forward if we allow the pressure points in the right foot to be lost too soon, then the lower COG cannot move forward quickly enough to establish 2nd axis tilt... without 2nd axis tilt the club would be traveling at too steep an angle for us to control, and we would shorten the radius from the left shoulder to sweetspot to compromise... this is obviously not optimal...

if i was "late" then #2 would be let out earlier (angle from the lead arm to the shaft) to try to hit the ball, also if this were to happen i would hit the ball with thowaway unless i short arced it then my elbows would separate... P6 should occur when the left hand is at the middle of the right thigh, and as you can see it does... we measure hip slide in the amount the left knee moves toward the target as well (well it give a good indication at least)... if the legwork is done right the pressure points will actually cause the right foot to finish on plane (i know it sounds crazy but it does...)

this is not a good video of my swing, but it's the only one from caddie view from today...

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this is ok... not happy with the DTL (WAAAAAY too CF)

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and this one just cause i think it's sexy... haha jk... but for real... lol...

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bottom line STFU you have no clue...


what about charlie look at his right foot flat and banking in on it's side, now he does get his hips more forward than i do, and i would love to get more 2nd axis but to say i'm late is pretty absurd... my hips don't slide forward enough cause my upper COG move too far forward at the top of the backswing to attempt to move them forward, it does this due to the face that on my backswing my right hip doesn't travel higher but turns somewhat level... this is the next thing i will add in, after i ingrain the other 6 swing thoughts i have now (no exageration i really do have 6 things i'm working on...)

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[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]This is the only one I have. It's fairly old.

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man i like a lot of that... it looks good...

Wow this motivates me to get a better camera to get these awesome pics. My impact position does not show my hips open enough (30% open correct?). I have a lot to work on... I am now very satisfied with my swing or my game right now..I suck.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Gee who do I believe? :confused:

A PGA Pro like Pingman or a confirmed crackpot like Lorryrfs?

It's a tough one.

Jetdriver will no doubt agree with Lorrie.[/QUOTE]

I have learned that those who are late are usually also in denial. They see themselves late, they see the poor divot, they know they decelerated, but they make excuses. All they have to do is start their post move SOONER in their backswing. It is not really "turn, post, swing." but turn and post, and then swing.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inC8gkGcBtg&NR=1[/url]

Watch Hogan. Notice how early in the backswing he starts his post move to the left leg, his backswing is part of his downswing, one continuous movement. This super transition weight shift move was the difference between Hogan and all the rest of his time (and of all time).

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I have learned that those who are late are usually also in denial. They see themselves late, they see the poor divot, they know they decelerated, but they make excuses. All they have to do is start their post move SOONER in their backswing.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Larry, just look at the videos...

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]I have learned that those who are late are usually also in denial. They see themselves late, they see the poor divot, they know they decelerated, but they make excuses. All they have to do is start their post move SOONER in their backswing.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Larry, why does everyone pick on you? Is it because you try too hard to market your stuff? Maybe you are wrong or its not the only way to do it? I went to the BMW championship this year not not one player had the same exact contact position of the same swing all together. I noticed that Tiger's swing isnt that good.... Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong that everyone has a different way of getting a shot onto the fairway then the green?

[QUOTE=pingman360]man i like a lot of that... it looks good...[/QUOTE]

Thank you sir. I was quite good when that picture was taken. Got a lot worse and now am heading back in the right direction. At the time, the only thing I was thinking about was keeping my head still and it worked great with everything but driver. Driver went wild. Then I got a lesson and the guy told me to let my head move back on my backswing, so I did and my driver got better, but everything else got worse. Now trying to get back into the head still thing.

[QUOTE=qtong]Larry, why does everyone pick on you? Is it because you try too hard to market your stuff? Maybe you are wrong or its not the only way to do it? I went to the BMW championship this year not not one player had the same exact contact position of the same swing all together. I noticed that Tiger's swing isnt that good.... Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong that everyone has a different way of getting a shot onto the fairway then the green?[/QUOTE]

the ONE mistake 99% of amateurs share is LATE. The primary reason they hack is their failure to get posted before impact. The primary reason some golfer move up to +++handicap is that they learn to do that. I am simply quoting TPI.

SOOOO, most amateurs should endeavor to solve that and the world of low handicap golf opens! Learn to get yourself posted before impact and hit the ball straight and long without hand action.... Then it is just chipping and putting....

Or, continue to make excuses and rationalize.

