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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Yes, you would. But this one might be around for a while so I'm trying hard not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]
I have to bet that she's Korean.... I don't see too many Japaneese , Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, India, cambodia etc... on a golf course
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[QUOTE=alangbaker]
Isn't it amazing how every opinion you've ever had is in complete accord with "teaching pros [you] know"?[/QUOTE]
Alan, I know many teaching pros, the best in the San Diego area because I patronize them. I can take lessons because I have money. I have money because I was successful as a professional. I was successful as a professional because I got a good education. I got a good education because I enrolled and then persisted to finish high school, undergrad and then graduate college.
You have done none of that. You quit. So you don't have money nor are you welcome among professionals. You are not even welcome among journeymen successful people like electricians or plumbers. You are a dropout loser.
So what did you say you know about golf?
You have astonishing chutzpah to post here pretending to have knowledge or even much playing experience. You have neither because you simply can't afford golf.
Larry
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Larrie, don't look now, but your arrogance is showing.
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[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Alan, I know many teaching pros, the best in the San Diego area because I patronize them. I can take lessons because I have money. I have money because I was successful as a professional. I was successful as a professional because I got a good education. I got a good education because I enrolled and then persisted to finish high school, undergrad and then graduate college. [/quote]
Of course you know some teaching pros, Larry: you've been forced by your own inability to listen to anyone's advice and stick with it to move on from pro to pro to pro, each time telling us that the last one was terrible because of X, and the new one is great because of Y.
Until the new one becomes the old one... ..again, and again, and again...
[quote]You have done none of that. You quit. So you don't have money nor are you welcome among professionals. You are not even welcome among journeymen successful people like electricians or plumbers. You are a dropout loser.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]So what did you say you know about golf?[/quote]
How to do it a lot better than you, that's certain. :)
[quote]You have astonishing chutzpah to post here pretending to have knowledge or even much playing experience. You have neither because you simply can't afford golf. [/QUOTE]
I play regularly when the whether is decent, Larry. Last year was a bit of a down year for me, and I still played 30-40 times.
If you really think I can't play this game, make good on your challenge to play me a match straight up.
[INDENT][I][URL="https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/654331b96e7cc478?hl=en"]Not that it matters here, but I shot 79 last Friday and 82 in a match
play tournament Saturday morning. If you feel froggy, come on out to
California. I will play you $100 a hole-- My Handicap is 11.5 now.
Going down fast, better hurry.
Larry[/URL][/I][/INDENT]
Or aren't you "feeling froggy" yet?
;)
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[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Alan, I know many teaching pros, the best in the San Diego area because I patronize them. I can take lessons because I have money. I have money because I was successful as a professional.
Larry[/QUOTE]
To bad you can't buy talent or you might have a game. I'm sure they appreciate giving you the same lesson week in and week out. LOL.
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[QUOTE=poe4soul]To bad you can't buy talent or you might have a game. I'm sure they appreciate giving you the same lesson week in and week out. LOL.[/QUOTE]
Did you ever notice for a guy who claims to be rich and semi-retired...
...Larry's posts tend to come at lunch hour, after work...
It's sad when you reach 70 and your'e still punching a clock.
:(
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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I suspect you realize that's like asking me to make more teeth comments so I'll try and oblige. I'm not being cruel, I'm thinking of all the unemployed dentists in England.
I'm Italian for pete's sake, it isn't hard to return fire.[/QUOTE]
They have dentists in England?
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]They have dentists in England?[/QUOTE]
Yes they do and bloody good ones too. When I was living there I had some work done for about 35 quid on the NHS that would have cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars in NZ so I was pretty happy with that.
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[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Yes they do and bloody good ones too. When I was living there I had some work done for about 35 quid on the NHS that would have cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars in NZ so I was pretty happy with that.[/QUOTE]
But isn't 35 quid about equal to hundreds or thousands of your Pacific Pesos?
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]But isn't 35 quid about equal to hundreds or thousands of your Pacific Pesos?[/QUOTE]
Maybe so but who cares when you are earning pounds in London Town?
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[quote=Larryrsf]Alan, I know many teaching pros, the best in the San Diego area [B]because I patronize them[/B]. I can take lessons because I have money. I have money because I was successful as a professional. I was successful as a professional because I got a good education. I got a good education because I enrolled and then persisted to finish high school, undergrad and then graduate college.
You have done none of that. You quit. So you don't have money nor are you welcome among professionals. You are not even welcome among journeymen successful people like electricians or plumbers. You are a dropout loser.
So what did you say you know about golf?
You have astonishing chutzpah to post here pretending to have knowledge or even much playing experience. You have neither because you simply can't afford golf.
Larry[/quote]
Well, at least we aren't the only ones being patronized.
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[QUOTE=alangbaker]Did you ever notice for a guy who claims to be rich and semi-retired...
...Larry's posts tend to come at lunch hour, after work...
It's sad when you reach 70 and your'e still punching a clock.
