Why am I still doing this?

[QUOTE=Pky6471]when I started 15 yrs ago as a beginner, I hit them fat quite often, I think it's a result of dropping my right shoulder during my down swing... Now that my swing is much better and even though I am concious about swinging around my spine I still hit them fat once in a while... What the shìtttt am I doing wrong, again, I think it's due to "dropping" of my shoulder during my down swing... How to fix this guys/girls/AC-DC
Thanks[/QUOTE]

When you make your best contact, are you taking a divot? Large, small?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Gotta call BS on this statement.

That's like saying we'd all be tour pro's if we'd picked up a golf club at age 4-5 instead of playing other sports and focusing on our school work.[/QUOTE]

I think golf provides a great illustration. There are clearly a small percentage of people who can have the talent to succeed at that level and score in competition is the indicator. There's no fooling the common denominator.

In music, outside of classical and for the most part jazz (subtract Kenny G) while some are truly incredibly talented, songwriting is easier than what most people do to make their livings and for every rare and gifted musician in rock there are dozens of Jon Bonjovi.

Bonjovi wasn't even in music and decided he wanted to be a rock star. Four chords later he'd leveraged his looks into selling records. Your grandmother could sing better than Shania Twain even if she's no longer alive. Of course your grandma probably doesn't have Shania Twain's hooters.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Don't forget about the rest of NWA too.
Damn, Zo is right about rappers. If they live to see 30, they've probably sold out.
LL Cool J used to be the future of the funk, now he's a fricken cop on TV.
Ice T created the theme song for Colors, now he's also a damn pig on TV.
Ice Cube is doing kids' movies and failed sit-coms.
Dre is peddling Dr. Pepper and shills his own line of headphones. The rest of NWA is literally rolling in their graves, except for MC Ren who I think is still alive.
Fitty Cent is a principal owner of Vitamin Water.
Mace is done with the game and is now primarily an actor.

Part of me thinks Biggie, Tupac and Eazy-E are the lucky ones.[/QUOTE]
Forgot Jay-Z

I don't think selling out is frowned upon in the rap industry. Much of rap seems to be about dollar-dollar-bills and getting out of the hood.

If I told a 13 year old girl that Justin Bieber was a no talent ass-pirate and that Jimi Hendix was tha shiznit, do you think she would change her mind? She would probably say "fukk off, grandpa." There is no point debating something so subjective. Morons need music too, it's better that they listen to their crappy music than make your favorites seem less cool.
By the way, you are all a bunch of goddamn idiots if you don't recognize that old school Van Halen was totally rad.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Speaking of overrated musicians. Clapton is really slipping these days. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]

The good ones are aging even if they can still play. Check this out. It may not get the hairs on your neck rising on your computer speakers but I have the DVD and on a a 5.1 it's pretty good.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLHC84_lHg&feature=related[/url]

A little more Satriani.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgUwD9e8uNM&feature=related[/url]

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Speaking of getting paid and laid, let's not forget Kid Rock, Eminem and Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg's lyrics alone are awesome.[/quote]

I like both Snoop and Eminem. Eminem's new album is very good.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]I think golf provides a great illustration. There are clearly a small percentage of people who can have the talent to succeed at that level and score in competition is the indicator. There's no fooling the common denominator.

In music, outside of classical and for the most part jazz (subtract Kenny G) while some are truly incredibly talented, songwriting is easier than what most people do to make their livings and for every rare and gifted musician in rock there are dozens of Jon Bonjovi.

Bonjovi wasn't even in music and decided he wanted to be a rock star. Four chords later he'd leveraged his looks into selling records. Your grandmother could sing better than Shania Twain even if she's no longer alive. Of course your grandma probably doesn't have Shania Twain's hooters.[/quote]

It's only getting worse. American Idol has taken away the whole idea of a music group coming up the ranks and then hitting it big. Groups like R.E.M that had several unpopular, yet good, records in their early years had a small following that later became huge. Now, it's all about instant stardom and pushing out as many singles and videos to make huge money in a few years and then become a nobody again. Hanna Montana is already losing it and is on the way out.

The good news is that the people with no talent (Shania Twain, Hanna Montana, and Jonas Bros) only last for a couple of years. Their followers don't like them for their music so they can't help but move on to something else in 2 or 3 years.

Justin Beber actually has a lot of talent in that he can play several instruments and write his own songs. He used to play guitar on a street corner and a crowd would gather and he'd make $200 in 3 hours.. HIs voice is annoying but so was Michael Jackson's at that age. I know this because I have a daughter.

[QUOTE=The Purist]Forgot Jay-Z

I don't think selling out is frowned upon in the rap industry. Much of rap seems to be about dollar-dollar-bills and getting out of the hood.[/QUOTE]
Get rich or die trying is the mantra. Of course that's in direct opposition to mo money mo problems.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]If I told a 13 year old girl that Justin Bieber was a no talent ass-pirate and that Jimi Hendix was tha shiznit, do you think she would change her mind? She would probably say "fukk off, grandpa." There is no point debating something so subjective. Morons need music too, it's better that they listen to their crappy music than make your favorites seem less cool.
By the way, you are all a bunch of goddamn idiots if you don't recognize that old school Van Halen was totally rad.[/QUOTE]
Totally onboard with Van Halen in the DLR days. If I managed that band, the only thing I would have done differently would be to electrify the keyboard. A 300 volt shock would get Eddie's ass back on the guitar pretty quickly.

[quote=Horseballs]Totally onboard with Van Halen in the DLR days. If I managed that band, the only thing I would have done differently would be to electrify the keyboard. A 300 volt shock would get Eddie's ass back on the guitar pretty quickly.[/quote]

Jump was a gay song with that synthesizer. However, the rest of 1984 is damn good including Hot for Teacher and Panama.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Jump was a gay song with that synthesizer. However, the rest of 1984 is damn good including Hot for Teacher and Panama.[/QUOTE]
The guitar intro to Hot for Teacher dominates.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]It's only getting worse. American Idol has taken away the whole idea of a music group coming up the ranks and then hitting it big. Groups like R.E.M that had several unpopular, yet good, records in their early years had a small following that later became huge. Now, it's all about instant stardom and pushing out as many singles and videos to make huge money in a few years and then become a nobody again. Hanna Montana is already losing it and is on the way out.

The good news is that the people with no talent (Shania Twain, Hanna Montana, and Jonas Bros) only last for a couple of years. Their followers don't like them for their music so they can't help but move on to something else in 2 or 3 years.

