The irons experiment

[QUOTE=dorkman53]
Any idea how much money Al Gore has made on his climate scam? (Hint....follow the money......)


I'm also saying that the "science" behind the global warming is flawed in design, and is morally bankrupt. The scandal in England bares the prostitution of science for political purposes.[/QUOTE]
This was one of the most scatter brained replies I have ever seen. Where am I supposed to be following the money? The money is big oil / energy. If you want to get paid, go make up some science disproving global warming and get on BP or Exxon's payroll.

BTW...Al Gore is a DB, but he does donate all of the proceeds from his book and dvd to saving the environment.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]That's why I like Ping products. Ping comes out with a new model maybe once every 3 or 4 years. Plus, they make their products in America. All of Mizuno's products look identical to the previous year's model and I'm sorry but it's getting old. Mizuno has yet to make a solid driver.[/QUOTE]
They don't make their products in America anymore. They have been steady moving their production to China for the last 5 years. I doubt any of their irons are cast in America anymore...possibly assembled here.

This is why clubs like the Ping eye2s and i3's are actually better than the newer models they have been putting out the last few years.

Being born and raised on a farm and living in the upper midwest most of my life I can say that no pigs run around farms anymore and can't think of the last time I saw a cow out in a pasture. Everything is being done now in huge corporate farms. Thousands of cows in a feedlot, hogs in barns and chickens in small cages not much bigger than they are. Have you noticed over the last 10 to 20 years that chicken doesn't seem as good as it was. They get no excersize thus no texture to the meat. Most of the hamburger comes from milk cows that aren't productive anymore so the are taken to slaughter. The amount of food produced has grown but the quality has gone way down. Most of this can be blamed on the old get bigger or get out mentality of the corporations. Where does most of the cost of food come from. It ain't the farmer. Take bread for an example. You can get 100 loaves of bread from a bushel of wheat. The farmer gets about five dollars per bushel, depending on what the market is doing. If you can get a loaf of bread for a dollar each do the math. Sorry for the rant but its all about who gets the money.

[quote=The Purist]They don't make their products in America anymore. They have been steady moving their production to China for the last 5 years. I doubt any of their irons are cast in America anymore...possibly assembled here.

This is why clubs like the Ping eye2s and i3's are actually better than the newer models they have been putting out the last few years.[/quote]

Yes the are made in America. I saw a new set the other day that had a little american flag sticker on the shaft. That's proof. :0

[QUOTE=The Purist]Awesome. You and Larry are both rocket scientists...You guys have a lot in common. [B] I was a biologist before I was a contractor.[/B] I only want you to disprove 3 things: 1. The greenhouse effect is real. 2.CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 3.Humans produce CO2 when they use oil products.

Anything else you want to bring up is likely a distraction to avoid answering the question, but feel free.[/QUOTE]

It's been painfully obvious none of the many contractors I've hired were scientists, rocket or otherwise. So as far as I'm concerned, this is my new standard for contractor intelligence. From now on I'm asking my potential contractors to explain photosynthesis.

[quote=The Purist]Awesome. You and Larry are both rocket scientists...You guys have a lot in common. I was a biologist before I was a contractor. I only want you to disprove 3 things: 1. The greenhouse effect is real. 2.CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 3.Humans produce CO2 when they use oil products.

Anything else you want to bring up is likely a distraction to avoid answering the question, but feel free.[/quote]

1) and 2)....

[URL="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/"]http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/[/URL]

3) Humans (and all other animals) produce CO2 when they breathe. The process of combustion in the presence of air and, by default, oxygen (not just of oil, but of any carbon based fuel source) produces CO2.

Of course the earth's climate changes. Anybody who claims otherwise is an idiot. This planet is about 4.5 billion years old and is known to have gone through AT LEAST 5 major (mass extinction causing) climate change cycles in the past 450 million years alone.

To assume that humans have drastically affected the climate of this planet since the dawn of the industrial revolution a mere 120 years ago is lunacy. The green movement is nothing more than a money and power grab perpetrated by goverment and business that plays on the innate sense of responsibility that most people have when it comes to "mother earth". At its core, it's a hoax that is taking advantage of a naturally occuring, cyclical phenomenon.

You want to take it deeper?

Bring it.

I majored in Chemistry, but I'm not f.ucking with Jeff on this, even if a couple of his rockets did crash.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]1) and 2)....

[URL="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/"]http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/[/URL]

3) Humans (and all other animals) produce CO2 when they breathe. The process of combustion in the presence of air and, by default, oxygen (not just of oil, but of any carbon based fuel source) produces CO2.

Of course the earth's climate changes. Anybody who claims otherwise is an idiot. This planet is about 4.5 billion years old and is known to have gone through AT LEAST 5 major (mass extinction causing) climate change cycles in the past 450 million years alone.

To assume that humans have drastically affected the climate of this planet since the dawn of the industrial revolution a mere 120 years ago is lunacy. The green movement is nothing more than a money and power grab perpetrated by goverment and business that plays on the innate sense of responsibility that most people have when it comes to "mother earth". At its core, it's a hoax that is taking advantage of a naturally occuring, cyclical phenomenon.

You want to take it deeper?

[B]Bring it[/B].[/QUOTE]

It was brought over a year ago, but feel free to start a new debate . . . .

[url]http://forums.golfreview.com/showthread.php?t=11820&highlight=greenhouse+effect[/url]

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]It's been painfully obvious none of the many contractors I've hired were scientists, rocket or otherwise. So as far as I'm concerned, this is my new standard for contractor intelligence. From now on I'm asking my potential contractors to explain photosynthesis.[/QUOTE]
I was a better biologist than I am a contractor. I was schooled in Biology (except for my first couple of years in Business). I had a string of jobs that I loved, but I had to follow the work. Everything was working out fine until I got married and the wife wanted to move back to our hometown. Now, I'm back in the family business. I don't have much of a passion for contracting, but I'm good at it.

[quote=SoonerBS]It was brought over a year ago, but feel free to start a new debate . . . .

[URL="http://forums.golfreview.com/showthread.php?t=11820&highlight=greenhouse+effect"]http://forums.golfreview.com/showthread.php?t=11820&highlight=greenhouse+effect[/URL][/quote]

Read a few posts.

Wasn't surprised by what I saw based on what has been written in this thread.

Feck it.

You can't fix stupid.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Read a few posts.

Wasn't surprised by what I saw based on what has been written in this thread.

Feck it.

[B]You can't fix stupid[/B].[/QUOTE]

This is so true and why you'll notice the thread is mostly devoid of my posts . . . . .

I do have to believe, however, that my 3 posts in this thread contributed the best input.

[QUOTE=The Purist]I was a better biologist than I am a contractor. I was schooled in Biology (except for my first couple of years in Business). I had a string of jobs that I loved, but I had to follow the work. Everything was working out fine until I got married and the wife wanted to move back to our hometown. Now, I'm back in the family business. I don't have much of a passion for contracting, but I'm good at it.[/QUOTE]

As an Italian, I wanted to avoid the family business but Yaz1975 stole my punch line.

It's sad you f.ucked up your career and marriage with a single move.

The world's your oyster, TP. Do whatever you want to do.

putting a set of mp-68s in the same bag as a thriver AND a lovett wedge should be grounds for castration by camp freddy.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]As an Italian, I wanted to avoid the family business but Yaz1975 stole my punch line.

It's sad you f.ucked up your career and marriage with a single move.

The world's your oyster, TP. Do whatever you want to do.[/QUOTE]

I knew you would understand. I might have come back to help out the Old Man anyway. TP loves the kids, but sometimes its nice to have family around to dump them off on.

[QUOTE=bjdrivers]putting a set of mp-68s in the same bag as a thriver AND a lovett wedge should be grounds for castration by camp freddy.[/QUOTE]

I am forced to agree, even if i shot a gross 68 i couldnt do this other than for the purposes of science.

