Why am I still doing this?

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Here's a list of the concerts I've seen ranked from best to worst:

U2 - 2002 (no, I'm not a big fan but it was amazing)
Kiss - 1996
Billy Idol - 1987
The Police - 1982
Cheap Trick - 1980
Keith Urban - 2009 (wife made me go but he's a great guitarist)
Matchbox 20 - 1998, 2004 (my wife made me go)
INXS - 1988
Def Leapard - 1988 (Europe opened for them...that was worth it for the laughs)
Huey Lewis and the News - 1985 (Just Horrible)
ZZ Top - 1997 (I was bored from the first minute to the last)
Bryan Adams - 1987 (He stood in one spot the whole time).
The Tubes - 1987
Santana - 1982 (20 minute bongo solo almost made me pull out my hair)
[FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/QUOTE]

Girlfriend made me go see Rob Thomas with her a few months ago in Orlando. He put on a good show minus the 85 degree night and 100% humidity. He did dance around a bit much like a queen for my liking. He did a slow acoustic version of Smooth with a spanish guitar that is probably responsible for several newborn children in Q2 2011.

Europe? So they sang Final Countdown and then that was it.

[quote=Mward2002]Girlfriend made me go see Rob Thomas with her a few months ago in Orlando. He put on a good show minus the 85 degree night and 100% humidity. He did dance around a bit much like a queen for my liking. He did a slow acoustic version of Smooth with a spanish guitar that is probably responsible for several newborn children in Q2 2011.

Europe? So they sang Final Countdown and then that was it.[/quote]

I've been required to see Rob Thomas twice and it's looking like a 3rd time very soon. He's good so it's no big deal.

Europe started with the Final Countdown and then did it again for the encore. I think they also sang "Carrie" and one other semi-popular song. I recall a few fights in the crowd that day. Oh, you know what, I forgot to mention Motely Crue in 1990. Talk about fights in the crowd and women dressed in ho' outfits! Very cool.

Oh, and I also saw Van Halen in 1993 in Orange County. I thought it sucked. Can't stand Haggar.

To see Van Halen would be cool if he was just tearing it up on the guitar. Sammy Hagar does give off a douche like vibe.

My concerts.
Black Oak Arkansas-1976
Foghat-1976

Shite wrong button
Montrose 1976
Doobie Bros-1977
Firefall-1977
Doobie Bros
Ted Nugent 1982
Pat Travers-1982
Cheap Trick-1982
Jethro Tull-1991
Steve Earle-2006
Foghat-1978
ZZ TOP-1982

Damn. Forgot about Cheech and Chong back in 1976. Small setting by chicago with about 2500 people at a local small college. Funniest shite I ever saw, especially under the influence of the evil liberal Lucky.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]To see Van Halen would be cool if he was just tearing it up on the guitar. Sammy Hagar does give off a douche like vibe.[/QUOTE]
I saw Van Halen warm up for Black Sabbath in Seattle, September 1978. Absolutely blew my mind. Saw them every single tour with Diamond Dave, saw the first tour with Sammy, couldn't bring myself to see them again after that.

Also, jt1135 listed Cheap Trick. If you ever have the chance to see them, do it. They are one of the great live bands I've ever watched. Solid from beginning to end. He also lists Pat Travers Band which is another great concert.

[quote=Yaz1975]I saw Van Halen warm up for Black Sabbath in Seattle, September 1978. Absolutely blew my mind. Saw them every single tour with Diamond Dave, saw the first tour with Sammy, couldn't bring myself to see them again after that.

Also, jt1135 listed Cheap Trick. If you ever have the chance to see them, do it. They are one of the great live bands I've ever watched. Solid from beginning to end. He also lists Pat Travers Band which is another great concert.[/quote]

David Lee Roth got back together with Van Halen and made a few songs with them a few years back. Those were better than any songs that Haggar had put together.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]I saw Van Halen warm up for Black Sabbath in Seattle, September 1978. Absolutely blew my mind. Saw them every single tour with Diamond Dave, saw the first tour with Sammy, couldn't bring myself to see them again after that.

Also, jt1135 listed Cheap Trick. If you ever have the chance to see them, do it. They are one of the great live bands I've ever watched. Solid from beginning to end. He also lists Pat Travers Band which is another great concert.[/QUOTE]
One of my lasting regrets was missing out on seeing Cheap Trick. About 20 years ago they were touring in my home town, playing at 1,000 person venues. They came twice in the space of about 3 years. I really wanted to see them but didn't get around to it. Reading your post just adds to my sense of loss. The best live band I've seen is definitely The Hoodoo Gurus. I've always seen them in small venues and they rock. I was dumb enough to accept a free ticket to see Bon Jovi's slippery when wet tour in Sydney and I've gotta say it was the lamest live show I've ever witnessed. I've seen duets with drum machines in bowling clubs that rock harder than those bums. I was lucky enough to see the Blues Brothers band when they were in Sydney about 18 years ago and they were top shelf musicians.

[quote=Not a hacker]One of my lasting regrets was missing out on seeing Cheap Trick. About 20 years ago they were touring in my home town, playing at 1,000 person venues. They came twice in the space of about 3 years. I really wanted to see them but didn't get around to it. Reading your post just adds to my sense of loss. The best live band I've seen is definitely The Hoodoo Gurus. I've always seen them in small venues and they rock. I was dumb enough to accept a free ticket to see Bon Jovi's slippery when wet tour in Sydney and I've gotta say it was the lamest live show I've ever witnessed. I've seen duets with drum machines in bowling clubs that rock harder than those bums. I was lucky enough to see the Blues Brothers band when they were in Sydney about 18 years ago and they were top shelf musicians.[/quote]

There are a lot of musicians out there that agree that "I want you to want me" and "Surrender" are two of the best live album songs ever made. "Ain't that a shame" was good as well.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]There are a lot of musicians out there that agree that "I want you to want me" and "Surrender" are two of the best live album songs ever made. "Ain't that a shame" was good as well.[/QUOTE]
'the magical mystery tour' was a great cover too.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]'the magical mystery tour' was a great cover too.[/QUOTE]

I have a copy, and I don't remember where I got it, but Cheap Trick plays the entire Sgt. Pepper album. They are currently performing it in Vegas and my wife and I got to see it in July. Seriously amazing.

Also, Famousdavis is a marketing guy's wet dream. You want to know Top 40 hits and nothing else? He's your man!

