People, For The Love Of God!!!!

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[QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]
What's more infuriating to you: A group of hackers who get to their ball and swing quickly, but take forever because their making 8's and 9's or a group of decent players who take the same amount of time but shoot low 70's? I think the lesser of 2 evils is the latter group, but I still hate to wait on them. The longest round I've ever played was on July 4th of last year. We were stuck behind a group who would not let us through on the back not matter how hard we used our Jedi mind powers. When we finally finished and came into the clubhouse, it turned out one of them had broken the club record and 2 others had shot in the mid-60's. That pretty much shut us up, because yes it was our bad luck for being stuck behind them, and yes we would have liked to finish in a reasonable amount of time (we were in at just under 5 hours), and yes we would have probably had a better time, but if it had been one of us trying to break the club record, we would be taking as much time as we felt necessary. Are we wrong in this?[/QUOTE]

Slow is slow is slow. I dont give a siht if a guy shoots 120 or 65, there is no need at all to be slow. Hacks dont need 2 practice swings anymore than a scratch player needs 2 practice swings.
Get to your ball, pick a club, pick a target, swing and move on. If I see one more a-hole toss grass in the air when hes 320 out shooting 6 I will flip out.
The thing that pisses me off more than anything however, and slows down play more than anything is people waiting for par 5 greens to clear when they are 300+ yards out. You havent hit a fukcing drive 250 yards all day, why the fukc do you now believe you can hit your 3 wood 315?

Some people just need to be beaten.

[QUOTE=LyleG]Slow is slow is slow. I dont give a siht if a guy shoots 120 or 65, there is no need at all to be slow. Hacks dont need 2 practice swings anymore than a scratch player needs 2 practice swings.
Get to your ball, pick a club, pick a target, swing and move on. If I see one more a-hole toss grass in the air when hes 320 out shooting 6 I will flip out.
The thing that pisses me off more than anything however, and slows down play more than anything is people waiting for par 5 greens to clear when they are 300+ yards out. You havent hit a fukcing drive 250 yards all day, why the fukc do you now believe you can hit your 3 wood 315?

Some people just need to be beaten.[/QUOTE]

B I N G O !!!!!

[QUOTE=LyleG][QUOTE=Joeysdaddy2004]

I am a reasonable person who can play a round solo in under 2 hours on an empty course

I can say I hole out from between 20 and 50 yards about once a round, and that's not being overly generous, just how it is

/QUOTE]

I can say there is 99.9% chance you are full of sh!t.

First of all it is impossable to play a full round in under 2 hours, even alone on an empty course.
If you hole every round from this distance then you must be the greatest chipper of all time. Screw Seve, Joes the man.

Honestly, the pile of bullsh!t on this forum makes Everest look like a mole hill.[/QUOTE]

Wrong! I just played 18 in 110 minutes and almst collapsed.Played the back 9 with 5i, 9i, SW and putter and was only +7

LOL! It's true though

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]How fast does a Golf cart go. I think that the maximum is 20Mph...that even might be high. Let's assume this is the case. IN the first place you will NOT avergae near 20Mph through a round. Especially hitting an average of 82 shots (75-90).

82 is 4.5 shots per hole -- hitting a shot for me includes -- getting out the cart, selecting your club, going to the ball and, i guess in your guess, hitting it with no routine. At a minimum this is going to take 60 seconds, as Lloyd says. I say more like 1.5....but we'll even be nice here and say that you do it in 45 seconds. out of cart, get club, go to ball, hit ball, watch where ball goes, go back to cart return club, get in cart...go.

45 seconds for all that. no hurry.

That in and of itself is 61.5 minutes PA. that's ONE, EIN, UN, hour, uhr, hora. Now you still have to drive the rest of the course.

you say it takes you 20-30 seconds to hit hte ball and back in the cart. dude, seriously?

Ok, i believe that you do it...if not I have to beleive you are either a liar or have a severe issue with not being able to tell time.[/QUOTE]

How can it take 60 seconds? You have an idea of the distance from driving up, you get out, get your club and go and hit the ball >20 if you ask me

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]Well, first off, I can guarantee you it doesn't take me 60 seconds. Secondly, you failed to recognize a vital part of golf. 1/3 to 1/2 of you strokes take place around a green. If you putt or chip your ball, walk back to the cart every hole to then grab a putter every hole I will most likely hit into you because I will assume you are done on the green. Furthermore, if you take 60 seconds contemplating how you want to tap in that ball that rests on the lip of the cup, which happens about practically every other hole if not more I can most certainly guarantee I will hit into you and if I am playing with you, I will be teeing off on the next hole while you are still contemplating that 2 inch breaking putt. I think someone said earlier Tiger spends 18 seconds on putts, why would you assume I take longer, and so much longer that my overall average would fall to 60 seconds. Adding to this, if I am playing on a course that I have played 200 times, it requires very little thought to decide what I will hit off the tee, unless there is terrible wind. So this basically leaves the approach shot which would probably be the only shot that would take 60 seconds, and I find that to even be a huge stretch. Furthermore, it usually requires very little thought knowing how my putt will break as I know the greens like the back of my hand.

