VeeJAYgas or VeeAYgas?

I'm not a Spanish speaker but I'm surprised at how all the golf commentators pronounce Camilo Villegas name. Wouldn't it be Veeaygas or Veeayjus not VeeJAYgas?

[QUOTE=swartzd]I'm not a Spanish speaker but I'm surprised at how all the golf commentators pronounce Camilo Villegas name. Wouldn't it be Veeaygas or Veeayjus not VeeJAYgas?[/QUOTE]

i would ask Beth, she seems to like him alot...

;)

depends on where he is from. If he is from Brazil, or other country that speaks Portugese, then his name should be pronounced VeeJAYgus. If he is from a Spanish speaking country his name should be prounced VeeYAYgus.
Spanish and Portugese are very similar, but they have slightly different prounciation rules.

I believe it's pronounced VILL uh gus
An alternate pronunciation is TART

some spanish speaking regions pronounce the LL letter with a bit of an english J.

[QUOTE=swartzd]I'm not a Spanish speaker but I'm surprised at how all the golf commentators pronounce Camilo Villegas name. Wouldn't it be Veeaygas or Veeayjus not VeeJAYgas?[/QUOTE]

Who cares how it is pronounced?!?!?!

The correct pronunciation of his name is Bee - Jay - Gas .

I love when announcers of any sport attempt to pronounce a foreign athlete's name "correctly." You know, with the intonations and the accent and all that, it cracks me up. To me, it's 100 times more akward to hear some american announcer try to say VEE-JAY-GAS or HAIR-NON-DACE (hernandez) or whatever than to hear the same announcer butcher the samename with the most Americanized pronunciation possible. HAHAHAHHAHA

OK, I am Hispanic, and the first time I saw his name, I thought it was pronounced Vee-Yay-Gas, but was quickly corrected by a friend who said it is Bee-Jay-Gas (this has been confirmed by every artlicle or broadcast that mentions the correct pronunciation). This made, and still makes, very little sense to me, except that I remembered that some of my family members pronounce English "Y" words with a "J" sound (yellow = jellow), and English "V" words with a "B" sound (version = bersion). How this would translate to someone from Colombia (where Villegas is from) I don't know. Still baffled.

[QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]OK, I am Hispanic, and the first time I saw his name, I thought it was pronounced Vee-Yay-Gas, but was quickly corrected by a friend who said it is Bee-Jay-Gas (this has been confirmed by every artlicle or broadcast that mentions the correct pronunciation). This made, and still makes, very little sense to me, except that I remembered that some of my family members pronounce English "Y" words with a "J" sound (yellow = jellow), and English "V" words with a "B" sound (version = bersion). How this would translate to someone from Colombia (where Villegas is from) I don't know. Still baffled.[/QUOTE]

My wife is Colombian and I'm down there every month, I've even played golf with people who played against Villegas in the Colombian national championships. The ll is pronounced as a J in Colombia and as a Y in Spain with variations in different Spanish speaking countries. My wife who isn't into golf pronounces the name as Bee-Jay-Gas as do the golfers who played with him, they are just following the rules of pronounciation in Colombia, which are different from Spain which are different from Mexico and so on.

As to whether it makes sense for US or British commentators to pronounce it in the Colombian manner is another matter, but Vill-yay-gas is definately wrong.

My surname is Villegas and my family has always pronounced it VEE YAY GAS. I have an issue with someone posting that this pronunciation is "definitly" wrong. I am not saying that the other pronunciation is wrong, per se. I think it should depend on who is saying the name. One cannot expect someone in some other country to say it exactly the same way I say it or vice versa. If I met Camilo Villegas now, I would certainly NOT alter the way I pronounce Villegas and I'm sure he wouldn't even give it a second thought.

[QUOTE=AVillegas]My surname is Villegas and my family has always pronounced it VEE YAY GAS. I have an issue with someone posting that this pronunciation is "definitly" wrong. I am not saying that the other pronunciation is wrong, per se. I think it should depend on who is saying the name. One cannot expect someone in some other country to say it exactly the same way I say it or vice versa. If I met Camilo Villegas now, I would certainly NOT alter the way I pronounce Villegas and I'm sure he wouldn't even give it a second thought.[/QUOTE]

Well it's lucky you dredged up this three and a half year old thread to set us all straight.

This is a worthy thread. I'd say more debate is called for as to how the guy pronounces his name, except I happen to know it's pronounced: VEE-BEND-ME-OVER-GUS.

Sorry I wasn't able to clear this up years ago.

My dad is a spanish speaker who's worked in argentina, brazil and other SA countries.. he tells me it's a dialect, I think he said 'Castellano" spanish that makes the double L into a ZH sound like Russian..and yes, that means the Castellano speakers pronounce it "Castezhano"..

dad's had to speak both the traditional way and this way depending on where he was working at the time..

at any rate, get over it. this is nothing compared to "Miguel An Hel" being changed to 'Miggle Angle', and 'Jimenez' being changed to 'Jimeneth'...

