Ping Eye 2 vs Ping Zing

Why does it seem the Eye 2's sell for more than the Zings? Are the Eye's a better club, less forgiving than the Zings?

Is there any real difference between the two?

[QUOTE=colzac]Why does it seem the Eye 2's sell for more than the Zings? Are the Eye's a better club, less forgiving than the Zings?

Is there any real difference between the two?[/QUOTE]

The Eye 2's had numerous tour wins and lots of media coverage back in the day they’re also more conventional then the Zings when seen from address. The Eye 2's have the prestige factor of being the first cavity backs to take off on tour and an army of admirers to this day. The Zings may have been an improvement in terms of forgiveness but their appearance ensured they wouldn’t find favour with traditionalists. The Zings also had a problem with the KT shafts breaking on the first batch which hurt their reputation.

AJW pretty well covers all of the reasoning, excepting a couple of thoughts...

The Ping eye2's were revolutionary, to say the least. They were the equivalent of the first TaylorMade metal woods, IOW, so far removed from 'conventional' thinking that they shocked the world of golf. Like Mohammed Ali, they 'shook up the world!' They managed to be more forgiving for the low handicap player, yet they also allowed the high handicap player the ability to work the ball. they were really the best of both worlds.

Add to that the litigation between the USGA/PGA & Ping concerning the u-grooves vs. v-grooves, and you've got the stuff of legend.

Ping later made the Zing's, to be more forgiving (for the 'average' golfer). The thing was, for that time, the Zings were very radical, and were not as quickly accepted as the eye2's had been. They were the 'funky' clubs, where the eye2's had been the 'breakthrough' clubs. The Ping Zings were all about being even more forgiving than the eye2's. They did that with the sacrifice of less ability to work the ball.

This analogy may not make sense, unless you're also a car nut... but... the Ping eye2's were like the Porsche 911. They managed to capture the essence of a forgiving club that also allowed you to work the ball as you wished. To this day, both the 50 yr old Posche 911 & the 25 yr old Ping eye2 are classics of design - beautiful in their simplicity, yet innovative in their design. they both... just... work. Sure, they've been modified slightly several times, but their essence is the same as when they were first designed...

The Ping Zing is like every other Porsche that has come after the 911. Ask any purist, and they'll say - 'they're just not the same...'

That isn't to say that many people don't play great & love their Zings, as they certainly do. It's not that the Zing are bad, at all. Quite the contrary, they are very innovative, very forgiving clubs. The only 'real' complaints about them were that they 'looked funny'. It just seems that the Ping Zing is always going to be in the shadow of the Ping eye2.


And that's what this Ping-ophile thinks... I play eye2's. They are the object of my golf-design lust, and have been for years. To me, they are the essence of what an iron should be. That's why you see the latest Ping designs and they are all, ALL, merely tweaks (not necessarily any better) of the original Ping eye2 design. The ISI was the last Ping iron that wasn't a tweaked eye2, and it has been followed by what, 5+ other offerings? Look at several makes of clubs, and they ALL owe their heritage to the 25 year old Ping eye2.

I've played with ISI's, i3's, i3+'s, TaylorMade 200's, Cobra's, and lots of others. When I sat down in a sober moment & looked at all those clubs, one thing was obvious. They were all Ping eye2 derivatives.




To make sure this doesn't sound like an eye2 commercial, let me reiterate this - PLAY WITH THE CLUB THAT YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE HITTING. Re-read that.

PLAY WITH THE CLUB THAT YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE HITTING.

I don't care if it is a 20+ year old Ping eye2, or a Ping Zing, a brand new Titleist, or the $99 set of Dunlop's you bought at WalMart. If it works for your game, go for it. Forget about what others are playing. That's just feed for ego. What matters is what's on the scorecard, and your enjoyment of the game.

Go out there and have fun. That is what really counts. Make golf fun.

I totally dig swvaguy's review. Nail on the head -- from what I've heard.

The Zings (not the Zing 2s) were a bit of a flop popularity-wise (read: pros didn't adopt them).

The Zing 2s came out soon thereafter as a result of the "oversized iron" and de-lofted iron movement(s) that started in the mid-90s. Zing irons got caught in that marketing period -- and Eye2s were still hot at that time.

Zings were deemed the red-headed stepchild (from my understanding and listening to "gossip". Ping Eye2s were still selling like pancakes, IIRC.

This is when manufacturers started playing with the lofts and oversized was "hot" -- making the 48* PW and tuning it down to a 46*.

There's an interesting site that will display the lofts of irons. And that certain era comes into play when reading about irons and their lofts...and that heyday of Ping Eye2/Ping Zing/Ping Zing2.

I got the bookmark about the 731PMs that I was thinking about buying and reinforce the iron-loft(s) I'm referring to:

[url]http://www.equip2golf.com/specifications/specs_frameset.html?titleist/titleist_731PM.html~specs[/url]

Wishing good golf to all...

RS

I know they're different, there's no debating that. But I have always thought the Zing/ISI style to be function before design (of course) but also, for me, quite sexy. It's not everyone else's iron that all look exactly the same aside from the paint on the back. No, maybe not classical, but sexy in their own unique right.

As everyone's pretty much said though, if you can't stand to look at it you probably won't play it well. Loss of workability? Probably right on that note as well. I just love the look and always felt like I should jump in and defend my lady's honor. So here, I've finally done it and I feel better. Maybe it's akin to the bbw syndrome. I like the junk that club has in the trunk.:thumbsup:
And food for thought here: What's sexier than seeing that ball fly straight down the center of the fairway or drop in and stick in the middle of the green? Don't get much better than that. :D

Just my 2¢. Find your love and keep it.

BTW. Do any of the golf shops still let you demo clubs anymore? I can't seem to find a shop that even has a place to do it anymore. I don't want to spend $700 on a set of irons based on some review on the web or the brochure from the manufacturer. I want to hit a few. I thought it used to be every shop I went to did that and now I can't find even one.

Sorry, rant over. I guess you got 4 or 5¢ of MHO instead of 2. Sorry.

The Eye 2's are just such legendary clubs, I think they are quite a bit more desirable IMO

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[QUOTE=Corwin]I know they're different, there's no debating that. But I have always thought the Zing/ISI style to be function before design (of course) but also, for me, quite sexy. It's not everyone else's iron that all look exactly the same aside from the paint on the back. No, maybe not classical, but sexy in their own unique right.

As everyone's pretty much said though, if you can't stand to look at it you probably won't play it well. Loss of workability? Probably right on that note as well. I just love the look and always felt like I should jump in and defend my lady's honor. So here, I've finally done it and I feel better. Maybe it's akin to the bbw syndrome. I like the junk that club has in the trunk.:thumbsup:
And food for thought here: What's sexier than seeing that ball fly straight down the center of the fairway or drop in and stick in the middle of the green? Don't get much better than that. :D

Just my 2¢. Find your love and keep it.

BTW. Do any of the golf shops still let you demo clubs anymore? I can't seem to find a shop that even has a place to do it anymore. I don't want to spend $700 on a set of irons based on some review on the web or the brochure from the manufacturer. I want to hit a few. I thought it used to be every shop I went to did that and now I can't find even one.