[B]Justin Beber actually has a lot of talent in that he can play several instruments and write his own songs. He used to play guitar on a street corner and a crowd would gather and he'd make $200 in 3 hours.[/B]. HIs voice is annoying but so was Michael Jackson's at that age. I know this because I have a daughter.[/QUOTE]

FD, I'm choosing to believe that's some press agent's exageration/fabrication because the last time teenage girls gravitated to something legit was probably when the Beatles arrived. Justin Beeber is a re-incarnation of Wayne Newton. Next stop Vegas dinner theatre.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Totally onboard with Van Halen in the DLR days. If I managed that band, the only thing I would have done differently would be to electrify the keyboard. A 300 volt shock would get Eddie's ass back on the guitar pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Is that the same Eddie Van Halen who did the (shitt house) guitar solo for Beat It? Yeah, lot's of street cred for that little performance. David Lee Roth was the only thing Van Halen had going for them and they fukt him off over a rumoured alleged indiscretion with another band member's wife. David Lee Roth solo craps all over Van Halen with Sammy Hagar.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]FD, I'm choosing to believe that's some press agent's exageration/fabrication because the last time teenage girls gravitated to something legit was probably when the Beatles arrived. Justin Beeber is a re-incarnation of Wayne Newton. Next stop Vegas dinner theatre.[/quote]

You know nothing of which you speak. Actually, he started on youtube and gained popularity simply by posting videos of himself playing piano and guitar. That's how he originally became famous. I don't think you can really argue with that. It's one thing for some company like Disney to create a star like Hanna Montana or iCarly but it's another if you do it on your own by posting videos on Youtube.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You know nothing of which you speak. Actually, he started on youtube and gained popularity simply by posting videos of himself playing piano and guitar. That's how he originally became famous. I don't think you can really argue with that. It's one thing for some company like Disney to create a star like Hanna Montana or iCarly but it's another if you do it on your own by posting videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE]


Maybe we should create a poll. One last piece of evidence.

Warning: Do not watch after eating.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4&feature=artistob&playnext=1&list=TLZEWZUxXyIcw[/url]

Like I tell my kids. Wait 20 years from know and see if they ever play any of this crap their listening to now. Pretty much every band and every singer sound the same. The music now does not have a hook to draw the listener into the song. Being 57, I have to say I like Theory of a Deadman, some Nickalback, and a few others my 20 and 14 year listen to. Plus I have to mention Dr. Hook. Not the later crap when they kissed the feel good asses of people but there older stuff which a lot of that was written by Shel Silverstein. Classics. Freakin at the freakers ball, penicillien penny, carry me cary, I got stoned and I missed it. Check some of them out. Great songs.

[QUOTE=alangbaker]When you make your best contact, are you taking a divot? Large, small?[/QUOTE]

What's that got to do with American rock bands? Try and stay on topic Alan.

Okay that does it. Tonight I am digging out my turntable and reel to reel (I'm guessing half of the people in GR don't know what that is) and listen to some old stuff.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Seems to me like the only songs you know from some of these bands are the ones that featured in the pop charts. Whip it was good but just one of many great Devo songs.

Uncontrollable Urge
Satisfaction
Jocko Hom0
Mongoloid
Beautiful World
Jerkin Back N Forth
Ton of Love
Going Under

The list goes on and on.[/QUOTE]
I would add working in a coal mine and she's just a girl to that list. Probably my favourite devo song is mongoloid. I have a friend who works for the ABC and he put together a compilation dvd of all the devo songs and film clips in chronological order, telling the whole story of Devolution through the bits between the songs. Devo don't get credit for it, but they were groundbreakers for music videos.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You know nothing of which you speak. Actually, he started on youtube and gained popularity simply by posting videos of himself playing piano and guitar. That's how he originally became famous. I don't think you can really argue with that. It's one thing for some company like Disney to create a star like Hanna Montana or iCarly but it's another if you do it on your own by posting videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE]
Gotta back you up on this one FD. You got it totally wrong Zo, there is no way Bieber is another Wayne Newton. To say that is a grevious slander on the reputation of a true Vegas legend. Bieber wouldn't be fit to tie the shoelaces of a real entertainer like Newton. They don't hand out Vegas residencys to just anyone. Look at the honour roll of guys like Elvis, Tom Jones, Goulet, Englebert, Christie. Newton outlasted them all. Elvis was The King of Rock and Roll but Newton is the King of Vegas.

[quote=jt1135]Like I tell my kids. Wait 20 years from know and see if they ever play any of this crap their listening to now. Pretty much every band and every singer sound the same. The music now does not have a hook to draw the listener into the song. Being 57, I have to say I like Theory of a Deadman, some Nickalback, and a few others my 20 and 14 year listen to. Plus I have to mention Dr. Hook. Not the later crap when they kissed the feel good asses of people but there older stuff which a lot of that was written by Shel Silverstein. Classics. Freakin at the freakers ball, penicillien penny, carry me cary, I got stoned and I missed it. Check some of them out. Great songs.[/quote]

Dr. Hook!! Yes!!! [B][I]"When your body's had enough of me and I'm laying...flat out on the floor...when you think I"ve loved you all I can...I'm gonna love you a little bit more". [/I][/B]

Damn, that's almost as good as some England Dan and John Ford Coley stuff.

Also, who can forget Al Stewart's [B][I]Year of the Cat[/I][/B]?

Personally, I like their lesser know stuff that didn't get a lot of airplay because of the content. BUT, just listened to Sylvia's Mother on Youtube and I have to say those two could really vocalize together. Awesome song.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Dr. Hook!! Yes!!! [B][I]"When your body's had enough of me and I'm laying...flat out on the floor...when you think I"ve loved you all I can...I'm gonna love you a little bit more". [/I][/B]

Damn, that's almost as good as some England Dan and John Ford Coley stuff.

Also, who can forget Al Stewart's [B][I]Year of the Cat[/I][/B]?[/QUOTE]
It's just a shame that the singer was singing it to some other guy in the band. Dr Hook. Now that's going back. I wonder what that bunch of penaut butter trail riders are up to these days.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]The good ones are aging even if they can still play. Check this out. It may not get the hairs on your neck rising on your computer speakers but I have the DVD and on a a 5.1 it's pretty good.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLHC84_lHg&feature=related[/url]

A little more Satriani.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgUwD9e8uNM&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]


Satriani is awesome, but how about a little love for Eric Johnson? :D

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk[/URL]

That's how you make a guitar sing. :cool:



FON

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Speaking of overrated musicians. Clapton is really slipping these days. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]
Yah, no, that's all wrong. Clapton vid with somebodies crap track. Mr. Slow hand hasn't lost it. He's music is an example of it's not hot fast you play but the space between the notes are just as important. Like zo and I have mentioned listen to ottmar. He's guitar work is awesome. I would throw out some gypsy chello players but I'm sure that would go over like a led zep.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I like both Snoop and Eminem. Eminem's new album is very good.[/QUOTE]


Snoop's early work is far better than his more recent, but his newest stuff is still good. Same with Eminem. Nothing will ever top The Slim Shady LP (Role Model anyone?), but Eminem is probably still the best in his genre in the last decade and a half. His brand has become a little stale and overplayed recently, but his skills have never diminished. He's the best at what he does IMO.

