Tuesday morning in orlando....

Qtong,
I am going to be in your area on the 25th and I've got about an hour and a half free time. Think we can squeeze in 6 holes at your course?

[quote=jearliff]Qtong,
I am going to be in your area on the 25th and I've got about an hour and a half free time. Think we can squeeze in 6 holes at your course?[/quote]

Go for 6 and then see if you can squeeze into his other two.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Dave, would this be a bad time to remind you to change your signature?[/QUOTE]

Until I lose another match, anytime is a bad time to remind me to change my signature. :-)

This was stroke. Signature still entirely accurate.

:D

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Well said Dave. I didn't realize that he was actually serious about being a tour player. That's unfortunate, really, because it's simply not possible.[/QUOTE]
In about 30 years, TGC will be airing "Pipe Dream 2 : a homless Asian man's struggle to make it on the Champions Tour."

[QUOTE=The Purist]I think Qtong owes the Mward, Pottsy, and Dave a huge apology. I am talking a Tiger Woods after 10 mistresses apology...and words aren't enough...the apology needs to be video taped, so that I can judge the level of sincerity with my own eyes.

If you make an apology video, where you acknowledge and own up to everything you did wrong and you can say it with sincerity (no giggling or half asssing), you would take a huge step forward in my opinion.

Its time to do whats right and give these guys a proper apology on video.[/QUOTE]

He's sent me an apology, I can only assume he's done the same for Pottsy and Dave. To be honest, there was a minute we all almost withdrew due to two really cute girls on the putting green after we finished 9. We unfortunately did not withdraw, we kept playing. Damn it they were cute, and I'm hoping Jason got them on tape.

The whole point was to go off and have fun. We did that. Was it unfortunate that none of our games carried over in travel and that the course wasn't in the greatest condition? Absolutely. Would I do it again? Sure. Maybe pick a course over near Tampa though.

I was disappointed in Dave only once. Him being from Texas, I expected him to be in a cowboy hat, and all I got was a ball cap. That was indeed a let down.

[quote=daveperkins]Until I lose another match, anytime is a bad time to remind me to change my signature. :-)

This was stroke. Signature still entirely accurate.

:D[/quote]
I'm going over my math. Give yourself Qtong but rack up the two to Pottsy and MW. Never mind, it was a bad time and it was awkward of me to bring it up.

[quote=Home-slicer]In about 30 years, TGC will be airing "Pipe Dream 2 : a homless Asian man's struggle to make it on the Champions Tour."[/quote]

LOL. I watched that stupid show. I saw the one where they drove to Carmel to play in the 3-day qualifier. That guy has absolutely no chance of making it on tour. He never broke 80 over 3 rounds and then he quit like a whining little bi.tch after he supposedly aggrivated his hernia. That guy is a complete loser and what a chump for blaming his play on his caddie. Since he lives in those big cement pipes he should practice skate boarding. He probably has more chance of making the X games than the tour.

[quote=Home-slicer]In about 30 years, TGC will be airing "Pipe Dream 2 : a homless Asian man's struggle to make it on the Champions Tour."[/quote]

They could begin the show with Dave's video showing him walking off the 6th green toward the clubhouse..."this is how it all began 30 years ago". Maybe it could be a show about his struggle to get back on GR.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]
I have never invested hundreds of dollars and two days of my time to travel a thousand miles at the invitation of a fellow golfer, to play as his guest at his club, and then been treated with that level of distance, surliness and defensiveness. It is unheard of in my 35 years of golf and 50 years of living.

there are many who are equally surly, selfish and defensive. It is a trait of youth, and I have too much personal experience with those things to be terribly critical of them.

[B]But how does a person default to those behaviors after having taken the initiative to be a host, to invite people to travel to his club and play as his guest?
[/B]
On the whole, it is unforgivable. Perhaps a genuine apology would go a long way, but the character of a person who will act this way under this circumstance is not the character from which such an apology springs. he does not even know what he's done; how can he really mean an apology?