Sorry, rant over. I guess you got 4 or 5¢ of MHO instead of 2. Sorry.[/QUOTE]


The words "sexy" and "PING" never should be applied in the same post.

Why has this thread been bumped? PINGs are GI POS shovels!!!

good reply to a 3 year old thread there Corwin. no doubt the other posters have been on here the whole time waiting for someone to post on it. RETARD

Ok. Didn't have to get mean. ;)
However:
1. Newer does not always mean better.
2. Tread got bumped just because this was the one I chose at random to vent my thoughts on the subject. I've seen so many of these threads over time and finally decided to state my thoughts. Just for the benefit of my own piece of mind.
3. I didn't say thin, sleek, streamlined, or anything like that. I truly love the look of Ping's offerings. The Zings in particular have a sexy look in the sense that they have curves and a very unique profile. Nobody should argue that point. Raw function with unique look and style. To me, that's sexy.

My humble opinion of course. You don't have to like the way the look because obviously you're not playing them.

[QUOTE=Corwin]Ok. Didn't have to get mean. ;)
However:
1. Newer does not always mean better.
2. Tread got bumped just because this was the one I chose at random to vent my thoughts on the subject. I've seen so many of these threads over time and finally decided to state my thoughts. Just for the benefit of my own piece of mind.
3. I didn't say thin, sleek, streamlined, or anything like that. I truly love the look of Ping's offerings. The Zings in particular have a sexy look in the sense that they have curves and a very unique profile. Nobody should argue that point. Raw function with unique look and style. To me, that's sexy.

My humble opinion of course. You don't have to like the way the look because obviously you're not playing them.[/QUOTE]

Hey Corwin

I wouldn't worry too much about SoonerBS. He's under a Mizuno spell right now and can't see past GFF. Besides he thinks Serena Williams butt is sexy. IMO the words "sexy" and "Serena Williams butt" should never be applied in the same sentence but each to their own. I guess, like the PINGS, Serena is not sexy in the classical sense, but she has curves and a very unique profile that make her sexy in her own unique right.

Pings are all crap IMO. I have hit other people's Pings before and the Zings were particularly dead feeling and unforgiving for such an oversixed SGI POS. My old set of Powerbilt TPS 7.0s absolutely killed the Zings in every department and were less than half the price. The only Ping that even remotely resembles a golf club is the s59. I actually thought they felt okay. But the Zings are the absloute bottom of the heap and anyone who thinks anything different is a sod laying hacker DB POS with no idea whatsoever.

P.S. Have to agree with BJ on the RETARD comment.

the old pings like the eye2 & zing are definitely for weekend chops that can't hit the broad side of a barn. however, their i3 blades, s59 & 58s are very good for cast. that's pretty much it though, and they'll never match the feel of GFF obviously. they do retain their value & are very durable though. when it comes to CAST, PING is the best IMO, callaway is junk no matter what clubs they make. their balls are good though, just ask Titleist!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Hey Corwin

I wouldn't worry too much about SoonerBS. He's under a Mizuno spell right now and can't see past GFF. Besides he thinks Serena Williams butt is sexy. IMO the words "sexy" and "Serena Williams butt" should never be applied in the same sentence but each to their own. I guess, like the PINGS, Serena is not sexy in the classical sense, but she has curves and a very unique profile that make her sexy in her own unique right.[/QUOTE]


Whenever I switched to Mizunos, they took 8 strokes off my score, so excuse me for being a bit biased on that point, lol.

I don't want a women who could smother me with her ample flesh, but I don't want to mount one I would have to worry about breaking either. I'd like me some Serena . . . . . judging from her last tournament, she also knows how to talk very dirty which is another turn on . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/lol6.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Corwin]Ok. Didn't have to get mean. ;)
[/QUOTE]

Don't mind BJ. It has been established on GR that he is the dick of dick. A spammer deemed him as such. Kind of like, if Kenny Perry called you a choke artist, it would carry a lot of weight when you considered the source.
In regard to the original question, Zings vs. Eye 2's, it's a "giant douche vs. turd sandwich" kind of thing.

s williams could stand to lose 10lbs, god did not skimp in the butt dept. for that woman, if you are a butt man, serena is your style if not then you cant appreciate it :) im a butt man so i can only dream. on to clubs, i play the i3 blade have for 5 yrs i dont ever see the day i give them up, i can hit any shot with those babies

[QUOTE=RightSide]I totally dig swvaguy's review. Nail on the head -- from what I've heard.

The Zings (not the Zing 2s) were a bit of a flop popularity-wise (read: pros didn't adopt them).

The Zing 2s came out soon thereafter as a result of the "oversized iron" and de-lofted iron movement(s) that started in the mid-90s. Zing irons got caught in that marketing period -- and Eye2s were still hot at that time.

Zings were deemed the red-headed stepchild (from my understanding and listening to "gossip". Ping Eye2s were still selling like pancakes, IIRC.

This is when manufacturers started playing with the lofts and oversized was "hot" -- making the 48* PW and tuning it down to a 46*.

There's an interesting site that will display the lofts of irons. And that certain era comes into play when reading about irons and their lofts...and that heyday of Ping Eye2/Ping Zing/Ping Zing2.

I got the bookmark about the 731PMs that I was thinking about buying and reinforce the iron-loft(s) I'm referring to:

[url]http://www.equip2golf.com/specifications/specs_frameset.html?titleist/titleist_731PM.html~specs[/url]

Wishing good golf to all...

RS[/QUOTE]

I played Zings for 14 years and they never disappointed. Long, straight, high flights.. good Ping shafts... and very hard to mishit if you were even CLOSE to 'on'... was never tempted by Zing 2's, as I knew they were stronger, lower lofts, etc.. I had the Zings figured out and didn't want to change..

lately in life, pushin' fifty, I'm actually becoming a better player and have switched to somewhat less forgiving irons.. sold my 14 yr old zings for $200 plus on Ebay, so SOMEBODY likes them.. :-)

[QUOTE=RightSide]
RS[/QUOTE]

hmm, that website makes a fool of me.. Zing and Zing 2 have same lofts.. but when I bought the Zings, the 2's were already out, and the pros in the shops all said they hit the ball lower and longer.. maybe just the head design..? Shafts?

who knows..

I just know the Zings were superb clubs and I posted a lot of 3 and 4 over par rounds with them... and since I cannot PUTT, I had to have been hitting it steady to post those scores.. :-) what would YOU shoot with 38 putts a round?

Hey fellas, If I wasn't a high handicap hacker to begin with, would I really be asking general questions about 10-15 year old clubs that you can only find on Ebay?

I'm just looking for some clubs that might improve my game a little and what the best choice might be? I'm currently hitting Tommy Armour 845s SIlver Scot irons w/ Winn DSI Grips and steel shafts, a Ping i10 black dot 7 iron, and the woods are new Walter Hagen 10 degree 460cc, a 3 which I think is 13 degree, and a 4hybrid at 24 I believe. The woods all have Aldila 65-R graphite shafts...which I've been told are decent.