"Don't you wanna grow up and be just like me?" :cool:



FON

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature]Satriani is awesome, but how about a little love for Eric Johnson? :D

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk[/URL]

That's how you make a guitar sing. :cool:



FON[/QUOTE]

Amazing how smoothly he plays that song at that tempo. The two have pretty different styles. Kind of east coast vs. west coast.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker][B]I would add working in a coal mine and she's just a girl to that list. Probably my favourite devo song is mongoloid.[/B] I have a friend who works for the ABC and he put together a compilation dvd of all the devo songs and film clips in chronological order, telling the whole story of Devolution through the bits between the songs. Devo don't get credit for it, but they were groundbreakers for music videos.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah agree, they were just a few songs off the top of my head in response to FD's claim they only had one good song (Whip It).

'Girl U Want' is classic DEVO. 'Working in a Coal Mine' is good too but it was a remake of a Lee Dorsey song. The original is pretty cool too. Check it out:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsoa1wHJT2E[/url]

Here's the DEVO version:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-ofT4wAO8[/url]

Decide for yourself which is best. Both cool IMO. :cool:

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I'll give you a hint....CCCCRRRaaack that whip!!! Give the pass a slip.[/QUOTE]
What about"take me to the river"?

[QUOTE=oldplayer]What about"take me to the river"?[/QUOTE]

By DEVO?

Isn't that a Talking Heads song?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]By DEVO?

Isn't that a Talking Heads song?[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right. It's been a long week. :confused:

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Yah, no, that's all wrong. Clapton vid with somebodies crap track. Mr. Slow hand hasn't lost it. He's music is an example of it's not hot fast you play but the space between the notes are just as important. Like zo and I have mentioned listen to ottmar. He's guitar work is awesome. I would throw out some gypsy chello players but I'm sure that would go over like a led zep.[/QUOTE]
The Clapton vid is a joke. This kid from Finland started taking vids of rock legends and replacing the audio with intentionally horrible audio. I thought the sound of five people clapping was a nice touch. Here's a Van Halen one, hilarious if you ask me.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]The Clapton vid is a joke. This kid from Finland started taking vids of rock legends and replacing the audio with intentionally horrible audio. I thought the sound of five people clapping was a nice touch. Here's a Van Halen one, hilarious if you ask me.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]
OMG that is hilarious. The best is reading the comments from die hard fans that don't realize its a joke.

[QUOTE=The Purist]OMG that is hilarious. The best is reading the comments from die hard fans that don't realize its a joke.[/QUOTE]
The comments are the icing on the cake. At 1:49 on the Clapton vid, there's a snippet of "Enter Sandman". Pure genius.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]The comments are the icing on the cake. At 1:49 on the Clapton vid, there's a snippet of "Enter Sandman". Pure genius.[/QUOTE]

Last one. This one made me cry.

[IMG]<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>[/IMG]

[QUOTE=The Purist]Last one. This one made me cry.

[IMG]<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>[/IMG][/QUOTE]
LOL! That is fantastic! Ok, one more. Slash. The substitution of bird calls for the talk box is excellent. There are literally hundreds of these things out now.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHyl04-ytH8&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

This thread is straight up :confused:

Best song on Van Halen 1984 is Drop Dead Legs. FACT

Best Van Halen album however is Fair Warning. Absolute RAWK.

You want to hear a fantastic guitar player long before the current group of shredders, go find yourself some Al DiMeola. He did a tour with Paco DeLucia and John McLaughlin that blew my mind.

Slash and his bird calls are just repeating what Gary Rossington did with Lynyrd Skynyrd on Free Bird (live version)

Best rock guitarist that no one talks about but should, is Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Perfect in his simplicity, doesn't overplay or show off, gives the song what it needs and no more.

Hip Hop can suck it.

And not ONE of you has mentioned David Gilmour.

For shame.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]And not ONE of you has mentioned David Gilmour.

For shame.[/QUOTE]
Enjoy:

[IMG]<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_swBN82Dclo?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_swBN82Dclo?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>[/IMG]

I like when the rest of the band starts getting funky at the 1:40 mark.

[QUOTE=The Purist]Last one. This one made me cry.

[IMG]<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/89zM9pZzt0U?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Willickers, that's f.ucking hlllarious. I was crying too.

But why do they always have to pick on the guinea?




Ok, Spaniard, but many people will assume he's a guinea.

These guys take themselves so seriously, eventually one of them will opt for suicide.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]This thread is straight up :confused:

Best song on Van Halen 1984 is Drop Dead Legs. FACT

Best Van Halen album however is Fair Warning. Absolute RAWK.

You want to hear a fantastic guitar player long before the current group of shredders, go find yourself some Al DiMeola. He did a tour with Paco DeLucia and John McLaughlin that blew my mind.

Slash and his bird calls are just repeating what Gary Rossington did with Lynyrd Skynyrd on Free Bird (live version)

Best rock guitarist that no one talks about but should, is Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Perfect in his simplicity, doesn't overplay or show off, gives the song what it needs and no more.

Hip Hop can suck it.[/QUOTE]

Damn the Torpedos is one of my favorite brat rock CD-s. That band is so damn tight in those cuts even Tom Petty's voice sounds good. It takes some real playing to do that.

I still have almost a full lid of Al DiMeola left, maybe we'll fire some up later and listen to some tunes.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Speaking of overrated musicians. Clapton is really slipping these days. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]

I love the facials Claptout pulls when playing. He would rival Kevin Costner for the best constipated wince in show business.

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature]Satriani is awesome, but how about a little love for Eric Johnson? :D

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk[/URL]

That's how you make a guitar sing. :cool:



FON[/QUOTE]
In the past 40 years, I've rarely ventured out to catch a concert but eight years ago went by myself to a local club on a weekday night to catch a set by the Derek Trucks band. According to some guitarist acquaintences of mine, Trucks was a slide guitar wunderkind that had to be experienced live so I went on their recommendations. The DTB opened the show for Eric Johnson and his Alien Love Child quartet. I had really no idea who EJ was and after Truck's set which blew me away, I was going to leave and get some sleep for work the next day. Well, Johnson and the boys came on and EJ took about 20 minutes to tune up and try to get the extremely annoying 60 cycle buzz eliminated from his Strat. With that finally accomplished, he proceeded to blow my guitarist mind. I stood about 20 feet from him for about 90 minutes and when I closed my eyes, I would swear Jeff Beck was playing. When I mentioned that to a guy standing next to me who was a Johnson follower, he said that Beck was one of Johnson's guitar heroes. Beck is one of two or three guitarists I would make to effort to catch live. I'm really glad I got to hear and see Johnson.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Damn the Torpedos is one of my favorite brat rock CD-s. That band is so damn tight in those cuts even Tom Petty's voice sounds good. It takes some real playing to do that.