[quote=Yaz1975]I have a copy, and I don't remember where I got it, but Cheap Trick plays the entire Sgt. Pepper album. They are currently performing it in Vegas and my wife and I got to see it in July. Seriously amazing.

Also, Famousdavis is a marketing guy's wet dream. You want to know Top 40 hits and nothing else? He's your man![/quote]

I bet I know the words to more unknown songs than you do. The fact that you think AC/DC is a great band shows us a lot about your taste.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]One of my lasting regrets was missing out on seeing Cheap Trick. About 20 years ago they were touring in my home town, playing at 1,000 person venues. [B]They came twice in the space of about 3 years.[/B] I really wanted to see them but didn't get around to it. Reading your post just adds to my sense of loss. The best live band I've seen is definitely The Hoodoo Gurus. I've always seen them in small venues and they rock. I was dumb enough to accept a free ticket to see Bon Jovi's slippery when wet tour in Sydney and I've gotta say it was the lamest live show I've ever witnessed. I've seen duets with drum machines in bowling clubs that rock harder than those bums. I was lucky enough to see the Blues Brothers band when they were in Sydney about 18 years ago and they were top shelf musicians.[/QUOTE]

Didn't realize they were British.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Didn't realize they were British.[/QUOTE]
Well spotted my leige. No wonder you're the King.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]I have a copy, and I don't remember where I got it, but Cheap Trick plays the entire Sgt. Pepper album. They are currently performing it in Vegas and my wife and I got to see it in July. Seriously amazing.

Also, Famousdavis is a marketing guy's wet dream. You want to know Top 40 hits and nothing else? He's your man![/QUOTE]
That's one show I'd love to see.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]NAH, I picked up some irons yesterday from Play it Again sports and I think you may know something about them, if memory serves. I got a near mint set of Taylor Made X300 Forged irons, 2-9 (no PW) for $75. They look like they only have a few rounds on them. Is this the one that Miura designed? I hit them on the range yesterday and they felt great. I think OP may know something about these as well? Here's a quote back when they were introduced:

[B][I]Taylor Made iron to make U.S. debut
Golf World
July 28, 2000

Taylor Made-adidas Golf is introducing a new forged iron, the X300 FCI, on a limited basis in the United States, a Taylor Made executive said.

"With the recent recommitment of Taylor Made toward the really good golfer, we decided to bring it here," said Sean Toulon, Taylor Made's vice president of sales North America.

The Carlsbad, Calif., equipment maker originally developed the club for a Japanese player, Hidemichi Tanaka, who has won twice on the Japanese PGA Tour this year, and then introduced the club to the Japanese market. Taylor Made has since brought 1,500 sets to the United States.

"The plan is to bring [the iron] to the U.S. market, get it out in front of people and just get some feedback," Toulon said.

The company already has shipped the iron to a group of "influential club professionals," Toulon said, and formed an advisory board to test the clubs and make recommendations.

Some of Taylor Made's more prominent staff players are using the irons, including Ernie Els, who finished tied for second last weekend at the British Open, Mark O'Meara and Larry Nelson.

The X stands for experimental prototype; the 300 refers to Taylor Made's 300 series of clubs for the better player. The FCI stands for Flight Control Iron.

In addition to the new irons, Taylor Made is in the midst of fine-tuning a prototype driver in different clubhead sizes intended to be introduced later this year. The driver already is being used on the professional tours--37 players played the club at the Greater Milwaukee Open the same week Els used it to win the European PGA Tour's Standard Life Loch Lomond tournament.

--John Strege

[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
Don't actually know these exact clubs (don't think they were released over here), but they look very similar to the 300 forged series we got out here, which were just about the best forged players cavity on the market, and would stack up to any forged players cavity ever built. If these are a Miura forged version they could be even better tha the 300 forged. If I were you I'd get that set properly fitted, they will definitely become your gamers.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I bet I know the words to more unknown songs than you do. The fact that you think AC/DC is a great band shows us a lot about your taste.[/QUOTE]
AC/DC is great at what they do. Simplicity is way harder than most people who don't play music can't understand.

And I'll take that bet.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]AC/DC is great at what they do. Simplicity is way harder than most people who don't play music can't understand.

And I'll take that bet.[/QUOTE]
This is especially true from 1975-80 when Bon Scot was singer. They were the best rock band in the world during that period (yes FD better than Kiss), becasue they kept it simple, but it it better than anyone. Although most of their songs had a similarity, the formula of grinding opening riffs, tight bass and drums, punctuating leads, and screeching vocals sounded great no matter how often you heard it. They had a style of music you could feel as well as hear. Whenever I hear an old AC/DC song come on the radio I have an uncontrollable urge to crank it right up, they are a band that has to be listened to loud to be appreciated.

Concerts (that I remember, anyway):
Beattles--1964-Philadelphia
Rolling Stones--1964, Philadelphia
Junior Wells--1966, Philadelphia
1967--King Crimson, Philadelphia
1968--(all in San Diego)-Grateful Dead, Eric Burdon and War, Rod Stewart with Jeff Beck, 1969--(all in San Diego)-Ten Years After with Alvin Lee, Sons of Champlin, Jefferson Airplane, Loggins & Messina
1973--Elvin Bishop, San Diego, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Philadelphia, Leo Kottke, Philadelphia
1974--Grateful Dead, Philadelphia
1975--Frank Zappa, Baltimore
1976--Bonnie Raitt, Virginia
1977--Eddie Rabbit and Dolly Parton, Maryland
2002--Derek Trucks Band and Alien Love Child with Eric Johnson.

[quote=mongrel]Concerts (that I remember, anyway):
Beattles--1964-Philadelphia
Rolling Stones--1964, Philadelphia
Junior Wells--1966, Philadelphia
1967--King Crimson, Philadelphia
1968--(all in San Diego)-Grateful Dead, Eric Burdon and War, Rod Stewart with Jeff Beck, 1969--(all in San Diego)-Ten Years After with Alvin Lee, Sons of Champlin, Jefferson Airplane, Loggins & Messina
1973--Elvin Bishop, San Diego, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Philadelphia, Leo Kottke, Philadelphia
1974--Grateful Dead, Philadelphia
1975--Frank Zappa, Baltimore
1976--Bonnie Raitt, Virginia
1977--Eddie Rabbit and Dolly Parton, Maryland
2002--Derek Trucks Band and Alien Love Child with Eric Johnson.[/quote]

Wow, I am not worthy. You saw the Beatles and Stones in their prime?

[quote=Yaz1975]AC/DC is great at what they do. Simplicity is way harder than most people who don't play music can't understand.