By the way, now I'm looking at alot of King Cobra SSi II's. Basically, I'm trying to decide between those, Ping ISI K's, Ping i3 oversize, Ping G2 and G5 and mostly based on $$ and internet advice. I did have a chance to hit some clubs years ago at the local course. I remember trying the Zings and some Cobras and that they both seemed to take my mediocre stroke and narrow my lateral trajectory corridor quite a bit. So, now I'm just wondering what the opinions might be.

When I stopped playing back then, 8 years maybe, I was hitting low 90s to maybe 105 with the occasional break into the upper 80s if the gods happened to be throwing me a bone one day. Now I'm back more in the low 100s trying to break back down into the 90s and hopefully move past that into the 80s. That's my goal and I thought some one here might have a jewel of advice regarding the clubs I'm looking at.

So, hacker... Yes. But take a moment and remember you didn't pick up your first set of clubs and hit a 67 in that firs few years either.

Thanks again. And sorry to those whom I seem to be bothering.

From those sets the Cobra's are the obvious choice. Pings are strictly hacker shovels, but Cobra's are more players clubs. If you like the Cobras but want a more hacker friendly version, they have a sub brand which targets high handicapers called Titleist. Titleist to Cobra are the same as what Tour Special are to Srixon.

Wow. See, that was helpful. I really didn't even know that Titleist thing. I thought they were their own seperate thing. So it's like GMCs and Chevrolets, Hondas and Acuras or Nissan & Infiniti. (If I got those right) When I saw the SSis I thought they looked promising but I had heard much less about them than the Pings.

Thanks for the advice. We'll see what I can come up with.

[QUOTE=Corwin]Wow. See, that was helpful. I really didn't even know that Titleist thing. I thought they were their own seperate thing. So it's like GMCs and Chevrolets, Hondas and Acuras or Nissan & Infiniti. (If I got those right) When I saw the SSis I thought they looked promising but I had heard much less about them than the Pings.

Thanks for the advice. We'll see what I can come up with.[/QUOTE]
I should point out that not everybody would agree with my rankings of Cobras and Titleists, but the proof is there for all to see over the last couple years. Cobra Pro MC blades (used by Geof Ogilvy) v Titleist AP2s (used by Adam Scott). Not hard to see which club is for players and which is for hackers.

Corwin, how much are you playing? Do you have time to practice your game at least 3 hours a week, or do you just play a round or two on the weekends?

Not sure how to post the pics. But, this is the type of thing I was looking at:
no noticeable flaws, nicks, etc.

item specifics
Club Type: Iron Set
Brand: Cobra
Model: SS-I Condition: Used
Shaft Material: Graphite Dexterity: Right-Handed
Gender: Men Flex: Regular

UP FOR BID- Cobra King SS-I Iron Set 4-PW with ***Bonus*** USED CHIPPER CLUB INCLUDED FREE WITH THE IRON SET!!! The shaft is ALDILA HM TOUR REGULAR FLEX WITH MID-KICK - 75 GRAMS. The clubs and the grips are in very good condition!!

I've been going to the range a couple times a week and then hitting the course on Sunday. The consistency of that will depend on $$$ unfortunately. I don't have the cash to be constantly playing without seriously damaging my household living budget. But, when I can't put up any cash, I try to stop by the practice pitching/chipping/putting greens for a while.

And the budget for the clubs is.. as low as I can get away with and still gain better equipment. I suppose I could just keep hitting the Tommy's for a while. Otherwise, I was looking to spend $150 - $250 or $300 tops for new, used irons. Preferably closer to 150 which is wehre that set of SSi's are right now.

I want to be a player. I'm working on it. We'll see how long I can keep it up and still eat. ;)

[QUOTE=Corwin]I've been going to the range a couple times a week and then hitting the course on Sunday. The consistency of that will depend on $$$ unfortunately. I don't have the cash to be constantly playing without seriously damaging my household living budget. But, when I can't put up any cash, I try to stop by the practice pitching/chipping/putting greens for a while.

I want to be a player. I'm working on it. We'll see how long I can keep it up and still eat. ;)[/QUOTE]

If you are going to put in the time for practice, a player's cavity back or blade will help you to a better game better than any of the game improvement irons out there. You will struggle at first, but the more you practice, the better you will get.

If you have the money, buy you a game improvement set to play with and a set of blades to practice with. Whenever you get your confidence level up from hitting the blades well on the range and honing in your swing, then you can bag the blades and never look back at game improvement irons again.

That's solid advice probably. That's kinda the reason I got the Tommy Armour's. I read that they're considered by some people to be the middle ground. Cavity back but not so much that you lose the feel. Perhaps right now my money would be best spent on getting some shoes. Mine went bye-bye with my old clubs. I'm just slowly trying to get to where I can gain enough confidence in my swing to start making those fairways and greens again. ;)

So, what constitutes a game improvement club? Would that be my Silver Scot S? Or would the Cobra SSi's be more or less forgiving? Maybe I'll get a really forgiving set since my current irons have plenty of workability. Once I start hitting the ball staight then I can look to learning more finesse. That kinda what you meant?

Check out srixon they are going for peanuts on fleabay so they would be my best choice over the old crusty rusty irons your currently checking out

'Game Improvement' is one of the most misunderstood terms in golf. OEMs have been trying to trick hackers into buying their shovels by marketing them as game improvement, super game improvement etc. In reality these clubs will not improve your game at all. They may be slightly mopre forgiving, but provide no feedback and have no workablity so you can't really improve your game with them. The ultimate game improvememnt clubs are forged blades, preferably GFF. Using these will improve your game in two ways. Firstly the workability will allow you experiment with different shots and get meaningful results. Secondly the precise feedback provided by blades will help you understand when you have hit a good or bad shot. The OEM 'game improvememnt' clubs may help you with your scores in the short term, but you will quickly plateau at a mediocre standard. Forged blades may hurt your scores more in the short term, but will ultimately result in better ball striking and better scores in the long run.

GFF = Grain Flow Forged . . . . . a forging process only done by the hands of skilled Japanese workers all sons and daughters of great Samurai warriors and all working for Mizuno.

Would agree with nah !!! Once you go forged you never go back it's like making contact with a brick and trying to figure out what went wrong !!

Here we go:

Cobra SS oversized or
Cobra II Tour Oversized?

unfortunately not apples/applse - the SS have the Graphite Shafts (the one I posted above) and the Cobra II Tour Oversized have steel...but they're $40 less.

Anyone? Thoughts?

Don't really like either of them. The only decent Cobras are their recent Pro series (MB or CB). The ones you have listed aren't much chop. I'd go back to fleabay and do a search for 'Mizuno'

[QUOTE=Corwin]Here we go:

Cobra SS oversized or
Cobra II Tour Oversized?

unfortunately not apples/applse - the SS have the Graphite Shafts (the one I posted above) and the Cobra II Tour Oversized have steel...but they're $40 less.

Anyone? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I have Cobra SS oversized, humped shaft... Still like them after 15 years. I still play with this set once in a while and still hit them as well as my favorite Callaway X-16

[QUOTE=Corwin]Here we go:

Cobra SS oversized or
Cobra II Tour Oversized?

unfortunately not apples/applse - the SS have the Graphite Shafts (the one I posted above) and the Cobra II Tour Oversized have steel...but they're $40 less.