:([/QUOTE]
I don't ever note the time because my schedule is so erratic that a lunch hour doesn't really equate unless it's for a meeting.
the "sad 70" comment is more in line with my thoughts. My old man never made a ton of money but he was thrifty and wise enough to retire at 55. He's enjoyed almost 20 years of golf and the first 10 were while his wife, mom, was still working. While Lary is "smart" and making digital copies in is spare bedroom at 70.
His wife is probably the brains in their family. I bet she's out in the pool playing with the dog's while Larie slaves away doing work most of us would assign to a 17 year old. I'm sure glad I'm not as "smart" as Lary claims to be. Hmmm, I wonder how you can really claim success if your still working at lary's old age. Sad, really.
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[QUOTE=poe4soul]I don't ever note the time because my schedule is so erratic that a lunch hour doesn't really equate unless it's for a meeting.
the "sad 70" comment is more in line with my thoughts. My old man never made a ton of money but he was thrifty and wise enough to retire at 55. He's enjoyed almost 20 years of golf and the first 10 were while his wife, mom, was still working. While Lary is "smart" and making digital copies in is spare bedroom at 70.
His wife is probably the brains in their family. I bet she's out in the pool playing with the dog's while Larie slaves away doing work most of us would assign to a 17 year old. I'm sure glad I'm not as "smart" as Lary claims to be. Hmmm, I wonder how you can really claim success if your still working at lary's old age. Sad, really.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think she's probably the one keeping them afloat.
:)
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[QUOTE=alangbaker]Actually, I think she's probably the one keeping them afloat.
:)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. They're probably living off her retirement and his scanning is used to pay for range balls and PVC tubes. It explains why he's still playing those old pos Cally irons. I'm starting to feel bad about giving him the gears for being such a talentless retard being emasculated and all. Poor, poor Larie.
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[QUOTE=alangbaker]Actually, I think she's probably the one keeping them afloat.
:)[/QUOTE]
I'm also feeling bad trashing Lary when I know he's had his warm milk and gone to bed hours ago.
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Kids who get to scratch at a young age are rare, but it does happen. I guess they just have huge talent and play and practice constantly. I knew a kid a my club who was awkward and chubby and spent endless hours on the range, practice green etc. I caddied for him occasionally when he played junior pennant. He was age 10. By age 12 he was scratch. He is now 16 and is plus 6. He wants to try and turn pro. He is no longer a chubby little kid but a big strong lad with a very accomplished game. I think he has a chance of some success if he continues to work hard.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Kids who get to scratch at a young age are rare, but it does happen. I guess they just have huge talent and play and practice constantly. I knew a kid a my club who was awkward and chubby and spent endless hours on the range, practice green etc. I caddied for him occasionally when he played junior pennant. He was age 10. By age 12 he was scratch. He is now 16 and is plus 6. He wants to try and turn pro. He is no longer a chubby little kid but a big strong lad with a very accomplished game. I think he has a chance of some success if he continues to work hard.[/QUOTE]
I remember playing a round at a course called Redwoods about 30km east of Vancouver. We were a threesome along with a buddy of ours and the pro shop added this 12 year old kid to our group. On one hole—a severe dogleg left with the corner nearly 270 yards from the tee and then went a lot up hil, the kid was aiming what appeared to be stupidly crazy left. If his tee shot had faded at all, it was almost certain to hit the towering conifers that lined the left side. Thinking I'd be helpful, I asked him if he was sure he wanted to hit it on that line, and he answered "Pretty sure." and proceeded to hit it arrow straight right into the middle of the fairway where it turned.
So I had to beat him to death.
:D
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]They have dentists in England?[/QUOTE]
Do you know where England is?? Are you one of the rare yanks who owns a passport???
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]Do you know where England is?? Are you one of the rare yanks who owns a passport???[/QUOTE]
It's worse than that Pottsy. He's an Aussie! :eek:
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Kids who get to scratch at a young age are rare, but it does happen. I guess they just have huge talent and play and practice constantly. I knew a kid a my club who was awkward and chubby and spent endless hours on the range, practice green etc. I caddied for him occasionally when he played junior pennant. He was age 10. By age 12 he was scratch. He is now 16 and is plus 6. He wants to try and turn pro. He is no longer a chubby little kid but a big strong lad with a very accomplished game. I think he has a chance of some success if he continues to work hard.[/QUOTE]
+6? You see this is where the handicap systems differ immensely! In Europe under CONGU if anyone was off +6 they would be a phenom. I believe Sergio Garcia was +6 when he turned Pro and Shane Lowry was +5. A mate of mine who is currently playing Hooters Tour as he didn't qualify for his ET card was off +4 and was in top ten ameteur World Rankings and played Walker Cup.
These handicaps like this kid off +6 just seem phoney to me! Sorry Guys!