It's disappointing. [B]I experienced better from him in our match[/B].
[/QUOTE]

I have experienced this type of behaviour before (although never in a golfing sense) where you take a guy out of his natural surroundings and he is a decent enough, friendly person as qtong appeared to be in your 1st match (apart from hacking it up, tossing clubs etc). Then you meet them in their own environment where they consider themselves King Dick and you meet the smug, arrogant, self centered fu.cktard that qtong was yesterday.

These types are obviously insecure and looking for friendship & support when away from their home support network but absolutely full of themselves in their own environment.

I know that true gentlemen like yourself and OP would still be the same friendly, gracious characters whether home or away. I think most on here would be. qtong obviously has a huge opinion of himself that is entirely disproportionate to reality.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]He's sent me an apology, I can only assume he's done the same for Pottsy and Dave. To be honest, there was a minute we all almost withdrew due to two really cute girls on the putting green after we finished 9. We unfortunately did not withdraw, we kept playing. Damn it they were cute, and I'm hoping Jason got them on tape.

The whole point was to go off and have fun. We did that. Was it unfortunate that none of our games carried over in travel and that the course wasn't in the greatest condition? Absolutely. Would I do it again? Sure. Maybe pick a course over near Tampa though.

I was disappointed in Dave only once. Him being from Texas, I expected him to be in a cowboy hat, and all I got was a ball cap. That was indeed a let down.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you had a good time, and congrats on the grinding comeback.

I can't accept at text, phone, or email apology. Anything short of a public apology via video will fall short with me.

Phuck' im, at 23 I was already a man making friends that still are friends at my present 44... people that respect me, and I respect them! Men do not abandon their invited guests. Selfish little sheite.
Dave, you are a true gentleman...Golf or no golf.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]LOL. I watched that stupid show. I saw the one where they drove to Carmel to play in the 3-day qualifier. That guy has absolutely no chance of making it on tour. He never broke 80 over 3 rounds and then he quit like a whining little bi.tch after he supposedly aggrivated his hernia. That guy is a complete loser and what a chump for blaming his play on his caddie. Since he lives in those big cement pipes he should practice skate boarding. He probably has more chance of making the X games than the tour.[/QUOTE]
I stomached about 20-30 minutes' worth of that show, two episodes. Something more is going on with that guy than the show reveals. He reminds me of a high level corporate executive or a stock broker who discovered and fell in love with the crack pipe. Please note that the head room in those pipes is insufficient for the average adult male to skateboard. However, they offer great potential for one of the best speed events in the Homeless Olympics-- 360* Street Luge. And, in flash flood season, Belly Boarding.

[quote=The Purist]I'm glad you had a good time, and congrats on the grinding comeback.

I can't accept at text, phone, or email apology. Anything short of a public apology via video will fall short with me.[/quote]

I, for one, agree. And he needs to bring his mother, seat her near the lectern and have her smile, nod and hold kleenex as he apologizes.

Glad you had a good time ceptin for the one glaring fact. Don't know if there is one person, other than he who shall not be named, that I wouldn't enjoy a round of golf with on this site. Even though a 14 cap, its about alot more than just winning. Don't get me wrong, I love to win, but to spend a few hours with friends, on a nice day, sharing a passion for something that is equal amongst us all, to me is a very pleasurable pursuit of contentment and happiness. Doubt if it will ever happen but if anybody gets up to Minnesota, let me know. I can stink up the course with the best of em. Dave, you are truly a man amongst men which shows by your actions and demeanor during and after the match. Hope this doesn't sour the matchs that seem to have sprouted from this fertile pasture of golf fellowship.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]LOL. I watched that stupid show. I saw the one where they drove to Carmel to play in the 3-day qualifier. That guy has absolutely no chance of making it on tour. He never broke 80 over 3 rounds and then he quit like a whining little bi.tch after he supposedly aggrivated his hernia. That guy is a complete loser and what a chump for blaming his play on his caddie. Since he lives in those big cement pipes he should practice skate boarding. He probably has more chance of making the X games than the tour.[/QUOTE]
I saw that same episode. I don't think I'll be watching another episode. Now that I think about it, the QTard similarities are striking.
1.) Bullshite injury/excuse making
2.) blaming others
3.) can't break 80 (or in Qbags case 90)
4.) Delusions of grandeur
5.) would blow a guy for a sandwich.