Anyone? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
If this is all you're looking at, go with the steel shafted clubs. From my exhaustive research, I've been able to determine that graphite shafts in irons are the domain of toddlers, geriatrics or extremely weak women. The numbers don't lie.

[quote=swvaguy]AJW pretty well covers all of the reasoning, excepting a couple of thoughts...

The Ping eye2's were revolutionary, to say the least. They were the equivalent of the first TaylorMade metal woods, IOW, so far removed from 'conventional' thinking that they shocked the world of golf. Like Mohammed Ali, they 'shook up the world!' They managed to be more forgiving for the low handicap player, yet they also allowed the high handicap player the ability to work the ball. they were really the best of both worlds.

Add to that the litigation between the USGA/PGA & Ping concerning the u-grooves vs. v-grooves, and you've got the stuff of legend.

Ping later made the Zing's, to be more forgiving (for the 'average' golfer). The thing was, for that time, the Zings were very radical, and were not as quickly accepted as the eye2's had been. They were the 'funky' clubs, where the eye2's had been the 'breakthrough' clubs. The Ping Zings were all about being even more forgiving than the eye2's. They did that with the sacrifice of less ability to work the ball.

This analogy may not make sense, unless you're also a car nut... but... the Ping eye2's were like the Porsche 911. They managed to capture the essence of a forgiving club that also allowed you to work the ball as you wished. To this day, both the 50 yr old Posche 911 & the 25 yr old Ping eye2 are classics of design - beautiful in their simplicity, yet innovative in their design. they both... just... work. Sure, they've been modified slightly several times, but their essence is the same as when they were first designed...

The Ping Zing is like every other Porsche that has come after the 911. Ask any purist, and they'll say - 'they're just not the same...'

That isn't to say that many people don't play great & love their Zings, as they certainly do. It's not that the Zing are bad, at all. Quite the contrary, they are very innovative, very forgiving clubs. The only 'real' complaints about them were that they 'looked funny'. It just seems that the Ping Zing is always going to be in the shadow of the Ping eye2.


And that's what this Ping-ophile thinks... I play eye2's. They are the object of my golf-design lust, and have been for years. To me, they are the essence of what an iron should be. That's why you see the latest Ping designs and they are all, ALL, merely tweaks (not necessarily any better) of the original Ping eye2 design. The ISI was the last Ping iron that wasn't a tweaked eye2, and it has been followed by what, 5+ other offerings? Look at several makes of clubs, and they ALL owe their heritage to the 25 year old Ping eye2.

I've played with ISI's, i3's, i3+'s, TaylorMade 200's, Cobra's, and lots of others. When I sat down in a sober moment & looked at all those clubs, one thing was obvious. They were all Ping eye2 derivatives.




To make sure this doesn't sound like an eye2 commercial, let me reiterate this - PLAY WITH THE CLUB THAT YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE HITTING. Re-read that.

PLAY WITH THE CLUB THAT YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE HITTING.

I don't care if it is a 20+ year old Ping eye2, or a Ping Zing, a brand new Titleist, or the $99 set of Dunlop's you bought at WalMart. If it works for your game, go for it. Forget about what others are playing. That's just feed for ego. What matters is what's on the scorecard, and your enjoyment of the game.

Go out there and have fun. That is what really counts. Make golf fun.[/quote]

This guy is a genius. Too bad he's no longer on this forum. I'm actually eyeballing a set of Ping Zing 2 red dot irons with JZ shafts. 3-SW for 150 near new.

[QUOTE=famousdavis][B]This guy is a genius. Too bad he's no longer on this forum[/B]. I'm actually eyeballing a set of Ping Zing 2 red dot irons with JZ shafts. 3-SW for 150 near new.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's what this forum is lacking these days. We have an abundance of smart asses ready to make wise cracks on every topic imaginable but a shortage of true golf equipment nerds. We need a few of those just to balance this place out.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]This guy is a genius. Too bad he's no longer on this forum. I'm actually eyeballing a set of Ping Zing 2 red dot irons with JZ shafts. 3-SW for 150 near new.[/QUOTE]

I think this forum has enough self-confessed "pingophiles" already.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]This guy is a genius. Too bad he's no longer on this forum. I'm actually eyeballing a set of Ping Zing 2 red dot irons with JZ shafts. 3-SW for 150 near new.[/QUOTE]
He may be a genius and a car nut but not a Porsche guy. A porsche guy would know that a 50 year old Porsche in 2011 would likely be the model 356, the model prior to the 911/912 series originally known as the 901's. Ping irons beginning with the Eye 2 remind me more of the VW/Porsche 914, a mid-engined targa that had a high-MOI with a perfect 50/50 front/rear weight distribution. Much easier to drive the twisties fast in a 914 than either the 911/912 or 356 so long as you didn't exceed, say, 90%. That high MOI meant that when your 914 lost traction in the middle of a slick corner, you had no idea whether you were going to get oversteer or understeer. I had three of them and a 356 and drove them all at 110+% and live to type about them. The 356 and 911 were akin to the most unforgiving forged blades with tiny sweetspots that would make you cream your jeans when you hit the center of the clubface but would put you in the boonies on heel, toe, fat and thin strikes.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Yeah that's what this forum is lacking these days. We have an abundance of smart asses ready to make wise cracks on every topic imaginable but a shortage of true golf equipment nerds. We need a few of those just to balance this place out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we really miss Lyle.

i picked up a ping zing 9 iron and hit a couple balls with it today at the store. first impression was "where the hell is the goddam ferrule?" i hit is solid and it felt like i hit a rock, the balls were ProV1's, feels just like my 20 year old Ping putter. not sure i could bag irons that look like elf ears.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Whenever I switched to Mizunos, they took 8 strokes off my score, so excuse me for being a bit biased on that point, lol.

I don't want a women who could smother me with her ample flesh, but I don't want to mount one I would have to worry about breaking either. I'd like me some Serena . . . . . judging from her last tournament, she also knows how to talk very dirty which is another turn on . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/lol6.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

You're a big strong boy, but.. I'd be more worried that Serena would break YOU.

:D

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I think this forum has enough self-confessed "pingophiles" already.[/QUOTE]
I hit them in the range and they felt like grapple. I'll be using the Taylormade tour burner irons against Big D. I bought a Taylormade tour preferred wedge so now the set is complete. I also got a Cleveland 12 black pearl 52 for my gap wedge.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I hit them in the range and they felt like[B] grapple[/B]. I'll be using the Taylormade tour burner irons against Big D. I bought a Taylormade tour preferred wedge so now the set is complete. I also got a Cleveland 12 black pearl 52 for my gap wedge.[/QUOTE]

Grapple is a verb, "to grapple", meaning what two muscular gay men do in an arena to excite an audience of less muscular gay men.

Grapa, on the other hand, is a noun. A very flavorful, deceptively powerful noun.

edit-- and what, no new driver, three wood, putter? Still playing the same old grapa, eh? Boring. :-)

[QUOTE=daveperkins]You're a big strong boy, but.. I'd be more worried that Serena would break YOU.

:D[/QUOTE]

She would break me, . . . . . . . . . . . . . and in ecstasy I would cry for more.


