People, For The Love Of God!!!!

PLEASE STOP USING THAT LITTLE LINE ON YOUR GOLF BALL TO LINE UP YOUR PUTTS!!!!!! IT ISN'T HELPING, AND YOU AREN'T PLAYING IN THE US OPEN. YOU ARE SO FCUKING SLOW!!! READ THE PUTT, PUT YOUR DANM BALL DOWN AND PUTT THE FREAKING THING!!!! DO YOU ENJOY 6 HOUR ROUNDS???

ahhh, i feel better. thank you.

lol, i know how u feel... six hours is considered a "slow" round, not really slow, not long as hell, just slow. in my tourneys... im willing to bet theres at least half our feilds using that little line.... i have the line on my ball, but not to line it up, i line it on the empty side for zero distractions, and i use the line to tell how well my ball is rolling, since its straight in line with where i hit it.

Bad day Llyod? Holiday golf can suck. I teed off at 8am this morning & finished up at 12:15. :thumbsup:

your on holiday??? wat holiday?!?!? musta missed out on somethin cause i had skool today....

[QUOTE=Schrup]Bad day Llyod? Holiday golf can suck. I teed off at 8am this morning & finished up at 12:15. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

dude, I don't know who started this method of lining up putts, but if I ever meet him on a golf course, I plan on taking a huge dump right in his golf bag.

[QUOTE=Sandpiper6]your on holiday??? wat holiday?!?!? musta missed out on somethin cause i had skool today....[/QUOTE]

Memorial Day. Also known as "6-hour Round Day."

I mark my ball with a red line, mostly so I can distinguish it from others. Also I now have the right to assault any ballhawk who picks it up. :D I hate that crap when there is a foursome ahead that they all have to mark their balls after every goddamn putt, take 5 minutes and then do it all over again. I take my read, 2 or 3 quick strokes and putt it. I do however lift the ball a) to check for mud or a lot of dirt on one side b) the other day I was in my own pitchmark and didn't even realize it. That led to a 3 putt after a GIR on a par 3. :mad:

Course was empty for me. I showed up as a single around 1:30pm and flew around in 31/2 hrs.

I'd venture a guess that the problem is not from people lining up putts, but from the people who run the course overbooking & not using marshals to push people around. If it took me 3 hours to turn the corner, I'd go into the clubhouse & demand a raincheck for the back.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Step 1 - mark ball.
Step 2 - clean ball.
Step 3 - read putt from behind.
Step 4 - walk up to about 3 feet from hole, along line of putt, and take a practice stroke with one hand (a la Tiger)
Step 5 - spend 15 seconds getting the little line on your ball placed juuuuuuuuuuust right.
Step 6 - take a practice stroke.
Step 7 - decide that you don't like how your little line looks, so back off the putt, and readjust it for another 10 seconds.
Step 8 - of course, another practice stroke, to get your tempo back.
Step 9 - one last look at the hole.
Step 10 - leave your 20 foot par putt 6.5 feet short.

....now multiply times 18.

No line for me, I don't even use the logo or name. I also prefer a clean look from above. I DO sometimes freeze over my putt for up to 7 seconds, which seems like forever when I make sure of all my check points on a putt that I'm nervous with. That 7 seconds sure does add up boy howdy! I apologize to anyone who has ever been behind me =)

[QUOTE=neverman]I DO sometimes freeze over my putt for up to 7 seconds, which seems like forever when I make sure of all my check points on a putt that I'm nervous with. That 7 seconds sure does add up boy howdy! I apologize to anyone who has ever been behind me =)[/QUOTE]

There is no way standing over a ball that long is helping you. Only one guy ever did that with success, and his name is Jack Nicklaus. Unless you're him, hit the danm putt already.

Lloyd,I gotta admit,I didn't get you at first.The more I hear you,the more sense you make.You are so right about this.What really bugs me is when you see the group ahead hacking it around the hole then line up those 3 footers for double,or triple or whatever.Another thing--twilight golf.Lets try to get as many holes in as possible-not line up bogey putts on dewey greens-come on!Putt it and MOVE ON!

[quote=Lloyd_Christmas3]PLEASE STOP USING THAT LITTLE LINE ON YOUR GOLF BALL TO LINE UP YOUR PUTTS!!!!!! IT ISN'T HELPING, AND YOU AREN'T PLAYING IN THE US OPEN. YOU ARE SO FCUKING SLOW!!! READ THE PUTT, PUT YOUR DANM BALL DOWN AND PUTT THE FREAKING THING!!!! DO YOU ENJOY 6 HOUR ROUNDS???

ahhh, i feel better. thank you.[/quote]

I guess I'm in the minority here since I draw a line on my ball and line up my putts. If Golfer A in my foursome is putting first, Golfer B, Golfer C, and myself would have already done our reading, lined up our putts, and wait until it is our turn to address the ball. There is no waiting for Golfer A to putt first THEN having everyone take turn to do their own putting routine.

The same goes for hitting balls from the tee and the fairway. THIS IS CALL PLAYING [B]READY GOLF[/B] AND 90% OF THE GOLFING POPULATION ARE NOT DOING THIS.

How many if you stare at your partner's routine when you should already be doing your own routine near your ball?

[QUOTE=honorerdieu]I guess I'm in the minority here since I draw a line on my ball and line up my putts. If Golfer A in my foursome is putting first, Golfer B, Golfer C, and myself would have already done our reading, lined up our putts, and wait until it is our turn to address the ball. There is no waiting for Golfer A to putt first THEN having everyone take turn to do their own putting routine.

The same goes for hitting balls from the tee and the fairway. THIS IS CALL PLAYING [B]READY GOLF[/B] AND 90% OF THE GOLFING POPULATION ARE NOT DOING THIS.

How many if you stare at your partner's routine when you should already be doing your own routine near your ball?[/QUOTE]

Uh, this is true for everyone's FIRST PUTT. However, assuming you don't just leave your ball sitting there 4 feet away from the hole while everyone else putts, you've got to go through your freaking "line-em-up" routine again when its your turn again.

Please, Tiger, just put your ball down and putt it.

haha I use a line around my ball to line up my putts. Sorry to everyone playing behind me but my routine is pretty close to the one lloyd describes. Sometimes I take a practice putt from a random angle a la mickelson too. but yeah I do try to have everything lined up by the time its my turn so I can just stroke the putt.

But I neeeeeeed my 7 seconds on a few holes per round. I've sought therapy and it hasn't helped. Last time I "just hit my putt" there was a tsunami in Singapore or some crap. have some compassion for the rest of the world.

If I rush bad things happen, very bad things.

[quote=Lloyd_Christmas3]Uh, this is true for everyone's FIRST PUTT. However, assuming you don't just leave your ball sitting there 4 feet away from the hole while everyone else putts, you've got to go through your freaking "line-em-up" routine again when its your turn again.

Please, Tiger, just put your ball down and putt it.[/quote]

We can debate on this all night but I don't have the time to convince you that my putting routine doesn't interfere with the pace of play on the course. I can't control how others conduct their putting routine or ready golf, but I can only control my putting routine. I just read the break, line up my ball and putt. There are no practice swings or stepping away from the ball in the middle of address a-la Jim Furyk.

I can probably do my regular putting routine just about or under the length of time it takes for you to get ready before firing that putter of yours.

I have a line on my 2-Ball and I line that up with the manufacturer's name. I never take it to extreme's to line it correctly. BTW, with me I feel it saves time as I make a lot more putts like this. Also a quick round is 3 hours, 3 1/2 is what is expected (except on resort courses)

BTW, Tiger Woods take approximately 18.2 seconds in his routine before stroking his putter. It takes less time for me to putt.

Now, amateurs who don't bother reading putts or checking their alignment, they usually misfire the putt by sending the ball across the other side of the green. Hell, sometimes even off the green. How about not calculating the distance required to putt a ball uphill to the 2nd tier of the green? Oops, the amateur didn't putt hard enough to get the ball uphill. 3-putts, 4-putts, 5-putts.

Moral of the story is, there is a good balance between putting immediately and putting some effort into your routine.

[QUOTE=honorerdieu]I guess I'm in the minority here since I draw a line on my ball and line up my putts. If Golfer A in my foursome is putting first, Golfer B, Golfer C, and myself would have already done our reading, lined up our putts, and wait until it is our turn to address the ball. There is no waiting for Golfer A to putt first THEN having everyone take turn to do their own putting routine.

The same goes for hitting balls from the tee and the fairway. THIS IS CALL PLAYING [B]READY GOLF[/B] AND 90% OF THE GOLFING POPULATION ARE NOT DOING THIS.