And I'll take that bet.[/quote]

Hey, if a good AC/DC song comes on the radio I turn it all the way up too. I think I had Dirty Deed done Dirt Cheap on LP as well as Back in Black. Highway to Hell too. I was a pretty big fan back in 1980-1982.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Wow, I am not worthy. You saw the Beatles and Stones in their prime?[/QUOTE]
I saw the Stones in the early 70's in Australia. It was an outdoor concert in an old tennis stadium and we were quite close to the stage. It was a great time. I also saw Led Zepplin at the same stadium less than a year later. I think it was not long after the release of Led Zepplin 4. I remember that as an awesome, and very loud concert. When they did Stairway to Heaven it bought the house down.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]I saw the Stones in the early 70's in Australia. It was an outdoor concert in an old tennis stadium and we were quite close to the stage. It was a great time. I also saw Led Zepplin at the same stadium less than a year later. I think it was not long after the release of Led Zepplin 4. I remember that as an awesome, and very loud concert. When they did Stairway to Heaven it bought the house down.[/QUOTE]
I was too young to see Zep when they toured here. They played in Sydney at Randwick racecourse. Free also played the racecourse around the same time. I was unlucky enough to have to wait til the mid 80s before I was old enough to start seeing bands, most of the great bands had either disbanded or died, or a bit of both.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Wow, I am not worthy. You saw the Beatles and Stones in their prime?[/QUOTE]
I had no choice. I had a 15 year old Russian girlfriend who insisted on attending. She only wanted to go to the Stones concert because the opening act was Herman's Hermits (retch). Stones were pretty raw but I think their prime was in the "Midnight Rambler"/"Gimme Shelter" era although "Paint It Black" was played an awful lot in Vietnam. Really sorry I never caught the Yardbirds or Fleetwood Mac (before the girls).

[QUOTE=mongrel]I had no choice. I had a 15 year old Russian girlfriend who insisted on attending. She only wanted to go to the Stones concert because the opening act was Herman's Hermits (retch). Stones were pretty raw but I think their prime was in the "Midnight Rambler"/"Gimme Shelter" era although "Paint It Black" was played an awful lot in Vietnam. Really sorry I never caught the Yardbirds or Fleetwood Mac (before the girls).[/QUOTE]
I agree on the Stones. The prime era for me was Beggar's Banquet (1968) to Some Girls (1978). It's only rock and roll, Tumbling Dice, Can't you hear me knocking, etc. Just great song after great song. They had the maturity but still young enough to have the energy and the drive.

[quote=Yaz1975]I agree on the Stones. The prime era for me was Beggar's Banquet (1968) to Some Girls (1978). It's only rock and roll, Tumbling Dice, Can't you hear me knocking, etc. Just great song after great song. They had the maturity but still young enough to have the energy and the drive.[/quote]

I think Some Girl is their best album. Beast of Burden, Shattered, etc.

I agree they were in their prime with Gimme Shelter.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]I agree on the Stones. The prime era for me was Beggar's Banquet (1968) to Some Girls (1978). It's only rock and roll, Tumbling Dice, Can't you hear me knocking, etc. Just great song after great song. They had the maturity but still young enough to have the energy and the drive.[/QUOTE]

Went to a Stones concert in the 80-s and it seemed as though Keith Richards was too effed up to play. When band members would approach him periodically he'd get a little combative and would struggle to not fall down. While he left a little to be desired musically the overall experience was really entertaining. Between songs you could hear conversations in the audience about what combination of drugs he might have been on.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Went to a Stones concert in the 80-s and it seemed as though Keith Richards was too effed up to play. When band members would approach him periodically he'd get a little combative and would struggle to not fall down. While he left a little to be desired musically the overall experience was really entertaining. Between songs you could hear conversations in the audience about what combination of drugs he might have been on.[/QUOTE]
These days I think Lipitor, Avodart, and Cialis are a safe bet.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]These days I think Lipitor, Avodart, and Cialis are a safe bet.[/QUOTE]

Back then his flatulence was more musical than his guitar playing. I can only imagine the difference now.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Went to a Stones concert in the 80-s and it seemed as though Keith Richards was too effed up to play. When band members would approach him periodically he'd get a little combative and would struggle to not fall down. While he left a little to be desired musically the overall experience was really entertaining. Between songs you could hear conversations in the audience about what combination of drugs he might have been on.[/QUOTE]
My favorite exchange was when Keith called Elton John "The Queen of England". Elton retorted back that Keith was an "Arthritic Monkey".

Keef has been riding on reputation for a very long time. As a rhythm guitar player, he was one of the best. He could turn the beat over and really play some creative stuff. It's been about 30 years since he did anything interesting though.

[quote=Yaz1975]My favorite exchange was when Keith called Elton John "The Queen of England". Elton retorted back that Keith was an "Arthritic Monkey".

Keef has been riding on reputation for a very long time. As a rhythm guitar player, he was one of the best. He could turn the beat over and really play some creative stuff. It's been about 30 years since he did anything interesting though.[/quote]

CC Deville was probably the best at mixing things up.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]My favorite exchange was when Keith called Elton John "The Queen of England". Elton retorted back that Keith was an "Arthritic Monkey".

Keef has been riding on reputation for a very long time. As a rhythm guitar player, he was one of the best. He could turn the beat over and really play some creative stuff. It's been about 30 years since he did anything interesting though.[/QUOTE]
My favourite line from Keith was about the heavy metal guitarists ('they're not sure what notes to play so they just play all of them'). Keith is an underrated guitarist just because he doesn't play ridiculously fast solos while looking like a cliche.

On the topic of great live performances I've seen I somehow forgot to mention whe I saw The Stooges in Sydney in about 2005. It was at a festival so they only did one set (but it went for nearly an hour), but that was possibly the greatest live show I've witnessed.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]My favourite line from Keith was about the heavy metal guitarists ('they're not sure what notes to play so they just play all of them'). Keith is an underrated guitarist just because he doesn't play ridiculously fast solos while looking like a cliche.

On the topic of great live performances I've seen I somehow forgot to mention whe I saw The Stooges in Sydney in about 2005. It was at a festival so they only did one set (but it went for nearly an hour), but that was possibly the greatest live show I've witnessed.[/QUOTE]
I saw the Rolling Stones play at RFK Stadium in the mid 90's with the Counting Crows.. There were probably a 100K people there, and in the middle of the stadium was a pocket of bullet proof glass containing none other than Bill & Chelsea.