How are you BJ, long time no hear

Edgey

[QUOTE=famousdavis][B]That's why I like Ping products. Ping comes out with a new model maybe once every 3 or 4 years[/B]. Plus, they make their products in America. All of Mizuno's products look identical to the previous year's model and I'm sorry but it's getting old. Mizuno has yet to make a solid driver.[/QUOTE]

Bollocks. Since 2005 they've gone from the G2 range to the G5, G10 and the current G15. That's 4 changes in product line in about 5 years. Maybe not as bad as Callaway or Taylormade who change their lineup every 6 months but still a change about every 12-18 months.

[QUOTE=The Purist]I knew you would understand. I might have come back to help out the Old Man anyway. TP loves the kids, but sometimes its nice to have family around to dump them off on.[/QUOTE]


Sure, who wouldn't create a life of disappointment and quiet desparation for themselves for the sake of some free child care and a couple of grand more inheritance. I do understand. I understand it's human nature to make most choices by default, but that there are other options.

I'm not saying to do anything differently, other than to ask yourself how you'd feel if 25 years later nothing's changed. If you're cool with that then rock on.

[quote=Kiwi Player]Bollocks. Since 2005 they've gone from the G2 range to the G5, G10 and the current G15. That's 4 changes in product line in about 5 years. Maybe not as bad as Callaway or Taylormade who change their lineup every 6 months but still a change about every 12-18 months.[/quote]

The G2 came out in 2004

Easiest answer to climate change we are seeing. Around 1800, a couple of hundred year phase called the Little Ice Age ended. It was a DRAMATIC cooling period. In fact, it effected the pilgrims when they landed here with very harsh winters and shorter than normal crop growing seasons. Lasted until about 1800. So what would logically happen after a cooling period like that? A warming period. It is a normal process the planet has exhibited all through history. The Little Ice Age I mentioned followed the Medieval WARM period. Imagine that. A cooling trend after a warming trend and a warming trend after a cooling trend. All this is about now is power and money period.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]1) and 2)....

[URL="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/"]http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/[/URL]

3) Humans (and all other animals) produce CO2 when they breathe. The process of combustion in the presence of air and, by default, oxygen (not just of oil, but of any carbon based fuel source) produces CO2.

Of course the earth's climate changes. Anybody who claims otherwise is an idiot. This planet is about 4.5 billion years old and is known to have gone through AT LEAST 5 major (mass extinction causing) climate change cycles in the past 450 million years alone.

To assume that humans have drastically affected the climate of this planet since the dawn of the industrial revolution a mere 120 years ago is lunacy. The green movement is nothing more than a money and power grab perpetrated by goverment and business that plays on the innate sense of responsibility that most people have when it comes to "mother earth". At its core, it's a hoax that is taking advantage of a naturally occuring, cyclical phenomenon.

You want to take it deeper?

Bring it.[/QUOTE]

My sentiments on the subject to a tee. The only way earth's climate could remain stable is if there were no atmostphere, i.e. a dead planet. If the climate where I live gets warmer, that means a longer golf season and that would be outasite. Hey Algore, why has my swimmer pool water's peak temperature declined from 88 degrees in 2005 to 78 degrees in 2009?

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]1) and 2)....

[URL="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/"]http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/[/URL]

3) Humans (and all other animals) produce CO2 when they breathe. The process of combustion in the presence of air and, by default, oxygen (not just of oil, but of any carbon based fuel source) produces CO2.

Of course the earth's climate changes. Anybody who claims otherwise is an idiot. This planet is about 4.5 billion years old and is known to have gone through AT LEAST 5 major (mass extinction causing) climate change cycles in the past 450 million years alone.

To assume that humans have drastically affected the climate of this planet since the dawn of the industrial revolution a mere 120 years ago is lunacy. The green movement is nothing more than a money and power grab perpetrated by goverment and business that plays on the innate sense of responsibility that most people have when it comes to "mother earth". At its core, it's a hoax that is taking advantage of a naturally occuring, cyclical phenomenon.

You want to take it deeper?

Bring it.[/QUOTE]
Jeff,

Just based on what you have written for answer 3. I am going to sort of agree with you partially. I don't think humans have [I]drastically[/I] affected the climate, but I think we have affected it.

The Earths temperature is going to fluctuate, one day a meteor or comet will hit the earth, one day a super volcano will erupt, and in about 4 trillion years the sun will start swell and eventually die out. $hit happens that is beyond human control. I get that. Some stuff is within our control...like CO2 produced by burning oil. We can either try to limit what we can control or we can say f*ck it.

I am not a champion for global warming. I understand that humans have been increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. I don't know what the ultimate consequences of the increase will be, but I know CO2 is greenhouse gas and that raising atmospheric CO2 can cause pH drops to the water it comes in contact with.

I don't know how to argue for a scientific consensus. I have a feeling that if believing the Earth was flat was a political issue your party believed in, there would still be no way for me to change your opinion on the subject. I bet you could even make a pretty convincing argument about the world being flat.

I don't have a problem with people who want to argue the social or economical consequences of restricting carbon emissions, but stop bashing the science. Bash the predictions of the extent of the effects, but not the fact that there will be effects.

The old blades versus cavity back debate. You'd think it had been done to death by now but it can still rack up 120 posts in pretty short order, with a little help from climate change of course. :) Will this debate never end?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]The old blades versus cavity back debate. You'd think it had been done to death by now but it can still rack up 120 posts in pretty short order, with a little help from climate change of course. :) Will this debate never end?[/QUOTE]

I think it's time we all just buried the hatchet. Play whatever you like although $600 a wedge is kind of ridiculous, Dorkman.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]The old blades versus cavity back debate. You'd think it had been done to death by now but it can still rack up 120 posts in pretty short order, with a little help from climate change of course. :) Will this debate never end?[/QUOTE]

I think that the debate might end one day soon, Kiwi. I think Edgey's experiment helped reinforce the opinion of some of us that the type of iron just doesn't matter that much. Also NaH admitting that shovels lowered his cap 4 strokes might quiet the debate. Plus, our most vocal blade Nazis seem to shoot in the 90's in GR sanctioned events, that doesn't exactly reinforce their credibility.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I think it's time we all just buried the hatchet. Play whatever you like although $600 a wedge is kind of ridiculous, Dorkman.[/QUOTE]

Hang on a minute. There is general agreement that irons don't affect scoring that much but wedge play certainly does. On that basis any wedge that allows you to play "all the shots" is surely justified , even at $600?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Hang on a minute. There is general agreement that irons don't affect scoring that much but wedge play certainly does. On that basis any wedge that allows you to play "all the shots" is surely justified , even at $600?[/QUOTE]

In this state I'm in, I'm pretty accepting of almost anything, but Dorkman's $600 wedges are pushing it.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]I think that the debate might end one day soon, Kiwi. I think Edgey's experiment helped reinforce the opinion of some of us that the type of iron just doesn't matter that much. Also NaH admitting that shovels lowered his cap 4 strokes might quiet the debate. Plus, our most vocal blade Nazis seem to shoot in the 90's in GR sanctioned events, that doesn't exactly reinforce their credibility.[/QUOTE]

Nice shot . . . . .

I WILL have redemption . . . . . . and it will be sweet.

Hi all

Went out today with the FT iBrids and my new Thriver. Shot an 81. I only missed 1 fairway, got up and down on a few and only had one 3 putt.

Once again my irons made very little difference to my overall score. In fact they only seemed important on the par 3's of which i made par on 3 out of the 4.

I think that for most players with a fairly consistant swing it probably doesnt matter what irons they hit. The most important thing for 7 - 12 handicap golfers is straight driving a reasonable short game and no 3 putts.

Just my 10 pence worth.

Edgey

[QUOTE=edgey]Hi all

Went out today with the FT iBrids and my new Thriver. Shot an 81. I only missed 1 fairway, got up and down on a few and only had one 3 putt.