So believe what you want. Although after mentioning the timed rounds off my palm, I think that narrows down what you believe to me being a liar. This being the case and still failing to see what I would have to gain by stating such, I question why I should continue trying to convince you something so insignificant.[/QUOTE]


Tiger takes 18 seonds per putt...that's right...and he also averages 28 putts round. You don't. I will have to make a point of actually checking to see just how much time Tiger does spend per putt.

So you say you play about 85 on avereage... that tells me that you are hitting something like 35 to 38 putts a round.

You are NOT tapping in every hole. You are 3 putting occasionally and probably often puttng a 4-6 footer for your second on a regular basis. Of course you my be a great putter and terrible with your irons. But then you say you play the same course all the time and your scores range wildly from 75 to 90. that's a big swing.

I am a 23, and when I play a course more than 3 times I can tell you that my 23 is pretty much that.. I will have a 95 or 96 everytime after that (I only play about 15 rounds a year right now -- no time).

It's bafling to me that you cn do it... but if you say you can, I guess you can...you are really only lying to yourself if you are lying.

It does get me to thinking, becuase I am very short on time, I play a local par 3. Its relatively long, meaning there are in many instances more space between holes than the the holes length...I played sunday and played 9 holes NO one in front. I played two balls. One ball I was 4 over, and the other 2. I don't do anything mentioned, I am NOT a green reader, because at this point i don't understand how to (putting is what makes me a 23 --). My routine takes me about ( i just did it here and timed it) 45 seconds, not counting verifying where the ball landed, and putting the club back in the bag. so make it 50.

It took me 50 mintues to play those 9. I don't walk slow, I don't play slow. n fact I purposely walk relatively quickly to get some good exercise. Its 1000 meters long. plus a i said a good 500 meteres more in between. So about 1 mile.. up some hills and hown some.

[QUOTE=Lloyd_Christmas3]Memorial Day. Also known as "6-hour Round Day."[/QUOTE]

If you're going to ***** about it... maybe you shouldn't play on that particular holiday? Maybe you should be thankful instead that you were able to get out and enjoy a round instead of working.

[QUOTE=Mizunogolfer]If you're going to ***** about it... maybe you shouldn't play on that particular holiday? Maybe you should be thankful instead that you were able to get out and enjoy a round instead of working.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Anybody who whines about a slow round on a golf course or crowds at an amusement park on a holiday should probably question what they were expecting in the first place. Obviously, slow play is annoying and the marshalls should do their part, but face it.....a holiday round isn't going to be like a Wednesday afternoon.
It's the same reason that the "locals" with season passes usually don't go skiing between Christmas and New Years Day.

108 now. 109 with this reply. It's so helpful :)

[QUOTE=dorkman53]Exactly. Anybody who whines about a slow round on a golf course or crowds at an amusement park on a holiday should probably question what they were expecting in the first place. Obviously, slow play is annoying and the marshalls should do their part, but face it.....a holiday round isn't going to be like a Wednesday afternoon.
It's the same reason that the "locals" with season passes usually don't go skiing between Christmas and New Years Day.[/QUOTE]

I thought you weren't reading my threads anymore?

I knew you couldn't resist....

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]Tiger takes 18 seonds per putt...that's right...and he also averages 28 putts round. You don't. I will have to make a point of actually checking to see just how much time Tiger does spend per putt.

So you say you play about 85 on avereage... that tells me that you are hitting something like 35 to 38 putts a round.

You are NOT tapping in every hole. You are 3 putting occasionally and probably often puttng a 4-6 footer for your second on a regular basis. Of course you my be a great putter and terrible with your irons. But then you say you play the same course all the time and your scores range wildly from 75 to 90. that's a big swing.[/QUOTE]
I never mentioned averages in my statements. I simply mentioned the strokes in regards to what I can do in a span of what we were talking about, and my mention that I what I could accomplish in a span of 20-30 minutes of actual play. That being my low score, and probably my current average on my current course which has a 135 slope from 5600 and 142 from 5900.

Actually your assumptions about my putting are pretty far off the mark. When I played at my old course my putting average was between 25-26 (I hate to imagine the direction this will lead the conversation), in large part because of my familiarity with the greens. Last year it ranged between 31 and 32, and it is currently about 29. And yes, the reason my average is so low is because I do have a lot of tap ins whether it be from a good chip or a good first putt. My irons are give or take, and my woods are the same. Nothing terrible. The reason for the higher scoring on my new home course is more in relation to Penalties and problems off the tee, in large part due to what I feel is the course being extremely tough. My handicap on my old course was a 15, it got as high as 24 since moving up here and is now around 21 and dropping.