[quote=The Purist]I saw the Rolling Stones play at RFK Stadium in the mid 90's with the Counting Crows.. There were probably a 100K people there, and in the middle of the stadium was a pocket of bullet proof glass containing none other than Bill & Chelsea.[/quote]

Are you sure you didn't mean the Black Crows? The black crows were great. Whatever happened to them? Was the lead singer an addict?

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Are you sure you didn't mean the Black Crows? The black crows were great. Whatever happened to them? Was the lead singer an addict?[/QUOTE]
Definitely the Counting Crows (you know like: Mr. Jones, Round Here).

I also saw the Black Crows too in the mid 90's with Blues Traveler (and Ziggy Marley, or maybe that was another concert)...some outdoor theater in Raleigh. Pretty good from what I remember, but its fuzzy.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Are you sure you didn't mean the Black Crows? The black crows were great. Whatever happened to them? Was the lead singer an addict?[/QUOTE]
Chris Robinson is his name, and they're still making some great music.

Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is such a fantastic album. Not a bad track on it.
Amorica and By Your Side also rule. Great hard-edged Southern Rock with a heavy dose of R&B.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidckc7D57o[/url]

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Chris Robinson is his name, and they're still making some great music.

Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is such a fantastic album. Not a bad track on it.
Amorica and By Your Side also rule. Great hard-edged Southern Rock with a heavy dose of R&B.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidckc7D57o[/url][/QUOTE]



[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBsaj8BHDg[/url]

The hair is different and the guitar is sweeter.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBsaj8BHDg[/url]

The hair is different and the guitar is sweeter.[/QUOTE]
You gotta love an Italian immigrant who lives in SoCal that is versed in southern rock. No wonder you're the king. You must be from southern Italy. You know, when the subject of flute rock comes up, which is pretty much daily, Jethro Tull seems to get all the credit. I would argue that The Marshall Tucker band's more subtle flute attack is superior.
I saw the Black Crowes in a small club when they first broke in 1990. It was an awesome show, one of the better ones I've seen. Since the Southern Harmony whatever (2nd album) they really have not done much for me.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]You gotta love an Italian immigrant who lives in SoCal that is versed in southern rock. No wonder you're the king. You must be from southern Italy. You know, when the subject of flute rock comes up, which is pretty much daily, Jethro Tull seems to get all the credit. I would argue that The Marshall Tucker band's more subtle flute attack is superior.
I saw the Black Crowes in a small club when they first broke in 1990. It was an awesome show, one of the better ones I've seen. Since the Southern Harmony whatever (2nd album) they really have not done much for me.[/QUOTE]

Laid back, subtle and almost devoid of ego is when southern rock is at it's best. With MT, I always feel as though I'm just listening in on one of their jam sessions.

With Jethro Tull, it's like they're trying to shove my face in it.

Larry needed evidence we're real golfers, so here it is.

Larry, who do you like? What was playing when you first got laid? What sound system are you packing these days? If yoiu want us to consider you a real golfer -- start spilling.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Larry needed evidence we're real golfers, so here it is.

Larry, who do you like? What was playing when you first got laid? What sound system are you packing these days? If yoiu want us to consider you a real golfer -- start spilling.[/QUOTE]
For Larry's sake, let's keep things simple to start with. Larry, which Jimmy is superior, Hendrix or Page? Please explain your answer.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]For Larry's sake, let's keep things simple to start with. Larry, which Jimmy is superior, Hendrix or Page? Please explain your answer.[/QUOTE]
Should I tell him which one can play better right now?

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Should I tell him which one can play better right now?[/QUOTE]
That's debatable.

Trivia question for you. Which of those two actually got their start in music playing the accordian?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Trivia question for you. Which of those two actually got their start in music playing the accordian?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing Page, based solely on the fact that he is a white guy.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]I'm guessing Page, based solely on the fact that he is a white guy.[/QUOTE]

They both did. It was kind of a trick question. Hendrix got his start playing Bar Mitzvahs. Paige's greatest riffs were stolen straight out of polkas. It was accordian counter culture that got Hendrix hooked on drugs.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]They both did. It was kind of a trick question. Hendrix got his start playing Bar Mitzvahs. Paige's greatest riffs were stolen straight out of polkas.[/QUOTE]
Ahh! But you missed the first trick question. Hendrix was a Jimi, so he couldn't possibly be the superior Jimmy!

Lets not forget STP Stone temple pilots. I,m listening to interstate Love song right now. If you get a chance, see the Blackcrowes, there down to earth, and amazing live. Worse band I saw, was Blind melon, at the best concert I ever saw, The Rolling Stones, during the Voodoo lounge tour. A 30 foot Elvis was on stage, playing guitar, in Memphis, what a tribute to the King.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Worst fat shot was Seve's 7 iron into the water at the 1986 Masters. Actually, I'm not sure if it was a 7 iron but it was just horrible. Mucho Mal.[/QUOTE]

It was a 5 iron and as a 5 year old it made me cry myself to sleep!

[quote=Pottsy]It was a 5 iron and as a 5 year old it made me cry myself to sleep![/quote]

Seve said that one shot destroyed his confidence for the rest of his playing days. I can see that. You're a pro with a relatively easy shot and you chunk it into a lake. That would fill you with doubt over your ability to win another major and not worry about doing the same thing again.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Seve said that one shot destroyed his confidence for the rest of his playing days. I can see that. You're a pro with a relatively easy shot and you chunk it into a lake. That would fill you with doubt over your ability to win another major and not worry about doing the same thing again.[/QUOTE]
I think Norman's chunked 8 iron into the drink on 12 at Augusta in 96 rates highly on the all time bad fat shots list. Or Monty's pathetic approach from the middle of the fairway on the 72nd hole of the US Open, and he followed up with a chunked chip for a double bogie which cost him a major.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Human reaction to the arts fascinates me. On the one hand we gravitate to them because we enjoy them, but if they're shallow, they aren't worthy. Maybe FD's the most fortunate among us because he can listen to something simple and not lose enjoyment of it even when he's bombarded with it. Some things resonate with some of us, others don't. Other things resonate today but didn't yesterday, and vice-versa.

When you look at a painting, do you look for color, shape or the whole presentation? Does it matter if the artist figured out he could defract light and trace the painting versus allowing his nature to move his hand? Does it matter if other people like it? It can be a lonely experience enjoying something by yourself. When you look at it, at what point is it time to move on? Mongrel might bulldoze the Sistine Chapel if he got locked in there overnight.

