A must read for all Scratch and Miura fans.

I know this may sound like I am a very small man without a life but......Today is a very big day for me. :D :D
Never in my wildest dreams did I think this thread would achieve 100 posts, let alone 200!!!
I want to thank you all. I can now die a happy man.

Congrats OP. Sure, there was sidebar, but only HOF material can get something started that reaches 200.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]I know this may sound like I am a very small man without a life but......Today is a very big day for me. :D :D
Never in my wildest dreams did I think this thread would achieve 100 posts, let alone 200!!!
I want to thank you all. I can now die a happy man.[/QUOTE]

So are you posting the message of thanks to Dorkman or are you going to have Spank hand deliver it?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]So are you posting the message of thanks to Dorkman or are you going to have Spank hand deliver it?[/QUOTE]

The thanks is to one and all, you also had your contribution Kiwi. Yes Dorkman did his best to fend off the many jibes, taunts and attacks; but in the end I think his justification of Scratch fell short.
The concensus has been reached on GR. Scratch are overpriced, average quality forgings, poser clubs. [B][U]And the GR ban that has been mooted should now be officially enforced.[/U][/B]
Although Spank has had some input, Dorkmans personal arse-whipping may remain only a slight posibility in a vauge future. I think it would be more appropriate for HB and Lorenzo to thank Dorkman for galvanizing their attitudes as to the validity of $600 wedges.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]The thanks is to one and all, you also had your contribution Kiwi. Yes [B]Dorkman did his best to fend off the many jibes, taunts and attacks; but in the end I think his justification of Scratch fell short. [/B]
The concensus has been reached on GR. Scratch are overpriced, average quality forgings, poser clubs. [B][U]And the GR ban that has been mooted should now be officially enforced.[/U][/B]
Although Spank has had some input, Dorkmans personal arse-whipping may remain only a slight posibility in a vauge future. I think it would be more appropriate for HB and Lorenzo to thank Dorkman for galvanizing their attitudes as to the validity of $600 wedges.[/QUOTE]

There could be another 200 post thread in this. I believe that Dorkman has a full bag of scratch irons in addition to the $600 wedges.

Congrats on the thread OP, you bastard. Yes, I'm a little bitter as I can't even break 100 with a Larryrsf thread. You realize that breaking 200 is like breaking par?

Here's to hitting 300... Cheers!!!

Here is a little taste of what is going on at Scratch.

[QUOTE]Test results are in! For those who have missed it there was a big controversy about Scratch Golf's advertising claims that spanned across multiple forum's and blog websites. Here were the claims I made against Scratch Golf last week:
1. It was my opinion that they did not use 1018 carbon steel for their Irons & Wedges
2. Scratch Golf claims Forged by Ishihara-Shoten yet Ishihara-Shoten doesn't forge golf clubs
3. ( TSG ) wedge was not Ishihara Forged or made of 1018 as we were led to believe
4. Scratch is using Open Model Blanks dispite claiming their products are Original Designs[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.golftoimpress.com/2010/03/scratch-golf-1018-controversy-test-results/#more-9930[/url]

Here are the cliff notes Dorkman:

There is nothing special about your "custom" scratch wedge...its just a open model blank (non original) that was forged in China with an inferior grade of metal.

I have no problem with Scratch overcharging for their wedges, but the lying and deception makes my stomach turn.

[QUOTE=The Purist]Here are the cliff notes Dorkman:

There is nothing special about your "custom" scratch wedge...its just a open model blank (non original) that was forged in China with an inferior grade of metal.

I have no problem with Scratch overcharging for their wedges, but the lying and deception makes my stomach turn.[/QUOTE]
It's a free country. You are free to hold your wrong opinion until the cows come home, but you, and many others who are equally ignorant, are and will continue to be dead wrong on this issue. No matter how many people believe a fallacy, it doesn't make it true. Nobody has put forth any evidence to the contrary; they have simply offered opinions, and opinions based on no solid foundation.

[QUOTE=dorkman53]It's a free country. You are free to hold your wrong opinion until the cows come home, but you, and many others who are equally ignorant, are and will continue to be dead wrong on this issue. No matter how many people believe a fallacy, it doesn't make it true. Nobody has put forth any evidence to the contrary; they have simply offered opinions, and opinions based on no solid foundation.[/QUOTE]
That Scratch koolaid must be delicious. $600 a glass is a little steep though.