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[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]It's worse than that Pottsy. He's an Aussie! :eek:[/QUOTE]
Oh No? He does have a passport? I can't believe it? I have started talking as if every statement was a question? Really going up in tone at the end of each sentence? Can you tell? :-)
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]+6? You see this is where the handicap systems differ immensely! In Europe under CONGU if anyone was off +6 they would be a phenom. I believe Sergio Garcia was +6 when he turned Pro and Shane Lowry was +5. A mate of mine who is currently playing Hooters Tour as he didn't qualify for his ET card was off +4 and was in top ten ameteur World Rankings and played Walker Cup.
These handicaps like this kid off +6 just seem phoney to me! Sorry Guys![/QUOTE]
He is a phenom. And our handicap system has recently changed but was previously very similar to the UK system. He was +5 under the old system. You need to be at about his level to have a decent chance of making it as a pro.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]He is a phenom. And our handicap system has recently changed but was previously very similar to the UK system. He was +5 under the old system. You need to be at about his level to have a decent chance of making it as a pro.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt he is an exceptional Golfer but a phenom in my eyes is an amateur who is destined to make it like Fowler, Rose or Garcia. It was well known that these guys couldn't really fail to make it as they were simply that good.
+6 would suggest that he is in or beyond that league! +6 in Europe would be phenominal and would be widely reported to be so.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]He is a phenom. And our handicap system has recently changed but was previously very similar to the UK system. He was +5 under the old system. You need to be at about his level to have a decent chance of making it as a pro.[/QUOTE]
Oh and I don't believe that you need to be at +6 or around that to make it as a pro. Actually that is nonsense! Poulter wasn't even off SCR when he turned pro. You need to know in yourself that even if you play off +1 you are good enough on a consistent level. That is the people who make it.
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]Oh and I don't believe that you need to be at +6 or around that to make it as a pro. Actually that is nonsense! Poulter wasn't even off SCR when he turned pro. You need to know in yourself that even if you play off +1 you are good enough on a consistent level. That is the people who make it.[/QUOTE]
Yes i agree that a belief in your game and dedication to improvment are essential ingredients in an attempt to play at a high level. I wasn't aware that our systems (Australia's old system) and Britians system were that different.
Club golf where a lot of rounds are played on a home course from lesser tees than the pro play from must be easier. Therefore a high plus club player may be an also ran on the tougher big field tourneys.
We have a lot (dozen or so) scratch players at my club. Playing pretty challenging layouts. None of them could match it with the big boys.
One of our club scratch players (past club champ) last week played at a pro tourney at another local course he knew well. He didn't make the cut. His form was ok. He shot 70, 71 and missed by quite a few shots.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes i agree that a belief in your game and dedication to improvment are essential ingredients in an attempt to play at a high level. I wasn't aware that our systems (Australia's old system) and Britians system were that different.
Club golf where a lot of rounds are played on a home course from lesser tees than the pro play from must be easier. Therefore a high plus club player may be an also ran on the tougher big field tourneys.
We have a lot (dozen or so) scratch players at my club. Playing pretty challenging layouts. None of them could match it with the big boys.
One of our club scratch players (past club champ) last week played at a pro tourney at another local course he knew well. He didn't make the cut. His form was ok. He shot 70, 71 and missed by quite a few shots.[/QUOTE]
Have Australia not been on the USGA system for 4 years now?
If he was playing off +5 on the old system then he is exceptional (as I said). He is easily good enough to make it on a tour and I would suggest the tour in Australia would be the lowest he should be looking at. +5 on the UK system is top class. It means you have likely played for your country and probably played in a challenge tour or european tour event.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes i agree that a belief in your game and dedication to improvment are essential ingredients in an attempt to play at a high level. I wasn't aware that our systems (Australia's old system) and Britians system were that different.
Club golf where a lot of rounds are played on a home course from lesser tees than the pro play from must be easier. Therefore a high plus club player may be an also ran on the tougher big field tourneys.
We have a lot (dozen or so) scratch players at my club. Playing pretty challenging layouts. None of them could match it with the big boys.
One of our club scratch players (past club champ) last week played at a pro tourney at another local course he knew well. He didn't make the cut. His form was ok. He shot 70, 71 and missed by quite a few shots.[/QUOTE]
From an article in The Guardian in 2001:
"Here was the young player the tour had been waiting for; a plus-six handicapper (the lowest recorded handicap in history of amateur golf); a sponsor's wet dream; Europe's answer to Tiger Woods! And before he had even swung a club, he was gone. 'Sergio's a global player,' says his agent by way of explanation"
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]From an article in The Guardian in 2001:
"Here was the young player the tour had been waiting for; a plus-six handicapper (the lowest recorded handicap in history of amateur golf); a sponsor's wet dream; Europe's answer to Tiger Woods! And before he had even swung a club, he was gone. 'Sergio's a global player,' says his agent by way of explanation"[/QUOTE]
If somehing's written in the newspaper then it's a good bet to be false. I e-mailed someone on your island who knows about this so let's see what he says. Under the USGA system +4 will get you a college scholarship but you'd have no chance of getting that game through Q school or even onto the Nationwide Tour. There are tours around the world where one might succeed but I don't think that's what we're talking about. (Canadian Tour, Cal State Tour, European Tour). We mean legitimate tours.