But again, the I fail to see how my scoring has anything to do with the timeframe unless you are trying to make a point that if I were to slow down I would score better, or refuted that I can do 75-90 golf shots in 20-30 minutes. It appears the concensus is that this is quite possible. I would disagree with being able to score better as well, because as I indicated, the majority of my better rounds were also played in a relatively quick time. Whether it be the 2 rounds I shot in the 70's at my old course that took under 1 hour, or the rounds I shot in the 80's on my new course that took between 2-2 1/2 hours. Probably the top 5% scoring rounds on either course. Then again, you could probably attribute the quicker rounds with fewer strokes.

Finally, as I indicated before, it is not my quest to play fast, it is simply my nature. It really means nothing to me that I can finish 18 in under an hour, in the same way that I do not understand why it would mean anything to anyone else except for maybe the people I play with, follow on the course, or play in front of on the course. My only intention on providing my .02 cents was simply to refute that others indicated it was "Impossible" to complete 18 holes on a standard course in under 2 hours.

This seems about as fun to argue as whether green M&M's taste better than Blue one. Or whether there is such a thing as a $2 bill simply because others have not seen one. I personally know that they exist, but it is really not something that has a big impact on me should others not believe.

If all of you guys would shut the hell up with your whining I'd be able to putt out.... but NOOOOO, you just keep droning on about how long it takes to get out of a cart and swing a club. I'm trying to friggin PUTT, shut up!

[QUOTE=19handicap]lloyd, why do your threads kick so much A$$? you are definitly the best GR troll since spank. you should be commended in every way possible. haha
if not for you we'd have nothing to read except stuff about GOLF. how fun...[/QUOTE]

I'm not trolling - I seriously hate when people use the little line routine.

And just so you know, according to some I am actually Spank.

[QUOTE]= I am actually Spank.[/QUOTE]

He admitted it! Burn him at the stake! :eek: :eek:

I can walk a fairly well laid out 6000 yard course in 2 hrs 45 mins at a comfortable pace. My average round is in the low to mid 90s and I play my best when my round is under 3.25 hours. My fastest nine walking (some running...it was getting dark) is 38 minutes.

Give me a cart with an empty course on a day when it's not "cart path only" and I knock a minimum of 45 minutes off my time.

On days when I'm swinging well and hitting it consistently in the short grass (that is, I'm not looking for balls in the rough, hacking it out from hazards, etc.), then I can dip down into the 1.5 hour range without feeling rushed.

Change it to a 5000 yard course that I know very well, and knock 5-10 strokes off my average score, and I have no problem believing that a 1 hr round or under is possible while still being enjoyable.

I played yeaterday and hit every drive 320 yards, I was hitting my sand wedge 155 into the par 5's and played the whole 18 in 37 minutes. I now belong here.

[QUOTE=LyleG]I played yeaterday and hit every drive 320 yards, I was hitting my sand wedge 155 into the par 5's and played the whole 18 in 37 minutes. I now belong here.[/QUOTE]

ahhhhh, but how many times did you chip in?

[QUOTE=LyleG]I played yeaterday and hit every drive 320 yards, I was hitting my sand wedge 155 into the par 5's and played the whole 18 in 37 minutes. I now belong here.[/QUOTE]
Nice use of the yardages to mock that which is perfectly reasonable. Really, if you're hitting it straight (that is, your ball is easily findable), it doesn't take long to hit a ball, walk up to it, and hit it again. Maybe it does for you, but it sure doesn't for me. Walking, I can easily play a non-par 5 in 4-6 minutes depending on it's length. What really tacks time onto a walking round is the length you have to walk sometimes to get from a green to the next tee. If the tees are right there, a round can go by pretty fast. In a cart, even faster. On a course you've played many times, faster still.

Just because you are incapable of playing that way, or choose not to play that way, doesn't mean it isn't being done enjoyably by someone else. It's not like PA has a posting history that's rife with outlandish claims...why jump all over him for this?

I also forgot to add that I chipped in 7 times, colored my whole ball black to help line up putts,
and alternated between a brush tee and epoch.

I just played the course in 18. did in 13 minutes.

I am tired and will go to sleep. I can sleep 8 hours in 45 minutes on a good night when no one is sleeping in front of me.

vive la realidad, y viva GOLF

Hyperbole, the safest haven for a simple mind...

[QUOTE=WarriorPoet]Hyperbole, the safest haven for a simple mind...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the compliment.

With a mind as complicated as yours I suppose it only took you 38 drafts and and 3 friends to proof read this.

Good work my man.
:idea: :idea:

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]It does get me to thinking, becuase I am very short on time, I play a local par 3. Its relatively long, meaning there are in many instances more space between holes than the the holes length...I played sunday and played 9 holes NO one in front. I played two balls. One ball I was 4 over, and the other 2. I don't do anything mentioned, I am NOT a green reader, because at this point i don't understand how to (putting is what makes me a 23 --). My routine takes me about ( i just did it here and timed it) 45 seconds, not counting verifying where the ball landed, and putting the club back in the bag. so make it 50.