[QUOTE=dorkman53]It's a free country. You are free to hold your wrong opinion until the cows come home, but you, and many others who are equally ignorant, are and will continue to be dead wrong on this issue. [B][COLOR="Red"]No matter how many people believe a fallacy, it doesn't make it true[/COLOR]. [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Nobody has put forth any evidence to the contrary; they have simply offered opinions, and opinions based on no solid foundation[/COLOR][/B].[/QUOTE]


In response to the [COLOR="Red"]red[/COLOR] bolded statement - absolutely 100% TRUE.

In response to the [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]blue[/COLOR] bolded statement: here's the independent metallurgical analysis - AKA evidence.

[URL="http://www.golftoimpress.com/2010/03/scratch-golf-1018-controversy-test-results/#more-9930"]http://www.golftoimpress.com/2010/03/scratch-golf-1018-controversy-test-results/#more-9930[/URL]

You just owned yourself with your own logic. Bravo.



FON

[QUOTE=dorkman53]It's a free country. You are free to hold your wrong opinion until the cows come home, but you, and many others who are equally ignorant, are and will continue to be dead wrong on this issue. No matter how many people believe a fallacy, it doesn't make it true. Nobody has put forth any evidence to the contrary; they have simply offered opinions, and opinions based on no solid foundation.[/QUOTE]
The only way to solve this matter is for you to send your wedge in for testing. I will pay for the analysis...just PM me the information for the independent testing laboratory of your choosing.

But isn't the wedge destroyed or at least mutilated in some way in order to perform the analysis? Who will pay to replace the $1900 wedge?

[QUOTE=KoolCat]But isn't the wedge destroyed or at least mutilated in some way in order to perform the analysis? Who will pay to replace the $1900 wedge?[/QUOTE]
If the CEO of Scratch is so great and noble, I would think a simple letter explaining the situation would be sufficient grounds for a free replacement.

[QUOTE=The Purist]If the CEO of Scratch is so great and noble, I would think a simple letter explaining the situation would be sufficient grounds for a free replacement.[/QUOTE]
If the CEO was really a great guy, he would replace the wedge with something like a Mizuno which doesn't resort to trickeration to dupe gullable golf nerds into buying a cheaply built wedge for 5x the going price.
This is too funny. Looks like Scratch has crashed its Escalade. Where's TMZ?

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature]In response to the [COLOR="Red"]red[/COLOR] bolded statement - absolutely 100% TRUE.

In response to the [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]blue[/COLOR] bolded statement: here's the independent metallurgical analysis - AKA evidence.

[URL="http://www.golftoimpress.com/2010/03/scratch-golf-1018-controversy-test-results/#more-9930"]http://www.golftoimpress.com/2010/03/scratch-golf-1018-controversy-test-results/#more-9930[/URL]

You just owned yourself with your own logic. Bravo.



FON[/QUOTE]
You, too, have a comprehension deficit. If you will actually READ my posts, you will understand (is this even possible?) that I don't care about the composition of the steel, where it was forged, or where it was ground or plated. I DO care about the sole grinds, and it doesn't take a metallurgist to determine the fact that they have unique sole grinds. THIS is what makes Scratch unique, in my experience. I can and do play them better than any wedges I've tried. You haven't, and so your opinion about their playability is not valid, nor are the opinions of 1000 other people who haven't played them.

We are all clearly talking past each other. People who have never played them are saying they aren't unique or special because they believe the metal isn't unique. I don't know if the metal is unique or not, nor do I know whether the steel on a Mercedes is fundamentally different than the steel on a Chevy. I do know that there are...uh....a few things that make a Mercedes different than a Chevy. Is a Mercedes overpriced? That's an opinion. Is it different? Absolutely. Do some people prefer a Mercedes despite the price difference? Yes. Do some Chevy owners envy Mercedes owners and try to criticize them? Yes

It's the other features, not the steel metallurgy, that make a Mercedes worth the extra money.

Continue to revel in your willing ignorance.