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[QUOTE=famousdavis]I hit them in the range and they felt like grapple. I'll be using the Taylormade tour burner irons against Big D. I bought a Taylormade tour preferred wedge so now the set is complete. I also got a Cleveland 12 black pearl 52 for my gap wedge.[/QUOTE]

All you need now is an R11 driver and we can start calling you Opie (Taylormade . . . . . . Taylor, . . . . . . . Opie Taylor? . . . . . . . . . . Oh, nevermind.)

Hey, FD, does the Cleveland Pearls have the zip grooves on them? Those grooves are pretty neat, but mine are already starting to wear down. Wedge still works good though even after they wear down.

[quote=daveperkins]Grapple is a verb, "to grapple", meaning what two muscular gay men do in an arena to excite an audience of less muscular gay men.

Grapa, on the other hand, is a noun. A very flavorful, deceptively powerful noun.

edit-- and what, no new driver, three wood, putter? Still playing the same old grapa, eh? Boring. :-)[/quote]

I spellled out cra-po-la but for some reason it came out grapple. Thanks for the explaining, though....

[quote=SoonerBS]All you need now is an R11 driver and we can start calling you Opie (Taylormade . . . . . . Taylor, . . . . . . . Opie Taylor? . . . . . . . . . . Oh, nevermind.)

Hey, FD, does the Cleveland Pearls have the zip grooves on them? Those grooves are pretty neat, but mine are already starting to wear down. Wedge still works good though even after they wear down.[/quote]

I've never liked Taylormade drivers. I went to the range today and the only thing I focused on was the last part of the downswing where the club meets the ball. I was hitting it great. The Cleveland CG12 black pearl feels great. I believe it has the zip grooves. It's one of the best looking wedges I've seen. I like a darker wedge because it appears to have less loft than, say, one that is chrome or satin.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I've never liked Taylormade drivers. I went to the range today and the only thing I focused on was the last part of the downswing where the club meets the ball. I was hitting it great. The Cleveland CG12 black pearl feels great. I believe it has the zip grooves. It's one of the best looking wedges I've seen. I like a darker wedge because it appears to have less loft than, say, one that is chrome or satin.[/QUOTE]

The two Cleveland wedges I bought are made of the black metal, too. I agree.

Back to the original question, comparing Ping Zings to Eye 2s would like comparing a dog turd to a horse turd. They're all crap, just different design.

[QUOTE=daveperkins;175798]hmm, that website makes a fool of me.. Zing and Zing 2 have same lofts.. but when I bought the Zings, the 2's were already out, and the pros in the shops all said they hit the ball lower and longer.. maybe just the head design..? Shafts?

who knows..

I just know the Zings were superb clubs and I posted a lot of 3 and 4 over par rounds with them... and since I cannot PUTT, I had to have been hitting it steady to post those scores.. :-) what would YOU shoot with 38 putts a round?[/QUOTE]

If i made 38 putts per round i would stop playing golf, altogether.:thumbsup:

[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rFquD21Tsoo/TLPYRb2DrkI/AAAAAAAAAVU/4gHnIRdXf3E/s1600/sewing-circle.jpg[/IMG] GR at its finest as always........

I have a set of Ping Eye 2 BeCu and no matter what else I try I always end up going back to them. They give me all of the feedback that I need and the wedges are still magical.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245036]I have a set of Ping Eye 2 BeCu and no matter what else I try I always end up going back to them. They give me all of the feedback that I need and the wedges are still magical.[/QUOTE]

You go back to your Ping Eye 2 Copper irons because they are the most finely-crafted irons ever made. I happen to have a bid on a set as we speak. The Ping Eye 2 iron has never been replicated. The combination of the BeCu head and ZZ-Lite (or Microtaper) shaft is absolutely perfect. It provides a soft, yet crisp feel both at the same time. The last time I went out with the Eye 2 BeCu irons I hit them brilliantly. Come to think of it I'd better go up my bid on those irons.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245051]You go back to your Ping Eye 2 Copper irons because they are the most finely-crafted irons ever made. I happen to have a bid on a set as we speak. The Ping Eye 2 iron has never been replicated. The combination of the BeCu head and ZZ-Lite (or Microtaper) shaft is absolutely perfect. It provides a soft, yet crisp feel both at the same time. The last time I went out with the Eye 2 BeCu irons I hit them brilliantly. Come to think of it I'd better go up my bid on those irons.[/QUOTE]

I had the Precision Rifle shafts put in many moons ago and have had no reason to go to anything else. The original shafts were to stiff for me. Added Ping oversized grips and I hit them as well or better than anything on the market today. To many gimmicks in modern golf club design so I've gone back to the basics. Good luck with your bidding and hope you win the auction.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245058]I had the Precision Rifle shafts put in many moons ago and have had no reason to go to anything else. The original shafts were to stiff for me. Added Ping oversized grips and I hit them as well or better than anything on the market today. To many gimmicks in modern golf club design so I've gone back to the basics. Good luck with your bidding and hope you win the auction.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I can tell by your name that you are a worldly person worthy of Ping Eye 2 BeCu irons. That doesn't mean that you would have any chance of beating me in a match but you can go forward now knowing that you are in great company.

Neither, fill your bag with Taylormade golf clubs and watch your scores go down

[QUOTE=mavrickv8;245172]Neither, fill your bag with Taylormade golf clubs and watch your scores go down[/QUOTE]

If you use Taylormade equipment the only thing going down is your brain cell count. Judging from your use of the English language I'm afraid you were born with a low count to begin with.

After seeing what's in your bag, is see you play nothing but garbage, another typical loser with no life, but his online life, lol. later moron

[QUOTE=mavrickv8;245202]After seeing what's in your bag, is see you play nothing but garbage, another typical loser with no life, but his online life, lol. later moron[/QUOTE]

This is the cost of fame. Every once in awhile you run into a stalker like this loser mavrickv8 who has nothing better to do than curse and be sexually explicit. He can't play golf and can't play in the game of life. Instead, he sucks his thumb and gets mad at those who have what he doesn't. Pathetic.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245213]This is the cost of fame. Every once in awhile you run into a stalker like this loser mavrickv8 who has nothing better to do than curse and be sexually explicit. He can't play golf and can't play in the game of life. Instead, he sucks his thumb and gets mad at those who have what he doesn't. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]

What is more pathetic, to be a loser or to defend yourself from said loser?

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245213]This is the cost of fame. Every once in awhile you run into a stalker like this loser mavrickv8 who has nothing better to do than curse and be sexually explicit. He can't play golf and can't play in the game of life. Instead, he sucks his thumb and gets mad at those who have what he doesn't. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]

What is more pathetic, to be a loser or to defend yourself from said loser?

[QUOTE=poe4soul;245237]What is more pathetic, to be a loser or to defend yourself from said loser?[/QUOTE]

Great point, well made. It was worth saying twice.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;245240]Great point, well made. It was worth saying twice.[/QUOTE]

Agred. Zing of the day from Poe.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;245247]Agred. Zing of the day from Poe.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree, that was a good one. Thank you for mentioning the Zing. I'm glad you like Ping clubs.