It took me 50 mintues to play those 9. I don't walk slow, I don't play slow. n fact I purposely walk relatively quickly to get some good exercise. Its 1000 meters long. plus a i said a good 500 meteres more in between. So about 1 mile.. up some hills and hown some.[/QUOTE]
Let's put this into perspective. You say you played a par 27 with 2 balls in 50 minutes walking with pretty good distance in between holes. Yet you feel anyone who can walk 18 on a par 68 with hardly any distance in between holes for just one ball in less than 2 hours (as was my statement, although to be specific it was close to 1:30) must be lying. To provide even more detail, there is so little distance in between most of the holes that I take the club I tee with on the next hole to the next green of the prior hole. Do the math and get back to me.

Now if the skepticism is in relation to being able to play 18 riding in 45 minutes, are you suggesting that someone cannot play a round in a cart in half the time it takes to walk the course?

Or if you are questioning being able to play 18 on a 13 mile course and shoot in the low 80's in 2:13 as was my statement, I am still waiting for an answer to how long it would take a foursome on a busy weekend to complete this course. I still find it hard to believe you would think a course could operate with 9-12 hour rounds, or for that matter even allow the first foursome to complete the round under daylight if they tee off at say 9am. Do you really think a course can make money and have members when they only take tee times between 7 and 9am? More importantly, the issue of why it would really matter for me to stand behind my claim where it not true. I didn't realize there was an award for being able to do so.

I applaud WarriorPoet for taking the time to think this one through, yet he was criticized for doing so simply because you find it inconceivable.

At least acknowledge the questions that are pose and refute them with logical information. So far what you have stated only supports what I indicated.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]With a mind as complicated as yours I suppose it only took you 38 drafts and and 3 friends to proof read this.[/QUOTE]
Back to my initial comment, I applaud WarriorPoet for taking the time to think through what he states on this forum. Obviously you feel that thinking through what you say, and what impact it may have on your credibility is a bad thing. I suppose you feel more people should just blindly state the first thing that comes to mind.

[QUOTE=WarriorPoet], it doesn't take long to hit a ball, walk up to it, and hit it again. [/QUOTE]

This is of course what golf was before wall to wall coverage of PGA tour events, You are not Tiger, you are not a pro, see ball hit ball play in three hours, go back to your family.

Slow play is the direct result of our own lack of patience.(ohmmmmmmmmmm)

Yesterday I caught up to 2 younger guys who offered to let me play through but I joined instead. Big mistake. They drove me nuts. Lining up putts from the fringe, 5 pracitice swings, chunk, another 5, chunk. 339 yd. par 4 one of the kids hits a big drive to about 50yds. away (it's downhill like 60feet.) Then proceeds to chunk a 60* wedge 4 times and then 3putt, lining em up like the Masters. I was ready to shoot myself in the head.

Today I had good luck. I played the front alone. Then there was a lot of traffic headed out back and a few very slow groups. I played the front again, but didn't keep score. I played with a guy who was on his way up to city for business and we got through 18 in under 3hrs. Actually had a 3rd guy join us on the back. We played that "ready golf" and got done before dark easily. I played 27 in the time it took to play 18 the day before and for $4 less. :D

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]Thanks for the compliment.

With a mind as complicated as yours I suppose it only took you 38 drafts and and 3 friends to proof read this.

Good work my man.
:idea: :idea:[/QUOTE]
Nope, it only took 7 drafts and 1.5 friends...we run at half-capacity on weekends.

We would have withheld our response untill a weekday, but it wasn't billable time.

Sincerely,

The Staff


P.S. You are right that having a "simple mind" can be quite the compliment. There is something very underrated about a person who is confident in his purpose and simply pursues that end. It's just a shame that your pursuit tends to be so...immature.

[QUOTE=PA Jayhawk]Let's put this into perspective. You say you played a par 27 with 2 balls in 50 minutes walking with pretty good distance in between holes. Yet you feel anyone who can walk 18 on a par 68 with hardly any distance in between holes for just one ball in less than 2 hours (as was my statement, although to be specific it was close to 1:30) must be lying. To provide even more detail, there is so little distance in between most of the holes that I take the club I tee with on the next hole to the next green of the prior hole. Do the math and get back to me.

Now if the skepticism is in relation to being able to play 18 riding in 45 minutes, are you suggesting that someone cannot play a round in a cart in half the time it takes to walk the course?

Or if you are questioning being able to play 18 on a 13 mile course and shoot in the low 80's in 2:13 as was my statement, I am still waiting for an answer to how long it would take a foursome on a busy weekend to complete this course. I still find it hard to believe you would think a course could operate with 9-12 hour rounds, or for that matter even allow the first foursome to complete the round under daylight if they tee off at say 9am. Do you really think a course can make money and have members when they only take tee times between 7 and 9am? More importantly, the issue of why it would really matter for me to stand behind my claim where it not true. I didn't realize there was an award for being able to do so.