Then there's technique versus presentation. It seems most of these talented guitarists toiled in obscurity, locked in some sort of savant world of their own, able to achieve mindblowing technique but unable to team well in a band or even master composition. As great as Knopfler was as a guitarist, his end product was usually awkward, wasn't it?

In cooking, some master amazing components but fall to average when they try to combine them in a dish. In sex, well, you get the idea.

The good news is the Anthem processing uses a series of test tones. The bad news is if you close your eyes, it sounds a little like Geddy Lee.[/QUOTE]

If I were ever fortunate enough to get locked in the Sistine Chapel by myself, I would hope that I had my digital camera with extra batteries and memory sticks, a gallon Thermos of black Turkish coffee, and a set of good lock picks. I'd for sure try to sneak into the archives and see if the Latin I last spoke and read when I was 18 still worked. We were in Rome a year ago last month and I didn't have the patience to stand in line. Last time I was in Rome was 1965. Boy has it changed. A good bit creepier now. Too many moslems. I would also like to have my favorite electric guitar and one of my small but powerful combo amps, the one with the 15" speaker, and plug in, play and record with those 200' ceilings. The natural reverb, echo and delay would be orgasmic.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I also forgot one of my other favourite American bands, the incomparable Devo. If GR was a night club I think Devo would make a great house band.[/QUOTE]

Since I am a sort-of musician, I frequently hum musical phrases (notes only, typically from jazz or blues classics) when I am working on my swing at the range. "Whip it good" works great when I am trying to hit driver a la Nick Price.

[QUOTE=mongrel]If I were ever fortunate enough to get locked in the Sistine Chapel by myself, I would hope that I had my digital camera with extra batteries and memory sticks, a gallon Thermos of black Turkish coffee, and a set of good lock picks. I'd for sure try to sneak into the archives and see if the Latin I last spoke and read when I was 18 still worked. We were in Rome a year ago last month and I didn't have the patience to stand in line. Last time I was in Rome was 1965. Boy has it changed. A good bit creepier now. Too many moslems. I would also like to have my favorite electric guitar and one of my small but powerful combo amps, the one with the 15" speaker, and plug in, play and record with those 200' ceilings. The natural reverb, echo and delay would be orgasmic.[/QUOTE]

My visit to the Sistine Chapel in June, far from the religious awakening experience some might expect it to be just confirmed all my worst beliefs about Christianity and organised religion in general.

The next day I read a headline about more child molestation/pedophilia cover ups by the Vatican and the circle was complete. :rolleyes:

[quote=Not a hacker]I think Norman's chunked 8 iron into the drink on 12 at Augusta in 96 rates highly on the all time bad fat shots list. Or Monty's pathetic approach from the middle of the fairway on the 72nd hole of the US Open, and he followed up with a chunked chip for a double bogie which cost him a major.[/quote]

NAH, lot's of pros hit into the drink on number 12. It's one of the hardest par 3s in golf. Although few people have paid much attention to it, Monty's double bogey is the worst choke that I have ever seen. He had something like 158 yards to the hole and switched from a 8 iron to a 7 iron and missed the green. Even then, he had no reason to make double bogey from just off the green. I think it's worse than what Jean Art Vandelay did in the British Open.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]NAH, lot's of pros hit into the drink on number 12. It's one of the hardest par 3s in golf. Although few people have paid much attention to it, Monty's double bogey is the worst choke that I have ever seen. He had something like 158 yards to the hole and switched from a 8 iron to a 7 iron and missed the green. Even then, he had no reason to make double bogey from just off the green. I think it's worse than what Jean Art Vandelay did in the British Open.[/QUOTE]
Monty actually changed dwon from a 6 to a 7, saying he thought the adrenalin would get him a few extra yards or some crap. Not smart considering the hole was cut at the front behind mound, so the only place not to leave it was short. I know lot's of pros leave it in the water on 12, but usually from a mental error underclubbing, Norman flat out chunked his 8 iron that day. I was watching it and I can assure you he laid a huge sod on that swing.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]My visit to the Sistine Chapel in June, far from the religious awakening experience some might expect it to be just confirmed all my worst beliefs about Christianity and organised religion in general.

The next day I read a headline about more child molestation/pedophilia cover ups by the Vatican and the circle was complete. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

There's absolutely untold value in the items stored at the Vatican that you can't see, never mind what's on display. Think of the good that could be done through the sale of a small percentage. It's alot easier to argue the Catholic Church is the cornerstone of villainy than virtue.

All of this has nothing to do with the fact that the Stone Temple Pilots suck donkey.

[quote=Not a hacker]Monty actually changed dwon from a 6 to a 7, saying he thought the adrenalin would get him a few extra yards or some crap. Not smart considering the hole was cut at the front behind mound, so the only place not to leave it was short. I know lot's of pros leave it in the water on 12, but usually from a mental error underclubbing, Norman flat out chunked his 8 iron that day. I was watching it and I can assure you he laid a huge sod on that swing.[/quote]

I think his overall round that day was the worst choke I've seen. He had a 6 shot lead. The VERY WORST shot he hit that day I believe was to number 9. It's a green where you cannot hit a high shot with tons of spin. So, what does he do. He clubs down and hits a high pitching wedge that spun completely off the green. It's like he knew he wasn't going to win it after that. The water ball on number 16 was very unlike a tour professional. He hit that shot 20 feet left of the green into the water on the fly.

It's wierd to think that Harrington has more majors than Norman. Norman was clearly the best player several years in a row. He had a few stolen from him but the shot into 18 at the Masters in 1986 was horrible. He had a good chance to win at least 10 majors .

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I think his overall round that day was the worst choke I've seen. He had a 6 shot lead. The VERY WORST shot he hit that day I believe was to number 9. It's a green where you cannot hit a high shot with tons of spin. So, what does he do. He clubs down and hits a high pitching wedge that spun completely off the green. It's like he knew he wasn't going to win it after that. The water ball on number 16 was very unlike a tour professional. He hit that shot 20 feet left of the green into the water on the fly.