Hi

I speak here as Mark, not Edgey

I have refrained from joining in as i rarely say anything on this forum that is more than a rant/troll/flame/pisstake. BURNDOG will attest to the fact that i am nothing like the person who i present myself to be here.

As a person who has hosted a GR game at my home club i cannot envisage any circumstance where i would walk off leaving my guest or guests to fend for themselves. This type of behaviour is an anathema to me both as a person and as a golfer. As Spank has alluded to Golf has nothing to do with swinging a club at ball. It is in fact a test of a persons character. We are the only game where we act as the referee and call fouls on ourselves. Integrity is a quality that goes to the heart of this game and it cannot be learned or purchased by the hour. This is why Singh and Monty are still haunted by the cheat allegations, better to lose with integrity than win without when playing golf.

Kiwi and Sooner are correct, i may be a c unt, but i am a c unt who is a gentleman and who undertsands that my integrity is my reputation. I will never be judged by the scores that i put in at my club, only by the way in which i scored them.

Pottsy, if and when you and i play i can assure you that our game will be played in the same way i played BURNDOG. With humour, honour, integrity and gracious good spirit. I can also assure you that no matter how i play i will NEVER walk off a golf course in the middle of a game.

I have ribbed Sooner mercilessly for his 97 and i will no doubt rib Dave for his hackfest but i will always respect the fact they kept going in the knowledge that their integrity was, is and always will be way more important than their pride.

I have no intention of personalising this post as everyone makes mistakes, particularly when they are young and everyone deserves a second chance.

I will now revert to Edgey mode

That is all

Edgey

You know I was just thinking.....This can not reflect well on this guys club. either they are like him or they are ragging on him too if they came on here to see who those guys where that played there Yesterday.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]You know I was just thinking.....This can not reflect well on this guys club. either they are like him or they are ragging on him too if they came on here to see who those guys where that played there Yesterday.[/QUOTE]


We got hit into on 9 by a foursome of old ladies. I was on the first fairway after an awesome block into the wind. I think Dave was joining me over there, and Pottsy was on the left edge. They just played on through like a bunch of old b.itches. I refrained from commenting because they probably didn't see us, and I didn't want to get kicked out for threatening a bunch of old ladies.

Also, there might be a controversial rule infraction that was caught on tape. It'll have to wait though for the video to come out, and I'm sure Dave will include it because we knew you guys would pounce all over it.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]We got hit into on 9 by a foursome of old ladies. I was on the first fairway after an awesome block into the wind. I think Dave was joining me over there, and Pottsy was on the left edge. They just played on through like a bunch of old b.itches. I refrained from commenting because they probably didn't see us, and I didn't want to get kicked out for threatening a bunch of old ladies.

Also, there might be a [COLOR="black"][COLOR="Red"]controversial rule infraction [/COLOR][/COLOR]that was caught on tape. It'll have to wait though for the video to come out, and I'm sure Dave will include it because we knew you guys would pounce all over it.[/QUOTE]
Please expand on this.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Please expand on this.[/QUOTE]

If Dave or Pottsy chime in and say it's ok to say now, you got it. if not, gotta wait for the video!

[quote=Kiwi Player]I have experienced this type of behaviour before (although never in a golfing sense) where you take a guy out of his natural surroundings and he is a decent enough, friendly person as qtong appeared to be in your 1st match (apart from hacking it up, tossing clubs etc). Then you meet them in their own environment where they consider themselves King Dick and you meet the smug, arrogant, self centered fu.cktard that qtong was yesterday.

These types are obviously insecure and looking for friendship & support when away from their home support network but absolutely full of themselves in their own environment.