How many if you stare at your partner's routine when you should already be doing your own routine near your ball?[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. I also feel its more about people being ready. I have played a few rounds recently where people don’t start studying their shot until your shot has come to a standstill. If people started deciding what shot to hit as they approached their ball, and started their routines as soon as others have hit, a massive amount of time would be saved.

Criticising routines if difficult as it is important and magazines/teachers are constantly telling us to do it, but yes some take it to the extreme. I used to use a line on the ball but find that I putt better without it, that’s just my preference.

I personally think that anywhere around 3 - 4.5 hours for a round (1 to 4 players) is fine. I don’t know about most people but I play golf for enjoyment and also to try and score as best I can on any given day. Although I don’t agree with unnecessary slow play, I don’t want to be rushing between balls, grabbing a club - Whack, and chasing after it just to get around in 3 hours, that’s not what its about.

Piss in his water bottle for me as well.I hate hate hate waiting 150 or so out for eternity just to finish the hole out then to find buddy has a five minute club waggle off the box as well.
That is why walking is best.Most of the time by the time you've approached the green grabbed your putter and walked up to the ball the putt should be 90% done.Quick read(on most greens) then putt.

Also you have to consider the level of the player. I avg. just under 2putts per green. I may take a few extra seconds but I almost always knock it down in 2 or less.I also don't go crazy on 15+footers, I'm only looking to lag most of the time. A high percentage of the second putts are tap ins, which I usually either pick up or knock in left-handed. I played with a guy who was like a 3-4 handicap about a month ago and he drove me nuts. He not only took forever putting but wanted me to mark every goddam time, even when the ball was like 10+feet outside his line. On a par 5 he hit a 3iron short but took 20+ swings then grabbed a 2i, 20swings, then back to the 3i for 10more and then hit. I was nearly ready to just go on ahead but fortunately he was only playing the front 9.

i think that as long as i dont hold anyone up that i am entitled to do what ever on the greens i want to i dont ever hold anyone up and if they are playing faster then i let them play through. i do play fast though and usualy i am the one that has to play through (it takes me an average of around 3-3.5hrs) as long as a dont take 6-7min to line up my putt i will continue to use the logo to line it up.

If everyone played ready golf, rounds wouldn't take forever and a day. I can deal with a 4 hour round and in my neck of the woods, that's a good day. Often it takes 5-6 hours to play. Many courses do not space out tee times and cram people on the course, but often even this could be overcome if folks played ready golf.

Size up your situation, club selection, etc. as you arrive to your ball and especially while the others in your group are hitting. When it's time for you to go, pull the trigger! Nothing worse than watching someone practice swing 10 times, line up a 4 footer or stand in the fairway from 250+ waiting for the green to clear because they are going to hit the shot of their life and put it on in 2, only to duff it 5 feet or blow it by the hole...for double or triple. Know your game and its limitations and play accordingly.

Routines are important, but it shouldn't slow pace of play. And if you don't regularly hit a fairway wood 230-250, then lay up already! Hot, humid and 95 in the shade isn't the time to see if you can hit a miracle. Just my 2 cents.

I have no problem with the line er uppers out there. As long as they do it fairly quickly, and dont do it on 2 footers I am fine with it.

I do have a beef with the guys who bend down for 10 seconds reading the break, plumb bob a bit (even though they have no idea what it does), then parade to the other side of the hole and do it all again. Then saunder to the hole doing the Tiger one handed crap, then get back to their ball, take 4-5 parctice strokes and still end up missing their putt for 8. They then bend down again, mark their ball, clean it, place it and tap in for 9. The only cure for this is a shot gun.

[QUOTE=LyleG]plumb bob a bit (even though they have no idea what it does[/QUOTE]

If this is referring to when players put the club up to line up they're eye to the hole...what the hell does that do?? how can it help you?? what are you suppose to be looking for when you do it?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Reyes463]If this is referring to when players put the club up to line up they're eye to the hole...what the hell does that do?? how can it help you?? what are you suppose to be looking for when you do it?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

This technique is old and is normally used when you think a putt is dead straight (no such thing :p ) to find out which way the putt will break. From my understanding, you hold the putter straight up and down behind your ball and then look with your dominant eye and see which side of the shaft the hole is on giving you the break. Does that sound about right?

IMO players using a logo or drawn line to line up their putts could not possibly have a significant impact on pace of play. How long does it take to place your ball on the green lined up as oppossed to randomly? Maybe 3 extra seconds? If anything I would think it would help the pace by helping those use that common sense technique make a better first putt.

Plumb bobbing.
Walking off putts.
Drawing lines on golf balls.
Using spinning devices for your golf ball.
Painting your Mother-in-Law's face on your driver.
Using a sextant to align your approach shots according to the sun's position in the sky.

All of these tactics are just distractions in my humble opinion. I have tried them all, and none seem to do a thing except increase my anxiety.

Just a thought.

[QUOTE=SeldomInTheSlot] How long does it take to place your ball on the green lined up as oppossed to randomly? Maybe 3 extra seconds?[/QUOTE]

Please take my word for it that some take FAR FAR longer than this...

What drives me crazy is the guy that takes 10 - 15 practice swings for every shot. Then proceeds to hit a horrible shot and tell you he NEVER plays this bad!

My solution is to get everyone out of the carts and walking. A lot of folks I see playing would have trouble making 9 holes if they had to walk; the course would be clear in no time, excluding the ambulances and paramedics, of course.

As hot as it is here right now, all I can think about is play fast so I can get back into air conditioning. :)

lines make rounds slower and i dont see how they help much, atleast they dont do it for me...

The thing is. If you cant line up your putt by just standing over it what the fuK makes you think the line will help.

my 2 cents. I use the line. My putting has improved, especially between 6 to 8 feet. 8 times out of ten, I'll hole it. So, I'll keep to it, especially when money is at stake.

imo, its not the line. its the routine. there are golfers that don't have a line on the ball and take equally as long, or even longer. if your routine is already 3 minutes long, it doesn't matter if you use the line.

So i'll say yes to ready golf and compact routines and letting people play through. But I also agree with the gentleman that said that running around to end 18 holes in under 3 hours is not for him (or something to that effect). Its supposed to be enjoyable. Sure, I'll be cursing if my round takes 6.5 hours because of the 4-some in front. But I want to enjoy my game as well.

Cheers.

I just play early. 6:30 on memorial day. 6:00 am this sunday. 3:15 rounds are great and no rush.

I use the line, and I don't take too long of a time to putt. I think some people in this thread need to relax and realize that you're supposed to enjoy the round, not just get your panties up in a bunch about waiting an extra couple seconds in the fairway.

If you really want to speed things up, don't stop and stand in a horizontal line once you reach the fairway and wait for the shortest hitter to hit, then proceed to the next ball. If your playing partner is on the short right, you don't have to stop, just go up the fairway to your ball on the left.

Or you can stop driving your golf carts across the fairway four times per shot.

Or you can play ready golf and don't worry about "honors."

Or you can just enjoy the game and realize that putting a line on your ball and lining up the putt doesn't take NEARLY as long as Lloyd makes it seem.

I agree with nik. I use a line on 6-12 foot puts and it has improved my putting. I also play ready golf and I am usually over the ball and ready to put while the previous player is putting out.

Beside I am very conscience about my pace of play. If I am not up on the group in front of me I will quicken my pace of play off the tee, through the green, and on the green.

What I find more annoying is someone looking for a lost ball 30 yards in front of the tee for five minutes or 6 strokes in a bunker followed by rake, rake, rake, rake. If you can’t hit it out of the trap in two, possibly three, pick the damn thing up and throw it out.

[QUOTE=bethpage caddy]I use the line, and I don't take too long of a time to putt. I think some people in this thread need to relax and realize that you're supposed to enjoy the round, not just get your panties up in a bunch about waiting an extra couple seconds in the fairway.

If you really want to speed things up, don't stop and stand in a horizontal line once you reach the fairway and wait for the shortest hitter to hit, then proceed to the next ball. If your playing partner is on the short right, you don't have to stop, just go up the fairway to your ball on the left.

Or you can stop driving your golf carts across the fairway four times per shot.

Or you can play ready golf and don't worry about "honors."

Or you can just enjoy the game and realize that putting a line on your ball and lining up the putt doesn't take NEARLY as long as Lloyd makes it seem.[/QUOTE]

Wow, BPC, you sure are smart!!! You know how long it takes for people THAT I PLAY WITH to get their little lines settled just right. That is impressive, since you're not the one sitting there watching them. But, after all, you are a high school kid that caddies during the summer, so who am I to question you?

I would have bet my life that you were a line user, and it turns out that you are. Please tell Camillo hello from the rest of us!!