I applaud WarriorPoet for taking the time to think this one through, yet he was criticized for doing so simply because you find it inconceivable.

At least acknowledge the questions that are pose and refute them with logical information. So far what you have stated only supports what I indicated.[/QUOTE]

sorry Charlie, I said it was 9 holes. That would be about 2 hours for the full 18.

ANd no I have no illusions that it would take more than 4 hours or so to play that course. If you are walking it would take longer. Average walking speed is between 3-5 miles an hour. So yes if you walked this course, spent your 30 minutes actually hitting the ball and the rest walking, it would take you between 2.5 and 4.5 hours to walk the rest. Now of course I would say that most people will be in the 3mph area or less if as you say the course is hilly.

If you are in cart it will be much faster -- which I mentioned.

Look I even asked the Scottish Marshall at my home course. He laughed at the idea of someone playing a round of golf in less than hour...never heard of it.

Well that's only because he's Scottish..............

[QUOTE=WarriorPoet]Nope, it only took 7 drafts and 1.5 friends...we run at half-capacity on weekends.

We would have withheld our response untill a weekday, but it wasn't billable time.

Sincerely,

The Staff


P.S. You are right that having a "simple mind" can be quite the compliment. There is something very underrated about a person who is confident in his purpose and simply pursues that end. It's just a shame that your pursuit tends to be so...immature.[/QUOTE]

oooooo! look out...

Come on, give it a break.
To you an PA -- have I not given at least as reasonalbe and thought out an arguement as you have? Just becuase I don't believe that anyone playing regular golf, as opposed to Speed Golf, has played a round in under an hour does not make me immature.

So let's go back to your statement that it should be easy to play in less than 2.5 hours. You state you playin the low 90's. So, you are NOT straight, and your ball is not easily finadable on at least several holes a round. It is why you play in the 90's, either that or your shortgame and putting are bad. So do you play by the rules? When you tee off OB, do you go up an drop? or hit another ball? When you can't find your ball, do you drop or go back and rehit?

If you were saying you shot a 75 or 80, I would believe it.

P.S. You are a poopy face

[QUOTE=Spaingolf] So do you play by the rules? When you tee off OB, do you go up an drop? or hit another ball? When you can't find your ball, do you drop or go back and rehit?
[/QUOTE]

Small point but fairly germane here, if there is the slightest doubt that you might not find your ball PLAY A PROVISIONAL !!! That should save ten minutes a round.

I don't think those of us who line their ball or use the logo to line up a put are to blame for slow play. I use the line on my ball to match the line I want to take to the hole and than use it to make sure my putter is square to the ball at address - I don't take much time to do it. This has helped reduce my 3 putts to no more than 1-2 a round (some times none). What is slower, lining up the first putt and tapping in or takeing 3 putts to get home?

Some players are just slow in general on and around the green. The best are the guys just off the the green that spend 2 minutes looking at a short-sided downhill chip that they "just might hole" only to decelerate into an 18 inch chip that doesn't reach the green or look up and blade the thing across the green entirely.

Then there are the hackers who wait for the green to clear from 260 so they can swing from their a$$ and chunk a 3 wood 50 yards further into the rough and repeat. I am all for safe play but you could hit your drive more than 200 but you think you're going to smoke a 3 wood 260 now?

[QUOTE]So do you play by the rules? [/QUOTE]

With the group I used to play regularly with, you got one swing off the tee and then a provisional if you think you were OB or deep in the woods. If both shots get lost you were out of the hole and dropping a ball at the 150 marker or next to the other guys so you could finish the hole and putt out before taking your X.

Average -- I know it seemed like Lloyd was pointing the finger at balls with lines..I think really the deeper point is about the guys who use the line, spend 10 or 15 seconds getting 'perfect'. and leave it 6 feet short or 15 feet on the other side.

His point, which I agree, and so do you it appears, are the people who just don't realize their own limitations. I am not saying play fast. I am saying don't pose and posture and pretend to be a professional. It doesn't make a difference. And in these guys cases the little line on the ball isn't helping either -- it's just another device for them to "look cool" on the course....

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]sorry Charlie, I said it was 9 holes. That would be about 2 hours for the full 18.

ANd no I have no illusions that it would take more than 4 hours or so to play that course. If you are walking it would take longer. Average walking speed is between 3-5 miles an hour. So yes if you walked this course, spent your 30 minutes actually hitting the ball and the rest walking, it would take you between 2.5 and 4.5 hours to walk the rest. Now of course I would say that most people will be in the 3mph area or less if as you say the course is hilly.

If you are in cart it will be much faster -- which I mentioned.