I still have almost a full lid of Al DiMeola left, maybe we'll fire some up later and listen to some tunes.[/quote]

Damn the Torpedos...great album. ELO had some good stuff.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]By DEVO?

Isn't that a Talking Heads song?[/QUOTE]

Written and performed by Al Green, an American R&B and gospel great, covered by the Heads et al. Green's is the best by far.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]So it's not just geography and history where Americans are ignoramuses. I agree that Aerosmith are pretty good, but basically every great band of the 60s and 70s came out of England. The late 70s belonged to AC/DC, but before that it was bands like Zeplin, Free, The Stones, The Small Faces etc etc were where it was at. You really need to get out more FD.[/QUOTE]
Saw Free and the Faces with Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck in San Diego in the late '60's. Better than most any U.S. bands live with the exception of Grateful Dead before they lapsed into cheesy folk music. Among my favorites were Fleetwood Mac (Peter Green era, before the women emasculated the music), Yardbirds, John Mayall, Ten Years After, Traffic-- much better musicianship and music than most of the rest.

[QUOTE=mongrel]Saw Free and the Faces with Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck in San Diego in the late '60's. Better than most any U.S. bands live with the exception of Grateful Dead before they lapsed into cheesy folk music. Among my favorites were Fleetwood Mac (Peter Green era, before the women emasculated the music), Yardbirds, John Mayall, Ten Years After, Traffic-- much better musicianship and music than most of the rest.[/QUOTE]

I'm a bit surprised that no one has mention Mark Knopfler or dire straits.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I'm a bit surprised that no one has mention Mark Knopfler or dire straits.[/QUOTE]
Mark Knopfler is beyond amazing.

Also, Free with Paul Rogers and Paul Kossoff was the jam. Awesome 70's rock with a groove. The song Fire and Water was just so good.

[quote=Yaz1975]Mark Knopfler is beyond amazing.

Also, Free with Paul Rogers and Paul Kossoff was the jam. Awesome 70's rock with a groove. The song Fire and Water was just so good.[/quote]

Please. REO Speedwagon was way better than that dork. "Cause I'm gonna keep on loving you!!!!"

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I'm a bit surprised that no one has mention Mark Knopfler or dire straits.[/QUOTE]


And let's not forget La Ricciolina.


You may need a really good sound system to truly appreciate this.....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCS2FfyZfm4&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]And let's not forget La Ricciolina.


You may need a really good sound system to truly appreciate this.....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCS2FfyZfm4&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm afraid it's Lost in Translation.

Nice system in your sig BTW. Is that system similar to an internet 300 yard drive or is that truly your components? Don't answer, no one will believe you anyway. I'm jealous even if it isn't real.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I'm afraid it's Lost in Translation.

Nice system in your sig BTW. Is that system similar to an internet 300 yard drive or is that truly your components? Don't answer, no one will believe you anyway. I'm jealous even if it isn't real.[/QUOTE]

They're real and they're fantastic.

I've wanted an Anthem processor for a long time but they're crazy expensive. I got one of the first MRX-s which does practically the same job at a fraction of the cost. You load the software into your laptop, you run the program, the mic and voila, your speakers just got twice as good in your listening environment. The program and processor download a circle graph that shows you the sound spectrum. It really lets your inner geek run wild and it's like getting a whole new system.

The Canadian government is essentially funding R&D for Paradigm/Anthem and it's producing the audio equivalent of stealth technology. The only entertainment benefits Americans get from their government R&D is flyovers before sporting events.

It's an example of what the U.S. governement could be doing to stoke the technology industry although we'd surely f.uck up any similar endeavour.

And as far as italian folk music is concerned, it's worse for me than Mario, Luigi and Chef Boy-ar-dee combined.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]They're real and they're fantastic.

I've wanted an Anthem processor for a long time but they're crazy expensive. I got one of the first MRX-s which does practically the same job at a fraction of the cost. You load the software into your laptop, you run the program, the mic and voila, your speakers just got twice as good in your listening environment. The program and processor download a circle graph that shows you the sound spectrum. It really lets your inner geek run wild and it's like getting a whole new system.

The Canadian government is essentially funding R&D for Paradigm/Anthem and it's producing the audio equivalent of stealth technology. The only entertainment benefits Americans get from their government R&D is flyovers before sporting events.

It's an example of what the U.S. governement could be doing to stoke the technology industry although we'd surely f.uck up any similar endeavour.

And as far as italian folk music is concerned, it's worse for me than Mario, Luigi and Chef Boy-ar-dee combined.[/QUOTE]Giacomo Puccini for the win. I truly love good Italian opera. I could and have listen to La Boheme for days on end.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Giacomo Puccini for the win. I truly love good Italian opera. I could and have listen to La Boheme for days on end.[/QUOTE]

I love opera too. The a.lutty clothes women wear trying to look sophisticated is a real turn-on.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Mark Knopfler is beyond amazing.

Also, Free with Paul Rogers and Paul Kossoff was the jam. Awesome 70's rock with a groove. The song Fire and Water was just so good.[/QUOTE]
Now you're talking Yaz. Not Knopfler, I just didn't get Dire Straits, except for some of their longer songs on Love Over Gold. But Free, what a great band. They were one of those bands where every member was a virtuoso in their field. Rogers is regarded amogst the top rock singers ever. And Kossoff was a genius. I don't know how to play guitar, but I know a guitarist when I hear one. My mate who is a musician said that Kossoff had the rare ability to play vibrato and bend notes at the same time, which gave him his unique sound. I've read that after a gig back in the 60s Clapton came to their dressing room asking Kossoff for tips on how to play vibrato. He was only about 19 or so when he Free started, you just wonder how good he would have became if he didn't die of a drug overdose at 25. Fire and Water was one of their best, right up there with All Right Now and Woman. Their best stuff was the early years when they were more bluesy. Mover and Woman are the two greatest rock and blues songs I've ever heard. Woman was Kossoff's best work.

In fact, I'm going to dig out the Anthology and play it from start to finish as soon as I get out of here.