It's wierd to think that Harrington has more majors than Norman. Norman was clearly the best player several years in a row. He had a few stolen from him but the shot into 18 at the Masters in 1986 was horrible. He had a good chance to win at least 10 majors .[/QUOTE]
Greg was without doubt the most talented golfer of his generation, and perhaps second only to Tiger. But he had a mental flaw in his game when it came to the majors. With mental toughness 10 majors would be a conservfative estimate for him

[quote=Not a hacker]Greg was without doubt the most talented golfer of his generation, and perhaps second only to Tiger. But he had a mental flaw in his game when it came to the majors. With mental toughness 10 majors would be a conservfative estimate for him[/quote]

He's handled it pretty well and has done quite well in business. He's in amazing shape for his age and a very likeable guy. Things could be worse. He was by far my favorite player in the 80's and early 90's. Golf back then without Norman would have been dreadful. Tom Watson had faded and so had Nicklaus. Tom Kite was the leading money winner. Pavin, Love, Kite, O'meara never got me too excited to watch golf.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]He's handled it pretty well and has done quite well in business. He's in amazing shape for his age and a very likeable guy. Things could be worse. He was by far my favorite player in the 80's and early 90's. Golf back then without Norman would have been dreadful. Tom Watson had faded and so had Nicklaus. Tom Kite was the leading money winner. Pavin, Love, Kite, O'meara never got me too excited to watch golf.[/QUOTE]
During the 80s there was also Seve lighting it up. Those two were as far ahead of the chasing pack talent wise as Tiger was in the early 2000s. Sure Faldo won a few majors but he wasn't a golfer of the calibre of Seve or the Shark. Nick the Prick's game was consistent and could stand up enough under pressure to win when the other guys choked (and that was pretty often. Think Cook, Hoch, Floyd, Norman. He was a plodder who could outlast a faltering field), but Norman and Seve could play a brand of golf that others could only dream about. Price and Lyle were great ballstrikers but didn't have the array of shots and the short games of Seve and Norman. Out of the two Seve was the better recovery and short game player, but Norman was the better ball striker. When you think of that era the US only real had Freddy who would be good to watch, the great players of that era were all non Americans.

My Oppo arrived just before Christmas. I stayed up much of Christmas Eve playing with it (not a masturbation comment). To those willing to step up to the GFF equivalent of Blu-Ray/DVD players, this is it. Its speed dwarfs most reference players, particularly in its price range.

The upscaling and decompression features work flawlessly. My DVD's look good enough now to not worry about whether it's Blu-ray or not, which is particularly valuable with streaming. Haven't tried out 3D yet, but Netflix streaming is a blast.

Because Oppo sells direct, it cuts out the sales holes from the purchase process and gives you their commission in the form of savings. Isn't that great?

The italian sounding name is also a plus.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]My Oppo arrived just before Christmas. I stayed up much of Christmas Eve playing with it (not a masturbation comment). To those willing to step up to the GFF equivalent of Blu-Ray/DVD players, this is it. Its speed dwarfs most reference players, particularly in its price range.

The upscaling and decompression features work flawlessly. My DVD's look good enough now to not worry about whether it's Blu-ray or not, which is particularly valuable with streaming. Haven't tried out 3D yet, but Netflix streaming is a blast.

Because Oppo sells direct, it cuts out the sales holes from the purchase process and gives you their commission in the form of savings. Isn't that great?

The italian sounding name is also a plus.[/quote]

I recently purchased a DVD and VCR combo from Costco. I've never seen anything so advanced in my life. Imagine, if you will, a player that has the ability to accept not only VHS tapes but also DVD's. Not only that, this thing can play CD's as well. I'm not sure how it knows what you want played (like DVD vs. CD) but it just does it. One of it's best attributes is the all in one remote. No wires and you can switch back and forth between VCR and DVD. The only thing that would be better is if I could control the TV off of it.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I recently purchased a DVD and VCR combo from Costco. I've never seen anything so advanced in my life. Imagine, if you will, a player that has the ability to accept not only VHS tapes but also DVD's. Not only that, this thing can play CD's as well. I'm not sure how it knows what you want played (like DVD vs. CD) but it just does it. One of it's best attributes is the all in one remote. No wires and you can switch back and forth between VCR and DVD. The only thing that would be better is if I could control the TV off of it.[/QUOTE]

Can you burn DVD's from the VHS tapes? Then you could burn the discs, throw out the player and buy a Blu-Ray or something else relevant to this century.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Can you burn DVD's from the VHS tapes? Then you could burn the discs, throw out the player and buy a Blu-Ray or something else relevant to this century.[/quote]

I saw Avatar on Blu-Ray and was not impressed. The whole movie had a blue tint to it. Even those overgrown aliens with tails looked blue. No thank you.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I recently purchased a DVD and VCR combo from Costco. I've never seen anything so advanced in my life. Imagine, if you will, a player that has the ability to accept not only VHS tapes but also DVD's. Not only that, this thing can play CD's as well. I'm not sure how it knows what you want played (like DVD vs. CD) but it just does it. One of it's best attributes is the all in one remote. No wires and you can switch back and forth between VCR and DVD. The only thing that would be better is if I could control the TV off of it.[/QUOTE]
I would stay clear of that thing if I were you. It sounds like it's powered by black magic, Satan, voodoo or a combination of all three.

[quote=Home-slicer]I would stay clear of that thing if I were you. It sounds like it's powered by black magic, Satan, voodoo or a combination of all three.[/quote]

Actually, things like black magic, voodoo and other mystical practices should not be placed in the same box as Devil Worship or Evil. All religions have their own forms of ritual (Holy Communion for example) that people on the outside would find shocking if you described what they meant. Christianity condemned a lot of the magical practices and made people believe that they are works of the devil as a means of converting.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Actually, things like black magic, voodoo and other mystical practices should not be placed in the same box as Devil Worship or Evil. All religions have their own forms of ritual (Holy Communion for example) that people on the outside would find shocking if you described what they meant. Christianity condemned a lot of the magical practices and made people believe that they are works of the devil as a means of converting.[/QUOTE]
So Satan can power electronic devices, but voodoo cannot? I don't get it. Are you trying to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?

[quote=Home-slicer]So Satan can power electronic devices, but voodoo cannot? I don't get it. Are you trying to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?[/quote]

You better watch out or you be goin' to Hades. What I'm trying to tell you is that when people thought the world was flat, anyone who thought it was a sphere was considered a heretic. Later, when they proved it was a sphere, they were considered heros and scientists. One must be careful to judge. I am pleased to see that PKY may get a thread count of 300 might soon.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You better watch out or you be goin' to Hades.[/QUOTE]
Hey, you're the one that bought the Branch Davidian Satan powered voodoo machine to watch your Barbara Dare movies with.