[QUOTE=mavrickv8;245172]Neither, fill your bag with Taylormade golf clubs and watch your scores go down[/QUOTE]
I still have a 425 tp r7 I just Love to hit. Told me exactly what I did wrong? Like playing it. Just kidding. Some of the prettiest irons I,ve had the pleasure to own, not. Was some rac cb satin finish irons, with satin finish px shafts. They were drop dead gorgeous. Couldnt hit them for crap.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245281]I have found replacements for my beloved BeCu Eye2s. I picked up a mint set of Titleist 755 and was stunned at how they performed. Also grabbed some Vokey wedges, 52, 56, and 60 and was dead on all day long and they were smoother than my legendary BeCu Eye2 wedges, which have stood the test of time as one of the all time great wedge sets.

Come to find out my Pings simply have to much offset for me now and I have been spending my time fighting them of late trying to prevent some nasty hooking. Add to that I have added 10-12 yards on all my irons with the 755s and it looks like I will finally have to retire my Pings.

BLUF Pings are wonderful performers and they have added variety to there line up and have added offerings for low handicappers but even the Ping Ansers I hit didn't feel as good as the Titleist and I can see why they have such a loyal following. I'm gonna hit a 910 D2 today and see if it will replace my G2, which I swore I would never give up. I love my Pings but I had the best ball striking round of my life with the Titleist. The torch has been passed.[/QUOTE]

Those 755s aren't really that great, it's just what you compared them to that made it seem like that.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245281]I have found replacements for my beloved BeCu Eye2s. I picked up a mint set of Titleist 755 and was stunned at how they performed. Also grabbed some Vokey wedges, 52, 56, and 60 and was dead on all day long and they were smoother than my legendary BeCu Eye2 wedges, which have stood the test of time as one of the all time great wedge sets.

Come to find out my Pings simply have to much offset for me now and I have been spending my time fighting them of late trying to prevent some nasty hooking. Add to that I have added 10-12 yards on all my irons with the 755s and it looks like I will finally have to retire my Pings.

BLUF Pings are wonderful performers and they have added variety to there line up and have added offerings for low handicappers but even the Ping Ansers I hit didn't feel as good as the Titleist and I can see why they have such a loyal following. I'm gonna hit a 910 D2 today and see if it will replace my G2, which I swore I would never give up. I love my Pings but I had the best ball striking round of my life with the Titleist. The torch has been passed.[/QUOTE]

Ditto the 755's. I snagged a cheap set a while ago and, after reshafts, love them. Then I got real cheap Vokeys in 52 and 56. Reshafted those wedges too and they are the best I've ever had. I'm not a Titleist shill, but the damn things are so cheap used that it is hard to resist experimenting with them. School is still out on drivers since I have 3 905's ( 2 T's and an R), a 907 D2 and both 983's ( K & E) that are all in the running. I just scored a 14* Sonartec 3 wood for $17 and that kicked the Tit fwy out of the bag. No Scotties for this boy, and I find Srixons to be much more friendly to my game than any of the Tits except the old model we used to call the "Black Titleist", a 100 compression wound wonder that I'm sure some old guys remember fondly. I think it was their last premium pellet prior to the Pro V's. Peace.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245287]My only concern is what works for me and not what someone else considers "great". I've been beating the pants off people with "great" clubs for years now with those Eye2s. Spent 5 years in South Korea where everyone hits forged blades and musclebacks and almost got rich taking their money because they couldn't hit them worth a damn but they sure were pretty. I hit the Eye2s because they worked for me but now that my swing has matured they have to much offset and I lose to many shots to the left.

I try to impress people with my game and not what I'm carrying in my bag. The Eye2s are the best selling golf clubs of all time for a reason and if I could get rid of the offset I would STILL be hitting them.[/QUOTE]

Are you FD's dad or brother?

I have found replacements for my beloved BeCu Eye2s. I picked up a mint set of Titleist 755 and was stunned at how they performed. Also grabbed some Vokey wedges, 52, 56, and 60 and was dead on all day long and they were smoother than my legendary BeCu Eye2 wedges, which have stood the test of time as one of the all time great wedge sets.

Come to find out my Pings simply have to much offset for me now and I have been spending my time fighting them of late trying to prevent some nasty hooking. Add to that I have added 10-12 yards on all my irons with the 755s and it looks like I will finally have to retire my Pings.

BLUF Pings are wonderful performers and they have added variety to there line up and have added offerings for low handicappers but even the Ping Ansers I hit didn't feel as good as the Titleist and I can see why they have such a loyal following. I'm gonna hit a 910 D2 today and see if it will replace my G2, which I swore I would never give up. I love my Pings but I had the best ball striking round of my life with the Titleist. The torch has been passed.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245290]Message to Mongrel and Mr. Continental: Do you guys have the Titleist Tri-Spec shafts in your 755 irons or is it something else. I personally love the feel of the tri-spec shafts.[/QUOTE]

Mine came with stiff Tri-Specs. They felt OK but I immediately reshafted them with Dynalite Gold SL S300's soft-stepped once. Same shafts I put in my MP-14's but not soft-stepped. They feel almost the same since the Mizuno heads are about 10 grams +/- heavier than the 755's. I am too old and weak to load heavy shafts like Dynamic Golds, have never bonded with Rifles, but can hit the Dynalight Gold superlites better than I've ever hit irons before--much better distance, trajectory and repeat-ability. Different sticks for different folks.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245306]What's your point?[/QUOTE]

FD is the Ping Eye 2 ambassador. I've never seen anyone else show the Ping Eye 2 love. :D

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;245282]Those 755s aren't really that great, it's just what you compared them to that made it seem like that.[/QUOTE]

My only concern is what works for me and not what someone else considers "great". I've been beating the pants off people with "great" clubs for years now with those Eye2s. Spent 5 years in South Korea where everyone hits forged blades and musclebacks and almost got rich taking their money because they couldn't hit them worth a damn but they sure were pretty. I hit the Eye2s because they worked for me but now that my swing has matured they have to much offset and I lose to many shots to the left.

I try to impress people with my game and not what I'm carrying in my bag. The Eye2s are the best selling golf clubs of all time for a reason and if I could get rid of the offset I would STILL be hitting them.

[QUOTE=mongrel;245285]Ditto the 755's. I snagged a cheap set a while ago and, after reshafts, love them. Then I got real cheap Vokeys in 52 and 56. Reshafted those wedges too and they are the best I've ever had. I'm not a Titleist shill, but the damn things are so cheap used that it is hard to resist experimenting with them. School is still out on drivers since I have 3 905's ( 2 T's and an R), a 907 D2 and both 983's ( K & E) that are all in the running. I just scored a 14* Sonartec 3 wood for $17 and that kicked the Tit fwy out of the bag. No Scotties for this boy, and I find Srixons to be much more friendly to my game than any of the Tits except the old model we used to call the "Black Titleist", a 100 compression wound wonder that I'm sure some old guys remember fondly. I think it was their last premium pellet prior to the Pro V's. Peace.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I had no desire to spend a ton of cash on clubs that depreciate by half after your first 18 holes with them. Looked at the Ping Ansers but at $1400 plus there was no way to justify the purchase. Clubs are just so overpriced now and NONE of them retain their value, with the exception of my BeCu Pings which have now been relegated to museum status as a conversation piece for the living room.