I know that true gentlemen like yourself and OP would still be the same friendly, gracious characters whether home or away. I think most on here would be. qtong obviously has a huge opinion of himself that is entirely disproportionate to reality.[/quote]

The worst experience I ever had was when I invited a co-worker of mine to my country club in Dallas. I thought we would have a great time but he complained about the course the entire time. He even yelled at the group ahead of us on one of the holes. At one point I found his ball and I asked him "you play Top Flights?". He replied "Yeah, I'm not going to waste good balls on this course". I couldn't believe it. I had paid his guest fee along with all of the meals and beer afterward and the total probably came to around $150. I don't know that he even thanked me after the round.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]The worst experience I ever had was when I invited a co-worker of mine to my country club in Dallas. I thought we would have a great time but he complained about the course the entire time. He even yelled at the group ahead of us on one of the holes. At one point I found his ball and I asked him "you play Top Flights?". He replied "Yeah, I'm not going to waste good balls on this course". I couldn't believe it. I had paid his guest fee along with all of the meals and beer afterward and the total probably came to around $150. I don't know that he even thanked me after the round.[/QUOTE]
FD, when I used to teach I used to say that I can teach almost anyone how to fly, but I can not teach an A$s-hole how not to be an As$-hole! :eek:

[quote=Mward2002]If Dave or Pottsy chime in and say it's ok to say now, you got it. if not, gotta wait for the video![/quote]
The key is in applying your talents towards the set-up. Don't want to build this up, but if you have video there should be quite a palette.

I once invited someone I did business with to my club for a round. It later turned out he was there to find personal information on me to later use in a lawsuit. I eventually gained satisfaction but can't publicly say how.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]The key is in applying your talents towards the set-up. Don't want to build this up, but if you have video there should be quite a palette.

I once invited someone I did business with to my club for a round. It later turned out he was there to find personal information on me to later use in a lawsuit. I eventually gained satisfaction but can't publicly say how.[/QUOTE]
I just hope he can enjoy life with only one testicle. :-)

[QUOTE=Mward2002]If Dave or Pottsy chime in and say it's ok to say now, you got it. if not, gotta wait for the video![/QUOTE]

The decision made definitely affects the final outcome of the match.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]We got hit into on 9 by a foursome of old ladies. I was on the first fairway after an awesome block into the wind. I think Dave was joining me over there, and Pottsy was on the left edge. They just played on through like a bunch of old b.itches. I refrained from commenting because they probably didn't see us, and I didn't want to get kicked out for threatening a bunch of old ladies.

Also, there might be a controversial rule infraction that was caught on tape. It'll have to wait though for the video to come out, and I'm sure Dave will include it because we knew you guys would pounce all over it.[/QUOTE]
The world is a much harsher environment than it was when I was a boy learning to play golf. At my father's club, women and children under 18 could not go off without a club member (only adult males) before noon on weekdays and 2:00 pm on weekends. It was thus decades later at the two private clubs I belonged to in my current metropolitan area.

[quote=mongrel]The world is a much harsher environment than it was when I was a boy learning to play golf. At my father's club, women and children under 18 could not go off without a club member (only adult males) before noon on weekdays and 2:00 pm on weekends. It was thus decades later at the two private clubs I belonged to in my current metropolitan area.[/quote]
While culture and behaviour patterns might be in a free fall, golf is one of the few areas where honor and fellowship are paramount. Kids that grow up taking it seriously typically have a level of maturity and responsibility belying their peers. That's what makes Qtong interesting.

I'd also like to add something that on face could sound mean and vicious but is in fact charitable and compassionate. Qtong has as much chance of becoming a touring pro as a flatlander who's never been on skis has of winning the World Cup. What a complete farce. Someone needs to visit a tournament of his peers who do have a shot and isolate himself from people in his life who are callously and or ignorantly leading him on.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]While culture and behaviour patterns might be in a free fall, golf is one of the few areas where honor and fellowship are paramount. Kids that grow up taking it seriously typically have a level of maturity and responsibility belying their peers. That's what makes Qtong interesting.

I'd also like to add something that on face could sound mean and vicious but is in fact charitable and compassionate. Qtong has as much chance of becoming a touring pro as a flatlander who's never been on skis has of winning the World Cup. What a complete farce. Someone needs to visit a tournament of his peers who do have a shot and isolate himself from people in his life who are callously and or ignorantly leading him on.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, or is it agree....not quite sure. This has nothing to do directly with golf it has to do with being a Dikc. The guy is just a friggin dikchead.