And what about Seve's old buddy Jose Maria, whose last name was changed from O LAZ a bal to O la THA bll...

Bizhegas has plenty of company..

[QUOTE=AVillegas]My surname is Villegas and my family has always pronounced it VEE YAY GAS. I have an issue with someone posting that this pronunciation is "definitly" wrong. I am not saying that the other pronunciation is wrong, per se. I think it should depend on who is saying the name. One cannot expect someone in some other country to say it exactly the same way I say it or vice versa. If I met Camilo Villegas now, I would certainly NOT alter the way I pronounce Villegas and I'm sure he wouldn't even give it a second thought.[/QUOTE]
And I pronounce it VILL-ah-gus. No chance I'm altering my pronunciation. Yeah, he might look at me cock-eyed if pronounced his name that way, but to be honest, he loves a cock in the eye.
Mi-GWEL ANG-el Ga-MEN-ez.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]My dad is a spanish speaker who's worked in argentina, brazil and other SA countries.. he tells me it's a dialect, I think he said 'Castellano" spanish that makes the double L into a ZH sound like Russian..and yes, that means the Castellano speakers pronounce it "Castezhano"..

dad's had to speak both the traditional way and this way depending on where he was working at the time.[/QUOTE]

It pains me to disagree, but my father and I have extensive experience with Spanish dialects even though of course we're both Italian. Dad worked as a Sangria maker, a Chihauhau groomer and a Gaucho. I never saw Dad during his vacations as he was always off to Peru, Columbia or some other Spanish speaking place. This pissed Mom off because he'd leave without her.

Growing up I didn't realize it, but since his blood runs through my veins I now realize these had to have been tang safaris. I'm pretty sure Mom knew because during those times she'd hit my brothers and me with a concrete filled sock instead of the usual broom handle.

Anyways, I digress. Dad would come home at night and from vacation, often pause from his yelling and ponder Spanish dialects, their pronunciation and whether Mom might have gotten ahold of a gun. On Tueday evenings he attended Pronunciation of Various Spanish Dialects Club, although there's a chance that was also just about poon.

At dinner, my family would discuss nothing but non-Latin based language pronunciation. Occasionally he'd ask Mom to get up and get him something and call her a profane term or by another woman's name (usually Spanish). The pronunciation discussions would typically end at that point.

So based on all this, I'm absolutely 100% certain that my pronuciation is 100% correct 100% of the time, and to some extent it may also explain why I am the way I am.

All of this reminds me of a very old joke:

"These two persons are discussing whether the state of Hawaii is pronounced 'Havaii' or 'Hawaii.' So there they stood arguing and arguing, until they decided to ask the gentleman that was walking by. The gentleman said, 'Havaii.' So they both looked at each other, and as the gentleman was leaving, one of the two said to him, 'Thank you.' The gentleman replied by saying, 'You're velcome.' "

[QUOTE=AVillegas]My surname is Villegas and my family has always pronounced it VEE YAY GAS. I have an issue with someone posting that this pronunciation is "definitly" wrong. I am not saying that the other pronunciation is wrong, per se. I think it should depend on who is saying the name. One cannot expect someone in some other country to say it exactly the same way I say it or vice versa. If I met Camilo Villegas now, I would certainly NOT alter the way I pronounce Villegas and I'm sure he wouldn't even give it a second thought.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty lame that you wouldn't alter the way you say Villegas when you know the proper way to say his particular name. Once you know how someone likes to hear their name pronounced you should say it that way. You sound like Hoard Hardin from Augusta (back in 1985) pronouncing Bernhard Langer's name "Bernerd". He even asked Bernhard how to pronounce his name, Bernhard told him, and he kept saying "Bernerd". Lose the pride and say the guy's name the way he expects it. I personally think it sounds a lot cooler as VEE JAY GAS. Cool is where it's at.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]It pains me to disagree, but my father and I have extensive experience with Spanish dialects even though of course we're both Italian. Dad worked as a Sangria maker, a Chihauhau groomer and a Gaucho. I never saw Dad during his vacations as he was always off to Peru, Columbia or some other Spanish speaking place. This pissed Mom off because he'd leave without her.

Growing up I didn't realize it, but since his blood runs through my veins I now realize these had to have been tang safaris. I'm pretty sure Mom knew because during those times she'd hit my brothers and me with a concrete filled sock instead of the usual broom handle.

Anyways, I digress. Dad would come home at night and from vacation, often pause from his yelling and ponder Spanish dialects, their pronunciation and whether Mom might have gotten ahold of a gun. On Tueday evenings he attended Pronunciation of Various Spanish Dialects Club, although there's a chance that was also just about poon.

At dinner, my family would discuss nothing but non-Latin based language pronunciation. Occasionally he'd ask Mom to get up and get him something and call her a profane term or by another woman's name (usually Spanish). The pronunciation discussions would typically end at that point.