If you wana know what me and Yaz are talking about check this out. As good as it gets.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIeglX2HOSo[/url]

[QUOTE=mongrel]In the past 40 years, I've rarely ventured out to catch a concert but eight years ago went by myself to a local club on a weekday night to catch a set by the Derek Trucks band. According to some guitarist acquaintences of mine, Trucks was a slide guitar wunderkind that had to be experienced live so I went on their recommendations. The DTB opened the show for Eric Johnson and his Alien Love Child quartet. I had really no idea who EJ was and after Truck's set which blew me away, I was going to leave and get some sleep for work the next day. Well, Johnson and the boys came on and EJ took about 20 minutes to tune up and try to get the extremely annoying 60 cycle buzz eliminated from his Strat. With that finally accomplished, he proceeded to blow my guitarist mind. I stood about 20 feet from him for about 90 minutes and when I closed my eyes, I would swear Jeff Beck was playing. When I mentioned that to a guy standing next to me who was a Johnson follower, he said that Beck was one of Johnson's guitar heroes. Beck is one of two or three guitarists I would make to effort to catch live. I'm really glad I got to hear and see Johnson.[/QUOTE]


Cool story mongrel, thanks for sharing. :)

I'm not sure exactly why EJ never got more mainstream notoriety back in the day, I guess because he wasn't doing power ballads with hair-band vocalists... but nonetheless he's an amazing talent with great taste in musical influence.

It really amazes me how under the radar he flew. I'd never even heard of him until a couple years ago when I picked up Guitar Hero 3 for my PC and Cliffs Of Dover was his only track on the game (I still can't beat it on expert... DOH!). Ever since then, I sought out his other material and have developed a great appreciation for his talent and style. I can't play guitar worth a lick, but I know awesome when I hear it.



FON

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]They're real and they're fantastic.

I've wanted an Anthem processor for a long time but they're crazy expensive. I got one of the first MRX-s which does practically the same job at a fraction of the cost. You load the software into your laptop, you run the program, the mic and voila, your speakers just got twice as good in your listening environment. The program and processor download a circle graph that shows you the sound spectrum. It really lets your inner geek run wild and it's like getting a whole new system.

The Canadian government is essentially funding R&D for Paradigm/Anthem and it's producing the audio equivalent of stealth technology. The only entertainment benefits Americans get from their government R&D is flyovers before sporting events.

It's an example of what the U.S. governement could be doing to stoke the technology industry although we'd surely f.uck up any similar endeavour.

And as far as italian folk music is concerned, it's worse for me than Mario, Luigi and Chef Boy-ar-dee combined.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of folk music and your Anthem, does the calibration program require you do use a bryan adam song? You know how Canada is about their content laws. Maybe they made an exception for south of the border.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Speaking of folk music and your Anthem, does the calibration program require you do use a bryan adam song? You know how Canada is about their content laws. Maybe they made an exception for south of the border.[/QUOTE]

Human reaction to the arts fascinates me. On the one hand we gravitate to them because we enjoy them, but if they're shallow, they aren't worthy. Maybe FD's the most fortunate among us because he can listen to something simple and not lose enjoyment of it even when he's bombarded with it. Some things resonate with some of us, others don't. Other things resonate today but didn't yesterday, and vice-versa.

When you look at a painting, do you look for color, shape or the whole presentation? Does it matter if the artist figured out he could defract light and trace the painting versus allowing his nature to move his hand? Does it matter if other people like it? It can be a lonely experience enjoying something by yourself. When you look at it, at what point is it time to move on? Mongrel might bulldoze the Sistine Chapel if he got locked in there overnight.

Then there's technique versus presentation. It seems most of these talented guitarists toiled in obscurity, locked in some sort of savant world of their own, able to achieve mindblowing technique but unable to team well in a band or even master composition. As great as Knopfler was as a guitarist, his end product was usually awkward, wasn't it?

In cooking, some master amazing components but fall to average when they try to combine them in a dish. In sex, well, you get the idea.

The good news is the Anthem processing uses a series of test tones. The bad news is if you close your eyes, it sounds a little like Geddy Lee.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Human reaction to the arts fascinates me. On the one hand we gravitate to them because we enjoy them, but if they're shallow, they aren't worthy. Maybe FD's the most fortunate among us because he can listen to something simple and not lose enjoyment of it even when he's bombarded with it. Some things resonate with some of us, others don't. Other things resonate today but didn't yesterday, and vice-versa.

When you look at a painting, do you look for color, shape or the whole presentation? Does it matter if the artist figured out he could defract light and trace the painting versus allowing his nature to move his hand? Does it matter if other people like it? It can be a lonely experience enjoying something by yourself. When you look at it, at what point is it time to move on? Mongrel might bulldoze the Sistine Chapel if he got locked in there overnight.

Then there's technique versus presentation. It seems most of these talented guitarists toiled in obscurity, locked in some sort of savant world of their own, able to achieve mindblowing technique but unable to team well in a band or even master composition. As great as Knopfler was as a guitarist, his end product was usually awkward, wasn't it?

In cooking, some master amazing components but fall to average when they try to combine them in a dish. In sex, well, you get the idea.

The good news is the Anthem processing uses a series of test tones. The bad news is if you close your eyes, it sounds a little like Geddy Lee.[/QUOTE]

True on many levels. I'm not a big knopfler fan. I admire his technique but I'm more into blues guitar then jazz. To me Knopfler has a technical feeling to it like many jazz guitarist.

My pioneer has a calibration program. it's MCAC or some other stupid arse acronym. It too uses clicks, tones, etc. It's pretty old so I'm sure it's been improved but I understand the principal. I read the bit on ARC in the Anthem. I liked two things at first glance. The fact that you can make multiple samplings and the fact that there are two settings for movies and music. Each are distinctively different in experience.

After reading it I really should recalibrate my system. It's been a number of years. We have a new sub woofer, new wool rug, and sofa (nice italian leather, it took almost a year to get. Damn italian's. It was like pushing a string to get them to ship the thing. First it was holliday, then retooling their factory, the the first container was full, etc. But it's beautiful and we would do it again.). I doubt the furniture will make much difference but the new sub woofer would certainly affect the system. I'm such a stupid arse at times.

After reading FD's posts on music it dawned on me that he probably isn't a big fan of the mary jane either. Very little soul or psychedelic rock in his mix. Reminds me of the time I listened to dead can dance with a friend on his system sober and was like "what ever." We partied a while, smoked some domestic, and then sat back and listened to it again in 5 channel stereo. It blew my mind. Some music is much better at a lower state of consciousness. Also some music just blow's on a crap system as well.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]True on many levels. I'm not a big knopfler fan. I admire his technique but I'm more into blues guitar then jazz. To me Knopfler has a technical feeling to it like many jazz guitarist.

My pioneer has a calibration program. it's MCAC or some other stupid arse acronym. It too uses clicks, tones, etc. It's pretty old so I'm sure it's been improved but I understand the principal. I read the bit on ARC in the Anthem. I liked two things at first glance. The fact that you can make multiple samplings and the fact that there are two settings for movies and music. Each are distinctively different in experience.