[QUOTE=nik.hisham]my 2 cents. I use the line. My putting has improved, especially between 6 to 8 feet. 8 times out of ten, I'll hole it. So, I'll keep to it, especially when money is at stake.
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You hole 80% of your putts from an average of 7 feet? Goodness, you may be the greatest putter of all time!! I may start using a line too!!!!

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I agree with nik. I use a line on 6-12 foot puts and it has improved my putting. I also play ready golf and I am usually over the ball and ready to put while the previous player is putting out.

Beside I am very conscience about my pace of play. If I am not up on the group in front of me I will quicken my pace of play off the tee, through the green, and on the green.

What I find more annoying is someone looking for a lost ball 30 yards in front of the tee for five minutes or 6 strokes in a bunker followed by rake, rake, rake, rake. If you can’t hit it out of the trap in two, possibly three, pick the damn thing up and throw it out.[/QUOTE]

Good point. I played like pure crap today and the course was quite busy. I pulled my ball from crap lies and dropped twice. I was definitely further away from where an unplayable should be dropped but who cares. I also looked for a ball in deep deep rough for about 15 seconds and the dropped one in front of the brook and took 2 strokes. I am almost positive it cleared it by 15-20yds. but didn't want to keep wasting time. By halfway through the back my swing was such $hit I stopped keeping score. I hit 2 tee shots in the water off a par 4 so I gave up and dropped and played one from just behind the 100 to dial in the 50* wedge. I know when I'm having a hack day and there is no sense in making everyone elses day miserable while I shoot over 100.

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]Wow, BPC, you sure are smart!!! You know how long it takes for people THAT I PLAY WITH to get their little lines settled just right. That is impressive, since you're not the one sitting there watching them. But, after all, you are a high school kid that caddies during the summer, so who am I to question you?

I would have bet my life that you were a line user, and it turns out that you are. Please tell Camillo hello from the rest of us!![/QUOTE]

If the people you play with annoy you to the point where you come on a message board and anonymously complain about them, then maybe you should find new partners.

Call me a high school student all you want. That's what I am. What you are is what remains to be seen. I cannot but help but think the worst of you when you've spent the better part of a year acting like a 5 year old who hasn't taken his pills.

I know you'll probably come back at me with some witty remark, so I won't bother to respond to you any more. As a full time high school student I don't have the time to argue back and forth and forth with someone as accomplished as yourself. :rolleyes:

What depresses me is when people talk about rushing round in three to three and a half hours. Played at a natural rythym golf should not feel rushed at all playing at that speed, it means playing when ready, picking up gimmees when not in tournament play, not marking balls after every putt and taking precisely one practice swing. Also play from the tees which suit the ability of the weakest player in the group!!

Of course it isn't always the players fault, groups should be spaced at least 10 minutes apart and marshalls should do their job by pointing out to slower groups that they are falling behind, many new golfers are unaware of what should happen if they lose a hole to the group in front. Also the design of some courses with forced carries over water and ravines really doesn't help and carts and cart paths are an abomination that slows down play rather than speeds it up.

Finally the handicapping system where every round counts is the worst thing to happen to the place of play. Where once you would just concede putts and halve a hole in 5 or whatever and walk on to the next tee everyone plays every round as if in a tournament and always knows what they shoot, when I first took up golf sure you had a good idea of what you shot but it wasn't the be all and end all it is today, it breaks my heart when some people I know who have just taken up the game tell me how they had a putt lip out for a 108.

[QUOTE=bethpage caddy]If the people you play with annoy you to the point where you come on a message board and anonymously complain about them, then maybe you should find new partners.

Call me a high school student all you want. That's what I am. What you are is what remains to be seen. I cannot but help but think the worst of you when you've spent the better part of a year acting like a 5 year old who hasn't taken his pills.

I know you'll probably come back at me with some witty remark, so I won't bother to respond to you any more. As a full time high school student I don't have the time to argue back and forth and forth with someone as accomplished as yourself. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

1. BPC, sometimes when you just show up on the course with no tee time, they send you out with people you don't know. I would think a caddie as accomplished as yourself would know this...

2. I like the pre-emptive "I know you'll have a better response than this crap I just typed, so I'm going on record now that I won't respond" move. So weak.

3. If we go back, then we go forth, don't we have to go back again before we can go forth?

You sure are defensive about using the little line on your ball. Do we know if Camillo uses this method?

all stuff about the line whinery and ready golf stuff is great. but you can do that around here. especially in my tourneys, the kids here are so into it, if you move a quarter inch or stand in the wrong place during their routine/shot, theyll notice. You have to wait until they putt, then markup, then start your own routine. you cant focus well in your routine if someone is walking up around the hole marking a ball. i wait until the person b4 me marksup, then go into my routine (which isnt that long anyway, but ppl hate me for it). theres not always guna be ideal w.e in golf, thats just how it is, let it go!

Someone said something about "the guy" who takes 10 practise swings, then chunks it, then proceeds to tell you ALL ROUND that this is the worst he's ever played.... i swear i wana beat that guy over the head with my 9 iron! ive gone out as a single, and played with the same guy 4 times already this year... as he's proceeded to get worst and worst and point out his and my mistakes (yea, he says he knows my swing pretty good now, and i have a tendency to blow my right knee and that my shafts are too weak....) he's not the brightest guy in the world.....

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]You hole 80% of your putts from an average of 7 feet? Goodness, you may be the greatest putter of all time!! I may start using a line too!!!![/QUOTE]

Shut up Lloyd. I make about the same amount of putts from that distance [I]using a line.[/I] Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. It's like before the 4 minute mile. People stated that if you ran a mile in under 4 minutes then you would spontaneously combust. I see you like that, you don't see it happening so you discourage everyone else from thinking differently

Just show him how strong your shafts are the next time. Give his craniam a close-up on it. For slow play, just walk slower. It's the easiest trick in the book and keeps you from waiting the whole time

[QUOTE=emc]Shut up Lloyd. I make about the same amount of putts from that distance [I]using a line.[/I] Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. It's like before the 4 minute mile. People stated that if you ran a mile in under 4 minutes then you would spontaneously combust. I see you like that, you don't see it happening so you discourage everyone else from thinking differently[/QUOTE]

Tell you what - let's do a test. We will pick 5 random 7-footers on 5 different greens, so they will all have different breaks. I will give you 1000 putts. I will wager AS MUCH AS YOU like that you will not make 800 of them (or anything even close to that). And you'd have a much better shot at this than just putting 7-footers as they come up in your round.

The level of bullsh!t on this forum is staggering sometimes. I sure hope that you're just talking shite and don't actually believe that you make 80% of your 7-footers. I guess when Tiger was missing all those putts for eagle at the Masters, you must've been thinking "wow, this guy sucks, I DRAIN 80% OF THOSE BAD BOYS!!!"

To summarize - you're an idiot.

Alright, here I go. I don't want to argue, as I agree with some points on both sides of this matter. Let me start off by saying that I am a 9 handicap. I know to some of you that doesn't mean much, but when I hear someone carries a 9, it tells me they can get around the course alright.

Secondly, let me say that not only do I use the line on the side of my ball (which I actually line over with a thin Sharpie) for aligning my putts, I also use it for my tee shots. While this may take an extra 3 to 5 seconds as opposed to just placing it on the ground, it saves uncalculable time searching for wayward shots/hitting extra putts. I consider myself a very fast player; one who takes 2 practice putting strokes and then hits the putt; one who doesn't take any practice swings outside of 50 yards, unless I'm faced with an other than routine shot; one who only recognizes honors in tournaments or if someone made birdie or better on the previous hole. I am a reasonable person who can play a round solo in under 2 hours on an empty course, but who has also had to wait patiently (if not calmly and quietly) behind groups of 25+ handicappers who have no sense of etiquette due to ignorance, and groups of single digit hanicappers with no sense of etiquette due to arrogance.

I hate slow play, but I pace off every shot inside 50 yards. I hate slow play, but I will not hesitate to walk off a putt and view it from more than one angle. I hate slow play, and to this very day, have never been told to pick up the pace. There is a difference between slow and deliberate. Slow either doesn't know any better or doesn't care. Deliberate takes into consideration the effects of his/her actions on the course and proceeds accordingly.

Here are my 8 commandments of decency on the course:

--I WILL not only be ready to play when my turn arises, but will do so with minimal ado
--I will NOT mark my scorecard until I get to the next tee
--I WILL fix as many ball marks on the greens as I can in a timely manner
--I WILL pick up the flag if I am first to putt out
--If I am second to putt out, I WILL pick up stray clubs around the green for others
--I will NOT react as though I just lost the Masters on Sunday by 1 stroke when I miss a 30 footer for bogey and stare in disbelief at my partners/shoes
--I WILL wave the group behind me through if they have had to wait on more than 2 tees/fairways and there are no groups slowing me down
--If using a cart, I will NOT wait in the cart for my partner to hit IF I can easily take a club to my ball and be ready to play instead
--I will NOT talk on the cell phone for longer than 15 seconds when it's my turn (volume will be kept to a neglible level) unless it is a life-or-death emergency, in which case I should be going home anyway

I don't mean to seem like the holier-than-thou almighty authority, but these just seem right to me. If anyone has any suggestions for others to add/some to delete, let me know and maybe we can get one adopted by the USGA/R&A.

[QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]
I hate slow play, but I pace off every shot inside 50 yards. [/QUOTE]

WTF?????????? So if you're 49 yards out, you walk all the way to the hole, then back????? Are you serious?

Uh, Joey Sr., here is a newsflash for you.......You are slow. Do you honestly think you can dial it in to the last yard? Wow.

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]WTF?????????? So if you're 49 yards out, you walk all the way to the hole, then back????? Are you serious?

Uh, Joey Sr., here is a newsflash for you.......You are slow. Do you honestly think you can dial it in to the last yard? Wow.[/QUOTE]

I don't necessarily walk from 50 yards to the hole, just to a yardage marker. Around the greens (chipping distance) I definitely pace off the distance. And yes, I can dial in a shot inside 50 yards better than you might think. I can say I hole out from between 20 and 50 yards about once a round, and that's not being overly generous, just how it is. My short game is the reason I went from a 17 after 2 years in Iraq (no golf there) to a 9 in 4 months. In addition, I am fairly long off the tee, so usually have plenty of time to take inventory of the shot I need to hit while waiting on others. Like I said, I may be deliberate but I'm not slow.

If you're ever in the West Central Texas area, shoot me line in a thread and you can see for yourself. Not being a jerk, just extending an invitation.

P. S. Be nicer to those you don't know. You may get to one day.

[QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]I don't necessarily walk from 50 yards to the hole, just to a yardage marker. Around the greens (chipping distance) I definitely pace off the distance. And yes, I can dial in a shot inside 50 yards better than you might think. I can say I hole out from between 20 and 50 yards about once a round, and that's not being overly generous, just how it is. My short game is the reason I went from a 17 after 2 years in Iraq (no golf there) to a 9 in 4 months. In addition, I am fairly long off the tee, so usually have plenty of time to take inventory of the shot I need to hit while waiting on others. Like I said, I may be deliberate but I'm not slow.

If you're ever in the West Central Texas area, shoot me line in a thread and you can see for yourself. Not being a jerk, just extending an invitation.

P. S. Be nicer to those you don't know. You may get to one day.[/QUOTE]

Pacing off TO A YARDAGE MARKER makes more sense, you are forgiven for that one.

As for the claim that you hole out once per round from 20-50 yards...............

I spent the better part of a Sunday afternoon inking lines on my Titleists a few weeks back.

Then I read this thread.

So I spent all afternoon today putting Wite-Out on my balls to remove the lines. I'm so sorry to hold everyone up.

*Passes out from Wite-Out fumes*

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[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]Tell you what - let's do a test. We will pick 5 random 7-footers on 5 different greens, so they will all have different breaks. I will give you 1000 putts. I will wager AS MUCH AS YOU like that you will not make 800 of them (or anything even close to that). And you'd have a much better shot at this than just putting 7-footers as they come up in your round.

The level of bullsh!t on this forum is staggering sometimes. I sure hope that you're just talking shite and don't actually believe that you make 80% of your 7-footers. I guess when Tiger was missing all those putts for eagle at the Masters, you must've been thinking "wow, this guy sucks, I DRAIN 80% OF THOSE BAD BOYS!!!"

To summarize - you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is going to make 800 out of 1000 consecutive putts. And I'm not the best putter in the world (as someone claims).

But 8 out of 10 is possible. From 6 feet, very possible. First thing I do before a tournament is to hit 3 footers, 10 in a row, 4 footers, 10 in a row, then 6 footers, 10 in a row. The 3 and 4 footers, I wont miss. The 6 footers, I'll miss maybe 2. Because by the time I get to the six footers, I know the speed of the greens and which way the ball goes as it reaches the hole.

Try using the line. Anyone can do it. Of course, when money is at stake, then it becomes different. That is were the routine blocks out every thing else but you, the ball, and the hole. Stick hard to your routine, you can do it under pressure too.

I understand that alot of people do alot of different routines but I hope to god all your golf routines don't transfer into real life.
"I get distracted by the logo, his footsteps broke my concentation, that fly destroyed my round,Ol Bob has his dick out again"
Do you all have a.d.d ? How the hell do you drive a car?
I'd sure hate to see you guys play a sport that is fast paced and a little more rowdy.Like, oh I don't know... Darts.

[QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]

I am a reasonable person who can play a round solo in under 2 hours on an empty course

I can say I hole out from between 20 and 50 yards about once a round, and that's not being overly generous, just how it is

/QUOTE]

I can say there is 99.9% chance you are full of sh!t.

First of all it is impossable to play a full round in under 2 hours, even alone on an empty course.
If you hole every round from this distance then you must be the greatest chipper of all time. Screw Seve, Joes the man.

Honestly, the pile of bullsh!t on this forum makes Everest look like a mole hill.

[QUOTE=LyleG]First of all it is impossable to play a full round in under 2 hours, even alone on an empty course.[/QUOTE]
I have played a round in 45 minutes in a cart without catching anyone. I have walked a round in well under two hours by myself. For the most part, my better rounds have been my faster rounds. The 45 minute round was my second best scoring round ever, a 76.

I have also played in a 3 ball that was probably right at 2 hours.

The only course I could ever imagine not playing in under 2 hours is my current home course which from what I understand is between 12 and 17 miles round trip and I have played it in close to 2 hours. It used to be 17.2, but from what I understand it is now measured at only 13 due to redirection of paths

For the sake of argument, I also have a line around my ball and fail to see how it would ever slow anyone down unless you are already a slow player. Putting is my strong point, yet I do not even do a practice stroke on the putting green because it throws off my game. Whoever feels having a line around your ball slows down play is probably the same person that takes 3 practice swings and feels it necessary to justify their own slow play.

I mean give me a break. How much longer does it take to set a ball down with or without a line. I suppose anyone who takes the time to mark and clean their ball on the green should be shot.

[QUOTE=nik.hisham]Nobody is going to make 800 out of 1000 consecutive putts. And I'm not the best putter in the world (as someone claims).

But 8 out of 10 is possible.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing like contradicting yourself within 2 sentences..... If 8/10 is possible, then 800/1000 is equally likely (setting aside fatigue - and I will modify the challenge to let you take as many breaks between putts as you want so as not to get tired).

Thinking even more about this whole line thing and slow play, personally I think it speeds up play. I set the ball down with the line in the expected direction of my putt. I line my putt up from behind the ball and note the deviation from the line and the target. Line my putter up based on that deviation, as opposed to standing above my ball trying to figure out the exact line.

Speeds up play on my tee shot as well. I aim the line at my target, stand parallel to the line and don't spend a great deal of time figuring out if I am lined up properly.

It also speeds up trying to determine which ball is yours. I know as I am pulling up, and usually know which club I need before I am getting out of the cart. If I am walking, I usuallly will have my club in hand before I reach my ball.

Personally if more people would put a d@mn line around their ball, maybe we could do away with some of these 6 hour rounds. But this reverts back to the fact that even a line will not help the speed of someone who takes 3 practice swings, and can not utilize their time properly. I even put a purple line around my ball so there is no problem distinguishing should someone else line their ball.

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]Thinking even more about this whole line thing and slow play, personally I think it speeds up play. I set the ball down with the line in the expected direction of my putt. I line my putt up from behind the ball and note the deviation from the line and the target. Line my putter up based on that deviation, as opposed to standing above my ball trying to figure out the exact line.

Speeds up play on my tee shot as well. I aim the line at my target, stand parallel to the line and don't spend a great deal of time figuring out if I am lined up properly.

It also speeds up trying to determine which ball is yours. I know as I am pulling up, and usually know which club I need before I am getting out of the cart. If I am walking, I usuallly will have my club in hand before I reach my ball.

Personally if more people would put a d@mn line around their ball, maybe we could do away with some of these 6 hour rounds. But this reverts back to the fact that even a line will not help the speed of someone who takes 3 practice swings, and can not utilize their time properly. I even put a purple line around my ball so there is no problem distinguishing should someone else line their ball.[/QUOTE]

The problem is people that spend 5 minutes fidgeting with their little line to get it just right. If you're not doing that, fine, but a whole lot of people are.