Spank, do you think Elridge had some of these traits as well? At least he could hold his own dark ovals himself with some talent.

[quote=jetdriver]I disagree, or is it agree....not quite sure. This has nothing to do directly with golf it has to do with being a Dikc. The guy is just a friggin dikchead.[/quote]

In one thread I have someone wanting to agree to disagree. In this thread I have someone agreeing and disagreeing with me at the same time.

Didn't we once have either a spammer or a psuedo-spammer show up, get into arguments and call someone the Dick of Dicks? The whole forum went from despising the guy to loving the guy in the space of one post. But he left anyways.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]In one thread I have someone wanting to agree to disagree. In this thread I have someone agreeing and disagreeing with me at the same time.

Didn't we once have either a spammer or a psuedo-spammer show up, get into arguments and call someone the Dick of Dicks? The whole forum went from despising the guy to loving the guy in the space of one post. But he left anyways.[/QUOTE]


Ahhhhhh, the Dick of Dicks thread . . . . . . . . yes, that was a good one. I think we crowned the guy the best spammer we have ever had on this forum. He was entertaining.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]In one thread I have someone wanting to agree to disagree. In this thread I have someone agreeing and disagreeing with me at the same time.

Didn't we once have either a spammer or a psuedo-spammer show up, get into arguments and call someone the Dick of Dicks? The whole forum went from despising the guy to loving the guy in the space of one post. But he left anyways.[/QUOTE]
All I am saying is that the problem is that the guy is a dikC, and that golf just happens to be the manifested medium. What he did was act on a defence mechanism known as taking flight. It has nothing to do with golf. It has all to do with human behavior. He is just a dikc because you do not bail out on your invited guests because you are "uncomfortible" with a personal performance situation or any other stupid reason.

[quote=SoonerBS]Ahhhhhh, the Dick of Dicks thread . . . . . . . . yes, that was a good one. I think we crowned the guy the best spammer we have ever had on this forum. He was entertaining.[/quote]

My memory on it's a little shaky in fact at first I thought I was remembering something one of my non-GR friends said. If there's anything we're missing I'm sure Kiwi can fill us in.

[quote=Mward2002]The decision made definitely affects the final outcome of the match.[/quote]

Since the round is over I would say that any ruling is meaningless. My guess is that it's in regard to an incorrect drop due to a water hazard or unplayable lie. Those things happen all the time and the time to call it is during the match.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]All I am saying is that the problem is that the guy is a dikC, and that golf just happens to be the manifested medium. What he did was act on a defence mechanism known as taking flight. It has nothing to do with golf. It has all to do with human behavior. He is just a dikc because you do not bail out on your invited guests because you are "uncomfortible" with a personal performance situation or any other stupid reason.[/QUOTE]

I've never bailed out on anyone due to a "personal performance" situation. If I ever get close to doing so, it will be time to hit the Cialis. I will not be too proud to use it. Besides, they sponsor the PGA Tour.

[quote=jetdriver]All I am saying is that the problem is that the guy is a dikC, and that golf just happens to be the manifested medium. What he did was act on a defence mechanism known as taking flight. It has nothing to do with golf. It has all to do with human behavior. He is just a dikc because you do not bail out on your invited guests because you are "uncomfortible" with a personal performance situation or any other stupid reason.[/quote]
Um, I know. I was merely exploring the depths of his dickness, so again we agree while disagreeing.

[quote=famousdavis]Since the round is over I would say that any ruling is meaningless. My guess is that it's in regard to an incorrect drop due to a water hazard or unplayable lie. Those things happen all the time and the time to call it is during the match.[/quote]

Stop spoiling this or we might start a Ping Sucks thread.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]In one thread I have someone wanting to agree to disagree. In this thread I have someone agreeing and disagreeing with me at the same time.