[QUOTE=mongrel;245285]Ditto the 755's. I snagged a cheap set a while ago and, after reshafts, love them. Then I got real cheap Vokeys in 52 and 56. Reshafted those wedges too and they are the best I've ever had. I'm not a Titleist shill, but the damn things are so cheap used that it is hard to resist experimenting with them. School is still out on drivers since I have 3 905's ( 2 T's and an R), a 907 D2 and both 983's ( K & E) that are all in the running. I just scored a 14* Sonartec 3 wood for $17 and that kicked the Tit fwy out of the bag. No Scotties for this boy, and I find Srixons to be much more friendly to my game than any of the Tits except the old model we used to call the "Black Titleist", a 100 compression wound wonder that I'm sure some old guys remember fondly. I think it was their last premium pellet prior to the Pro V's. Peace.[/QUOTE]


Message to Mongrel and Mr. Continental: Do you guys have the Titleist Tri-Spec shafts in your 755 irons or is it something else. I personally love the feel of the tri-spec shafts.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245281]I have found replacements for my beloved BeCu Eye2s. I picked up a mint set of Titleist 755 and was stunned at how they performed. Also grabbed some Vokey wedges, 52, 56, and 60 and was dead on all day long and they were smoother than my legendary BeCu Eye2 wedges, which have stood the test of time as one of the all time great wedge sets.

Come to find out my Pings simply have to much offset for me now and I have been spending my time fighting them of late trying to prevent some nasty hooking. Add to that I have added 10-12 yards on all my irons with the 755s and it looks like I will finally have to retire my Pings.

BLUF Pings are wonderful performers and they have added variety to there line up and have added offerings for low handicappers but even the Ping Ansers I hit didn't feel as good as the Titleist and I can see why they have such a loyal following. I'm gonna hit a 910 D2 today and see if it will replace my G2, which I swore I would never give up. I love my Pings but I had the best ball striking round of my life with the Titleist. The torch has been passed.[/QUOTE]

Mr. Continental, you are cleary an intelligent man for playing Ping Eye 2 BeCu irons for so long. My prediction is that you will tire of the Titleist 755 irons and go back to the Ping Eye 2s within a year. I only predict this because this is exactly what I have done time and time again.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245290]Message to Mongrel and Mr. Continental: Do you guys have the Titleist Tri-Spec shafts in your 755 irons or is it something else. I personally love the feel of the tri-spec shafts.[/QUOTE]

I have the Tri-Specs in stiff and they have been very accurate for me thus far. The clubs are practically brand new, the guy I purchased them from obviously couldn't handle them and left them in the garage.

I doubt that these will hold up over the long haul though so I'll probably grab an extra set since they are so cheap used.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245293]I have the Tri-Specs in stiff and they have been very accurate for me thus far. The clubs are practically brand new, the guy I purchased them from obviously couldn't handle them and left them in the garage.

I doubt that these will hold up over the long haul though so I'll probably grab an extra set since they are so cheap used.[/QUOTE]


I picked up a similar genre of irons in the Cleveland CG2 with Dynamic Gold shafts. I got them in mint condition at Play it Again Sports for $119. I took them to the range for the first time yesterday. They have very limited offset and seem to have perfect weighting. I have to say I was hitting them great at the range and they appear to be a 3 or 4 yards longer than my Pings. Very soft feel and great trajectory. I'll be bagging them in a four man scramble I'm playing in tomorrow. Pretty cool tournament. $4,000 potential cash prize in the putting contest and a new car on the hole in one hole. The tee prize was either Oakley sunglasses or Dryjoys. I chose the Oakleys out of fear the dryjoys were saddle shoes.

I also did something really stupid yesterday. I've been eyeballing the Callaway 2004 Big Bertha irons for some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger on a used set. I took them to the range along with the CG2 irons. Huge mistake. The Big bertha irons feel mushy and are hook machines. They were shorter than the CG2 irons by about 5 yards. I think it's because the Uniflex shaft is too whippy for my swing and I'm ahead of it and lose distance. Oh well...good thing golfmart has a return program.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245292]Mr. Continental, you are cleary an intelligent man for playing Ping Eye 2 BeCu irons for so long. My prediction is that you will tire of the Titleist 755 irons and go back to the Ping Eye 2s within a year. I only predict this because this is exactly what I have done time and time again.[/QUOTE]

Only time will tell but since the offset has been holding my game back I doubt I will allow myself to do so. As I said I was stunned at how well I was hitting these clubs, with little to no effort. With my Pings I was concerned with hooking and was always compensating for it, over compensating quite often, and that is no way to play good golf. Even my mishits with these aren't deviating much from my intended target line. Being able to take dead aim again makes a world of difference. And the additional distance isn't hurting either.

These are the first clubs that I have truly "liked" since my Eye2s and Titleist is known to make good consistent product so I think I'll stick with them.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245295]I picked up a similar genre of irons in the Cleveland CG2 with Dynamic Gold shafts. I got them in mint condition at Play it Again Sports for $119. I took them to the range for the first time yesterday. They have very limited offset and seem to have perfect weighting. I have to say I was hitting them great at the range and they appear to be a 3 or 4 yards longer than my Pings. Very soft feel and great trajectory. I'll be bagging them in a four man scramble I'm playing in tomorrow. Pretty cool tournament. $4,000 potential cash prize in the putting contest and a new car on the hole in one hole. The tee prize was either Oakley sunglasses or Dryjoys. I chose the Oakleys out of fear the dryjoys were saddle shoes.

I also did something really stupid yesterday. I've been eyeballing the Callaway 2004 Big Bertha irons for some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger on a used set. I took them to the range along with the CG2 irons. Huge mistake. The Big bertha irons feel mushy and are hook machines. They were shorter than the CG2 irons by about 5 yards. I think it's because the Uniflex shaft is too whippy for my swing and I'm ahead of it and lose distance. Oh well...good thing golfmart has a return program.[/QUOTE]

I tried the X-14s back in the day and hated them. Callaways are called "game improvement" clubs but everyone I know who plays them has not improved and seem to have a different set of Callaways ever few months lol. It's a Catch 22, if you improve your swing the clubs will penalize you for it but you'll believe it's your fault because the clubs are suppose to be so "good". And they are so overpriced for the quality that you are getting.

Good luck at the scramble.

[QUOTE=noshuz;245288]Are you FD's dad or brother?[/QUOTE]

What's your point?

[QUOTE=noshuz;245310]FD is the Ping Eye 2 ambassador. I've never seen anyone else show the Ping Eye 2 love. :D[/QUOTE]

I see. One would think that the best selling iron of all time would have quite a few admirers. I've been Pinging for twenty years now and have much love for them. You never forget your first love you just move on and it was time for me to do so.

Until I did the work to "tighten" my swing my Eye2s worked just fine. Now I am at the point of no return and will only improve further by going to a club with less offset. I expected some sort of learning curve with the 755s but they worked for me from the first swing and that suits me just fine. And the Vokey wedges have been "point and shoot" so far.

Of course it took me years to get to this point and to pretend that forged clubs from most manufactures are good for the novice is simply not true. The forgiveness of those early Pings kept even the poor golfer coming back because anything resembling a golf swing got the ball airborne and was far less embarrassing than hitting worm burners with forged stiff shafted blades.