Once again my irons made very little difference to my overall score. In fact they only seemed important on the par 3's of which i made par on 3 out of the 4.

[B]I think that for most players with a fairly consistant swing it probably doesnt matter what irons they hit. The most important thing for 7 - 12 handicap golfers is straight driving a reasonable short game and no 3 putts[/B].

Just my 10 pence worth.

Edgey[/QUOTE]

Sounds fair enough to me. Well said Edgey.

[quote=edgey]Hi all

Went out today with the FT iBrids and my new Thriver. Shot an 81. I only missed 1 fairway, got up and down on a few and only had one 3 putt.

Once again my irons made very little difference to my overall score. In fact they only seemed important on the par 3's of which i made par on 3 out of the 4.

I think that for most players with a fairly consistant swing it probably doesnt matter what irons they hit. The most important thing for 7 - 12 handicap golfers is straight driving a reasonable short game and no 3 putts.

Just my 10 pence worth.

Edgey[/quote]

I think irons can make a huge difference in how you score. If you normally shoot in the 80's and play with blades you probably miss the sweetspot 5 or 6 times in a typical round. Some of those misses would have had better results with a more forgiving club. Maybe you would have reached the green instead of the bunker. It does make a difference and people who normally shoot in the high 70's to low 80's have no business playing pure blades.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I think irons can make a huge difference in how you score. If you normally shoot in the 80's and play with blades [B]you probably miss the sweetspot [/B]5 or 6 times in a typical round. Some of those misses would have had better results with a more forgiving club. Maybe you would have reached the green instead of the bunker. It does make a difference and people who normally shoot in the high 70's to low 80's have no business playing pure blades.[/QUOTE]

Tell you what, I'm missing the sweetspot right now.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I think irons can make a huge difference in how you score. If you normally shoot in the 80's and play with blades you probably miss the sweetspot 5 or 6 times in a typical round. Some of those misses would have had better results with a more forgiving club. Maybe you would have reached the green instead of the bunker. It does make a difference and people who normally shoot in the high 70's to low 80's have no business playing pure blades.[/QUOTE]

I shoot some of the same scores with my 67s and 33s that I do with my 52s, so you'll have to excuse me if I call bullsh!t on this post.

[B]Edgey[/B], I agree with your above statement, my club has me at a 9.1 handicap now with the scores I have turned in since January 1st and I think with a little better short game, I could be golfing in the 70s regularly. It's not my iron play as much as it is my 100 yards and in game. It will come . . . . . . .

Dave, you'd best be practicing, big guy . . . . .

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I shoot some of the same scores with my 67s and 33s that I do with my 52s, so you'll have to excuse me if I call bullsh!t on this post.

[B]Edgey[/B], I agree with your above statement, my club has me at a 9.1 handicap now with the scores I have turned in since January 1st and I think with a little better short game, I could be golfing in the 70s regularly. It's not my iron play as much as it is my 100 yards and in game. It will come . .[/QUOTE]

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I hit an MP68 6 iron at the range last week. Did I hit it worse than my 6i? Yes. Was it THAT much worse? No. I think it matters most with long irons, and mishits would cause me a few strokes, but I don't think it would make a huge difference.

I feel your pain Sooner. I've been stuck in the 90s for a while now. The good news is, I am cosistently in the low nineties, I can't remember the last time I shot in the hundreds. My problem is 50 yards and in. It's poor chips, and 3 jacks that keep me out of the 80s. I am every bit as good of ball striker as most 80's players. A shaky short game can be a round killer.

You guys are all starting to talk nonsense. Of course irons affect score.

If you are having a bad day the muted feedback and lack of feel from those cavity back irons will tell you nothing. Consequently both your confidence and your swing will suffer. You'll start to miss fairways with driver and 3 putts will become routine.

The pure feedback and feel of GFF blades on the other hand will give you the immediate feedback you need to make the appropriate swing changes and within a couple of holes you will have regrooved your swing and be hitting them all purely out of the sweetspot. This perfectly grooved swing will then transfer to every other club in your bag from Driver to putter and your confidence will soar. The GFF blades will translate not only to great iron play but also to hitting every fairway and most GIR. Three putts will be a thing of the past and 8-10 footers will seem like tap ins. All of this will translate to much lower scores.

So how can you say irons don't affect scoring. Irons are critical to scoring and GFF blades are the key to unlocking your golfing potential.

Go look for some GFF blades on E-Bay right now - you know it makes sense!

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Read a few posts.

Wasn't surprised by what I saw based on what has been written in this thread.

Feck it.

[B]You can't fix stupid[/B].[/QUOTE]


You're right. You can't fix stupid.

But if you possess ENOUGH stupid you can get a job with FOX and run a website called junkscience.com quite easily.

Steven Milloy just REEKS of journalistic integrity... :rolleyes:

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy[/URL]

This is the guy responsible for claims such as these gems:

- There is no statistical link between second hand smoke and lung cancer
- Air pollution in the US is more of an aesthetic problem than a health problem
- DDT does not cause cancer
- Evolution cannot be explained beyond hypothesis and conjecture

That's a WHOLE LOTTA STUPID right there...



FON

[QUOTE=The Purist]Jeff,

Just based on what you have written for answer 3. I am going to sort of agree with you partially. I don't think humans have [I]drastically[/I] affected the climate, but I think we have affected it.

The Earths temperature is going to fluctuate, one day a meteor or comet will hit the earth, one day a super volcano will erupt, and in about 4 trillion years the sun will start swell and eventually die out. $hit happens that is beyond human control. I get that. Some stuff is within our control...like CO2 produced by burning oil. We can either try to limit what we can control or we can say f*ck it.

I am not a champion for global warming. I understand that humans have been increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. I don't know what the ultimate consequences of the increase will be, but I know CO2 is greenhouse gas and that raising atmospheric CO2 can cause pH drops to the water it comes in contact with.

I don't know how to argue for a scientific consensus. I have a feeling that if believing the Earth was flat was a political issue your party believed in, there would still be no way for me to change your opinion on the subject. I bet you could even make a pretty convincing argument about the world being flat.

I don't have a problem with people who want to argue the social or economical consequences of restricting carbon emissions, but stop bashing the science. Bash the predictions of the extent of the effects, but not the fact that there will be effects.[/QUOTE]


This.

Exactly.

The political discussions are all moot if we're not basing any of it on the facts and the reality of what's actually achievable. We know none of the current solutions will be enough (solar, wind, nuclear power) and we know that some of the proposals are just straight up money grabbing BS (Al Gore and his carbon credit scheme), yet we sit around wasting time arguing about other equally non-viable or irrelevant BS like the Climategate "conspiracy theory" which turned out to be baseless, The Little Ice Age, The Medieval Warming Period, etc...

These are all dead horse issues, bludgeoned to pulp long ago by our predecessors in this discussion. These arguments have been had before many times, by people far more knowledgeable on the subject than any of us, and have already been put to bed. Some people just aren't aware that these horses have been dead for quite some time now. That's why they think there's still a debate going on. The fact that not everyone is up to speed on the current state of the research is the only real reason idiots like Steven Milloy can rally support and create dissent among the masses. Even extremely intelligent people fall prey to the BS because of this.



FON

[quote=FreakOfNature]This.

Exactly.

The political discussions are all moot if we're not basing any of it on the facts and the reality of what's actually achievable. We know none of the current solutions will be enough (solar, wind, nuclear power) and we know that some of the proposals are just straight up money grabbing BS (Al Gore and his carbon credit scheme), yet we sit around wasting time arguing about other equally non-viable or irrelevant BS like the Climategate "conspiracy theory" which turned out to be baseless, The Little Ice Age, The Medieval Warming Period, etc...