Didn't we once have either a spammer or a psuedo-spammer show up, get into arguments and call someone the Dick of Dicks? The whole forum went from despising the guy to loving the guy in the space of one post. But he left anyways.[/QUOTE]
Yes! Kiwi has got to find that thread. It was a hilarious, laugh out loud moment when in broken English this guy called BJDrivers the dick of dick.
Kiwi, I need you to locate another one for me. At one point, I could have sworn Qtong said that he turned down a job or a promotion to work on his golf game. I remember thinking about posting, "What in the fukk are you thinking?!" but I didn't have the heart. Did I dream this, or did he really say something to that effect?

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Spank, do you think Elridge had some of these traits as well? At least he could hold his own dark ovals himself with some talent.[/QUOTE]
Mongrel, hot Spank. Sorry to butt into your circuit by Elrick had a Commando monster of an old man who pushed him every step of the way in his golf like and you can bet your thrust reversers that Earl would not have put up with any of that crap behavior. I don't care what your background or upbringing is, if you're well-raised, you'll act accordingly unless you have a breakdown or are on drugs.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Um, I know. I was merely exploring the depths of his dickness, so again we agree while disagreeing.[/QUOTE]
I agree that we agree, and please feel free to continue exploring his dikcness depth.
Remember to wash your hands when returning to the Cocina.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Yes! Kiwi has got to find that thread. It was a hilarious, laugh out loud moment when in broken English this guy called BJDrivers the dick of dick.
Kiwi, I need you to locate another one for me. At one point, I could have sworn Qtong said that he turned down a job or a promotion to work on his golf game. I remember thinking about posting, "What in the fukk are you thinking?!" but I didn't have the heart. Did I dream this, or did he really say something to that effect?[/QUOTE]

I thought that's why he moved from Indiana to Florida?

As for the rules infraction, on the 7th or 8th hole, I pulled my coin away and the ball shifted backwards ala very similar to what happened to Padraig Harrington except I noticed it without needing slo mo replay. I said something vulgar and informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved when I pulled my coin. I replaced it, but they said don't worry about a penalty, since we didn't know if it would have been a penalty since the ball moved further away from the hole and not towards it. I made the putt, but if it was a legit one stroke penalty, I would have lost by 1.

[QUOTE=mongrel]Mongrel, hot Spank. Sorry to butt into your circuit by Elrick had a Commando monster of an old man who pushed him every step of the way in his golf like and you can bet your thrust reversers that Earl would not have put up with any of that crap behavior. I don't care what your background or upbringing is, if you're well-raised, you'll act accordingly unless you have a breakdown or are on drugs.[/QUOTE]
I believe you are on the mark there!

[quote=SoonerBS]I've never bailed out on anyone due to a "personal performance" situation. If I ever get close to doing so, it will be time to hit the Cialis. I will not be too proud to use it. Besides, they sponsor the PGA Tour.[/quote]

If I had to I'd use Cialis but there's no way I'm dragging two iron bathtubs filled with water out to the middle of the forest.

Possible comments from the three remaining players to Qtong's exit on the 6th hole:

1. "He must have run out of tees"
2. "Is the 7th tee box through that forest?"
3. "Gone for just a few seconds and I miss him already"
4. "I'm not sure if he said "I quit" or "I gotta sh.it"
5. "I told you not to wear those shorts Pottsy"

[quote=Mward2002]I thought that's why he moved from Indiana to Florida?

As for the rules infraction, on the 7th or 8th hole, I pulled my coin away and the ball shifted backwards ala very similar to what happened to Padraig Harrington except I noticed it without needing slo mo replay. I said something vulgar and informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved when I pulled my coin. I replaced it, but they said don't worry about a penalty, since we didn't know if it would have been a penalty since the ball moved further away from the hole and not towards it. I made the putt, but if it was a legit one stroke penalty, I would have lost by 1.[/quote]

Yes, you would have incurred a penalty. You were supposed to play the ball from where it moved to. Since you didn't address the ball there's no penalty for it moving but you weren't supposed to move it back to it's original position after it moved.

[quote=Mward2002]I thought that's why he moved from Indiana to Florida?