[QUOTE=dorkman53]You, too, have a comprehension deficit. If you will actually READ my posts, you will understand (is this even possible?) that I don't care about the composition of the steel, where it was forged, or where it was ground or plated. I DO care about the sole grinds, and it doesn't take a metallurgist to determine the fact that they have unique sole grinds. THIS is what makes Scratch unique, in my experience. I can and do play them better than any wedges I've tried. You haven't, and so your opinion about their playability is not valid, nor are the opinions of 1000 other people who haven't played them.

We are all clearly talking past each other. People who have never played them are saying they aren't unique or special because they believe the metal isn't unique. I don't know if the metal is unique or not, nor do I know whether the steel on a Mercedes is fundamentally different than the steel on a Chevy. I do know that there are...uh....a few things that make a Mercedes different than a Chevy. Is a Mercedes overpriced? That's an opinion. Is it different? Absolutely. Do some people prefer a Mercedes despite the price difference? Yes. Do some Chevy owners envy Mercedes owners and try to criticize them? Yes

It's the other features, not the steel metallurgy, that make a Mercedes worth the extra money.

Continue to revel in your willing ignorance.[/QUOTE]
I am happy that you found a wedge with a sole grind that is to your liking, but its not unique. Its just an open model blank. That means you can find the same sole grind on other non-unique wedges for less money...and the metal will probably be higher quality.

[QUOTE=dorkman53]You, too, have a comprehension deficit. If you will actually READ my posts, you will understand (is this even possible?) that I don't care about the composition of the steel, where it was forged, or where it was ground or plated. I DO care about the sole grinds, and it doesn't take a metallurgist to determine the fact that they have unique sole grinds. THIS is what makes Scratch unique, in my experience. I can and do play them better than any wedges I've tried. [B][COLOR="Red"]You haven't, and so your opinion about their playability is not valid, nor are the opinions of 1000 other people who haven't played them[/COLOR][/B].

We are all clearly talking past each other. People who have never played them are saying they aren't unique or special because they believe the metal isn't unique. I don't know if the metal is unique or not, nor do I know whether the steel on a Mercedes is fundamentally different than the steel on a Chevy. I do know that there are...uh....a few things that make a Mercedes different than a Chevy. Is a Mercedes overpriced? That's an opinion. Is it different? Absolutely. Do some people prefer a Mercedes despite the price difference? Yes. Do some Chevy owners envy Mercedes owners and try to criticize them? Yes

It's the other features, not the steel metallurgy, that make a Mercedes worth the extra money.

Continue to revel in your willing ignorance.[/QUOTE]


In response to the bolded [COLOR="Red"]red[/COLOR] part - I haven't personally (in this thread or elsewhere) made any comments or judgments about the PERFORMANCE of the clubs. I have made comments about the steel. Continue to ignore that fact at your discretion, if you wish.

The truth is that the steel used in the Scratch wedges is actually of such low consistency that it is only primarily used in the manufacture of simple items like screws, rivets, nails, etc... and those OEM's you love to rag on are actually using much higher quality materials in their mass produced junk than your beloved boutique wedges. You're paying for diamond and getting a cubic zirconium.

Since the materials are so cheap - and since grinding the sole of a wedge isn't exactly labor intensive rocket science... do you think Scratch is making a FAIR profit margin charging $300 per wedge - or could it be that Scratch is simply trying to make a sh!tload of money off the anti-OEM dupes by offering low quality POS clubheads with fully customized sole grinds at a price point FAR ABOVE the actual market value of the product?

Again - I'm not commenting on the performance of the clubs at all. Just the overvalued price point at which they retail, and the fact that they have been less than honest about the true nature of the materials being used to manufacture those wedges. Are we clear now?



FON

[QUOTE=KoolCat]But isn't the wedge destroyed or at least mutilated in some way in order to perform the analysis? Who will pay to replace the $1900 wedge?[/QUOTE]

That's the beauty of Scratch. Grinding a piece off actually makes it more custom and so more valuable. Scratch gets to resell it for even more money.

Dorkie, you've got to give it up, this huge burden will be lifted. I mean, I guess I started all this by questioning the validity of paying $600 a wedge, but I assumed it was a great wedge. Now we find out it's a bad wedge and there's fake metal.

The weight of this will just continue to grow until we reach 5 or 600.

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature]In response to the bolded [COLOR="Red"]red[/COLOR]
FON[/QUOTE]

For future reference. Color coding your posts is a b!tchmove.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]For future reference. Color coding your posts is a b!tchmove.[/QUOTE]

Unless it's an award of some sort.