So based on all this, I'm absolutely 100% certain that my pronuciation is 100% correct 100% of the time, and to some extent it may also explain why I am the way I am.[/QUOTE]

I suspect you are suffering from mentazh izhness.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]I suspect you are suffering from mentazh izhness.[/QUOTE]

There's a good chance one of us is.

hey dave, a texan & an arkansan were pissing off a bridge one day. the texan said "that water sure is cold!" the arkansan looked at him and said "it's deep too!"

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]It pains me to disagree, but my father and I have extensive experience with Spanish dialects even though of course we're both Italian. Dad worked as a Sangria maker, a Chihauhau groomer and a Gaucho. I never saw Dad during his vacations as he was always off to Peru, Columbia or some other Spanish speaking place. This pissed Mom off because he'd leave without her.

Growing up I didn't realize it, but since his blood runs through my veins I now realize these had to have been tang safaris. I'm pretty sure Mom knew because during those times she'd hit my brothers and me with a concrete filled sock instead of the usual broom handle.

Anyways, I digress. Dad would come home at night and from vacation, often pause from his yelling and ponder Spanish dialects, their pronunciation and whether Mom might have gotten ahold of a gun. On Tueday evenings he attended Pronunciation of Various Spanish Dialects Club, although there's a chance that was also just about poon.

At dinner, my family would discuss nothing but non-Latin based language pronunciation. Occasionally he'd ask Mom to get up and get him something and call her a profane term or by another woman's name (usually Spanish). The pronunciation discussions would typically end at that point.

So based on all this, I'm absolutely 100% certain that my pronuciation is 100% correct 100% of the time, and to some extent it may also explain why I am the way I am.[/QUOTE]

Lorenzo I very much appreciate you opening up to us with this revealing look into you're background. So habitual poon hunting in genetic is it? Very interesting.
I'm glad to see that being hit repeatedly with a concrete filled sock has not dampened your IQ too much. You have made me feel a little inadequate not having such an exotic father, but I will try and muddle through somehow.
It's nice to see that you and Dave share an interest in language and pronunciation. Perhaps you could co-chair a master class for us, I'm sure both of your imputs would be enlightning.
The GRRG and Bomber Perkins; a formidable double act to be sure.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Lorenzo I very much appreciate you opening up to us with this revealing look into you're background. So habitual poon hunting in genetic is it? Very interesting.
[/QUOTE]

I'll never know whether the poon thing is genetic or environmental. Our next door neighbors were the Rossinis. Mrs. Rossini was an amazing example of pure erotic sensuality and beckoning physicality. Her daughter was an even greater manifestation of sexual perfection. When either woman appeared, it was a marvel to witness how quickly the blood could rush to the genital area.

What I'm trying to say is, all the males in the Lorenzo family would get instant stiffies a dozen or more so times a day from seeing these women, whether by happenstance, or through binoculars from a concealed position. The interesting question is, would the males in any family end up this way, having to live for years next to two such f.uckable women they couldn't touch unitl just before they left Italy?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'll never know whether the poon thing is genetic or environmental. Our next door neighbors were the Rossinis. Mrs. Rossini was an amazing example of pure erotic sensuality and beckoning physicality. Her daughter was an even greater manifestation of sexual perfection. When either woman appeared, it was a marvel to witness how quickly the blood could rush to the genital area.

What I'm trying to say is, all the males in the Lorenzo family would get instant stiffies a dozen or more so times a day from seeing these women, whether by happenstance, or through binoculars from a concealed position. The interesting question is, would the males in any family end up this way, having to live for years next to two such f.uckable women they couldn't touch unitl just before they left Italy?[/QUOTE]

Ok enough is enough, this one is definitely coming off your overall post total. You're down to 1199 posts now whereas I'm up to 1223.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Ok enough is enough, this one is definitely coming off your overall post total. You're down to 1199 posts now whereas I'm up to 1223.[/QUOTE]

I was merely answering a question posed by your very close friend, OP, that related exactly to the title of this thread. Which essentially deals with deviant sexuality. I wouldn't think you'd find it difficult to spill on this topic if you were willilng.

[QUOTE=bjdrivers]hey dave, a texan & an arkansan were pissing off a bridge one day. the texan said "that water sure is cold!" the arkansan looked at him and said "it's deep too!"[/QUOTE]

trust a guy from Arkansas to get the joke backwards.. :-))

I always thought it was pronounced Himinez.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I always thought it was pronounced Himinez.[/QUOTE]

It's Hee May Neth.. HEE MAY NETH... madre de Dios, gringo es estupido!

[QUOTE=daveperkins]It's Hee May Neth.. HEE MAY NETH... madre de Dios, gringo es estupido![/QUOTE]
Stupid wetback diegos should learn to speak English so we don't have these misunderstandings.