After reading it I really should recalibrate my system. It's been a number of years. We have a new sub woofer, new wool rug, and sofa (nice italian leather, it took almost a year to get. Damn italian's. It was like pushing a string to get them to ship the thing. First it was holliday, then retooling their factory, the the first container was full, etc. But it's beautiful and we would do it again.). I doubt the furniture will make much difference but the new sub woofer would certainly affect the system. I'm such a stupid arse at times.

After reading FD's posts on music it dawned on me that he probably isn't a big fan of the mary jane either. Very little soul or psychedelic rock in his mix. Reminds me of the time I listened to dead can dance with a friend on his system sober and was like "what ever." We partied a while, smoked some domestic, and then sat back and listened to it again in 5 channel stereo. It blew my mind. Some music is much better at a lower state of consciousness. Also some music just blow's on a crap system as well.[/QUOTE]

Let's face it, it expands your consciousness and alters perception. I like to think I can tell who has and hasn't based on conversation but in actuality I probably can't. Maybe some people are that way through influence or just innately more aware. But for some lives they're additive and for others they're sad. I'll bet we've both come across plenty of both.

I'm familiar with MCACC as I have an SC-25. It's a definite enhancement but you can only accomplish so much with that level of processing. And MCACC doesn't process the low end, even though it gets your sub to put out tones. Detailed solutions are expensive, even my MRX uses shortcuts and extrapolation to find a solution that the more expensive units crunch. If you can use a tripod for the mic, you'll get a better result. The 700 actually comes with a stand so you don't waste all their expensive efforts by laying the mic. down on the sofa.

Let's face it, italian leather is art, the sofa makers are probably tempermental, it's understandable they're not so good at meeting a schedule. Leather is reflective so if your boss can be sold on a couple of acoustic panels you might get a boost. You should be able to get to 85-90 db without it sounding loud and that's when music gets really fun. Although in the case of popular country the more distortion the better.

Some people get into this because they like toys, others to impress and still others because they really like sound. And the sad fact is to get really good sound, it just isn't cheap. It's also sad that eventually you learn what your set-up's missing and many of us start looking around again.

OK guys/girls/AC-DC... back to golf now,,,:)

Went out to a local driving range again today, choked down all of my clubs by 3/4" and hit balls quite clean with good contact... if anything, I may draw a little... so maybe the standard club length is just a touch too long for me. I remember that A.kim chokes all of his clubs by 1.5-2" and he hits a ton. One thing that I don't understand is that Nike pays him to play Nike clubs then why doesn't he get the correct length in the first place :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Pky6471]OK guys/girls/AC-DC... back to golf now,,,:)

Went out to a local driving range again today, choked down all of my clubs by 3/4" and hit balls quite clean with good contact... if anything, I may draw a little... so maybe the standard club length is just a touch too long for me. I remember that A.kim chokes all of his clubs by 1.5-2" and he hits a ton. One thing that I don't understand is that Nike pays him to play Nike clubs then why doesn't he get the correct length in the first place :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
OK, that's great. Now who's your favorite guitarist?

[QUOTE=Pky6471]OK guys/girls/AC-DC... back to golf now,,,:)

Went out to a local driving range again today, choked down all of my clubs by 3/4" and hit balls quite clean with good contact... if anything, I may draw a little... so maybe the standard club length is just a touch too long for me. I remember that A.kim chokes all of his clubs by 1.5-2" and he hits a ton. One thing that I don't understand is that Nike pays him to play Nike clubs then why doesn't he get the correct length in the first place :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I agree with HS. What does this have to do with anything? If you want to change the subject like that, start your own thread.

On any forum, I take all the posters who mention any kind of RAP as "music" and I automatically place them in my "They do not know shite about music" category.

RAP is only one letter off from what it really is . . . . . . CRAP.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]On any forum, I take all the posters who mention any kind of RAP as "music" and I automatically place them in my "They do not know shite about music" category.

RAP is only one letter off from what it really is . . . . . . CRAP.[/QUOTE]

... but Hip Hop is cool right Sooner? :cool:

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]... but Hip Hop is cool right Sooner? :cool:[/QUOTE]
I think Sooner is a bit old fashioned saying all rap is crap. I agree that the vast majority of rap artists suk, but there a few noteable exceptions. You can't tell me Run DMC, Tone Loc and Young MC didn't put out some cool stuff.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I think Sooner is a bit old fashioned saying all rap is crap. I agree that the vast majority of rap artists suk, but there a few noteable exceptions. You can't tell me Run DMC, Tone Loc and Young MC didn't put out some cool stuff.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. One of my favourite bands is Rage Against the Machine which is basically a fusion of hip hop and hard rock.

They covered a song named "I'm Housin" on their Renegades album by hip hop band EPMD. When I listened to the EPMD version I liked their version better than Rage.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4kfLLhtic[/url]

Sooner probably prefers American Country & Western music. :)

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Totally agree. One of my favourite bands is Rage Against the Machine which is basically a fusion of hip hop and hard rock.

They covered a song named "I'm Housin" on their Renegades album by hip hop band EPMD. )[/QUOTE]
EPMD never had much mainstream success, but they were extremely influential in the rap community. Their debut album "Strictly Business" was legendary. Check out the title track.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHEI8fJdiM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Totally agree. One of my favourite bands is Rage Against the Machine which is basically a fusion of hip hop and hard rock.

They covered a song named "I'm Housin" on their Renegades album by hip hop band EPMD. When I listened to the EPMD version I liked their version better than Rage.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4kfLLhtic[/url]

[B]Sooner probably prefers American Country & Western music.[/B] :)[/QUOTE]

Actually, no, I do not. I consider myself culturally diverse in that I can listen to and enjoy most any music, but I just haven't ever liked rap and do not consider it music.

I mostly listen to Celtic music -- both traditional and contemporary, and I prefer going to listen to live bands.

NaH, you have to admit, Run DMC, Tone Loc and Young MC is not the same kind of "rap" that you hear today. I never once heard these guys referring to themselves as "gangstas." I am disappointed though that you left out one of the best of the old time funk rap groups -- Sugar Hill Gang.

[quote=SoonerBS]Actually, no, I do not. I consider myself culturally diverse in that I can listen to and enjoy most any music, but I just haven't ever liked rap and do not consider it music.

I mostly listen to Celtic music -- both traditional and contemporary, and I prefer going to listen to live bands.