Teenagers have +4-s around here. That said, it is under USGA and I wouldn't defend anything about them.
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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]If somehing's written in the newspaper then it's a good bet to be false. I e-mailed someone on your island who knows about this so let's see what he says. Under the USGA system +4 will get you a college scholarship but you'd have no chance of getting that game through Q school or even onto the Nationwide Tour. There are tours around the world where one might succeed but I don't think that's what we're talking about. (Canadian Tour, Cal State Tour, European Tour). We mean legitimate tours.
Teenagers have +4-s around here. That said, it is under USGA and I wouldn't defend anything about them.[/QUOTE]
Lorenzo. I know about it funnily enough!
I personally know golfers who have gotten US college scholarships playing off a UK 1 handicap and in recent years too.
As I said previously my mate plays on tour and he turned pro off +2 and got through Q school and has won 2 European Tour events.
Maybe +2 here is like +5 there?
I played 30 medal rounds last year (medal round meaning from back tees and counting for handicap under CONGU rules). Of the 30 I shot under par 7 times, level par 5 times, 1 over par 8 times, 2 over par 2 times and over 2 over par 8 times.
Under USGA what handicap would that give me?
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]Lorenzo. I know about it funnily enough!
I personally know golfers who have gotten US college scholarships playing off a UK 1 handicap and in recent years too.
As I said previously my mate plays on tour and he turned pro off +2 and got through Q school and has won 2 European Tour events.
Maybe +2 here is like +5 there?
I played 30 medal rounds last year (medal round meaning from back tees and counting for handicap under CONGU rules). Of the 30 I shot under par 7 times, level par 5 times, 1 over par 8 times, 2 over par 2 times and over 2 over par 8 times.
Under USGA what handicap would that give me?[/QUOTE]
Impossible to say as it's the lowest of your last twenty that count, adjusted for a course's ease or difficulty. And you don't know, you're guessing based on personal experience and anecdote. There are people who are intimately familiar with this professionally who do know and won't be guessing.
I can tell you those scores wouldn't get you into the top 10 in a top level junior tournament here.
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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Impossible to say as it's the lowest of your last twenty that count, adjusted for a course's ease or difficulty. And you don't know, you're guessing based on personal experience and anecdote. There are people who are intimately familiar with this professionally who do know and won't be guessing.
I can tell you those scores wouldn't get you into the top 10 in a top level junior tournament here.[/QUOTE]
+8? That is good... I should relocate to the Washington Office!
I totally agree with you that I am not exactly ripping it up. I have always said on this forum that I am just an average golfer. There are thousands of kids who would murder me if I played them I am sure. I have played a good Junior level too and been in the best for my age in my region but I made nothing of it and probably just wasn't good enough anyway. No pretention coming from here.
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I'm getting very efficient at shooting a low-mid 40's front 9, and then 1 or 2 over on the back. I don't know if it's cause I'm not exactly warming up first, or if I just don't give a damn by the back 9
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[QUOTE=Pottsy][B]Have Australia not been on the USGA system for 4 years now?[/B]
If he was playing off +5 on the old system then he is exceptional (as I said). He is easily good enough to make it on a tour and I would suggest the tour in Australia would be the lowest he should be looking at. +5 on the UK system is top class. It means you have likely played for your country and probably played in a challenge tour or european tour event.[/QUOTE]
For only 9 months.
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I get paired with a lot of scratch and single digit caps when I can slip out of work early for a quick 9, and they almost never break 40. I don't think they are necessarily vanity cappers, because they usually have good mechanics and overall game, but they just don't score. Most of them belong to other courses and just play this one out of convenience. Its a public course that probably gets more play than any course in VA (because of its proximity to 3 major interstates). The only excuse I can make for them is that playing at a different home course all the time tends to decrease the cap significantly. Sometimes I think guys who play on the same home course all the time may have up to a 5+ shot handicap disadvantage when they travel.
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]Lorenzo. I know about it funnily enough!
I personally know golfers who have gotten US college scholarships playing off a UK 1 handicap and in recent years too.
As I said previously my mate plays on tour and he turned pro off +2 and got through Q school and has won 2 European Tour events.
Maybe +2 here is like +5 there?
I played 30 medal rounds last year (medal round meaning from back tees and counting for handicap under CONGU rules). Of the 30 I shot under par 7 times, level par 5 times, 1 over par 8 times, 2 over par 2 times and over 2 over par 8 times.
Under USGA what handicap would that give me?[/QUOTE]
Impossible to say as it's the lowest of your last twenty that count, adjusted for a course's ease or difficulty. And you don't know, you're guessing based on personal experience and anecdote. There are people who are intimately familiar with this professionally who do know and won't be guessing.
I can tell you those scores wouldn't get you into the top 10 in a top level junior tournament here.
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[QUOTE=Pottsy]I don't doubt he is an exceptional Golfer but a phenom in my eyes is an amateur who is destined to make it like Fowler, Rose or Garcia. It was well known that these guys couldn't really fail to make it as they were simply that good.