[quote=Home-slicer]Hey, you're the one that bought the Branch Davidian Satan powered voodoo machine to watch your Barbara Dare movies with.[/quote]

I think a lack of personality is what held Barbara Dare from being a mega star. One of the best bodies I've ever seen. I think she could have gone on to be a great B movie actress...just like Tracy Lords.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I saw Avatar on Blu-Ray and was not impressed. The whole movie had a blue tint to it. Even those overgrown aliens with tails looked blue. No thank you.[/QUOTE]
Joking aside, Avatar could be the most visually stunning movie ever made. On a good system it's pretty incredible. $2.5B grossed during a recession.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Joking aside, Avatar could be the most visually stunning movie ever made. On a good system it's pretty incredible. $2.5B grossed during a recession.[/QUOTE]

Fanciest adaptation of Dances With Wolves I've ever seen.

[quote=Yaz1975]Fanciest adaptation of Dances With Wolves I've ever seen.[/quote]

It really was kind of like Dances With Wolves. I thought the first 1/3 of DWW was great but then it just dragged on. I thought the special effects in Avatar were revolutionary but I thought the portrayal of the evil corporation and the sadistic military was contrived.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Fanciest adaptation of Dances With Wolves I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]

That would make it the smartest adaptation of anything I've ever seen. Go ahead, adapt something and make $2.5B.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]It really was kind of like Dances With Wolves. I thought the first 1/3 of DWW was great but then it just dragged on. I thought the special effects in Avatar were revolutionary but I thought the portrayal of the evil corporation and the sadistic military was contrived.[/QUOTE]
I've heard that the actual historical American Indian Costner's character was based on was really called Two Dogs Fukking, being the first thing the midwife saw when she stuck her head out of the tent after the birth. That would have been a far more appropriate name for a Costner movie.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]That would make it the smartest adaptation of anything I've ever seen. Go ahead, adapt something and make $2.5B.[/quote]

Facebook did this with MySpace and made much more than that.

[quote=Not a hacker]I've heard that the actual historical American Indian Costner's character was based on was really called Two Dogs Fukking, being the first thing the midwife saw when she stuck her head out of the tent after the birth. That would have been a far more appropriate name for a Costner movie.[/quote]

One of the most overrated actors of our time. Here's a list of some of the bad performances:

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Facebook did this with MySpace and made much more than that.[/QUOTE]

True enough. I was referring to cinema. If we're talking business ventures, it's pretty much everything ever done, isn't it?

[quote=lorenzoinoc]True enough. I was referring to cinema. If we're talking business ventures, it's pretty much everything ever done, isn't it?[/quote]

Ok, how about Steve Austin "The Bionic Man" and The Terminator. Don't forget Jamie Summers, Oscar and Friends...you can build them over and over again. Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.

Avatar was a great movie to watch but I hate Hollywood's never ending need to be a bunch of bleeding hearts. There are too many messages in the movie about evil corporate America not caring about our natural environment, the slaughtering of the Native Americans, etc, etc. I think it would have been a much better movie without the liberal messages.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Ok, how about Steve Austin "The Bionic Man" and The Terminator. Don't forget Jamie Summers, Oscar and Friends...you can build them over and over again. Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself.

Avatar was a great movie to watch but I hate Hollywood's never ending need to be a bunch of bleeding hearts. There are too many messages in the movie about evil corporate America not caring about our natural environment, the slaughtering of the Native Americans, etc, etc. I think it would have been a much better movie without the liberal messages.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't referring to content only bottom line. Avatar made two and one-half billion dollars at the box office. Nobody else in cinema's done that and trust me, everyone would like to.

As far as content and creativity, the visuals were groundbreaking and set a new standard. The plot, casting, message, etc. were average. But be assured, Hollywood is a business first and a creative conduit second.

It's great that GR's thread on music and entertainment is nearing 300 posts.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I wasn't referring to content only bottom line. Avatar made two and one-half billion dollars at the box office. Nobody else in cinema's done that and trust me, everyone would like to.

As far as content and creativity, the visuals were groundbreaking and set a new standard. The plot, casting, message, etc. were average. But be assured, Hollywood is a business first and a creative conduit second.

It's great that GR's thread on music and entertainment is nearing 300 posts.[/QUOTE]


Yes it made a boat load of cash.

That being conceded, making a ton of money has nothing to do with being "good".

A movie that makes a high profit does not mean it was a good movie, just popular.

Lady Gaga is popular. Kate Gosselin is popular. So is reality television. They all pretty much suck. So did Avatar.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Yes it made a boat load of cash.

That being conceded, making a ton of money has nothing to do with being "good".

[B]A movie that makes a high profit does not mean it was a good movie, just popular.[/B]

Lady Gaga is popular. Kate Gosselin is popular. So is reality television. They all pretty much suck. So did Avatar.[/QUOTE]

Truer words have never been spoken.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I wasn't referring to content only bottom line. Avatar made two and one-half billion dollars at the box office. Nobody else in cinema's done that and trust me, everyone would like to.

As far as content and creativity, the visuals were groundbreaking and set a new standard. The plot, casting, message, etc. were average. But be assured, Hollywood is a business first and a creative conduit second.

It's great that GR's thread on music and entertainment is nearing 300 posts.[/QUOTE]
The amounts that movie cost to produce, were probably over a billion dollars. 20th century wont comment on any exact figures. They I,m sure were sweating bullets, over a big blue alien Love story.

[quote=SoonerBS]Truer words have never been spoken.[/quote]

There are so many science fiction movies that I've gone to see only to leave disappointed. The new trilogy of Star Wars was probably the best example. Independence Day could have been a great movie but it was riddled with stupid humor. The Day the Earth Stood Still could have been great as well. War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise started out OK but the two kids were annoying and the Tim Robbins piece was lame.

[QUOTE=12sandwich]The amounts that movie cost to produce, were probably over a billion dollars. 20th century wont comment on any exact figures. They I,m sure were sweating bullets, over a big blue alien Love story.[/QUOTE]

There just aren't investors who'll buy in when TPC are more than $250M. The only way to exceed that today is when they've sunk that, they're not done or the product stinks and more is required to protect the original investment.

The interesting thing about Avatar is, while movies are rarely shot in sequence, Avatar more or less was so 20th had intermediate points where they could reduce or increase their commitment. While this may have given them faith to double down, it's just too career risky to support a project that's financially out of control.

Of course popular doesn't mean good. Is that not obvious to everyone older than 3? It should also be obvious that the entertainment industry is really, like all others, about making money.

[QUOTE=Yaz1975]Yes it made a boat load of cash.

That being conceded, making a ton of money has nothing to do with being "good".