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]The problem is people that spend 5 minutes fidgeting with their little line to get it just right. If you're not doing that, fine, but a whole lot of people are.[/QUOTE]

Bingo

and even on two and three footers.

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]

The only course I could ever imagine not playing in under 2 hours is my current home course which from what I understand is between 12 and 17 miles round trip and I have played it in close to 2 hours. It used to be 17.2, but from what I understand it is now measured at only 13 due to redirection of paths

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A 7,000 yard course is about four miles...so

If you do the math, your home course is between 20 and 30 thousand yards long. Taking into account that there are 1760 yards in a mile. Now I can understnd that the cart path is somewhat longer than the actual course, but in this case each hole must be a mile apart.

OK, so if your course is 13 miles as you say, and have played it in just over 2 hours, as you say. I will round that to 2.5 hours. I will take your score of 76 and assume that putting the bag down, getting a club, hitting the shot, picking up your bag, will take about 45 seconds per shot. This mean you spend 35 minutes actually golfing ( this is actually a low estimate as well, average would be closer to one minute), this would leave you 115 minutes to walk 13 miles. That is less than 9 minutes a mile. Did you know that most people cant run a mile in under 9 minutes? Let alone keep that pace for 13 miles.

Math, the enemy of make believe.

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]I have played a round in 45 minutes in a cart without catching anyone. I have walked a round in well under two hours by myself. For the most part, my better rounds have been my faster rounds. The 45 minute round was my second best scoring round ever, a 76.

I have also played in a 3 ball that was probably right at 2 hours.

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Um...45 minutes to play 18 holes is physically impossible -- that'. 2.5 minutes per hole. It is just not possible. Unless it was mini-golf or something.

even two hours is damn near impossible if you are walking ...come on guys..seriously youare going to tell me that you can walk 7000+ yards, hit 75-85 shots and do it all in less than 120 mintues? You aren't walking you are running...and frankly you would have to be shooting in the low sixties to get me to believe that.

I am with Lyle on this...the hill is getting big here.

With regard to slow play on the green. I think a lot of people are focusing on the line on the ball thing too much. The point is a foursome who have just taken a collecive 28 shots just to GET to the green, are now hovering around waiting for each guy to go through his version of a putting routine, only to leave the thing 10 ft short, 5 feet right or 18 feet past the whole....AND THEN DO IT AGAIN. These are you 10 index guys who do your thing and an lag it to 1ft, and tap out. These are the guys putting for birdie. These are guys who just as often as not should technically have picked up and takeng their 9 or whatever the highest score their handicap on the course allows -- of course they don't even know that this is something that can happen.

The best part is that I bet if you looked at their cards you would see an aweful lot of pars and bogey's....

Alright boys, i just got back from playing 18 (shot 79) and finished in 2 hours and 42 minutes, and that was playing with another single (shot 73). We both played fast and still I didn't change anything about my routine. He was also an advocate of using the line for putting (pretty good putter, too) and when I told him about this thread he laughed. So as I thought, I am not slow, just deliberate. What does this mean to everyone else? Probably nothing, just feeling a little better about my pace of play that's all.

P. S. Holed out a LW pitch from 23 yards. Granted it was on a par 3 that I missed pitifully, but it still counts, right?

[QUOTE=Wingacw]A 7,000 yard course is about four miles...so

If you do the math, your home course is between 20 and 30 thousand yards long. Taking into account that there are 1760 yards in a mile. Now I can understnd that the cart path is somewhat longer than the actual course, but in this case each hole must be a mile apart.[/QUOTE]
Wing-
I've played CC of the Poconos and I believe what PA Jayhawk is posting. The course is spread out over an extremely large area, and some of the distances between a green and the next teebox has to be close to a mile. It's a pretty unique golf course. If technology keeps advancing the way it is they probably could cut down a few trees and make the course play at about 13,000 yards for the 2038 US Open.

[QUOTE=LyleG]OK, so if your course is 13 miles as you say, and have played it in just over 2 hours, as you say. I will round that to 2.5 hours. I will take your score of 76 and assume that putting the bag down, getting a club, hitting the shot, picking up your bag, will take about 45 seconds per shot. This mean you spend 35 minutes actually golfing ( this is actually a low estimate as well, average would be closer to one minute), this would leave you 115 minutes to walk 13 miles. That is less than 9 minutes a mile. Did you know that most people cant run a mile in under 9 minutes? Let alone keep that pace for 13 miles.

Math, the enemy of make believe.[/QUOTE]
Lyle-

What makes you think he was walking that day? I'm pretty sure nobody walks that course.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]Um...45 minutes to play 18 holes is physically impossible -- that'. 2.5 minutes per hole. It is just not possible. Unless it was mini-golf or something.

even two hours is damn near impossible if you are walking ...come on guys..seriously youare going to tell me that you can walk 7000+ yards, hit 75-85 shots and do it all in less than 120 mintues? You aren't walking you are running...and frankly you would have to be shooting in the low sixties to get me to believe that.[/QUOTE]
Personally I have only played on a course from 7000+ one time, so no, that had nothing to do with what I mentioned. Actually, I may have only played on 3 courses that even had 7000+ as an option, so your example is quite extreme.

Actually the course that I did this on is 5106 off the blues and 4834 off the Whites, par 68. And I can assure you in the 200+ rounds I logged on that course, a number where under 1 hour and practically all that I played alone during the week were under 2 hours even with small waits.

Personally, golf is not a race to me, although I play better at a faster pace. So whether you believe me or not is of very little consequence to me, as I usually make it a point to speak the truth or at least what I believe to be the truth. I will say that out of the number of courses I have played alone and not caught anyone, my current home course is the only one that I would understand taking me more than two hours, although not by much, simply because it is 13+ miles. So you lack of being able to understand that someone can walk less than 3 miles in 2 hours and hit shots in between, or drive less than 3 miles in under an hour is beyond me. Taking into consideration that you believe one cannot complete a 2.89 cours in 2 hours, should I assume based on that impossibility that my home course of 13+ miles cannot be completed in under 9 hours. I doubt I have ever been on that course for just one round, but based on your statement that too would be impossible.

[QUOTE=LyleG]OK, so if your course is 13 miles as you say, and have played it in just over 2 hours, as you say. I will round that to 2.5 hours. I will take your score of 76 and assume that putting the bag down, getting a club, hitting the shot, picking up your bag, will take about 45 seconds per shot. This mean you spend 35 minutes actually golfing ( this is actually a low estimate as well, average would be closer to one minute), this would leave you 115 minutes to walk 13 miles. That is less than 9 minutes a mile. Did you know that most people cant run a mile in under 9 minutes? Let alone keep that pace for 13 miles.

Math, the enemy of make believe.[/QUOTE]
When did I ever indicated I ever even wanted to attempt to walk my home course right now. Sorry, but I wouldn't even walk 13 miles on the AT without a tent and a full supply of rations. Something tells me they do not make a golf bag that will hold a tent. I even mentioned that they changed the paths, which I would usually assume to mean cart paths.

[QUOTE=Wingacw]but in this case each hole must be a mile apart.[/QUOTE]
.... or longer in some cases.

It plays 5600 yards with a 135 slope off the whites and 5900 with a 142 slope off the blues

edit 1 - and I believe that I heard it sits on 1300 acres

[QUOTE=SeldomInTheSlot]Wing-
I've played CC of the Poconos and I believe what PA Jayhawk is posting. The course is spread out over an extremely large area, and some of the distances between a green and the next teebox has to be close to a mile. It's a pretty unique golf course. If technology keeps advancing the way it is they probably could cut down a few trees and make the course play at about 13,000 yards for the 2038 US Open.[/QUOTE]
It is Country Club of the Poconos. I have found nothing even remotely close to the layout and distance on any other course. Although there are a few courses up here, that because of the terrain are in excess of 6-7 miles round trip.

FYI, the course has changed drastically in the last couple years, they are putting up 800 houses on the back nine. Hence the reason they redid the paths changing it from what was once 17.2 mile to closer to 12 or 13. I am not sure the changes are for the better IMO, but you will find it extremely different between 6 and 13

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk] When did I ever indicated I ever even wanted to attempt to walk my home course right now. Sorry, but I wouldn't even walk 13 miles on the AT without a tent and a full supply of rations. Something tells me they do not make a golf bag that will hold a tent. I even mentioned that they changed the paths, which I would usually assume to mean cart paths.

[B]The only course I could ever imagine not playing in under 2 hours is my current home course which from what I understand is between 12 and 17 miles round trip [I][U]and I have played it in close to 2 hours.[/U][/I] It used to be 17.2, but from what I understand it is now measured at only 13 due to redirection of paths[/B]
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Look, I believe you play quick, just dont exagerate, it isnt nessasary, and can easily be disproven.