These are all dead horse issues, bludgeoned to pulp long ago by our predecessors in this discussion. These arguments have been had before many times, by people far more knowledgeable on the subject than any of us, and have already been put to bed. Some people just aren't aware that these horses have been dead for quite some time now. That's why they think there's still a debate going on. The fact that not everyone is up to speed on the current state of the research is the only real reason idiots like Steven Milloy can rally support and create dissent among the masses. Even extremely intelligent people fall prey to the BS because of this.



FON[/quote]

So......

Is the fact that higher concentrations of CO2 will theoretically elongate the growing season and produce faster growing vegetation lost on you?

For the argument of max sustained global populaton, global warming is good in that it would foster a more plentiful and faster regenerating agriculturally based food supply.

Oh...and please don't waste time dissing Fox News. Please. CNN and MSNBC are FAR more biased...albeit in the opposite direction.

[quote=FreakOfNature]You're right. You can't fix stupid.

But if you possess ENOUGH stupid you can get a job with FOX and run a website called junkscience.com quite easily.

Steven Milloy just REEKS of journalistic integrity... :rolleyes:

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy[/URL]

This is the guy responsible for claims such as these gems:

- There is no statistical link between second hand smoke and lung cancer
- Air pollution in the US is more of an aesthetic problem than a health problem
- DDT does not cause cancer
- Evolution cannot be explained beyond hypothesis and conjecture

That's a WHOLE LOTTA STUPID right there...



FON[/quote]

What are your qualifications?

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]So......

Is the fact that higher concentrations of CO2 will theoretically elongate the growing season and produce faster growing vegetation lost on you?

For the argument of max sustained global populaton, global warming is good in that it would foster a more plentiful and faster regenerating agriculturally based food supply.

Oh...and please don't waste time dissing Fox News. Please. CNN and MSNBC are FAR more biased...albeit in the opposite direction.[/QUOTE]


I fully acknowledge that higher concentrations of CO2 (all else remaining equal) will elongate the growing seasons. The problem is that all else will not remain equal. You increase the CO2 in the atmosphere - you raise the temperature. You raise the temperature - you melt ice. You melt ice - you disrupt things like ocean currents, weather patterns, cloud cover, precipitation, ocean pH and salinity... you make one thing better and five things worse. That's a net loss, not a net gain.

The benefits of climate change will be just as localized as the effects we're seeing now. Some areas will be winners, some losers. You should look into which areas are going to be the losers. You think terrorism is bad now? Wait until those fukkers are starving and know who to blame for it. You and I, sitting here on GR debating as polar opposites - they won't even see us as different. They won't discriminate. They'll just wage war on the whole lot of us for being the reason they can't grow a small personal garden and raise a few livestock to directly support their families. That's how sh!t gets done in the third world.

Anyways... I don't get ANY of my news from American stations. I'm Canadian and I'll take CBC, CTV, or the BBC over any of your media EVERY TIME. There is very little bias in the Canadian media. Not even enough to be worth pointing out.

And BTW, I wasn't dissing FOX - I dissed that moron Steven Milloy. He deserves it.



FON

I appreciate this debate as I'm an uninformed turd. Carry on.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]What are your qualifications?[/QUOTE]


Well... I'm not a rocket scientist, if that's what you mean.

The more relevant question would be: "What are the qualifications of your sources?"

But I am personally university educated enough in geology and paleontology to tell you that Steven Milloy hasn't got a damn clue about evolution. If you can fukk up on something so obvious as evolution - in the face of such an enormous abundance of evidence, then you qualify for moron status. Unequivocally.



FON

[quote=FreakOfNature]I fully acknowledge that higher concentrations of CO2 (all else remaining equal) will elongate the growing seasons. The problem is that all else will not remain equal. You increase the CO2 in the atmosphere - you raise the temperature. [b]You raise the temperature - you melt ice. You melt ice - you disrupt things like ocean currents, weather patterns, cloud cover, precipitation, ocean pH and salinity... you make one thing better and five things worse. That's a net loss, not a net gain.[/b]

The benefits of climate change will be just as localized as the effects we're seeing now. [b]Some areas will be winners, some losers. You should look into which areas are going to be the losers. You think terrorism is bad now? Wait until those fukkers are starving and know who to blame for it[/b]. You and I, sitting here on GR debating as polar opposites - they won't even see us as different. They won't discriminate. They'll just wage war on the whole lot of us for being the reason they can't grow a small personal garden and raise a few livestock to directly support their families. That's how sh!t gets done in the third world.

Anyways... I don't get ANY of my news from American stations. I'm Canadian and I'll take CBC, CTV, or the BBC over any of your media EVERY TIME. There is very little bias in the Canadian media. Not even enough to be worth pointing out.

And BTW, I wasn't dissing FOX - I dissed that moron Steven Milloy. He deserves it.



FON[/quote]

Qualify the bolded statements. With facts. That means no links to Wikipedia.

Before you do, try an experiment:

Put an ice cube in a half full glass of water and then cover the glass with plastic wrap. Draw a line on the outside of the glass at the water line with a grease pen or a Sharpie or whatever. Let the ice melt. Report back on what happened to the water level.

A far as terorists go......

In case you hadn't noticed, terrorists wage war on all non muslims indiscriminately as it is. If (when) they come knocking on my door, I'm quite prepared. Are you?

[quote=FreakOfNature]Well... I'm not a rocket scientist, if that's what you mean.

The more relevant question would be: "What are the qualifications of your sources?"

[[b]But I am personally university educated enough in geology and paleontology to tell you that Steven Milloy hasn't got a damn clue about evolution.[/b] If you can fukk up on something so obvious as evolution - in the face of such an enormous abundance of evidence, then you qualify for moron status. Unequivocally.



FON[/quote]

Steven Milloy and his musings on evolution don't have a goddam thing to do with this discussion.

[quote=FreakOfNature]Well... I'm not a rocket scientist, if that's what you mean.

The more relevant question would be: "What are the qualifications of your sources?"

But I am personally university educated enough in geology and paleontology to tell you that Steven Milloy hasn't got a damn clue about evolution. If you can fukk up on something so obvious as evolution - in the face of such an enormous abundance of evidence, then you qualify for moron status. Unequivocally.



FON[/quote]

On second thought.....

I'm done.

Believe what you want.

It doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Qualify the bolded statements. With facts. That means no links to Wikipedia.[/QUOTE]

Right. There are no facts on Wikipedia.

[QUOTE]Before you do, try an experiment:

Put an ice cube in a half full glass of water and then cover the glass with plastic wrap. Draw a line on the outside of the glass at the water line with a grease pen or a Sharpie or whatever. Let the ice melt. Report back on what happened to the water level.[/QUOTE]

You expect the water level to not rise... how quaint. Ice is water too. Water is at its maximum density at 4C, water above and below that temperature is less dense and this is why ice floats. Did you know water is the only substance known to man to do this (decrease in density from its liquid form to its solid form)?

I live in a place where we have this thing called winter. It happens at that time of year when you tend to see lots of elderly Canadians in Florida where you live. What happens up here is this that air temperatures sometimes drop below freezing and large bodies of water tend to accumulate ice on their surfaces - over time it even gets thick enough for a man to pretend he's Jesus and walk upon it. When air temperatures fall below freezing, we no longer get rain, we get snow instead - and it's just before this happens that the majority of elderly people flee the country. Sometimes the snow can build up to a few feet in depth before the air temperature warms up enough to melt it. That's where it gets interesting...

When spring arrives and the air temperatures become warm enough to melt the snow, we get runoff. Lots of it. Enough to make rivers swell over their banks producing flood conditions even (which I get to see yearly since my backyard is a river). Sometimes this flooding even happens in spite of the fact that it hasn't rained... Where did all that water come from? Frozen accumulation on the ground perhaps?

[QUOTE]A far as terorists go......