+6 would suggest that he is in or beyond that league! +6 in Europe would be phenominal and would be widely reported to be so.[/QUOTE]
I share your secpticism with the +6 Pottsy. I have known sme very low handicap golfres who have very suspect reputations when it comes to following the rules. There used to be a well known cheat around Sydney who was off about +8 or somethng, the lowest handicap player in Australia, wjho would regularly have his arse handed to him in major Pennants playing as low as 4 or 5. There is another guy out my way who is about +5 who had allegedly 43 points in a stableford on his own. Now that's a scratch score of 12 under. This guy is undoubtedly a good player but has a rep in top flight amatuers as a cheat who has been caught and DQd plenty of times. Another thing I've noted about loads of scratch and better players is that they put in good cards only, and DQ themself or walk off the course when they aren't scoring well. There are plenty of vanity handicap protectors out this way.
Not saying OP's boy is a cheat, but he may be putting in less than his full quota of cards for rounds played. If he really is playing to a legit +6 he should sign up for the tour already.
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I share your secpticism with the +6 Pottsy. I have known sme very low handicap golfres who have very suspect reputations when it comes to following the rules. There used to be a well known cheat around Sydney who was off about +8 or somethng, the lowest handicap player in Australia, wjho would regularly have his arse handed to him in major Pennants playing as low as 4 or 5. There is another guy out my way who is about +5 who had allegedly 43 points in a stableford on his own. Now that's a scratch score of 12 under. This guy is undoubtedly a good player but has a rep in top flight amatuers as a cheat who has been caught and DQd plenty of times. Another thing I've noted about loads of scratch and better players is that they put in good cards only, and DQ themself or walk off the course when they aren't scoring well. There are plenty of vanity handicap protectors out this way.
Not saying OP's boy is a cheat, but he may be putting in less than his full quota of cards for rounds played. [B] If he really is playing to a legit +6 he should sign up for the tour already[/B].[/QUOTE]
He plans to turn pro as soon as he finishes school.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]He plans to turn pro as soon as he finishes school.[/QUOTE]
Which 13th Beach course are you a member of, or does membership cover both courses? I was just reading the course ratings and 13th Beach beach course is rated the nmber 6 public access course in Australia. I know 'public access' takes a lot o courses out of the running, but still, it must be a hell of a course ot be rated higher than Bonville.
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Which 13th Beach course are you a member of, or does membership cover both courses? I was just reading the course ratings and 13th Beach beach course is rated the nmber 6 public access course in Australia. I know 'public access' takes a lot o courses out of the running, but still, it must be a hell of a course ot be rated higher than Bonville.[/QUOTE]
Yes it covers both courses. We play them in weekly rotation. The Beach course is a top track and the Creek course is not far behind. Played the Creek today and am playing the Beach tomorrow. I am one lucky schmuck. Why don't you do a Kiwi and come to Victoria. I'd be more than happy to arrange a game.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes it covers both courses. We play them in weekly rotation. The Beach course is a top track and the Creek course is not far behind. Played the Creek today and am playing the Beach tomorrow. I am one lucky schmuck. Why don't you do a Kiwi and come to Victoria. I'd be more than happy to arrange a game.[/QUOTE]
Rug rat number 2 just arrived so not much chance of getting down there any time soon. I was looking at a possible job in Melbourne at one stage but it seems to have fallen through. If I lived down there I think I'd be spending a lot of my spare time around the Barwon Heads area, that seems to be the new Mecca for golfers down your way. For such a big city Sydney realy does have a shortage of public access golf courses. There are quite a few really top shelf private clubs, but as far as resort type courses or just good courses open to the public go we have next to nothing.
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker][B]Rug rat number 2 just arrived so not much chance of getting down there any time soon. [/B] I was looking at a possible job in Melbourne at one stage but it seems to have fallen through. If I lived down there I think I'd be spending a lot of my spare time around the Barwon Heads area, that seems to be the new Mecca for golfers down your way. For such a big city Sydney realy does have a shortage of public access golf courses. There are quite a few really top shelf private clubs, but as far as resort type courses or just good courses open to the public go we have next to nothing.[/QUOTE]
Can't you arrange a family holiday to Melbourne and then negotiate with SWMBO to get a day off for golf? You will surely have to pay penance as I did but it was worth it! :)
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Congrats and condolences, NAH.
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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Congrats and condolences, NAH.[/QUOTE]
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This is where the grass is greener really comes into play. Especially during the first two years. I remember thinking how great being a bachelor was and how I should have played golf every single day when i lived by myself. Of course, the reality was that I was alone and miserable and didn't feel like playing every day. All it takes is for the wife to go away and visit her parents for a week. It starts out great where I'm watching sports all the time and golf channel. Then I go out and drive around and go to a bunch of golf stores and play a whole bunch of golf. After a few days of this I start to get really bored and remember how boring it was living by myself. It's true when they say that golf is more enjoyable when you've got a lot of other things going on in your life.