[QUOTE=LyleG]Look, I believe you play quick, just dont exagerate, it isnt nessasary, and can easily be disproven.[/QUOTE]
I certainly see nothing that you posted or underlined for that matter that would easily "disprove" what I said.

You tell me, what would be a believable time to play this course. I know simply because I have played it enough times in the time I mentioned.

Again, it seems to be the concensus that a person cannot play a standard course of roughly 3-4 miles in 2 hours or less. Which in my opinion is hogwash. That being the case do the math, my home course is roughly 13 miles, which can be very easily proven if you wish to make a phone call. How long should it take to play. You really think they can run a course that takes 9-12 hours to play 18 holes?

So tell me, a standard weekend round is supposed to take 4-4.5 hours. I will tell you from experience that a standard weekend round on this course takes approximately 4:30-5:30.

Perhaps you know how fast a Golf Cart travels. For the sake of argument I will simply say I can probably make 75-90 shots in 20-30 minutes absolute tops. So I guess in your argument it takes me well over 2 hours to drive a golf cart 13 miles. that would amount to 6.5 miles per hour.

More importantly, tell me what I have to gain by even exageriting the time it takes.

To make this even clearer. I use Intelligolf part of the time to track my score, which has a built in timer. Scanning through the ones where I used my palm to keep score at my current home course, I played one in 2:17 minutes (shot 82) , one in 2:28 minutes (Shot 90). My wife and I played as a twosome in 3:10 minutes and 3:12 minutes. I would only assume that these were probably all times where I~we did not catch anyone in front of us, but can not be certain. Although it did probably cost me a few minutes to enter the scores with my palm.

edit 1 - We also had two rounds at other local courses with my wife and I, of 1:53 minutes and 1:54 minutes. The shortest single I had logged was 1:13 minutes. Although I only have rounds on my palm going back two years, so this would not include the quicker rounds I mentioned on my old home course.

LC3 you are the King of all thread starters. I like to sit back, relax, and watch the locals go Chernobyl. Keep up the good work!!!:D

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]There's nothing like contradicting yourself within 2 sentences..... If 8/10 is possible, then 800/1000 is equally likely (setting aside fatigue - and I will modify the challenge to let you take as many breaks between putts as you want so as not to get tired).[/QUOTE]

Sure it sounds contradicting. but read it again. 800 of 1000 *consecutive* putts. no stops for drinks / breaks. how many hours / days would that take?

now 8 of 10, that sounds more reasonable doesn't it?

in fact, 8 of 10 after you've done about 15 or 20 from 3 and 4 feet sounds very do-able.

[QUOTE=LyleG]Bingo

and even on two and three footers.[/QUOTE]

That's when it gets ridiculous. Shouldn't have to be lining up 2 footers unless the break is very severe.

[QUOTE=nik.hisham]Sure it sounds contradicting. but read it again. 800 of 1000 *consecutive* putts. no stops for drinks / breaks. how many hours / days would that take?

now 8 of 10, that sounds more reasonable doesn't it?

in fact, 8 of 10 after you've done about 15 or 20 from 3 and 4 feet sounds very do-able.[/QUOTE]

I hope your putting is better than your reading comprehension and logic, or you're probably staring at about 2/10...

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]I certainly see nothing that you posted or underlined for that matter that would easily "disprove" what I said.

You tell me, what would be a believable time to play this course. I know simply because I have played it enough times in the time I mentioned.

Again, it seems to be the concensus that a person cannot play a standard course of roughly 3-4 miles in 2 hours or less. Which in my opinion is hogwash. That being the case do the math, my home course is roughly 13 miles, which can be very easily proven if you wish to make a phone call. How long should it take to play. You really think they can run a course that takes 9-12 hours to play 18 holes?

So tell me, a standard weekend round is supposed to take 4-4.5 hours. I will tell you from experience that a standard weekend round on this course takes approximately 4:30-5:30.

Perhaps you know how fast a Golf Cart travels. For the sake of argument I will simply say I can probably make 75-90 shots in 20-30 minutes absolute tops. So I guess in your argument it takes me well over 2 hours to drive a golf cart 13 miles. that would amount to 6.5 miles per hour.

More importantly, tell me what I have to gain by even exageriting the time it takes.[/QUOTE]

How fast does a Golf cart go. I think that the maximum is 20Mph...that even might be high. Let's assume this is the case. IN the first place you will NOT avergae near 20Mph through a round. Especially hitting an average of 82 shots (75-90).

82 is 4.5 shots per hole -- hitting a shot for me includes -- getting out the cart, selecting your club, going to the ball and, i guess in your guess, hitting it with no routine. At a minimum this is going to take 60 seconds, as Lloyd says. I say more like 1.5....but we'll even be nice here and say that you do it in 45 seconds. out of cart, get club, go to ball, hit ball, watch where ball goes, go back to cart return club, get in cart...go.

45 seconds for all that. no hurry.

That in and of itself is 61.5 minutes PA. that's ONE, EIN, UN, hour, uhr, hora. Now you still have to drive the rest of the course.

you say it takes you 20-30 seconds to hit hte ball and back in the cart. dude, seriously?

Ok, i believe that you do it...if not I have to beleive you are either a liar or have a severe issue with not being able to tell time.

As you approach your ball in the cart it should be fairly clear what club you will be taking, at least within one, eg prob a seven but maybe a six or an eight.

As you get out of the cart you should be reaching for the club you will use, but take two or three out not one if you are in the least bit not sure, that takes two to four seconds. Walk to where the ball is, you should be parked no more than four strides away, two seconds, visualise shot, four to six seconds, take ONE practice swing, two seconds, hit ball, two seconds, watch shot (and if it is a good one that does not mean yoou have to watch it to the end, if it is clear it is not in any trouble you should be back in the cart before the ball has landed) four seconds and back to cart two seconds.

Twenty two seconds and although some shots might take a little longer a tap in putt will obvously take less, and anything on a flat green in a non competition round under three feet is a tap in (in fact should not be putted out).

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]I hope your putting is better than your reading comprehension and logic, or you're probably staring at about 2/10...[/QUOTE]

Ok. I missed the part that you mentioned on fatigue and taking breaks. My bad.

My putting... well, its decent. Could be better.

My logic is sound as well, but don't know what you're getting at with the logic.

[QUOTE=Singsling]As you approach your ball in the cart it should be fairly clear what club you will be taking, at least within one, eg prob a seven but maybe a six or an eight.

As you get out of the cart you should be reaching for the club you will use, but take two or three out not one if you are in the least bit not sure, that takes two to four seconds. Walk to where the ball is, you should be parked no more than four strides away, two seconds, visualise shot, four to six seconds, take ONE practice swing, two seconds, hit ball, two seconds, watch shot (and if it is a good one that does not mean yoou have to watch it to the end, if it is clear it is not in any trouble you should be back in the cart before the ball has landed) four seconds and back to cart two seconds.

Twenty two seconds and although some shots might take a little longer a tap in putt will obvously take less, and anything on a flat green in a non competition round under three feet is a tap in (in fact should not be putted out).[/QUOTE]

Uh...I would ask you to ACTUALLY time it. I guarantee that if you timed it EVERY shot for a round your avergae time would be up in the 40's or more. WHat you are describing is someone at a panicked pace. I have NEVER seen anyone paly that way. I have played with a few guys who I consider "ready" and quick players, and even they wouldn't get close to 20 seconds per shot (cart to cart)...

And this is he NEVER waiting for the other's in his group to hit? I mean My god...where is the enjoyment in it if you are racing to get finished.

One thing I will say. If he is palying that fast...and THAT is fast. Then he needs to slow down, and if he does he'll be a single digit handicap for sure.

You know its funny though. Becuase I don't get his point in the first place. Fine he plays Speed golf and so does Joeysdaddy. I don't care if he can actually do something that on paper looks VERRY difficult to accomplish. But the point of the thread has NOTHING to do with him or people who play fast. --And let's remember that he said he goes through a regular routine of lining up his ball etc etc...so your 22 second thing is gone. That and he shoots a 90 pretty often (and accroding to him can do it in 2 horus 18 minutes). -- but the point being made are people who are the OTHER EXTREME. The ones who don't hole our once a round, the ones who have NEVER finished the first 4 holes in 45 minutes, let alone in 2 hours.

These are the people who Lloyd, and I, are tired of.

Look I am NOT a low handicapper. I play the game and enjoy it, and hope to get better. I hit a few OB, or take a 9 occasionally, and post a lot of bogeys and doubles...I don't pretened though. I KNOW i am not a pro...I don't pose and posture for my playing partners or the group behind me. I think I play close to what most here describe as "ready" golf. Too sum up I don't play slow.