I saw a Scratch wedge the other day for $99.00 at Haggin Oaks. I didn't think it was special in any way. In fact, it looked kinda funny at address. Now, I'm sure this wasn't the $600 model.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I saw a Scratch wedge the other day for $99.00 at Haggin Oaks. I didn't think it was special in any way. In fact, it looked kinda funny at address. Now, I'm sure this wasn't the $600 model.[/QUOTE]

As stated previously, the custom sole grind is $501. The reason it looked funny to you is that you are not used to looking at a wedge that can play all the shots.

hey, where can I buy a shirt. Anyone know where they sell " I too, have a 600.00 wedge its not about quality but psy-uality that counts"

Found it, read the whole thing and bumped it. Seems like a classic to me.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Found it, read the whole thing and bumped it. Seems like a classic to me.[/QUOTE]
So all is revealed now. Lorenzo is certainly to blame for the $600 wedge fiasco that eventually caused one of GR's most prolific contributors to walk into the sunset. This all starts very early in the thread. Post #8 as a matter of fact.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]So all is revealed now. Lorenzo is certainly to blame for the $600 wedge fiasco that eventually caused one of GR's most prolific contributors to walk into the sunset. This all starts very early in the thread. Post #8 as a matter of fact.[/QUOTE]


I can now see why Dorkman sailed off into the sunset after this epic. His heroic defense of Scratch/$600/customised sole grind wedges must have left him completely spent.

I'm exhausted just from rereading his nonsensical rants. It seems he really truly believed those Scratch wedges enabled him to play all the shots that he couldn't play with a Cleveland or Vokey wedge. Amazing.

[quote=oldplayer]So all is revealed now. Lorenzo is certainly to blame for the $600 wedge fiasco that eventually caused one of GR's most prolific contributors to walk into the sunset. This all starts very early in the thread. Post #8 as a matter of fact.[/quote]

We all have a responsibility here. I'm not sure what it is, but I know we have it.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]So all is revealed now. Lorenzo is certainly to blame for the $600 wedge fiasco that eventually caused one of GR's most prolific contributors to walk into the sunset. [B]This all starts very early in the thread. Post #8 as a matter of fact[/B].[/QUOTE]

It's post #7 that intrigues me more.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc][B]But let's get real, you did overpay significantly for those wedges[/B]. Which means Scratch didn't treat you fairly.

Chris is clearly effed. But in his defense, he's obviously pretty stupid.[/QUOTE]

Zo is already ripping Dorkman about his expensive wedges so he had clearly already revealed that he'd paid for these expensive custom sole ground wedges in another thread. However this is definitely the thread where it went viral and the legendary $600 wedge was born.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player][B]I can now see why Dorkman sailed off into the sunset after this epic. [/B]His heroic defense of Scratch/$600/customised sole grind wedges must have left him completely spent.

I'm exhausted just from rereading his nonsensical rants. It seems he really truly believed those Scratch wedges enabled him to play all the shots that he couldn't play with a Cleveland or Vokey wedge. Amazing.[/QUOTE]
I can't. All I can see is that he slinked off the battlefield like the filthy coward that he is. This sort of flaming should have steeled his resolve, not broken him like a yellow backed whimp.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I can't. All I can see is that he slinked off the battlefield like the filthy coward that he is. This sort of flaming should have steeled his resolve, not broken him like a yellow backed whimp.[/QUOTE]
And there is an uncanny prophesy by you in post 79. Followed in post 80 by Lorenzo thinking Dorky only had ruffled feathers and would not leave over the issue.

[QUOTE=oldplayer][B]And there is an uncanny prophesy by you in post 79[/B]. Followed in post 80 by Lorenzo thinking Dorky only had ruffled feathers and would not leave over the issue.[/QUOTE]

NAH the Prophet. Has a certain ring about it.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]NAH the Prophet. Has a certain ring about it.[/QUOTE]

Yes and I think he would enjoy the title.
Some of his more severe flaming could be prefaced by "beware of the wrath of NAH the prophet".