In case you hadn't noticed, terrorists wage war on all non muslims indiscriminately as it is. If (when) they come knocking on my door, I'm quite prepared. Are you?[/QUOTE]

I can shoot the eyes out of a deer at 300 yards if my Lee Enfield .303 is properly sighted in. If that one jams or breaks (which I doubt it will because I know how to maintain my firearms properly) I could always use the Ithaca 12 gauge semi-auto, or the Mossberg 20 gauge, or in a pinch the Mossberg .410 or the Remington Nylon 66 .22 cal 15 shot semi I have in the cabinet. Yep, I think I'm ready.



FON

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Steven Milloy and his musings on evolution don't have a goddam thing to do with this discussion.[/QUOTE]


Steven Milloy's (lack of) credibility on matters of science have everything to do with this discussion when you start linking to his site to back up your position - on the science.



FON

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]On second thought.....

I'm done.

Believe what you want.

It doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough. I'll leave it alone if you do.

Credit to you for being a worthy adversary.



FON

[quote=FreakOfNature]Right. There are no facts on Wikipedia.



You expect the water level to not rise... how quaint. Ice is water too. Water is at its maximum density at 4C, water above and below that temperature is less dense and this is why ice floats. Did you know water is the only substance known to man to do this (decrease in density from its liquid form to its solid form)?

I live in a place where we have this thing called winter. It happens at that time of year when you tend to see lots of elderly Canadians in Florida where you live. What happens up here is this that air temperatures sometimes drop below freezing and large bodies of water tend to accumulate ice on their surfaces - over time it even gets thick enough for a man to pretend he's Jesus and walk upon it. When air temperatures fall below freezing, we no longer get rain, we get snow instead - and it's just before this happens that the majority of elderly people flee the country. Sometimes the snow can build up to a few feet in depth before the air temperature warms up enough to melt it. That's where it gets interesting...

When spring arrives and the air temperatures become warm enough to melt the snow, we get runoff. Lots of it. Enough to make rivers swell over their banks producing flood conditions even (which I get to see yearly since my backyard is a river). Sometimes this flooding even happens in spite of the fact that it hasn't rained... Where did all that water come from? Frozen accumulation on the ground perhaps?



I can shoot the eyes out of a deer at 300 yards if my Lee Enfield .303 is properly sighted in. If that one jams or breaks (which I doubt it will because I know how to maintain my firearms properly) I could always use the Ithaca 12 gauge semi-auto, or the Mossberg 20 gauge, or in a pinch the Mossberg .410 or the Remington Nylon 66 .22 cal 15 shot semi I have in the cabinet. Yep, I think I'm ready.



FON[/quote]

You're so pre-occupied with being sarcastic that you missed the point.

Keep thinking......

Oh.....and 2 out of 5 ain't bad.

Like I said above....

I'm out.

C ya

[quote=FreakOfNature]Steven Milloy's (lack of) credibility on matters of science have everything to do with this discussion when you start linking to his site to back up your position - on the science.



FON[/quote]

Feck.....

Couple of more points. You keep posting so I must as well........

Au contraire......

You brought up the matter of his credibility in several subjects....

But not one of them was related to climate science.

And the only reference you provided was from Wikipedia.

Not a credible source.

FON has officially been owned...

Let's carry FON out lads; RIP...

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[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Feck.....

Couple of more points. You keep posting so I must as well........

Au contraire......

You brought up the matter of his credibility in several subjects....

But not one of them was related to climate science.

And the only reference you provided was from Wikipedia.

Not a credible source.[/QUOTE]


Oh come on man... LOL

NO MORE!!!!!

Wikipedia has the references cited at the bottom of the article FFS...

This time - I am seriously done.

For tonight. :D



FON

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature]Fair enough. I'll leave it alone if you do.

Credit to you for being a worthy adversary.



FON[/QUOTE]

It's my turn now b!tch. How can any retard believe in evolution?

I wrote a college thesis, called "Fools Gould" and I got a B+ in the most liberal city in the country probably; you generally fail out on this topic... All evolutionists, like Gould just keep babbling that evolution is a fact; they repeat the mantra a million times, as in the 1997 Discovery article where he was a retard saying evolution was a fact around 15 times, without evidence.

Fact: you FON say life evolved from nonlife by chance chemical spontaneous generation. In the real world you don't live in, life only comes from life, and scientists agree that it is impossible to form the complex genetic code by chance.

Fact: you FON say fossils should show simple life forms originating gradually with transitional forms linking previous ones. In the real world you don't live in, fossils show sudden appearance of complex life in great variety and, there should be trillions of linking forms found, but there are none, but only those fake links made up to continue the myth of evolution; I dare you FON to show me one real link.

Fact: you, FON, say that mutations are beneficial to evolutionary development, but in the real world, where you don't live apparently, mutations are harmful to complex life, and large ones are lethal; no mutation has ever resulted in anything new.

Most important right below...

Fact: you FON, say that language evolved from simple animal sounds into complex modern languages. In the real world, our languages are devolving, and less complex than ancient languages. The ancient languages are much more complex than our current languages, so where is your little theory now, b!tch?

You don't have to be religious, but anyone that sees a hummingbird fly backwards at a thousand beats a minute, has to be a retard to think that the hummingbird came about by blind chance, and then these retards look at a cardboard box, and say, "Oh look! Someone made that!"

Freaking retards, all of you...

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]You guys are all starting to talk nonsense. Of course irons affect score.

If you are having a bad day the muted feedback and lack of feel from those cavity back irons will tell you nothing. Consequently both your confidence and your swing will suffer. You'll start to miss fairways with driver and 3 putts will become routine.

The pure feedback and feel of GFF blades on the other hand will give you the immediate feedback you need to make the appropriate swing changes and within a couple of holes you will have regrooved your swing and be hitting them all purely out of the sweetspot. This perfectly grooved swing will then transfer to every other club in your bag from Driver to putter and your confidence will soar. The GFF blades will translate not only to great iron play but also to hitting every fairway and most GIR. Three putts will be a thing of the past and 8-10 footers will seem like tap ins. All of this will translate to much lower scores.

So how can you say irons don't affect scoring. Irons are critical to scoring and GFF blades are the key to unlocking your golfing potential.

Go look for some GFF blades on E-Bay right now - you know it makes sense![/QUOTE]

This post has brought a tear to my eye.

Magical stuff Kiwi

Edgey

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You have to give Callaway some credit for coming out with the [B]Big Bertha [/B]back in 1991. It was a groundbreaking club in its design and size and was truly easier to hit than other models. They broke new ground with the Great Big Bertha as well. I remember back in the early 90's when it wasn't a rarity to have every player in your foursome playing with a big bertha driver. I think Taylormade is way more shameful with the number of drivers and clubs they put out every year. Meanwhile, Mizuno still has yet to put out a decent driver.[/QUOTE]
I remember back when this new driver came out and it was like $400 in 1991, almost everyone wanted one, I just started playing and we had an outing in my development . One young doctor bought it and everyone was envy at how easy and how far he can hit... now there are too many good clubs, just find the one that fit our swing, especially with new shaft technology nowaday. I think better clubs make the game more enjoyable and more popular

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie]It's my turn now b!tch. How can any retard believe in evolution?

I wrote a college thesis, called "Fools Gould" and I got a B+ in the most liberal city in the country probably; you generally fail out on this topic... All evolutionists, like Gould just keep babbling that evolution is a fact; they repeat the mantra a million times, as in the 1997 Discovery article where he was a retard saying evolution was a fact around 15 times, without evidence.

Fact: you FON say life evolved from nonlife by chance chemical spontaneous generation. In the real world you don't live in, life only comes from life, and scientists agree that it is impossible to form the complex genetic code by chance.

Fact: you FON say fossils should show simple life forms originating gradually with transitional forms linking previous ones. In the real world you don't live in, fossils show sudden appearance of complex life in great variety and, there should be trillions of linking forms found, but there are none, but only those fake links made up to continue the myth of evolution; I dare you FON to show me one real link.