ANd all anyone here who agrees with Lloyd is asking is: PLEASE STOP!. Stop the shinnanigens, you aren't that good. YES..you paid your money, and so did I. And I want to get around in a reasonable time. I don't want to be on a tee box with the group ahead AND the group behind becuase you are walking the green AGAIN to sink your 4 footer, and then have to watch you do it again becuase now its a 5 footer coming back. I don't want to stand on the tee box and wait to hit becuase you are checking the wind, discussing club selection, talking on the phone, taking 5 or 6 practice swings and then changing clubs, doing multiple of the above, and then hitting your 150 yard second 40 yards short and 10 yards into the next fairway. Hell I will accept the shot for itself, I do it. But its all the crap that leads up to it. And the cart sitting in the fairway as you casually get in.

I don't like to have to wait to make my approach to the green wait becuase you feel somehow you ALL need to recount your hole and "verify" your strokes....stop stroking and move on to the tee box and take care of business.

So, now that we are back to the topic...JoeysDaddy and PA, are you guys serious in saying that you fine nothing wrong with people doing this on CROWDED courses?

I have a hard time believing that you think that.

Actually I think playing in a four ball reduces the average time you take to play your shots, because you do all your preparation during the time the other guys are going through their routine such that if you play 'ready' golf once player no 3 has hit you will only take an additional 5 seconds or so...... if you do the maths 4 players playing say 85 shots each at 40 seconds would take 3 hrs 40 minutes just on the shots without adding anything for getting to and from the ball and between holes.

Anyway I am agreeing with you in general, as you say I have nothing against 3 1/2 hour rounds or even 4 hours on a busy day, but anything over 4 hours is nae golf.

Fortunately the Marshall at the course I play is very good about speeding people up. There was a group with two beginner women and I don't know what he said but it got them moving. I think they started playing from where their male partners tee shots ended up if theirs sucked. The worst is in the beginning of the year. Made a threesome with a couple guys I met. On a par 5 we are all ready to hit and this guy is practicing on the green. He sees us and continues to do so. After a wave and a minute wait we all proceed to hit right at him. Then the next hole in a par 3, he is in his backswing and the guy I was playing with drops his bag on the ground about 15ft. away. Then the guy takes a mulligan and the guy I'm with starts fake coughing loudly during his backswing, I was getting a kick out of it.

Here's another pproblem...playing the correct tees. I played yesterday afternoon behind a 2-some who played from the tips when it was painfully obvious they should be playing from the whites. A mid-week round which should have been able to be completed in around 3.5-4 hours instead took nearly 5. They could barely advance the ball off the tee and one of them would hit one OB on every hole. It was painful.

Now here's the kicker...there was a single in front of them that offered to pair up to speed the day along and they said no as he was playting the white tees and they were playing the blues. The one idiot commented that if he was going to shoot 120, he wanted to do it from the tips and then proceeded to say he needed a birdie to shoot that 120. This was on the 18th tee. I was floored.

My point to this rant is simple. If your game/handicap isn't set up for the tips, then quit trying to be the next pro and move to the correct set of tees. You arre holding the course up, embarrassing yourself and infuriating the rest of us who just to play a relaxing round of golf. The pace of play shouldn't be slowed anymore than necessary by hacks who think a 120 from the tips is something to brag about.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]82 is 4.5 shots per hole -- hitting a shot for me includes -- getting out the cart, selecting your club, going to the ball and, i guess in your guess, hitting it with no routine. At a minimum this is going to take 60 seconds, as Lloyd says. I say more like 1.5....but we'll even be nice here and say that you do it in 45 seconds. out of cart, get club, go to ball, hit ball, watch where ball goes, go back to cart return club, get in cart...go.

45 seconds for all that. no hurry.

That in and of itself is 61.5 minutes PA. that's ONE, EIN, UN, hour, uhr, hora. Now you still have to drive the rest of the course.

you say it takes you 20-30 seconds to hit hte ball and back in the cart. dude, seriously?

Ok, i believe that you do it...if not I have to beleive you are either a liar or have a severe issue with not being able to tell time.[/QUOTE]
Well, first off, I can guarantee you it doesn't take me 60 seconds. Secondly, you failed to recognize a vital part of golf. 1/3 to 1/2 of you strokes take place around a green. If you putt or chip your ball, walk back to the cart every hole to then grab a putter every hole I will most likely hit into you because I will assume you are done on the green. Furthermore, if you take 60 seconds contemplating how you want to tap in that ball that rests on the lip of the cup, which happens about practically every other hole if not more I can most certainly guarantee I will hit into you and if I am playing with you, I will be teeing off on the next hole while you are still contemplating that 2 inch breaking putt. I think someone said earlier Tiger spends 18 seconds on putts, why would you assume I take longer, and so much longer that my overall average would fall to 60 seconds. Adding to this, if I am playing on a course that I have played 200 times, it requires very little thought to decide what I will hit off the tee, unless there is terrible wind. So this basically leaves the approach shot which would probably be the only shot that would take 60 seconds, and I find that to even be a huge stretch. Furthermore, it usually requires very little thought knowing how my putt will break as I know the greens like the back of my hand.

So believe what you want. Although after mentioning the timed rounds off my palm, I think that narrows down what you believe to me being a liar. This being the case and still failing to see what I would have to gain by stating such, I question why I should continue trying to convince you something so insignificant.

[QUOTE=rew70]Here's another pproblem...playing the correct tees. I played yesterday afternoon behind a 2-some who played from the tips when it was painfully obvious they should be playing from the whites. A mid-week round which should have been able to be completed in around 3.5-4 hours instead took nearly 5. They could barely advance the ball off the tee and one of them would hit one OB on every hole. It was painful.

Now here's the kicker...there was a single in front of them that offered to pair up to speed the day along and they said no as he was playting the white tees and they were playing the blues. The one idiot commented that if he was going to shoot 120, he wanted to do it from the tips and then proceeded to say he needed a birdie to shoot that 120. This was on the 18th tee. I was floored.

My point to this rant is simple. If your game/handicap isn't set up for the tips, then quit trying to be the next pro and move to the correct set of tees. You arre holding the course up, embarrassing yourself and infuriating the rest of us who just to play a relaxing round of golf. The pace of play shouldn't be slowed anymore than necessary by hacks who think a 120 from the tips is something to brag about.[/QUOTE]

Easy solution. Get the number to the clubhouse, put it in your cell. Call them and tell them to get the Marshall out there. They will force the guys to pair up with the single. I play the blues sometimes but shoot the same scores as from the whites. The blues are only 10-20 yds. longer max. at my course but the slope is 5 higher. I've never had a problem with being slow. I like to play fast and more than a minute wait from the time I set my bag down to the time I swing just makes me worse. I do everything I can to get on the course when it is less crowded.

[QUOTE=rew70]Here's another pproblem...playing the correct tees. I played yesterday afternoon behind a 2-some who played from the tips when it was painfully obvious they should be playing from the whites. A mid-week round which should have been able to be completed in around 3.5-4 hours instead took nearly 5. They could barely advance the ball off the tee and one of them would hit one OB on every hole. It was painful.

Now here's the kicker...there was a single in front of them that offered to pair up to speed the day along and they said no as he was playting the white tees and they were playing the blues. The one idiot commented that if he was going to shoot 120, he wanted to do it from the tips and then proceeded to say he needed a birdie to shoot that 120. This was on the 18th tee. I was floored.

My point to this rant is simple. If your game/handicap isn't set up for the tips, then quit trying to be the next pro and move to the correct set of tees. You arre holding the course up, embarrassing yourself and infuriating the rest of us who just to play a relaxing round of golf. The pace of play shouldn't be slowed anymore than necessary by hacks who think a 120 from the tips is something to brag about.[/QUOTE]

How/why were they allowed to do that? Most courses that I have played will only allow you to play from the tips if you are single figures (and can prove it) if at all.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]And let's remember that he said he goes through a regular routine of lining up his ball etc etc.[/QUOTE]
See, now you are miss quoting me in an attempt to support your logic. Re-read what I said and you will find this statement to be false

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]Speeds up play on my tee shot as well. I aim the line at my target, stand parallel to the line and don't spend a great deal of time figuring out if I am lined up properly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]So, now that we are back to the topic...JoeysDaddy and PA, are you guys serious in saying that you fine nothing wrong with people doing this on CROWDED courses?

I have a hard time believing that you think that.[/QUOTE]
I think I made it quite clear that I thought it would speed up play and indicated why. I also made it clear that it is more the individual that makes it a slow process and not the device. Simply put, we're talking about people who need to better utilize their time, adding more devices will simply make them slower. If you properly utilize the device, it can save you time.