Look I even asked the Scottish Marshall at my home course. He laughed at the idea of someone playing a round of golf in less than hour...never heard of it.[/QUOTE]
You obviously failed to read my post, or at least my first comment. I indicated a par 27, last I counted 9 holes on a par 3 course would be 27, although I will double check this with my calculator. Ahhh, yes 3*9=27. Again do the math. Even more, as you indicated, you play 2 balls. A shot takes you 50 seconds, or so you proclaim. I will assume you hit every green and spent little time putting. So minimal, based on your figures your second ball took probabably about 15 minutes of your time (again based on your figures, and absolute minimum). That would mean you spent about 30-35 minutes walking as well as playing your first ball on a long course which has big gaps in between holes. Doing the math 50 minutes times 2 playing 2 balls does not equate to 2 hours playing 18 with one ball. Maybe the entire problem here is that you are just really bad at math and need a calculator.

Again, read what I post, and comment on what I say as opposed to simply assuming what you think I mean to say. When you find a calculator, do the math on my initial comments that you failed to answer and get back to me. Personally, I am tired of repeating myself and watching you scramble numbers around in complete illogical ways to try and support your faulty claims. According to your figures, you are playing faster than me. I walked and played 76 strokes with no gaps in 1:30, you seem to be able to walk and play 29 strokes in 30 minutes (if I take your two over score). So you could do 90 strokes in 1:30 minutes with big gaps in between holes.

Buy a calculator, they cost about $1

edit 1 - and repeating myself again, I have never given any indication that I have attempted to walk my 13 mile course on rugged terrain. To be specific, they indicated only 3 people have in the life of the course, and only 1 made it as far as the 6th tee box before giving up.

[QUOTE=Singsling]Small point but fairly germane here, if there is the slightest doubt that you might not find your ball PLAY A PROVISIONAL !!! That should save ten minutes a round.[/QUOTE]
I think this is an important point here as he now seems to want to twist this into an issue of Golf rules. He seems to want to believe that this is my average time and not an extreme situation.

Rarely do I have the course all to myself, rarely do I not hemorrhage golf balls to the Pennsylvania wildlife in a way that makes the squirrells, deer, turkey, and occasional bear run in fear as they feel they are being shelled with white walnuts, and even more rarely do I manage to shoot a round in the 70's or even low 80's. If the planets allign, and all of these do infact happen, in my case it will usually account for a round that even Hermes the God of Speed would praise.

Then again, he seems to want to take no account for what local rules may be. For example, there are quite a few drop areas on my course. If I lose a ball in the trees, I don't go back and hit another, as it is sometimes an "every hole" occurance and Maxfli does not make enough golf balls to support my habit if I were to do so. Then again, I never spend a great deal of time looking for a golf ball that is 20 yards deep in the woods, nor have I claimed to play one of these extreme rounds when I did so.

I my home course I could conceivably shoot in the high ninetys in a fast rate because of the drop areas on the course. When you have 150 yards of cr@p to clear and don't make it over, it doesn't really slow you down to drive around and use the drop area. The 90 I shot in 2:28 minutes should be a pretty good indication of that, although it was 15 minutes longer than the 82, so I obiously spent some time hunting for golf balls.

[QUOTE=LyleG]I played yeaterday and hit every drive 320 yards, I was hitting my sand wedge 155 into the par 5's and played the whole 18 in 37 minutes. I now belong here.[/QUOTE]

That sand wedge was only 150 yards you liar!

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]I just played the course in 18. did in 13 minutes.

I am tired and will go to sleep. I can sleep 8 hours in 45 minutes on a good night when no one is sleeping in front of me.

vive la realidad, y viva GOLF[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter if they're sleeping in front of you, so long as they don't have lines on their balls

Spell correctly man.

But those lines look bent on a golf ball, as do most markings. I barely defile my ball with a small dot between the name and number of the ball

[QUOTE=emc]Spell correctly man.[/QUOTE]
D@mned if you do, D@mned if you don't. Either told to spell correctly, or told that I spend too much time proofreading the document.

:)

[QUOTE=emc]It doesn't matter if they're sleeping in front of you, so long as they don't have lines on their balls[/QUOTE]

Good point.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]oooooo! look out...

Come on, give it a break.
To you an PA -- have I not given at least as reasonalbe and thought out an arguement as you have?[/QUOTE]
At times, you most certainly have. At others, you've not even come close.

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Just becuase I don't believe that anyone playing regular golf, as opposed to Speed Golf, has played a round in under an hour does not make me immature.
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Correct, it's the tone of some of your posts that makes you sound immature.

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So let's go back to your statement that it should be easy to play in less than 2.5 hours. You state you playin the low 90's. So, you are NOT straight, and your ball is not easily finadable on at least several holes a round. It is why you play in the 90's, either that or your shortgame and putting are bad.
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I average one lost ball per round. I also average 34 PPR. Honestly, what is/was holding my score back the most was my length. I currently play 6000-6300 yards (due to playing partners) and the longest club I carry on the course is my 19* hybrid. My last three 9s have been 41, 44, 46. My last 18 was a 90. Two other weaknesses are distance control on partial wedge shots and long chips. I seem to be able to put them close enough for easy two putts...but rarely close enough to have a better than even money shot at getting down in one. So, on any hole of decent length I'm short of the green and I have to pitch or chip on...then, easy two putt. There you go, bogey golf.