Fact: you, FON, say that mutations are beneficial to evolutionary development, but in the real world, where you don't live apparently, mutations are harmful to complex life, and large ones are lethal; no mutation has ever resulted in anything new.

Most important right below...

Fact: you FON, say that language evolved from simple animal sounds into complex modern languages. In the real world, our languages are devolving, and less complex than ancient languages. The ancient languages are much more complex than our current languages, so where is your little theory now, b!tch?

You don't have to be religious, but anyone that sees a hummingbird fly backwards at a thousand beats a minute, has to be a retard to think that the hummingbird came about by blind chance, and then these retards look at a cardboard box, and say, "Oh look! Someone made that!"

Freaking retards, all of you...[/QUOTE]

Nicely done, Spank.

You guys don't make me enter an evolution vs. creation debate because I'll blow the evolutionists out of the water much like Spank has just done. Creationism has been called a fairy tale, but it is no bigger a fairy tale than those who believe that the cosmos and everything in them all came from a particle, no bigger than a period, exploded and everything just evolved from there. THAT is fairy tale and those who believe it are simply using their heads as hat racks . . . . . . .

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Nicely done, Spank.

You guys don't make me enter an evolution vs. creation debate because I'll blow the evolutionists out of the water much like Spank has been done. Creationism has been called a fairy tale, but it is no bigger a fairy tale than those who believe that the cosmos and everything in them all came from a particle, no bigger than a period, exploded and everything just evolved from there. THAT is fairy tale and those who believe it are simply using their heads as hat racks . . . . . . .[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you on this one Sooner.

Everybody knows the Earth was created in literally 6 days about 5,000 years ago. You can't trust chemistry...chemistry is nothing but a science, and science is nothing more than a collection of theories compiled by nut jobs that support their evidence with biased experiments.

I love how guys want to bring up Dinosaur bones...ha...those things were scattered by the devil to deceive man. Other Wacos like to bring up DNA. Let me tell you there is no such thing as DNA, and if there was, I'm sure the democrats would have you believe it causes cancer.

Plus where are all the transitional fossils?...I mean if all things evolved from the same bacteria shouldn't there be some half fly- half human fossils or something. Maybe a half monkey - half snake.

Trust me Creationism is real...I had it all explained by a Doctor who got his PHD from Mumbi Christian Academy of Science in India. I am pretty sure a Dr. in Science knows what he is talking about.

[QUOTE=The Purist]I have to agree with you on this one Sooner.

Everybody knows the Earth was created in literally 6 days about 5,000 years ago. You can't trust chemistry...chemistry is nothing but a science, and science is nothing more than a collection of theories compiled by nut jobs that support their evidence with biased experiments.

I love how guys want to bring up Dinosaur bones...ha...those things were scattered by the devil to deceive man. Other Wacos like to bring up DNA. Let me tell you there is no such thing as DNA, and if there was, I'm sure the democrats would have you believe it causes cancer.

Plus where are all the transitional fossils?...I mean if all things evolved from the same bacteria shouldn't there be some half fly- half human fossils or something. Maybe a half monkey - half snake.

Trust me Creationism is real...I had it all explained by a Doctor who got his PHD from Mumbi Christian Academy of Science in India. I am pretty sure a Dr. in Science knows what he is talking about.[/QUOTE]

God, creationism, Darwinism this thread could break 200 at this rate. :eek: :D

Hell all we need is some gem from Liarry and a comment on abortion and i could be in for GRPOTY

Edgey

[QUOTE=The Purist]I have to agree with you on this one Sooner.

Everybody knows the Earth was created in literally 6 days about 5,000 years ago. You can't trust chemistry...chemistry is nothing but a science, and science is nothing more than a collection of theories compiled by nut jobs that support their evidence with biased experiments.

I love how guys want to bring up Dinosaur bones...ha...those things were scattered by the devil to deceive man. Other Wacos like to bring up DNA. Let me tell you there is no such thing as DNA, and if there was, I'm sure the democrats would have you believe it causes cancer.

Plus where are all the transitional fossils?...I mean if all things evolved from the same bacteria shouldn't there be some half fly- half human fossils or something. Maybe a half monkey - half snake.

Trust me Creationism is real...I had it all explained by a Doctor who got his PHD from Mumbi Christian Academy of Science in India. I am pretty sure a Dr. in Science knows what he is talking about.[/QUOTE]

The gauntlet has been thrown down and round one shall commence . . . . . . . . . I prefer baby steps:

According to the General Theory of Evolution, about 14 billion years ago “all the matter in the universe was concentrated into one very dense, very hot region that may have been much smaller than a period on this page. For some unknown reason, this region exploded” (Hurd, Dean, George Mathias, and Susan Johnson, eds. (1992), General Science: A Voyage of Discovery (Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice Hall) pg. 61). As a result of the alleged explosion of a period-sized ball of matter, billions of galaxies formed, and eventually planets such as Earth evolved. Supposedly, the evolution of galaxies, and every planet, moon, and star within these galaxies, all came about by non-purposeful, unintelligent accidents. Likewise, every life form that eventually appeared on Earth purportedly evolved by mindless, random chances over millions of years. Some life forms “just happened” to evolve the ability to reproduce asexually, while others “just happened” to develop the capability to reproduce sexually. Some life forms “just happened” to evolve the ability to walk along vertical ledges (e.g., geckos), while others “just happened” to evolve the “gift” of glowing (e.g., glow worms). Some life forms “just happened” to evolve the ability to make silk (e.g., spiders), which, pound-for-pound, is stronger than steel, while others “just happened” to evolve the ability to “turn 90 degrees in under 50 milliseconds” while flying in a straight line (e.g., the blowfly; Mueller, 2008, 213[4]:82; Mueller, Tom (2008), “Biomimetics: Design by Nature,” National Geographic, 213[4]:68-91, April). Allegedly, everything has come into existence by random chances over billions of years. According to the General Theory of Evolution, there was no Mind, no Intelligence, and no Designer that created the Universe and everything in it.

And, to the scientific world, this nonsense is considered academia, not fairy-tale.

Do we really want to go on here? I have much more . . . . . .

Where we see evidence of design, it only makes sense to look for the designing agent.Whether it be a house fashioned out of tongue depressors, or a stealth fighter, someone was responsible for the overall design of the finished product. For instance, if we were walking through the Sahara Desert and came across a bag of golf clubs,we
would not think for a moment that they arrived there by random chance.We
would recognize immediately that the computer was the end product of design
and manufacturing (and if they were superior club heads, we would surmise that the designer was Mizuno). But what about things that are not manmade? What
about the Universe or the human body? Evolutionists quickly disregard any
notion that either the Universe or the human body shows signs of design, because
they realize the implications of such a notion. By admitting there is inherent
design—whether it is the usefulness of the human hand or the “just
right” atmospheric conditions of the Earth—the necessity of an intelligent
designer immediately arises.


For instance, the Earth is slanted on its axis exactly right—at a tilt of 23.5°.
If it were not tilted, but instead sat straight up in its orbit around the Sun, there
would be no seasons. The tropics would be hotter, and the deserts would get
bigger. Did this just happen by a big explosion, that cannot and has not ever been proven or explained, Purist? Consider this as well: If the tilt moved all the way over to 90°,much of the Earth would switch between very cold winters and very hot summers. In addition, the Earth is poised 240,000 miles from the Moon, whose gravitational pull is responsible
for ocean tides. If the Moon were moved closer to the Earth by just one-fifth,
the tides would be so enormous that twice a day they would reach 35-
50 feet high over most of the Earth’s surface. The overall odds of this just happening by way of circumstance are astronomical (pardon the pun)! Yet evolutionists are unwilling
to acknowledge the obvious design in the exact placement of the Earth and
the Moon.