Some people want to improve and do the work and some just want to play and have fun on occasion and the Eye2s allowed seasonal golfers to go out and play a decent round after a bucket of balls. They are the most copied iron of all time for a reason and I am simply giving the devil his due.:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245315]I see. One would think that the best selling iron of all time would have quite a few admirers. I've been Pinging for twenty years now and have much love for them. You never forget your first love you just move on and it was time for me to do so.

Until I did the work to "tighten" my swing my Eye2s worked just fine. Now I am at the point of no return and will only improve further by going to a club with less offset. I expected some sort of learning curve with the 755s but they worked for me from the first swing and that suits me just fine. And the Vokey wedges have been "point and shoot" so far.

Of course it took me years to get to this point and to pretend that forged clubs from most manufactures are good for the novice is simply not true. The forgiveness of those early Pings kept even the poor golfer coming back because anything resembling a golf swing got the ball airborne and was far less embarrassing than hitting worm burners with forged stiff shafted blades.

Some people want to improve and do the work and some just want to play and have fun on occasion and the Eye2s allowed seasonal golfers to go out and play a decent round after a bucket of balls. They are the most copied iron of all time for a reason and I am simply giving the devil his due.:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]


If you go to any other forum there's plenty of Ping Eye 2 fans.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245316]If you go to any other forum there's plenty of Ping Eye 2 fans.[/QUOTE]

Not many forums are as discerning as GR.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;245328]Not many forums are as discerning as GR.[/QUOTE]

I sold the Cleveland CG2s today to an asian dude driving a VW Golf. Go figure. Sold them for $225 and bought them 2 days ago for $130 including tax. Picked up a set of Ping Eye 2 + no + irons, 4-SW for $89. I'll need to replace the grips but I've already got 'em waiting. If you don't know what model the Ping Eye 2 + no + is well let me tell you. It's the model that came out only for a brief period in 1989 when the square groove legal battle between Karsten and the USGA was taking place. It was the new model Ping Eye 2 but still with the original square grooves. I can play them until 2024, so I got that going for me, which is nice. When I hit them indoors today I thought of that Neil Diamond song "Hello".

Hello my Pings, Hello
Just thought I'd say "hello"
It's good to play 18 with you
You're dot is red
and 2 degrees flatter than blue
Hello

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245296]Only time will tell but since the offset has been holding my game back I doubt I will allow myself to do so. As I said I was stunned at how well I was hitting these clubs, with little to no effort. [B]With my Pings I was concerned with hooking [/B]and was always compensating for it, over compensating quite often, and that is no way to play good golf. Even my mishits with these aren't deviating much from my intended target line. Being able to take dead aim again makes a world of difference. And the additional distance isn't hurting either.

These are the first clubs that I have truly "liked" since my Eye2s and Titleist is known to make good consistent product so I think I'll stick with them.[/QUOTE]

Large offset clubs promoting a hook is a bit of a myth I'm afraid. Whether you hook the ball or not has much more to do with swingplane and the attitude of the clubface at impact.
Large offset has the greatest influence on tradjectory. The bigger the offset the higher the ball will tend to launch for a given loft.

[QUOTE=oldplayer;245331]Large offset clubs promoting a hook is a bit of a myth I'm afraid. Whether you hook the ball or not has much more to do with swingplane and the attitude of the clubface at impact.
Large offset has the greatest influence on tradjectory. The bigger the offset the higher the ball will tend to launch for a given loft.[/QUOTE]


OP, with all due respect, I believe you are mistaken. Tom Watson has been arguing for years that he doesn't believe offset has anything to do with trajectory. I firmly believe this as well. As you well know, I have tried just about every iron out there. I have never seen any difference trajectory wise in offset clubs vs. non-offset clubs. In fact, some of the highest irons I've hit are musclebacks.

I believe that offset enables the average player to square the clubface on the downswing. I think it's easier to hit a hook with an offset club but I don't believe an offset club necessarily causes a hook. I think most guys that have problems hooking the ball have a fault in their grip or in their swing. They'd hook the ball no matter what they played.

I don't hook my Ping Eye 2 irons any more than I hooked my Titleist 990 irons (no offset at all).

[QUOTE=oldplayer;245331]Large offset clubs promoting a hook is a bit of a myth I'm afraid. Whether you hook the ball or not has much more to do with swingplane and the attitude of the clubface at impact.
Large offset has the greatest influence on tradjectory. The bigger the offset the higher the ball will tend to launch for a given loft.[/QUOTE]

I always thought that lowering the center of gravity and a softer shaft had a bigger influence on trajectory. These 755 still get up even though I have stiff shafts and I have yet to hook one.

[QUOTE=mrcontinental;245373]I always thought that lowering the center of gravity and a softer shaft had a bigger influence on trajectory. These 755 still get up even though I have stiff shafts and I have yet to hook one.[/QUOTE]

This is what Tom Wishon has to say on the subject:
[url]http://golf.about.com/od/faqs/f/offset.htm[/url]

If you are really interested FD read this thread [url]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/235105-what-does-offset-in-irons-really-do/[/url]
and you will see that the only sensible conclusion is that offset does not promote a hook and in fact helping to square up the face is a dubious claim. As one poster rightly says a clubhead travelling at 90mph cannot possibly gain extra rotation at impact because of 1/10th of an inch of offset.

It seems the best thing about offset is it places the hands in the correct position at impact. In front of the ball.

[QUOTE=oldplayer;245377]This is what Tom Wishon has to say on the subject:
[url]http://golf.about.com/od/faqs/f/offset.htm[/url]

If you are really interested FD read this thread [url]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/235105-what-does-offset-in-irons-really-do/[/url]
and you will see that the only sensible conclusion is that offset does not promote a hook and in fact helping to square up the face is a dubious claim. As one poster rightly says a clubhead travelling at 90mph cannot possibly gain extra rotation at impact because of 1/10th of an inch of offset.

It seems the best thing about offset is it places the hands in the correct position at impact. In front of the ball.[/QUOTE]

You are correct OP. Offset is primarily to improve the quality of the strike by helping the hands lead the clubhead through impact. Good ball strikers don't need offset. As far as I've noticed they don't necessarily promote a hook or slice, I'd guess the main reason guys hook offset irons is because that style of club usually comes with a soft shaft. Conversely, choppers slice blades because of the stiffer shafts. I personally have never liked too much offset, they just look worng to my eye. For all I know they hit the ball great, but I could never get comfortable looking down on them at address. I also don't feel like I can work the ball with offset. To move tha ball sideways when required needs a reduced offset so you can manipulate the clubhead.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;245213]This is the cost of fame. Every once in awhile you run into a stalker like this loser mavrickv8 who has nothing better to do than curse and be sexually explicit. He can't play golf and can't play in the game of life. Instead, he sucks his thumb and gets mad at those who have what he doesn't. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
All you're missing is to say that he lives in a basement and you've become Larry.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975;245402]All you're missing is to say that he lives in a basement and you've become Larry.[/QUOTE]


Thank you for pointing that out. Self awareness is very important. I must change.