Larry

[QUOTE=qtong]Larry, why does everyone pick on you? Is it because you try too hard to market your stuff? Maybe you are wrong or its not the only way to do it? I went to the BMW championship this year not not one player had the same exact contact position of the same swing all together. I noticed that Tiger's swing isnt that good.... Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong that everyone has a different way of getting a shot onto the fairway then the green?[/QUOTE]

qtong,

Larry is not here to learn anything. Nor is he here to help anyone else. His sole purpose is to start arguments. He likes it more when he discusses something with someone who knows what they're talking about, because they get angrier with his claptrap. That enables him to wind them up further. I must admit that I had thought internet trolling was the sole preserve of young boys who were unable to make normal friends and instead had to resort to feeling better about themselves by causing trouble. I think they feel the need to be the centre of attention. Larry has convinced me that it is not only young boys that do it.

The best way to deal with him if you want a serious thread is just to ignore him. Here, serious topics are rarely considered of much importance (which is a shame in some ways, because this could be one). So instead of ignoring him, most people realise exactly what he's doing and bait him instead. In the right threads, it's quite good fun.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]the ONE mistake 99% of amateurs share is LATE. The primary reason they hack is their failure to get posted before impact. The primary reason some golfer move up to +++handicap is that they learn to do that. I am simply quoting TPI.

SOOOO, most amateurs should endeavor to solve that and the world of low handicap golf opens! Learn to get yourself posted before impact and hit the ball straight and long without hand action.... Then it is just chipping and putting....

Or, continue to make excuses and rationalize.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Well all I am saying most pros have different impact positions. Not everyone is the same. Mcilroy had his body 70% open on impact where other players might have 30% or even 10%. I'm sure you would agree that each player is going to have is own style that works. I know I am less than 30% just because I am trying to make the ball to go straight vs getting extra yards because it is working for me. Same with a lot of pro players. Is that wrong?

[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]qtong,

Larry is not here to learn anything. Nor is he here to help anyone else. His sole purpose is to start arguments. He likes it more when he discusses something with someone who knows what they're talking about, because they get angrier with his claptrap. That enables him to wind them up further. I must admit that I had thought internet trolling was the sole preserve of young boys who were unable to make normal friends and instead had to resort to feeling better about themselves by causing trouble. I think they feel the need to be the centre of attention. Larry has convinced me that it is not only young boys that do it.

The best way to deal with him if you want a serious thread is just to ignore him. Here, serious topics are rarely considered of much importance (which is a shame in some ways, because this could be one). So instead of ignoring him, most people realise exactly what he's doing and bait him instead. In the right threads, it's quite good fun.[/QUOTE]
Ty, good call, I just feel that he would be misleading people. But you must agree with me that not everyone plays the same way. That what makes golf a great game. IF we had people like Larry telling Nicklaus or Ballasteros to fix their stuff then they would not be nearly as great.

[QUOTE=qtong]Ty, good call, I just feel that he would be misleading people. But you must agree with me that not everyone plays the same way. That what makes golf a great game. IF we had people like Larry telling Nicklaus or Ballasteros to fix their stuff then they would not be nearly as great.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I think part of the reason Larry is so successful is that he posts his stuff in a way that to the beginner or developing golfer sounds like it might be legit. Then, those of us who care about the game and don't want potential new players to be disillusioned because they listen to what Larry says, have to debunk it. So threads degenerate into Larry slanging against people who know what they're talking about. There have been a few forums where high quality teaching pros left because they couldn't get a thread going without Larry burning it.

I think one of the saddest things is that he'll probably read this post and look back on those occasions with a tinge of pride. Personally I don't know what makes someone like him tick. He must not have been hugged by his mother very often.

[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]Absolutely. I think part of the reason Larry is so successful is that he posts his stuff in a way that to the beginner or developing golfer sounds like it might be legit. Then, those of us who care about the game and don't want potential new players to be disillusioned because they listen to what Larry says, have to debunk it. So threads degenerate into Larry slanging against people who know what they're talking about. There have been a few forums where high quality teaching pros left because they couldn't get a thread going without Larry burning it.

I think one of the saddest things is that he'll probably read this post and look back on those occasions with a tinge of pride. Personally I don't know what makes someone like him tick. He must not have been hugged by his mother very often.[/QUOTE]
Larry probably got beat by his stepfather

[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]Absolutely. I think part of the reason Larry is so successful is that he posts his stuff in a way that to the beginner or developing golfer sounds like it might be legit. Then, those of us who care about the game and don't want potential new players to be disillusioned because they listen to what Larry says, have to debunk it. So threads degenerate into Larry slanging against people who know what they're talking about. [B]There have been a few forums where high quality teaching pros left because they couldn't get a thread going without Larry burning it[/B].