But the more that design is discovered in the world (or Universe!) around
us, the more evolutionists are faced with the daunting task of trying to dream
up realistic explanations of how it is that so many things in nature have precisely
the correct measurements and/or relationships. The statistical probability
of everything happening by random chance is both unthinkable and
impossible. Even evolutionists, in their more candid moments, are willing to
admit as much. Richard Dawkins of Oxford University noted: “The more statistically
improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened
by blind chance. Superficially the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent
Designer” (1982, 94:30, emp. added).

Inside your head is an organ that weighs about 3 pounds (well, inside most your heads, . . . . I think.) I'll never forget the cadaver brains we use to have to dissect and work on in college. I often would take the mushy, unappealing organ out of the skull and think, "How in the world does this thing do so much and do it so well?" It is a well known scientific fact that the human brain is the most complex “computer” the world has ever known.

The brain is composed of over 10 trillion different cells. These cells work together to send electrical impulses at a rate of 273 miles per hour (393 feet per second). Nerve cells in the body send 2,000 impulses to the brain every second. These impulses come from 130,000 light receptors in the eye, 100,000 hearing receptors in the ears, 3,000 taste buds, and over 500,000 touch spots. As this is happening, the brain does not move, yet it consumes over 25% of the body’s oxygen and receives 20% of all the blood that is pumped from the heart (which is pretty amazing, considering that the brain makes up only about 2% of the body weight of an average man). So, did this really take place from some one cell amoeba coming from a "tissue soup" in the ocean whenever the lightning struck it at just the right moment over billions of years ago? It will be impossible to convince me of that fact, Purist.

And if all these “brainy” abilities don’t impress you, consider that the brain serves as the “doctor” for the rest of the body. It produces more than 50 drugs, ranging from painkillers (like endorphin) to antidepressant drugs (like serotonin). In addition, the brain allows you to remember words, smells, pictures, and colors. In fact, the brain is so good at allowing a person to remember information, it has been estimated that it would require 500 sets of encyclopedias to hold the information found in the brain. Let’s be honest; if we were walking through the forest one day and found a laptop computer that weighed less than three pounds and yet could perform more complex tasks than any computer on the market, would we say it “just happened by accident?” If we use our brains, we can see that the design found in the brain demands an intelligent Designer.

I have more and it looks like it will rain for the next three days here in Oklahoma, so since I am not playing golf, let me know if we need to go further . . . . .

This entire argument is pointless. Both sides may be correct. It's the chicken and the egg argument. Maybe the Big Bang theory is correct but how do we know that the Big Bang wasn't caused by some kind of supreme being? How do we know that our entire known universe isn't just floating around in someone's petri dish? The more you think about the vastness of it all the more that is left unexplained. Think about it too long and you'll start to realize how insignificant we all are and go on a wild shooting spree!

Please end the madness now. It can't possibly end well!

There are a few things that bother me here. I've never bought the 6 days. I'm almost certain it was 11.2. It came to me in a vision, so it's reliable.

I just wish God would spill on how he came to be. Maybe dinosaur bones strangely have something to do with it.

I'd also like to know why vaginas look the way they do. I mean, cut the crap, he could have made them look a little nicer. No question, some look great, but most don't. If you doubt that, picture an average looking vagina in the middle of someone's face. Call it a deformity. Would you look at it? Would you actually find it attractive?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]There are a few things that bother me here. I've never bought the 6 days. I'm almost certain it was 11.2. It came to me in a vision, so it's reliable.

I just wish God would spill on how he came to be. Maybe dinosaur bones strangely have something to do with it.

[B]I'd also like to know why vaginas look the way they do. I mean, cut the crap, he could have made them look a little nicer. No question, some look great, but most don't. If you doubt that, picture an average looking vagina in the middle of someone's face. Call it a deformity. Would you look at it? Would you actually find it attractive[/B]?[/QUOTE]

I must admit, I have to agree with you a bit here . . . . . . . however, . . . . . . . . it doesn't make me desire it any less.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I must admit, I have to agree with you a bit here . . . . . . . however, . . . . . . . . it doesn't make me desire it any less.[/QUOTE]

Me too. Strange, isn't it? And what's up with the ones that kind of stink?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]In this state I'm in, I'm pretty accepting of almost anything, but Dorkman's $600 wedges are pushing it.[/QUOTE]
Try the $600 wedge schtick one more time, and maybe I'll bite the third time....

[QUOTE=The Purist]This was one of the most scatter brained replies I have ever seen. Where am I supposed to be following the money? The money is big oil / energy. If you want to get paid, go make up some science disproving global warming and get on BP or Exxon's payroll.

BTW...Al Gore is a DB, but he does donate all of the proceeds from his book and dvd to saving the environment.[/QUOTE]
That's really generous of good old Al. Reportedly, he has made over $100 million on this scam of his. He lives in a mansion which is not energy efficient. He is a living fraud.

I never said the oil companies were our friends, or weren't making buckets of money. But Al and his cronies are amassing enormous PERSONAL wealth with this whole hysterical "the sky is falling" routine.

[soapbox]
How we got here is far less important to me than who and how I am right now. I have a personal faith, and whether God created it or used evolution isn't proof or debunking what I believe in my heart and what is true to me. finding the holy grail, or a piece of the true cross, or proving how the world was made just isn't important to me. I don't need these things to verify the things that have happened in my life and in my heart.

Please continue to debate the issue. It's an interesting read to see different perspectives and how people think and what they believe.

[/soapbox]

[QUOTE=dorkman53]Try the $600 wedge schtick one more time, and maybe I'll bite the third time....[/QUOTE]

You going for Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction here? He's actually a pretty good golfer, but a successful guy like that would never buy a $600 wedge.

[QUOTE=rumors]This is a really excellent read for me. Must admit that you are one of the coolest bloggers I ever saw. Thanks for posting this informative article.[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about?

Get the hell out of here jackass!!!

Don't come back again you pumpkin ass retard!

spank

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie]pumpkin ass retard

[/QUOTE]
I want my profile to say this instead of it saying "member" or "senior member".

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]I want my profile to say this instead of it saying "member" or "senior member".[/QUOTE]

Someone might confuse you for a Yankee fan.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Someone might confuse you for a Yankee fan.[/QUOTE]

Wouldnt that read "Tool" or is my ignorance of all things American showing me up?

Edgey

[QUOTE=edgey]Wouldnt that read "Tool" or is my ignorance of all things American showing me up?

Edgey[/QUOTE]
If you are equating Yankee fans with "tool", then you are aces in my book.

[quote=Yaz1975]If you are equating Yankee fans with "tool", then you are aces in my book.[/quote]

I'll second that.

The "Origins" question is very thorny for those who have faith in random molecular collisions.

1. DNA is an enormously complex genetic code with precise sequences of the base pairs. Any error will result in a nonsense code.
2. DNA is the template for RNA
3. There are protein enzymes that split the DNA into halves and make an RNA mirror image
4. The RNA is then "read" in ribosomes, and a precise sequence of amino acids is then coded, with 3 dimensional specificity (the molecule has to bend correctly to work.)
5. It takes protein molecules/eyzymes to synthesize DNA and RNA.
6. It takes DNA and RNA to synthesize protein molecules.
7. If by astronomically unlikely possibility, a protein molecule or strand of DNA happened to assemble itself spontaneously, it would do NOTHING without the other constituent being present, and in the proper location.
8. Oh, did I mention that this would have to happen within an intracellular environment, surrounded by an intact cell membrane, within a reasonable pH, temperature, and osmotic concentration in the micro-environment?

This whole "You need DNA and RNA to make protein molecules and you need proteins to make DNA and RNA" scenario is an impossible "chicken and egg" quandry for those who choose to believe that there is no design, simply random chemical collisions. You have to have a lot of faith in randomness to believe it.

Yes, the terms "Tool" and "Yankee Fan" are 100% interchangeable. I'll illustrate with some examples:

I used a Yankee Fan to hammer a couple of nails into the wall.

OR,

The best place to hang a Yankee Fan is on the wall.