Just for fun, I'm also 3 for 7 in sand save opportunities this year.

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So do you play by the rules? When you tee off OB, do you go up an drop? or hit another ball? When you can't find your ball, do you drop or go back and rehit?
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It depends on the circumstances. When I play by myself, I play by the rules as far as I know them...provos included. When I play side-games with partners under different rules, I respect those rules. Like I said, I average right at 1 OB a round, so we're not talking a lot of strokes no matter what happens. My scores generally reflect my overall playing ability.

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If you were saying you shot a 75 or 80, I would believe it.

P.S. You are a poopy face[/QUOTE]
And we lapse back into immaturity.


I'm not trying to tear you down or start a "fight." All I said in my last post was that your posts tend to sound immature. And they do...I could easily find a dozen examples in this thread alone. If you are sticking to your opinion and want to argue the point, that's one thing. Nobody said that we all have to agree. I just don't see the need to treat PA...who's a very respectable poster here...like you would Benguk or some other borderline troll.

If sounding that way just your style...fine, even Canada is a free country. ;) I've said my piece and I intend to let the matter drop here.

P.S. I live in St. Louis and am a diehard Blues fan. I'm guessing if you're probably rooting for Edmonton right now, even if they aren't your "real" team. No matter what, you're getting the last laugh on me since that Pronger trade is going to go down as one of the worst trades in recent history. I've been sick over that all year... Ugh.

[QUOTE=WarriorPoet]At times, you most certainly have. At others, you've not even come close.


Correct, it's the tone of some of your posts that makes you sound immature.


I average one lost ball per round. I also average 34 PPR. Honestly, what is/was holding my score back the most was my length. I currently play 6000-6300 yards (due to playing partners) and the longest club I carry on the course is my 19* hybrid. My last three 9s have been 41, 44, 46. My last 18 was a 90. Two other weaknesses are distance control on partial wedge shots and long chips. I seem to be able to put them close enough for easy two putts...but rarely close enough to have a better than even money shot at getting down in one. So, on any hole of decent length I'm short of the green and I have to pitch or chip on...then, easy two putt. There you go, bogey golf.

Just for fun, I'm also 3 for 7 in sand save opportunities this year.


It depends on the circumstances. When I play by myself, I play by the rules as far as I know them...provos included. When I play side-games with partners under different rules, I respect those rules. Like I said, I average right at 1 OB a round, so we're not talking a lot of strokes no matter what happens. My scores generally reflect my overall playing ability.


And we lapse back into immaturity.


I'm not trying to tear you down or start a "fight." All I said in my last post was that your posts tend to sound immature. And they do...I could easily find a dozen examples in this thread alone. If you are sticking to your opinion and want to argue the point, that's one thing. Nobody said that we all have to agree. I just don't see the need to treat PA...who's a very respectable poster here...like you would Benguk or some other borderline troll.

If sounding that way just your style...fine, even Canada is a free country. ;) I've said my piece and I intend to let the matter drop here.

P.S. I live in St. Louis and am a diehard Blues fan. I'm guessing if you're probably rooting for Edmonton right now, even if they aren't your "real" team. No matter what, you're getting the last laugh on me since that Pronger trade is going to go down as one of the worst trades in recent history. I've been sick over that all year... Ugh.[/QUOTE]


Not sure why you think I am in Canada, or even Canadian. I live in Spain and an American Citizen. Kings fan actually but after the lock out/strike I gave up on Hockey. As I will with any professional sport that goes on strike from now on.

As for my immmature posting. Style I guess.. and of course how you want to read what I am writing. I don't think that I am treating PA poorly. I am responding to what i consider, and what every avid golfer I know has agreed with, an outrageous statement.

Some of my more immature moments were simply a reaction to what I too thought to be, in your words, hyperbole.

C',on guys. Let's get this thread to 200!

Was at Billy Conolly's (a Scottish comedian) show last night in New York and while having a go at golfers and people who wear beige he came out with:

'Golf was invented to get men out of the house for three hours on a Sunday morning'

Note 3 hours!!!

Rounds taking more than 3 1/2 hours has only happened in the last 15 years. It's the hackers acting like the pros

[QUOTE=emc]Rounds taking more than 3 1/2 hours has only happened in the last 15 years. It's the hackers acting like the pros[/QUOTE]

Begs the question as to whether the Pros have also got slower in the last 15 years or so...

[QUOTE=Singsling]Begs the question as to whether the Pros have also got slower in the last 15 years or so...[/QUOTE]

Without a doubt they have. This is one area where the tour needs to make a stand and start hitting guys, and hitting them hard, with strokes and fines.