[QUOTE=Singsling]How/why were they allowed to do that? Most courses that I have played will only allow you to play from the tips if you are single figures (and can prove it) if at all.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, those courses may be the exception, or at least it would be in my area as well as my prior area. Then again, as I mentioned earlier there are not too many courses up here that play over 7000 yards, and I know at least 2 of them will require you prove you are capable. They may be the only 2 that check. They usually simply post the recommended and send you on your way.

[QUOTE=ezra76]Easy solution. Get the number to the clubhouse, put it in your cell. Call them and tell them to get the Marshall out there. They will force the guys to pair up with the single. I play the blues sometimes but shoot the same scores as from the whites. The blues are only 10-20 yds. longer max. at my course but the slope is 5 higher. I've never had a problem with being slow. I like to play fast and more than a minute wait from the time I set my bag down to the time I swing just makes me worse. I do everything I can to get on the course when it is less crowded.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Singsling]How/why were they allowed to do that? Most courses that I have played will only allow you to play from the tips if you are single figures (and can prove it) if at all.[/QUOTE]

We have the number to the clubhouse as we play here often. The starter was told how they were playing at the turn and that it was obvious they should not be playing the tips. He and the Marshall did nothing. Unbelieveable! So, not sure what else we could do.

It clearly states in the clubhouse what tees should be played according to the handicap ranges set forth. 120 does not qualify for the blue tees. I too play the blue tees every so often but as a 13 handicap, I can navigate around the course fairly well without holding up the process for the rest of the field. I shot 83 from the whites yesterday and that's the tee I am supposed to play with my index. However a man should know his limitations.

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]See, now you are miss quoting me in an attempt to support your logic. Re-read what I said and you will find this statement to be false




I think I made it quite clear that I thought it would speed up play and indicated why. I also made it clear that it is more the individual that makes it a slow process and not the device. Simply put, we're talking about people who need to better utilize their time, adding more devices will simply make them slower. If you properly utilize the device, it can save you time.[/QUOTE]

Fari enough. I don't think I miss quoted you, in fact I ddin't quote you at all, just paraphrased what was true, which is; that you do use a pre-shot routine (lining the ball up, both on the green on tee box).

And guess what I agree. Using a reasonable routine to help you hit the ball better is a good thing. Though Lloyd railed on about the Ball with a line, it was really only a metaphor for the wasting of time. His point is that these guys do this NOT to play better, but to look cool. They have no idea why they do it, only that Tiger, or Phil or Sergio do it..so obviously it has to help.

Well it would if it were something that they practiced using it. and of course CUT it down to something that did actually help them -- like apparently your routine does, and seeming JoeysDaddy's must since he plays pretty well.

Anyway. I hope that you continue to play the fastest golf on the planet -- come to think about it there is a version of Golf where they actually do time it -- you should check out Speed Golf. Your a natural.

[QUOTE=rew70]We have the number to the clubhouse as we play here often. The starter was told how they were playing at the turn and that it was obvious they should not be playing the tips. He and the Marshall did nothing. Unbelieveable! So, not sure what else we could do.

It clearly states in the clubhouse what tees should be played according to the handicap ranges set forth. 120 does not qualify for the blue tees. I too play the blue tees every so often but as a 13 handicap, I can navigate around the course fairly well without holding up the process for the rest of the field. I shot 83 from the whites yesterday and that's the tee I am supposed to play with my index. However a man should know his limitations.[/QUOTE]

If it was that slow they should have joined them up with the single. Why can they not play together on different tees? I played from the blues with a couple guys who are members at the course the other day. At the turn 1 of them left and we were joined by a two-some who played the whites. Sadly I like to play the blues because the 3 long par 3's are a hybrid instead of a 5i shot. My scores are the same from either. At easier courses I play the blues usually, I shot 89 followed by 86 from them at the 119 slope course I go to. It's short from the blues, the whites are like ladies tees. I may as well leave all my woods in the truck and tee off with a hybrid from those.

[QUOTE=ezra76]If it was that slow they should have joined them up with the single. Why can they not play together on different tees? I played from the blues with a couple guys who are members at the course the other day. At the turn 1 of them left and we were joined by a two-some who played the whites. Sadly I like to play the blues because the 3 long par 3's are a hybrid instead of a 5i shot. My scores are the same from either. At easier courses I play the blues usually, I shot 89 followed by 86 from them at the 119 slope course I go to. It's short from the blues, the whites are like ladies tees. I may as well leave all my woods in the truck and tee off with a hybrid from those.[/QUOTE]

Well we wondered the same thing. I don't know why they couldn't have played together. But basically all I am saying is the pace of plaay is generally bad enough on local munis, at least play the tees that are appropriate for your game so we can all have a good day playing.

[QUOTE=rew70]Well we wondered the same thing. I don't know why they couldn't have played together. But basically all I am saying is the pace of plaay is generally bad enough on local munis, at least play the tees that are appropriate for your game so we can all have a good day playing.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. On a busy day at the hard course I'll play whatever the guys I get grouped with play. The real piss poor hackers, like 120 from the blues, don't usually play this course. It's rather expensive for non-residents and known as one of the harder courses in the state. Most of the time I get grouped with guys who are members and have played with some excellent players. One day I got paired up with a guy who was a 2. I thought, he doesn't seem that good. Then I saw him putt, holy crap, I've never seen anyone make that many 10-15 footers in my life.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]Though Lloyd railed on about the Ball with a line, it was really only a metaphor for the wasting of time. His point is that these guys do this NOT to play better, but to look cool. They have no idea why they do it, only that Tiger, or Phil or Sergio do it..so obviously it has to help.[/QUOTE]

The line on the ball is there for good reason. When I am going through putting slumps I employ the line to get back to normal. If after impact the line on the ball is a little squirly, then you can instantly tell you have put sidespin on the ball. After that you may adjust your stroke or ball position to correct you. It works very well, but people tend to take too long aligning and reading putts. I align the line in my hand before I relace the ball on the green before I putt. I can gaurantee that I am fast enough at lining it up that the only way you would notice I use the line would be to look at the ball itself. It's another way to check your putting stroke. Try it, it may help your 24 handicap to go a little lower.:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]PLEASE STOP USING THAT LITTLE LINE ON YOUR GOLF BALL TO LINE UP YOUR PUTTS!!!!!! IT ISN'T HELPING, AND YOU AREN'T PLAYING IN THE US OPEN. YOU ARE SO FCUKING SLOW!!! READ THE PUTT, PUT YOUR DANM BALL DOWN AND PUTT THE FREAKING THING!!!! DO YOU ENJOY 6 HOUR ROUNDS???

ahhh, i feel better. thank you.[/QUOTE]
Feeling tough behind that Computer screen of yours?

I often find people like you who act all tough in forums actually be a chicken chit in real life.

Keep acting tough, no one will do anything since its the internet.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]I don't like to have to wait to make my approach to the green wait becuase you feel somehow you ALL need to recount your hole and "verify" your strokes....stop stroking and move on to the tee box and take care of business.

So, now that we are back to the topic...JoeysDaddy and PA, are you guys serious in saying that you fine nothing wrong with people doing this on CROWDED courses?

I have a hard time believing that you think that.[/QUOTE]

Well, if you look at my first post you will notice my "Commandments" of golf etiquette, one of which states that I will NOT mark my scorecard until I get to the next tee. This includes "verifying" strokes, because it shouldn't be hard to remember how many times you've hit (we can all count to 10, if even that high). Also, as a fast player, I have been stuck behind groups waiting on groups waiting on groups all too often. My regular golfing buddies are all between 6 and 11 handicappers, so we get through holes pretty quickly, and nothing makes us madder than having to wait, but we do. It's part of the game.

What's more infuriating to you: A group of hackers who get to their ball and swing quickly, but take forever because their making 8's and 9's or a group of decent players who take the same amount of time but shoot low 70's? I think the lesser of 2 evils is the latter group, but I still hate to wait on them. The longest round I've ever played was on July 4th of last year. We were stuck behind a group who would not let us through on the back not matter how hard we used our Jedi mind powers. When we finally finished and came into the clubhouse, it turned out one of them had broken the club record and 2 others had shot in the mid-60's. That pretty much shut us up, because yes it was our bad luck for being stuck behind them, and yes we would have liked to finish in a reasonable amount of time (we were in at just under 5 hours), and yes we would have probably had a better time, but if it had been one of us trying to break the club record, we would be taking as much time as we felt necessary. Are we wrong in this?

[QUOTE=HappyW@*!]Feeling tough behind that Computer screen of yours?

I often find people like you who act all tough in forums actually be a chicken chit in real life.

Keep acting tough, no one will do anything since its the internet.[/QUOTE]

This was briliant. Bravo.