A movie that makes a high profit does not mean it was a good movie, just popular.

Lady Gaga is popular. Kate Gosselin is popular. So is reality television. They all pretty much suck. So did Avatar.[/QUOTE]
I may be being a little cynical here, but for me not receiving any nominations for the Oscars is a great recommendation in my book. The 'Academy' plays so many PC propaganda and other hidden agendas, nominations are based purely on what message the movie has, or what political minority it is supporting, not how good it is. That meteor movie movie with Bruce Willis saving the world would run a close second.

I haven't sen Avatar, but it couldn't possibly be as far to the liberal left as Independence Day was to the imperialist right. That movie had more American cheese in it than the state of Wisconsin.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I may be being a little cynical here, but for me not receiving any nominations for the Oscars is a great recommendation in my book. The 'Academy' plays so many PC propaganda and other hidden agendas, nominations are based purely on what message the movie has, or what political minority it is supporting, not how good it is. That meteor movie movie with Bruce Willis saving the world would run a close second.

I haven't sen Avatar, but it couldn't possibly be as far to the liberal left as Independence Day was to the imperialist right. That movie had more American cheese in it than the state of Wisconsin.[/QUOTE]

There's cool irony at play for sure. A movie that's too commercial to have a message, irritates conservatives as though the movie has some deep liberal agenda. It was fantasy. The supposed message pushers stuff the bank with record profits while self-conscious and insecure conservatives whine about fantasy and don't see the commercial significance that is supposedly their underpinnings. That much insecurity and fear is unattractive but entertaining.

Also, James Cameron is hated by pretty much everyone in Hollywood. He could have done the Godfather and not have gotten Academy recognition.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]There just aren't investors who'll buy in when TPC are more than $250M. The only way to exceed that today is when they've sunk that, they're not done or the product stinks and more is required to protect the original investment.

The interesting thing about Avatar is, while movies are rarely shot in sequence, Avatar more or less was so 20th had intermediate points where they could reduce or increase their commitment. While this may have given them faith to double down, it's just too career risky to support a project that's financially out of control.

Of course popular doesn't mean good. Is that not obvious to everyone older than 3? It should also be obvious that the entertainment industry is really, like all others, about making money.[/QUOTE]
Did you notice how there real close to replacing real actors with cg characters? Kind of a double edged sword, not only a new bar$. They,ve developed the technology to save large on future production.

[QUOTE=12sandwich]Did you notice how there real close to replacing real actors with cg characters? Kind of a double edged sword, not only a new bar$. They,ve developed the technology to save large on future production.[/QUOTE]

They're getting closer, partly due to the massive revenue being generated by v games and the financial incentive, moreso than cinema, to get more realistic. You consider how voice and data merged, then audio and data, next is cinema and then police officers.

Missed a hole in one today by 6 inches. Titleist ZB 8 iron right at the pin and bounced over the hole. As usual, short game killed me on the way to a 79 (Par 70 course). Here's a great example. I'm 2 over going into the 9th hole, par 5. Great drive down the middle, pulled a 3 wood a little but it hit the cart path and I'm pin high with a 30 yard shot over a bunker to the flag. I hit my sand wedge with the right swing but wrong amount of force and it goes right into the bunker on an uphill lie. Take my sand wedge out and skull it over the green into the parking lot. Hit my 6th shot out of bunker and two putt for an 8. Made two birdies on the back but didn't get up and down more than once. I like the Titleist ZB irons but not as much as the becu Eye 2s. Oh well .

[quote=Yaz1975]Yes it made a boat load of cash.

That being conceded, making a ton of money has nothing to do with being "good".

A movie that makes a high profit does not mean it was a good movie, just popular.

Lady Gaga is popular. Kate Gosselin is popular. So is reality television. They all pretty much suck. So did Avatar.[/quote]

Like most of your theories you know nothing of which you speak. A movie must be deemed "good" if it has the highest ticket sales of all time. Who should we depend on to tell us if it is good or not? Ticket sales alone tell us which movies are entertaining and which ones are not. Movies are meant to entertain. I don't need some liberal, limp wristed dorky film critic in a tweed jacket telling me which movies I should like, based on artsy fartsy criteria.

Movies, musicians and writers with the most sales must be the best. If the masses don't determine who is the best, who does? You? Who the hell are you?

Who is the official GR statistician? I'm wondering how often we get 300 post threads. And also how many of those are just because Larry and Alan keep blowing their nose on each other?

Kiwi, you usually remember these things.

FD, you raise a good point, but I prefer to subtract the popularity effect of the blauser, People magazine reading majority, except when looking strictly at commercial success.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Who is the official GR statistician? I'm wondering how often we get 300 post threads. And also how many of those are just because Larry and Alan keep blowing their nose on each other?

Kiwi, you usually remember these things.

FD, you raise a good point, but I prefer to subtract the popularity effect of the blauser, People magazine reading majority, except when looking strictly at commercial success.[/quote]

I agree. That's the problem with most big budget movies is that they need to cater to the masses, most of whom are uneducated and like stupid humor. A great example is Armageddon. If done right, that could have been an amazing movie. Instead, it was entertaining with some good special effects but with really stupid dialogue.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I agree. That's the problem with most big budget movies is that they need to cater to the masses, most of whom are uneducated and like stupid humor. A great example is Armageddon. If done right, that could have been an amazing movie. Instead, it was entertaining with some good special effects but with really stupid dialogue.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Look at any movie with a big budget. Those writing and production people want to continue to work. In that industry, if you'd like to get black listed in a flash, have a key role in a big budget movie that fails after art was put ahead of commercial success. The bigger the budget, the greater the pressure. The more art, the greater risk.

The only real insulation is the hunger for respect from one's peers who all profess to disdain commercialism. They like to refer to themselves as artists.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Who is the official GR statistician? I'm wondering how often we get 300 post threads. And also how many of those are just because Larry and Alan keep blowing their nose on each other?

[B]Kiwi, you usually remember these things.[/B]
FD, you raise a good point, but I prefer to subtract the popularity effect of the blauser, People magazine reading majority, except when looking strictly at commercial success.[/QUOTE]

I think Kiwi must be on holidays. He hasen't been around for ages.
It would be nice if he could chime in for the 300th.

The bottom of the swing is in front of the left shoulder, if too much of your weight is on your right side at impact, fat shots will ensue. Also make sure you aren't casting the club as this can also cause fat shots. A good way to monitor this is by sensing the pressure on the index finger of the right hand during the downswing. Hope that helps, Pky.