Slow play is unacceptable at any level. Look how baseball and hockey have added rules just to speed up play. Both have worked exactly as planned.

And if Ben Crane doesnt like it, do damn bad.

[QUOTE=Spaingolf]Not sure why you think I am in Canada, or even Canadian. I live in Spain and an American Citizen. Kings fan actually but after the lock out/strike I gave up on Hockey. As I will with any professional sport that goes on strike from now on.

As for my immmature posting. Style I guess.. and of course how you want to read what I am writing. I don't think that I am treating PA poorly. I am responding to what i consider, and what every avid golfer I know has agreed with, an outrageous statement.

Some of my more immature moments were simply a reaction to what I too thought to be, in your words, hyperbole.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I mixed you up with LyleG...who I believe is Canadian. He made a similar style post earlier and for some reason I was thinking of that and his name when I responded to you.

As for the rest..well said. I may disagree, but I can certainly respect what you're saying.

But the other side of them speeding up play is that the TV stations will not be able to show as many people hit as many shots. Harrington could also do with a kick up the behind

That's one factor that is important to this whole question. It is BECUASE the pro's play slow, Sergio with his 200 waggles etc...that show the posers out that there what "they should be doing to play like a pro"...or at least look like one.

Just the other day. I was playing on a 3.5 hour pace...going onto the 13th. I ended up having to play the last 6 holes with a older Dutch couple, becuase in front of us was a couple who seriously were the protypical players were are discussing.

Now I don't know if they had the line on the ball :). But it was so aggravating to watch the guy stand behind his ball, play with his shirt sleeves, slowly walk up, get into his stance, make some F'd up movements to insure his alignment...now mind you this whole thing is taking 2 or 3 min. Then he finally get's to settle on the ball. Waggle....pause...waggle again....pause...waggle...look up...pause...longer puase...swing. and hit the a screaming low line drive about 100 yards. Throw his hands in the air.

Wife was doing the same sh*t

Now I must add that in front of them was a group playing slow. And this pair was killing me. Not once in the 6 holes we were behind them did one of them hit anything further than 150-160 yards, but, there they were waiting for the green to clear 250 yards ahead before they took a swing.

It didn't make any sense to try to ask them to play through, we would have had to wait, or I would've...but the point was, that this was their natural pace as there were times where they did even end up almost an entire hole behind the group in front.

oh well...

[QUOTE=emc]But the other side of them speeding up play is that the TV stations will not be able to show as many people hit as many shots. [/QUOTE]

As someone who comes from outside of the US I find that comment highly ironic, TV over here only ever shows about 4 or 5 golfers, Tiger, Phil and possibly two other golfers who just happen to be leading the damn tournament!

In the closing stages it is, one drive/iron shot, a couple of putts, a brief glimpse of the first page of the leader board, two minutes of ads and start again. For the first three days it is marginally better but not by much.

[QUOTE=Singsling]As someone who comes from outside of the US I find that comment highly ironic, TV over here only ever shows about 4 or 5 golfers, Tiger, Phil and possibly two other golfers who just happen to be leading the damn tournament!

In the closing stages it is, one drive/iron shot, a couple of putts, a brief glimpse of the first page of the leader board, two minutes of ads and start again. For the first three days it is marginally better but not by much.[/QUOTE]
I would have to fully agree with this, and is one of the main reasons I really do not watch a lot of golf on TV. It annoys me to no end when they are showing Tiger or Phil walking to their ball after a tee shot and you hear screaming and cheering in the background somewhere else on the course. Usually that is about the time the break for comercial so they can try and sort out where the screaming a cheering is coming from and find out if they possibly have footage of it that they can show when they come back 5 minutes after the fact. I have reached the point where I really only watch the last couple hours of majors.

[QUOTE=Singsling]As someone who comes from outside of the US I find that comment highly ironic, TV over here only ever shows about 4 or 5 golfers, Tiger, Phil and possibly two other golfers who just happen to be leading the damn tournament!

In the closing stages it is, one drive/iron shot, a couple of putts, a brief glimpse of the first page of the leader board, two minutes of ads and start again. For the first three days it is marginally better but not by much.[/QUOTE]

Usually it's 2 minutes of watching the flowers, 2 minutes of ads, 2 minutes of Ben Crane's preshot routine. Thank God for BBC's no ad golf!

That's holiday golf for you. I regularly get stuck for 5 hours in Spain in the sweltering heat. Not fun I can tell you!

[QUOTE=emc]That's holiday golf for you. I regularly get stuck for 5 hours in Spain in the sweltering heat. Not fun I can tell you![/QUOTE]
Ryanair has been a blessing and a curse. Now it's so easy an cheap to fly europe...but now the courses that used to be empty most of the year are full all the time...with Irish, English, dutch and Gemans...

Mid-week first Tee time is the only way to do it I guess.