NaH, you have to admit, Run DMC, Tone Loc and Young MC is not the same kind of "rap" that you hear today. I never once heard these guys referring to themselves as "gangstas." I am disappointed though that you left out one of the best of the old time funk rap groups -- Sugar Hill Gang.[/quote]

Have you ever gone over to a friend's house to eat
and the food just aint no good
I mean the macaroni's soggie, the peas are munched and the chicken tastes like wood

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Actually, no, I do not. I consider myself culturally diverse in that I can listen to and enjoy most any music, but I just haven't ever liked rap and do not consider it music.

[B]I mostly listen to Celtic music -- both traditional and contemporary, and I prefer going to listen to live bands.[/B]

[B]NaH, you have to admit, Run DMC, Tone Loc and Young MC is not the same kind of "rap" that you hear today. I never once heard these guys referring to themselves as "gangstas[/B]." I am disappointed though that you left out one of the best of the old time funk rap groups -- Sugar Hill Gang.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I forgot that you like Celtic music. Apologies Sooner. I like Celtic music too. The Pogues were another favourite band of mine during the 80-90's.

I think we can all agree that [I][U]Gangster[/U][/I] Rap is crappy BS music.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]EPMD never had much mainstream success, but they were extremely influential in the rap community. Their debut album "Strictly Business" was legendary. Check out the title track.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHEI8fJdiM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks Slicer, that sounds cool! :cool:

Or should I call you "Homie"? :D

[quote=Kiwi Player]Thanks Slicer, that sounds cool! :cool:

Or should I call you "Homie"? :D[/quote]

Rap music is more suited toward the Mizuno GFF crowd. It's consistent with the yearning to be hip and part of the in crowd.

Meanwhile, the Ping player enjoys music played by talented musicians. People that actually play instruments and write their own music.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Thanks Slicer, that sounds cool! :cool:

Or should I call you "Homie"? :D[/QUOTE]
LOL! Yeah, I keeps it real like dat. I like some of the old school stuff. Anything past the mid nineties is mostly garbage,IMO. Master P was the beginning of the end in hip hop as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Rap music is more suited toward the Mizuno GFF crowd. It's consistent with the yearning to be hip and part of the in crowd.

Meanwhile, [B]the Ping player enjoys music played by talented musicians[/B]. People that actually play instruments and write their own music.[/QUOTE]

You mean talented musicians like Cheap Trick?

They fit nicely with the identical (Ping G2, G5, G10, G15 anyone?) cheap looking junk that PING produces year in year out even though the extortionate prices they charge PING sycophant suckers is anything but cheap.

[quote=Kiwi Player]You mean talented musicians like Cheap Trick?

They fit nicely with the identical (Ping G2, G5, G10, G15 anyone?) cheap looking junk that PING produces year in year out even though the extortionate prices they charge PING sycophant suckers is anything but cheap.[/quote]

Cheap Trick does have talented musicians. That's pretty much agreed upon between people in the music industry. You just keep playing those forged sticks that sting your hands on every other shot. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result. I don't think that's insanity. I think it's just dumb. I will put my Pings up against your rusty forged clubs any day of the week. Bring it.

I pretty much like 3 things.

1. Rough sex.
2. Food.
3. Music.

Since Mizuno makes me feel like I'm banging it, it cuts through the turf like butter and it plays it like a beautiful instrument, it fits into all three.

If the turf/butter thing seems like a stretch, then I guess I'd say that in the right hands they're like a juicy Filet Mignon with a blue cheese crust.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I pretty much like 3 things.

1. Rough sex.
2. Food.
3. Music.

Since Mizuno makes me feel like I'm banging it, it cuts through the turf like butter and it plays it like a beautiful instrument, it fits into all three.[/QUOTE]

Such eloquence. If Famousdavis reads this maybe he will see the light.

[quote=Kiwi Player]Such eloquence. If Famousdavis reads this maybe he will see the light.[/quote]

Which Mizuno irons do you play?

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Which Mizuno irons do you play?[/QUOTE]

A mixed set.

MP-30 3-5 irons

MP-33 6-PW

Been thinking about switching to the MP-62's for a while. Just waiting for the right deal.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You just keep playing those forged sticks that sting your hands on every other shot. [/QUOTE]

This is conventional wisdom, but not my experience. I have honestly never gotten that stung hands feeling with my mp67s, and I've bladed the hell out of them before.

The harshest stings I have ever felt have been from hard cast cavity backs on graphite shafts.

[quote=The Purist]This is conventional wisdom, but not my experience. I have honestly never gotten that stung hands feeling with my mp67s, and I've bladed the hell out of them before.

The harshest stings I have ever felt have been from hard cast cavity backs on graphite shafts.[/quote]

I was talking about bee stings. The shiny chrome of the Mizuno irons attracts bees that sting you.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I think golf provides a great illustration. There are clearly a small percentage of people who can have the talent to succeed at that level and score in competition is the indicator. There's no fooling the common denominator.

In music, outside of classical and for the most part jazz (subtract Kenny G) while some are truly incredibly talented, songwriting is easier than what most people do to make their livings and for every rare and gifted musician in rock there are dozens of Jon Bonjovi.

[B]Bonjovi wasn't even in music and decided he wanted to be a rock star. Four chords later he'd leveraged his looks into selling records. [/B]Your grandmother could sing better than Shania Twain even if she's no longer alive. Of course your grandma probably doesn't have Shania Twain's hooters.[/QUOTE]
At least Bon Jovi was smart enough to surround himself with crap musicians so he didn't look so woefully out of place. Sambora is a laugh, he acts like the guys I see in Air Guitar contests.

[quote=Not a hacker]At least Bon Jovi was smart enough to surround himself with crap musicians so he didn't look so woefully out of place. Sambora is a laugh, he acts like the guys I see in Air Guitar contests.[/quote]

I agree. Everyone knows that CC Deville is the best guitarist ever.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I agree. Everyone knows that CC Deville is the best guitarist ever.[/QUOTE]
No one better at wanking away on pentatonic scales while doing rails of coke off of the back of the guitar WITH 5 pounds of hairspray applied all at the same time.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]At least Bon Jovi was smart enough to surround himself with crap musicians so he didn't look so woefully out of place. Sambora is a laugh, he acts like the guys I see in Air Guitar contests.[/QUOTE]
The first concert I ever went to was Cinderella opening up for Bon Jovi. Cinderella absolutely blew Bon Jovi away. Actually, Bon Jovi might have been the worst band I've ever seen live. I will give them some credit, there were a ton of hot ****z with poofed up hair and tight acid washed jeans in attendance.

[quote=Yaz1975]No one better at wanking away on pentatonic scales while doing rails of coke off of the back of the guitar WITH 5 pounds of hairspray applied all at the same time.[/quote]

LOL. Fallen Angel is a great video. Poison was the ultimate hair band with little talent but they did have a few catchy tunes. White Lion was another good one.