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[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Can't you arrange a family holiday to Melbourne and then negotiate with SWMBO to get a day off for golf? You will surely have to pay penance as I did but it was worth it! :)[/QUOTE]
I think a better idea is to try to start lookng at jobs in Melbourne and try to get an interview (prefrably early in the morning so I have to fly down the day before) and try to fit in an afternoon round. If I was there for a couple of days on holidays and had a round of golf I'd have to book a appointment with a divorce laywer on the way back to the hotel.
The job interview angle could be doable as I've now got to the stage where I get interviews for the level of jobs where they will pay for the airfares to attend the interview.
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[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Congrats and condolences, NAH.[/QUOTE]
Thanks ZO, I hope I can return the favour some time soon. I'm older than you, and my wife is much older than your new bride, so don't say it won't happen :).
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[QUOTE=famousdavis]This is where the grass is greener really comes into play. Especially during the first two years. I remember thinking how great being a bachelor was and how I should have played golf every single day when i lived by myself. Of course, the reality was that I was alone and miserable and didn't feel like playing every day. All it takes is for the wife to go away and visit her parents for a week. It starts out great where I'm watching sports all the time and golf channel. Then I go out and drive around and go to a bunch of golf stores and play a whole bunch of golf. After a few days of this I start to get really bored and remember how boring it was living by myself. It's true when they say that golf is more enjoyable when you've got a lot of other things going on in your life.[/QUOTE]
I subscribe to this theory. As much as I'd like to play every day, if I was in a position to do that I probably wouldn't want to. You only want what you don't have. I'm happy to keep that life balance the 'well being' gurus always bang on about, as long as I can still play at least once a week. Having said all that, if I was forced to walk away from glf alogether I would be just as depressed as being single and being able to play every day. Golf isn't everything in lfe, but it also isn't nothing either.
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[quote=Not a hacker]Thanks ZO, I hope I can return the favour some time soon. I'm older than you, and my wife is much older than your new bride, so don't say it won't happen :).[/quote]
I'd have loved to have had more kids when raising my first family but at this stage I'm done. That is I really hope so. She swears no interest but then how could any woman not want to have a child with me? I'd get the pipelines cut but then where would all those gallons go? I don't need to worry about something like that when the moment of truth comes.
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The title of this thread reminds me of that old crank call.....I am sure you all remember which one.
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[quote=lorenzoinoc]I'd have loved to have had more kids when raising my first family but at this stage I'm done. That is I really hope so. She swears no interest but then how could any woman not want to have a child with me? I'd get the pipelines cut but then where would all those gallons go? I don't need to worry about something like that when the moment of truth comes.[/quote]
I had the pipelines cut and it was no big deal at all. Better extremely safe than sorry. Oh, and by the way, for all you single guys out there never trust a woman who says she's on the pill. Never.
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[quote=famousdavis]I had the pipelines cut and it was no big deal at all. Better extremely safe than sorry. Oh, and by the way, for all you single guys out there never trust a woman who says she's on the pill. Never.[/quote]
When some of the girls I dated said they were on the pill, I assumed they meant Xanax.
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[QUOTE=poe4soul]To bad you can't buy talent or you might have a game. I'm sure they appreciate giving you the same lesson week in and week out. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY[/url]
I learned this from a teaching pro-- who insisted that I do it in slow motion until I could make the same sequence at tempo. I decided to keep the slower backswing and arm roll and then downswing at tempo after my weight shift. This works. I hit it 250+ with a relaxed swing. I hit all the fairways and many greens in regulation Saturday.
If you can't do it in slow motion, you have no hope of doing it correctly at tempo. We learn the golf swing like we learn a new dance step or to play a new tune on a musical instrument. If you don't have the patience, take up horseshoes or pool.
Larry
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[quote=Larryrsf][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY[/URL]
I learned this from a teaching pro-- who insisted that I do it in slow motion until I could make the same sequence at tempo. I decided to keep the slower backswing and arm roll and then downswing at tempo after my weight shift. This works. I hit it 250+ with a relaxed swing. I hit all the fairways and many greens in regulation Saturday.
If you can't do it in slow motion, you have no hope of doing it correctly at tempo. We learn the golf swing like we learn a new dance step or to play a new tune on a musical instrument. If you don't have the patience, take up horseshoes or pool.
Larry[/quote]
I'm calling b.s. That swing couldn't produce 250 down the side of Mt. Everest.
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[quote=Larryrsf][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY[/URL]
I learned this from a teaching pro-- who insisted that I do it in slow motion until I could make the same sequence at tempo. I decided to keep the slower backswing and arm roll and then downswing at tempo after my weight shift. This works. I hit it 250+ with a relaxed swing. I hit all the fairways and many greens in regulation Saturday.
If you can't do it in slow motion, you have no hope of doing it correctly at tempo. We learn the golf swing like we learn a new dance step or to play a new tune on a musical instrument. If you don't have the patience, take up horseshoes or pool.
Larry[/quote]
I saw the video and man, where'd you get that hat? You get a free bowl of soup with that hat?