It works the other way as well, for instance:

Without realizing it, I drove over a Tool laying in the driveway. S.hit happens.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]You guys are all starting to talk nonsense. Of course irons affect score.

If you are having a bad day the muted feedback and lack of feel from those cavity back irons will tell you nothing. Consequently both your confidence and your swing will suffer. You'll start to miss fairways with driver and 3 putts will become routine.

The pure feedback and feel of GFF blades on the other hand will give you the immediate feedback you need to make the appropriate swing changes and within a couple of holes you will have regrooved your swing and be hitting them all purely out of the sweetspot. This perfectly grooved swing will then transfer to every other club in your bag from Driver to putter and your confidence will soar. The GFF blades will translate not only to great iron play but also to hitting every fairway and most GIR. Three putts will be a thing of the past and 8-10 footers will seem like tap ins. All of this will translate to much lower scores.

So how can you say irons don't affect scoring. Irons are critical to scoring and GFF blades are the key to unlocking your golfing potential.

Go look for some GFF blades on E-Bay right now - you know it makes sense![/QUOTE]
I nominate this as the best bull.**** post of the year.

Omen has never said Mizzy made anything superior other than their irons. Their WOODS ARE SHI.TE AT BEST.

but WTF do irons and drivers have to do with GREENHOUSE GASSES and mans single handed destruction of this very fragile planet. this planets already been hit with a couple massive meteors, several mammoth orogenies, and one really terrible flood: How much more do we expect it to be able to take? Phuck well documented cyclical changes in the earth's climate. LOOK AT THE SEA ICE... how come NY isn't frozen? we're in an icehouse cycle right now... WHERE THE PHUCK IS ALL MY ICE?

NASA? Jeff please: Nasa always hires the least expensive people to do the job. The fact that you worked for them alone PROVES you're the IDIOT here. Definitely the DUMBEST in your field. We are roasting this planet one SUV tankful at a time. I bet you don't even drive a hybrid....

for shame...

Omen, phuck jeff for destroying my planet. He's the reason the Azalea's aren't as beautiful each year at the Maters.... AS.SHOLE.

[quote=Omen2]Omen has never said Mizzy made anything superior other than their irons. Their WOODS ARE SHI.TE AT BEST.

but WTF do irons and drivers have to do with GREENHOUSE GASSES and mans single handed destruction of this very fragile planet. this planets already been hit with a couple massive meteors, several mammoth orogenies, and one really terrible flood: How much more do we expect it to be able to take? Phuck well documented cyclical changes in the earth's climate. LOOK AT THE SEA ICE... how come NY isn't frozen? we're in an icehouse cycle right now... WHERE THE PHUCK IS ALL MY ICE?

NASA? Jeff please: Nasa always hires the least expensive people to do the job. The fact that you worked for them alone PROVES you're the IDIOT here. Definitely the DUMBEST in your field. We are roasting this planet one SUV tankful at a time. I bet you don't even drive a hybrid....

for shame...

Omen, phuck jeff for destroying my planet. He's the reason the Azalea's aren't as beautiful each year at the Maters.... AS.SHOLE.[/quote]

The flood wasn't me dude.

Other than that....at least partially guilty.

[COLOR="DarkOrange"][QUOTEOmen has never said Mizzy made anything superior other than their irons. Their WOODS ARE SHI.TE AT BEST.

but WTF do irons and drivers have to do with GREENHOUSE GASSES and mans single handed destruction of this very fragile planet. this planets already been hit with a couple massive meteors, several mammoth orogenies, and one really terrible flood: How much more do we expect it to be able to take? Phuck well documented cyclical changes in the earth's climate. LOOK AT THE SEA ICE... how come NY isn't frozen? we're in an icehouse cycle right now... WHERE THE PHUCK IS ALL MY ICE?

NASA? Jeff please: Nasa always hires the least expensive people to do the job. The fact that you worked for them alone PROVES you're the IDIOT here. Definitely the DUMBEST in your field. We are roasting this planet one SUV tankful at a time. I bet you don't even drive a hybrid....

for shame...

Omen, phuck jeff for destroying my planet. He's the reason the Azalea's aren't as beautiful each year at the Maters.... AS.SHOLE.][/QUOTE][/COLOR]

Omen

Are you lactating again.

Get a grip on your emotions



[QUOTE=Jeff_h]The flood wasn't me dude.

Other than that....at least partially guilty.[/QUOTE]

Dhead

you work for Nasa and play golf.

So does Dave Pelz

[IMG]http://www.synlawngolf.com/synlawn_images/home/Dave_Pelz_Putting.png[/IMG]

Are you a phat retard too

GHD

[quote=groundhogday]

Omen

Are you lactating again.

Get a grip on your emotions





Dhead

you work for Nasa and play golf.

So does Dave Pelz

[IMG]http://www.synlawngolf.com/synlawn_images/home/Dave_Pelz_Putting.png[/IMG]

Are you a phat retard too

GHD[/quote]

Dude......

Why you do that to me??????

Now I have to drink another beer to wash the puke out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Dude......

Why you do that to me??????

Now I have to drink another beer to wash the puke out of my mouth.[/QUOTE]


Dhead

You left it out there.

If i get a chance at a hole in one.... well not quite but!!!!!

Anywho I think Omen's hormones are raging again or he needs to drink some cranberry juice, its a natural diaretic. Yeast infections reek havoc on a golf swing.

GHD

[quote=groundhogday]Dhead

You left it out there.

If i get a chance at a hole in one.... well not quite but!!!!!

Anywho I think Omen's hormones are raging again or he needs to drink some cranberry juice, its a natural diaretic. Yeast infections reek havoc on a golf swing.

GHD[/quote]

Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh


Yeast infections are gross..

I am so glad I'm not a girl.

On the other hand...........

Yeast is necessary to make beer so it can't be all bad.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh


Yeast infections are gross..

I am so glad I'm not a girl.

On the other hand...........

Yeast is necessary to make beer so it can't be all bad.[/QUOTE]

Dhead

Are you saying Omen has his own brew,

[IMG]http://www.patricksirishpubandrestaurant.com/I_willL_never_drink_again.jpg[/IMG]

Pabst Blue OMG

GHD

[quote=groundhogday]Dhead

Are you saying Omen has his own brew,

[IMG]http://www.patricksirishpubandrestaurant.com/I_willL_never_drink_again.jpg[/IMG]

Pabst Blue OMG

GHD[/quote]

PB.......

Posting sh!t like that.....

it is safe to say you have issues.

I am hereby proud to have un ignored you.

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]PB.......

Posting sh!t like that.....

it is safe to say you have issues.

I am hereby proud to have un ignored you.[/QUOTE]


Dhead

I thought you liked Omens yeasty beers. Oh well please put me back on the to ignore list.

GHD

[QUOTE=groundhogday]Dhead

I thought you liked Omens yeasty beers. Oh well please put me back on the to ignore list.

GHD[/QUOTE]

Ok. Good.

I can put you on my sh!t list now.

You better not be on facebook or the internet, because you know that ownage is coming soon.

You are a worthy adversary... I am busy, and I will be back in week or so, with your ownage.

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie]Ok. Good.

I can put you on my sh!t list now.

You better not be on facebook or the internet, because you know that ownage is coming soon.

You are a worthy adversary... I am busy, and I will be back in week or so, with your ownage.[/QUOTE]


Spanky

[IMG]http://www.commentbuddy.com/comments/Gay/gay.jpg[/IMG]

Tootle loo

GHD

[quote=groundhogday]Spanky

[IMG]http://www.commentbuddy.com/comments/Gay/gay.jpg[/IMG]

Tootle loo

GHD[/quote]

Oh gawd......

Dude.

That's just not right

[QUOTE=Jeff_h]Oh gawd......

Dude.

That's just not right[/QUOTE]



Guess which one is Spanky and which one is Omen.

GHD