I think one of the saddest things is that he'll probably read this post and look back on those occasions with a tinge of pride. Personally I don't know what makes someone like him tick. He must not have been hugged by his mother very often.[/QUOTE]
I think on GR this would happen a lot. And it's not solely Larry to blame. Flaming and trolling are the two basic tenets upon which this forum is built.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I think on GR this would happen a lot. And it's not solely Larry to blame. Flaming and trolling are the two basic tenets upon which this forum is built.[/QUOTE]
Well at least he isn't trying to advertising anything like those other douchebags... oh wait... he does..

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I think on GR this would happen a lot. And it's not solely Larry to blame. Flaming and trolling are the two basic tenets upon which this forum is built.[/QUOTE]

Yep, exactly, which is why here Larry gets ripped up whereas at other places, people get angry with him. I don't think he makes people angry here. I think they look at him like a cat looks at a mouse. Something to play with.

[QUOTE=Ty_Webb]Yep, exactly, which is why here Larry gets ripped up whereas at other places, people get angry with him. I don't think he makes people angry here. I think they look at him like a cat looks at a mouse. Something to play with.[/QUOTE]
A forum like GR definitely needs a whipping boy. Others like SBD1 and Pro Status have came and went, but Larry endures. His tolerance of being the object of ridicule is astonishing.

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[QUOTE=Steelman]Oh hell Big D is not a S&Ter. This must be corrected for him to have a chance to play golf well![/QUOTE]

Tack and Stilt would put me in hospital. :-)

I use that type swing you are dipicting in the photos, when its real windy or when me need to sting a mid to low iron shot, meaning 6 iron down to PW

[QUOTE=GolfEpisode]I use that type swing you are dipicting in the photos, when its real windy or when me need to sting a mid to low iron shot, meaning 6 iron down to PW[/QUOTE]

idk about others but mine's a normal trajectory... which for me is mid-low

[QUOTE=pingman360]idk about others but mine's a normal trajectory... which for me is mid-low[/QUOTE]
Then me see you like or favor playing Links style courses. Mid to low trajectory would only work with your wedges or maybe 8-9 irons at mostly all the courses I play. You gotta hit em high and boring or the balls in a bunker or over the green rolling off into the ocean or cliff that no man would ever find you again if you tried to find it.

[QUOTE=GolfEpisode]Then me see you like or favor playing Links style courses. Mid to low trajectory would only work with your wedges or maybe 8-9 irons at mostly all the courses I play. You gotta hit em high and boring or the balls in a bunker or over the green rolling off into the ocean or cliff that no man would ever find you again if you tried to find it.[/QUOTE]

nah... 6i goes 185 and stops on a dime, just cause it's low doesn't mean A: they don't spin, or B: i CAN'T hit it high...

i just like a low trajectory, i CAN hit moonballs if i need, just like a low trajectory... courses around here, and in the tournaments i play can be either straight up hill and then you need to hit it high, but too fast and hard aren't a problem if you compress a shot of ANY trajectory you can get it to spin....

I was trying to get a good impact shot but had no one to take pics so there was a lot of push button, run to ball, wait till 1 second left and start swinging. One other shot that came out neat was when the ball was on a dirt lie. Dirt went flying all over in a nice powder

[QUOTE=qtong]Well all I am saying most pros have different impact positions. Not everyone is the same. [B]Mcilroy had his body 70% open on impact where other players might have 30% or even 10%[/B]. [/QUOTE]

Furyk is open 110% at impact. He opens his hips up so early, his lower body has finished the swing while he's still driving to the course. By impact, his lower body has already walked in and is having a beer in the bar.

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Holy smoke look at the size of that frikin palate of sod . I think they will need to label that tee box Ground Under Repair with a free drop. You might need a rope to climb out of that Divot.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0AhnoESBRg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0AhnoESBRg[/URL]

the swing

[QUOTE=GolfEpisode]Holy smoke look at the size of that frikin palate of sod . I think they will need to label that tee box Ground Under Repair with a free drop. You might need a rope to climb out of that Divot.[/QUOTE]

That spot in particular was a lot more wet than the rest of the course was. Ball went its normal distance with that club so it wasn't even heavy, just a lot softer ground. The rest of the day I had much smaller clumps of grass go flying