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[QUOTE=Larryrsf][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY[/url]
I learned this from a teaching pro-- who insisted that I do it in slow motion until I could make the same sequence at tempo. I decided to keep the slower backswing and arm roll and then downswing at tempo after my weight shift. This works. I hit it 250+ with a relaxed swing. I hit all the fairways and many greens in regulation Saturday. [/quote]
How many times have you claimed that? What was it: a pitch and putt.... ...an executive course?
As for hitting it "250+", no way; not without 50+ yards of roll.
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[QUOTE=famousdavis]I saw the video and man, where'd you get that hat? You get a free bowl of soup with that hat?[/QUOTE]
Oh, but it looks good on you . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/no-no.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Larryrsf][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVYgaYd9ZY[/url]
I learned this from a teaching pro-- who insisted that I do it in slow motion until I could make the same sequence at tempo. I decided to keep the slower backswing and arm roll and then downswing at tempo after my weight shift. This works. I hit it 250+ with a relaxed swing. I hit all the fairways and many greens in regulation Saturday.
If you can't do it in slow motion, you have no hope of doing it correctly at tempo. We learn the golf swing like we learn a new dance step or to play a new tune on a musical instrument. If you don't have the patience, take up horseshoes or pool.
Larry[/QUOTE]
I may be stating the bleeding obvious here Larry but this slow motion crap flies in the face of your centrifugal force/swing the clubhead trip you were on not that long ago. By doing everything in slow motion you are forcing yourself to activate the hands and arms to hold and manouvre the club through positions which under normal speed would be taken care of by the momentum created from your turning body. You may have a point about learning to play guitar by practising at slowr than normal speed, cause you will be doing the exact same thing using the exact same muscles at speed, just faster. But with the golf swing a lot of stuff happens as a physical reaction to other things going on (you know that centrifugal force thing you were banging on about), so when you try to slow it all down you are using completely different muscles and moves to those used in a normal speed swing. For example, in a normal speed swing, most good golfers use gravity to let the club drop down into the slot from the top, without engaging the arms or hands to manipulate it into those positions as you must do when trying to do it in slow motion. The golf swing is a complex flowing movement which cannot be done in slow motion (no matter what Hogan says). Sure you can move the clubhead through the correct swing path, but the feeling you get at slow speed would be completely different to what you want to be feeling at normal speed.
I know everyone else hear knows this Larry, I just thought I'd give you a hand for a change and spell it out to you.
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[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Oh, but it looks good on you . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/no-no.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Hey Whitey, where's your hat?
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[quote=Not a hacker]I may be stating the bleeding obvious here Larry but this slow motion crap flies in the face of your centrifugal force/swing the clubhead trip you were on not that long ago. By doing everything in slow motion you are forcing yourself to activate the hands and arms to hold and manouvre the club through positions which under normal speed would be taken care of by the momentum created from your turning body. You may have a point about learning to play guitar by practising at slowr than normal speed, cause you will be doing the exact same thing using the exact same muscles at speed, just faster. But with the golf swing a lot of stuff happens as a physical reaction to other things going on (you know that centrifugal force thing you were banging on about), so when you try to slow it all down you are using completely different muscles and moves to those used in a normal speed swing. For example, in a normal speed swing, most good golfers use gravity to let the club drop down into the slot from the top, without engaging the arms or hands to manipulate it into those positions as you must do when trying to do it in slow motion. The golf swing is a complex flowing movement which cannot be done in slow motion (no matter what Hogan says). Sure you can move the clubhead through the correct swing path, but the feeling you get at slow speed would be completely different to what you want to be feeling at normal speed.
I know everyone else hear knows this Larry, I just thought I'd give you a hand for a change and spell it out to you.[/quote]
This is a good point. I also can't imagine how one could sequence in slow motion, everything would happen individually. But all that just adds to the comic relief.
In my experience, most instructors want to slow it down so the can enjoy your wallet over a more prolonged period of time.
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[QUOTE=oldplayer]Kids who get to scratch at a young age are rare, but it does happen. I guess they just have huge talent and play and practice constantly. I knew a kid a my club who was awkward and chubby and spent endless hours on the range, practice green etc. I caddied for him occasionally when he played junior pennant. He was age 10. By age 12 he was scratch. He is now 16 and is plus 6. He wants to try and turn pro. He is no longer a chubby little kid but a big strong lad with a very accomplished game. I think he has a chance of some success if he continues to work hard.[/QUOTE]
When I was 19 I worked at a Houston driving range and a little blond kid would come out to hit. Flawless swing, pure ball flight. Nicest little guy, about 13. Destined for greatness, went on to sign at university of Houston where Freddy and Nantzy played. Was stricken with bone cancer, barely survived it, a terrible thing, but went on to be a well known pro on the Canadian tour.. You Canucks remember the name Stuart Hendley?
A great kid.