Bon Jovi......worst rock star ever......greatest p.ussy magnet ever.....

Poison......ahhh..... poofed, bleached hair.....make-up....high pitched vocals......one gear songs.....drug-problems.....drama-queen behaviour.....Zeppelin mimicry.....zzzzzzzzzzz...

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Bon Jovi......worst rock star ever......greatest p.ussy magnet ever.....

Poison......ahhh..... poofed, bleached hair.....make-up....high pitched vocals......one gear songs.....drug-problems.....drama-queen behaviour.....Zeppelin mimicry.....zzzzzzzzzzz...[/quote]

What's up with Bon Jovi playing at all there half time or pre-game shows? It's almost as if they are creating their own fame. People quit listening to them over 20 years ago. Time to hang it up and quit wearing skin tight jeans.

[QUOTE=The Purist]The first concert I ever went to was Cinderella opening up for Bon Jovi. Cinderella absolutely blew Bon Jovi away. Actually, Bon Jovi might have been the worst band I've ever seen live. [B]I will give them some credit, there were a ton of hot ****z with poofed up hair and tight acid washed jeans in attendance[/B].[/QUOTE]

Yeah I went and saw them when I was 19 as a favor/escort to my girl friend and her friends, man did they suck shite.

It didn't help that they were playing in the same venue that U2 had sold out the week before and only half filled for Bon Sucknobs. I'm not the biggest U2 fan in the world but they absolutely rocked the joint.

For such a wanky, girly, teeny bopper band as Bon Jovi there were a lot of lowlife bogans at that concert (from memory).

[QUOTE=famousdavis]What's up with Bon Jovi playing at all there half time or pre-game shows? It's almost as if they are creating their own fame. People quit listening to them over 20 years ago. Time to hang it up and quit wearing skin tight jeans.[/QUOTE]

There's always demand for no talent sell-outs that have brand identity to pander to those that might not otherwise pay attention.

In the case of football, guys are going to watch anyways, the female audience is really the variable.

Guys, we can't allow a thread about our beloved music stall at less than 200 posts after watching lame arguments between Larry, Alan, Jetdriver, etc. easily surpass that. Let me throw out a few ancillary topics for discussion.

1. Boy George.

2. George Michael.

3. George Carlin

4. Curious George.

Come on, don't hold back. Spill.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Guys, we can't allow a thread about our beloved music stall at less than 200 posts after watching lame arguments between Larry, Alan, Jetdriver, etc. easily surpass that. Let me throw out a few ancillary topics for discussion.

1. Boy George.

2. George Michael.

3. George Carlin

4. Curious George.

Come on, don't hold back. Spill.[/QUOTE]

5. George of the jungle.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]5. George of the jungle.[/QUOTE]

6. George Jetson

7. George foreman

[QUOTE=poe4soul]6. George Jetson

7. George foreman[/QUOTE]
The greatest George of them all, George 'the animal' Steele. And Furious George, Mr Burns' knife fighting monkey.

George Jefferson. That was Weezy's husband. I think he founded Jefferson Airplane, then moved on up to a deluxe apartment in the sky. (I think that's a metaphor for death.)

I'm waiting for Larry to chime in with Geroge W.

[quote=Not a hacker]I'm waiting for Larry to chime in with Geroge W.[/quote]

NAH, I picked up some irons yesterday from Play it Again sports and I think you may know something about them, if memory serves. I got a near mint set of Taylor Made X300 Forged irons, 2-9 (no PW) for $75. They look like they only have a few rounds on them. Is this the one that Miura designed? I hit them on the range yesterday and they felt great. I think OP may know something about these as well? Here's a quote back when they were introduced:

[B][I]Taylor Made iron to make U.S. debut
Golf World
July 28, 2000

Taylor Made-adidas Golf is introducing a new forged iron, the X300 FCI, on a limited basis in the United States, a Taylor Made executive said.

"With the recent recommitment of Taylor Made toward the really good golfer, we decided to bring it here," said Sean Toulon, Taylor Made's vice president of sales North America.

The Carlsbad, Calif., equipment maker originally developed the club for a Japanese player, Hidemichi Tanaka, who has won twice on the Japanese PGA Tour this year, and then introduced the club to the Japanese market. Taylor Made has since brought 1,500 sets to the United States.

"The plan is to bring [the iron] to the U.S. market, get it out in front of people and just get some feedback," Toulon said.

The company already has shipped the iron to a group of "influential club professionals," Toulon said, and formed an advisory board to test the clubs and make recommendations.

Some of Taylor Made's more prominent staff players are using the irons, including Ernie Els, who finished tied for second last weekend at the British Open, Mark O'Meara and Larry Nelson.

The X stands for experimental prototype; the 300 refers to Taylor Made's 300 series of clubs for the better player. The FCI stands for Flight Control Iron.

In addition to the new irons, Taylor Made is in the midst of fine-tuning a prototype driver in different clubhead sizes intended to be introduced later this year. The driver already is being used on the professional tours--37 players played the club at the Greater Milwaukee Open the same week Els used it to win the European PGA Tour's Standard Life Loch Lomond tournament.

--John Strege

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Saw Clapton live in 08 - Awesome concert
Saw The Eagles in 09 - They're old as phuck but still put on a 3+ hr concert

If you want to see a dude shread, look up Yngwie Malmsteen. I hear he's a total douche but he flat out destroys a guitar solo. This is him on an acoustic guitar at some concert. Ignore the attire. In fact, just open the video and close the screen.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDblDia5TE[/url]

[quote=Mward2002]Saw Clapton live in 08 - Awesome concert
Saw The Eagles in 09 - They're old as phuck but still put on a 3+ hr concert

If you want to see a dude shread, look up Yngwie Malmsteen. I hear he's a total douche but he flat out destroys a guitar solo. This is him on an acoustic guitar at some concert. Ignore the attire. In fact, just open the video and close the screen.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDblDia5TE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDblDia5TE[/URL][/quote]

Here's a list of the concerts I've seen ranked from best to worst:

U2 - 2002 (no, I'm not a big fan but it was amazing)
Kiss - 1996
Billy Idol - 1987
The Police - 1982
Cheap Trick - 1980
Keith Urban - 2009 (wife made me go but he's a great guitarist)
Matchbox 20 - 1998, 2004 (my wife made me go)
INXS - 1988
Def Leapard - 1988 (Europe opened for them...that was worth it for the laughs)
Huey Lewis and the News - 1985 (Just Horrible)
ZZ Top - 1997 (I was bored from the first minute to the last)
Bryan Adams - 1987 (He stood in one spot the whole time).
The Tubes - 1987
Santana - 1982 (20 minute bongo solo almost made me pull out my hair)
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