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes and I think he would enjoy the title.
Some of his more severe flaming could be prefaced by "beware of the wrath of NAH the prophet".[/QUOTE]

That would be very fitting 3 or 4 years ago but he's just not the NAH of old. Severe flaming seems to be a thing of the past for him since he bagged the Fatshafts and Powerbilts. NAH the moderate seems a more fitting moniker these days. :(

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]That would be very fitting 3 or 4 years ago but he's just not the NAH of old. Severe flaming seems to be a thing of the past for him since he bagged the Fatshafts and Powerbilts. NAH the moderate seems a more fitting moniker these days. :([/QUOTE]
You wouldn't think that if you were Korean.
BTW check this article out.
[url]http://www.mygolfspy.com/wedge-fitting/[/url]

Really helpful and comprehensive. And very relevent to this thread in terms of discussing appropriate sole grinds.

[quote=Kiwi Player]That would be very fitting 3 or 4 years ago but he's just not the NAH of old. Severe flaming seems to be a thing of the past for him since he bagged the Fatshafts and Powerbilts. NAH the moderate seems a more fitting moniker these days. :([/quote]

Things have degenerated here into civility. I've tried to right the ship but I'm one man, born of human parents.

I used only logic and persistence. Spank threatened violence for years, I merely took on a few of his clubs yet his blood is on my hands? Dorkman will return as soon as his excessive pride and denial modulate. Ok, maybe he won't return.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Things have degenerated here into civility. I've tried to right the ship but I'm one man, born of human parents.

I used only logic and persistence. Spank threatened violence for years, I merely took on a few of his clubs yet his blood is on my hands? Dorkman will return as soon as his excessive pride and denial modulate. Ok, maybe he won't return.[/QUOTE]
I think he'd like ot return, but he knows he's got a room full of arse whoopins coming his way as soon as he shows his face. I know he's reading this and is itching to come back and try (and fail) to restore some pride, but maybe he's just samrt enough to know when he's outclassed.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes and I think he would enjoy the title.
Some of his more severe flaming could be prefaced by "beware of the wrath of NAH the prophet".[/QUOTE]
Not a prophet, just a good judge of character. Or in Dorkys case, lack of character.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]That would be very fitting 3 or 4 years ago but he's just not the NAH of old. Severe flaming seems to be a thing of the past for him since he bagged the Fatshafts and Powerbilts. NAH the moderate seems a more fitting moniker these days. :([/QUOTE]
I think I still have a go, it's just that the old lng iron vs gaybrid just doesn't generate the same sort of heat these days.

I'm glad we got to the important stuff ("from the good side"). Last night I caught Caddyshack again just as Ty was rubbing Lacy down and she said, "don't you dare!" What was she referring to? I think I know but I'm not sure scriptwriters were that daring in 1980.

[QUOTE=24putts]I'm glad we got to the important stuff ("from the good side"). Last night I caught Caddyshack again just as Ty was rubbing Lacy down and she said, "don't you dare!" What was she referring to? I think I know but I'm not sure scriptwriters were that daring in 1980.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember that line. The only line involving Lacy that I thought was noteworthy was D'ahNunzio's "Madonna with meatballs". Probably both actors' career high points.

I felt this thread needed a bump in memory of Dorkman. Not to mention I should have bid on a Scratch iron set with 4 wedges the other day as it did not reach the 600 mark. I wasn't sure the Sole grind was right for me.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;193372]But let's get real, you did overpay significantly for those wedges. Which means Scratch didn't treat you fairly.

Chris is clearly effed. But in his defense, he's obviously pretty stupid.[/QUOTE]

I was on the verge of laying out the cash, not that I could defend doing that as an intelligent act, if Scratch would give me exactly what I wanted.

They refused to machine the grooves that I wanted unless I ordered the clubs in unplated raw finish. If they wish to prosper at their price point, they ought to be a little more accomodating that that. They should at least be able to do everything that The Iron Factory in Colorado can do.

So I've written Scratch off, and if a senior citizen bachelor willing to overspend isn't their target market, I can't imagine what is.

I don't care where the head of Miura irons come from. I don't care if they are made from the worst metal on Earth. Have you ever hit them? They are some of the best feeling irons I've ever hit. Make them from year old french bread. If they feel that good I'd love to have a set!

If I ever had the Scratch to buy a Miura, it would be a 1968 "S" model with orange body and black leather interior.