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[quote=daveperkins]When I was 19 I worked at a Houston driving range and a little blond kid would come out to hit. Flawless swing, pure ball flight. Nicest little guy, about 13. Destined for greatness, went on to sign at university of Houston where Freddy and Nantzy played. Was stricken with bone cancer, barely survived it, a terrible thing, but went on to be a well known pro on the Canadian tour.. You Canucks remember the name Stuart Hendley?
A great kid.[/quote]
I heard he made a fortune in physics.
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[QUOTE=The Purist][B]I sort of agree with this, but also don't[/B]..[/QUOTE]
what are you, running for office?
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[QUOTE=famousdavis]I heard he made a fortune in physics.[/QUOTE]
.......Boom!
Actually I thought he got caught night putting.
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker].......Boom!
Actually I thought he got caught night putting.[/QUOTE]
I'd never heard of Hendley Physics until you lot started congratulating each other on your wit.. :-)
But this is Stuart Hendley.. he's apparently back in Texas now...
[url]http://www.hendleygolf.com/Biography.htm[/url]
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[quote=daveperkins]I'd never heard of Hendley Physics until you lot started congratulating each other on your wit.. :-)
But this is Stuart Hendley.. he's apparently back in Texas now...
[URL="http://www.hendleygolf.com/Biography.htm"]http://www.hendleygolf.com/Biography.htm[/URL][/quote]
Is he related to Hendly Lemar?
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[QUOTE=famousdavis]Is he related to Hendly Lemar?[/QUOTE]
I thought it was Heddy?
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I may be stating the bleeding obvious here Larry but this slow motion crap flies in the face of your centrifugal force/swing the clubhead trip you were on not that long ago. By doing everything in slow motion you are forcing yourself to activate the hands and arms to hold and manouvre the club through positions which under normal speed would be taken care of by the momentum created from your turning body. You may have a point about learning to play guitar by practising at slowr than normal speed, cause you will be doing the exact same thing using the exact same muscles at speed, just faster. But with the golf swing a lot of stuff happens as a physical reaction to other things going on (you know that centrifugal force thing you were banging on about), so when you try to slow it all down you are using completely different muscles and moves to those used in a normal speed swing. For example, in a normal speed swing, most good golfers use gravity to let the club drop down into the slot from the top, without engaging the arms or hands to manipulate it into those positions as you must do when trying to do it in slow motion. The golf swing is a complex flowing movement which cannot be done in slow motion (no matter what Hogan says). Sure you can move the clubhead through the correct swing path, but the feeling you get at slow speed would be completely different to what you want to be feeling at normal speed.
I know everyone else hear knows this Larry, I just thought I'd give you a hand for a change and spell it out to you.[/QUOTE]
Good point NAH, and it is also the reason i don't like using weighted clubs as training aids because the extra weight actually forces your arms,hands etc to make a forced movement instead of the movement made with a normal weight club.
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[QUOTE=rooboy]Good point NAH, and it is also the reason i don't like using weighted clubs as training aids because the extra weight actually forces your arms,hands etc to make a forced movement instead of the movement made with a normal weight club.[/QUOTE]
Not to worry, RB.
This week's "secret" will become next week's "only an idiot would do that"...
:)
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[QUOTE=alangbaker]Not to worry, RB.
This week's "secret" will become next week's "only an idiot would do that"...
:)[/QUOTE]
I'm sure if you check your calendar you could provide us with next weeks swing thought/drill/ magic move already Alan. There seems to be a continual cycle of postings happening with monotonous regularity - must have learn't "copy and paste" early on :D
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[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I may be stating the bleeding obvious here Larry but this slow motion crap flies in the face of your centrifugal force/swing the clubhead trip you were on not that long ago. By doing everything in slow motion you are forcing yourself to activate the hands and arms to hold and manouvre the club through positions which under normal speed would be taken care of by the momentum created from your turning body. You may have a point about learning to play guitar by practising at slowr than normal speed, cause you will be doing the exact same thing using the exact same muscles at speed, just faster. But with the golf swing a lot of stuff happens as a physical reaction to other things going on (you know that centrifugal force thing you were banging on about), so when you try to slow it all down you are using completely different muscles and moves to those used in a normal speed swing. For example, in a normal speed swing, most good golfers use gravity to let the club drop down into the slot from the top, without engaging the arms or hands to manipulate it into those positions as you must do when trying to do it in slow motion. The golf swing is a complex flowing movement which cannot be done in slow motion (no matter what Hogan says). Sure you can move the clubhead through the correct swing path, but the feeling you get at slow speed would be completely different to what you want to be feeling at normal speed.
I know everyone else hear knows this Larry, I just thought I'd give you a hand for a change and spell it out to you.[/QUOTE]
Larry, you have been called out. NaH has literally taken your teaching, shredded it, and fed it to the koalas. I will be interested to hear your reply . . . . .
[img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5elf/popcorn2.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Larry, you have been called out. NaH has literally taken your teaching, shredded it, and fed it to the koalas.[B] I will be interested to hear your reply [/B]. . . . .
[img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5elf/popcorn2.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Don't hold your breath. Or maybe he will reply with a totally unrelated post about Big Bertha 2002 irons.
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