As for the rules infraction, on the 7th or 8th hole, I pulled my coin away and the ball shifted backwards ala very similar to what happened to Padraig Harrington except I noticed it without needing slo mo replay. I said something vulgar and informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved when I pulled my coin. I replaced it, but they said don't worry about a penalty, since we didn't know if it would have been a penalty since the ball moved further away from the hole and not towards it. I made the putt, but if it was a legit one stroke penalty, I would have lost by 1.[/quote]

If you hadn't addressed the ball, you're in the clear. But to be safe we'll review the video replay and confirm this.

[quote=famousdavis]Yes, you would have incurred a penalty. You were supposed to play the ball from where it moved to. Since you didn't address the ball there's no penalty for it moving but you weren't supposed to move it back to it's original position after it moved.[/quote]

Not if the movement took place after he put his coin down, unless he could no longer get it to stay.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Yes, you would have incurred a penalty. You were supposed to play the ball from where it moved to. Since you didn't address the ball there's no penalty for it moving but you weren't supposed to move it back to it's original position after it moved.[/QUOTE]
If this had been disclosed on the thread during play perhaps a ruling could have been reached....now it is too late to change the outcome since the ruling was done among the players on site real time-right or wrong..... I think.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Yes, you would have incurred a penalty. You were supposed to play the ball from where it moved to. Since you didn't address the ball there's no penalty for it moving but you weren't supposed to move it back to it's original position after it moved.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Now to sound kinda wishy-washy, I don't 100% remember if I moved it back or not. When it happened, I told them it moved and they said don't worry about it, just play it. I bent down, re-marked it to realign it, then putted. I just don't remember if I re-rotated the ball forward first before realigning or not.

If Dave or Pottsy remember, that would be a help.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Possible comments from the three remaining players to Qtong's exit on the 6th hole:

1. "He must have run out of tees"
2. "Is the 7th tee box through that forest?"
3. "Gone for just a few seconds and I miss him already"
4. "I'm not sure if he said "I quit" or "I gotta sh.it"
5. "I told you not to wear those shorts Pottsy"[/QUOTE]

6. He no have good time.

[quote=Mward2002]Fair enough. Now to sound kinda wishy-washy, I don't 100% remember if I moved it back or not. When it happened, I told them it moved and they said don't worry about it, just play it. I bent down, re-marked it to realign it, then putted. I just don't remember if I re-rotated the ball forward first before realigning or not.

If Dave or Pottsy remember, that would be a help.[/quote]

Other players cannot waive the rules of golf. I hope you moved it back.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Other players cannot waive the rules of golf. I hope you moved it back.[/QUOTE]

Well there in lies the problem. If I moved it back, it's a penalty. If I didn't, I'm in the clear.

We didn't know offhand if it was a penalty or not for the ball moving backwards and if so, what the reprocussions were. Thus the reason they said don't worry about it, just play it. Well we all now have a reason to watch the video.

Edit: Accidentally hit submit mid thought.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]Not if the movement took place after he put his coin down, unless he could no longer get it to stay.[/quote]

He said that it moved after he pulled his coin away. That means that he has to play it from where it comes to rest.

[quote=famousdavis]He said that it moved after he pulled his coin away. That means that he has to play it from where it comes to rest.[/quote]

Once it's marked he has to replace it to it's original position, no matter whether the coins been pulled.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Once it's marked he has to replace it to it's original position, no matter whether the coins been pulled.[/QUOTE]

Dave's got the video. Dave, if you get bored, care to chime in?

Sorry for the rules snafu, swear it wasn't on purpose!

Glad to hear that you guys had fun, does not matter what the scores are, Who gives a F, too bad that Qtong did not stay till the end... I don't know what the situation is and I don't care... maybe big Dave farts too much on the first T :) :) :)

[QUOTE=Pky6471]Glad to hear that you guys had fun, does not matter what the scores are, Who gives a F, too bad that Qtong did not stay till the end... I don't know what the situation is and I don't care... maybe big Dave farts too much on the first T :) :) :)[/QUOTE]
I agree who gives a F. Everybody said just play it. .....Like an inch matters.......I guess it depends on the original size.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]Dave's got the video. Dave, if you get bored, care to chime in?

Sorry for the rules snafu, swear it wasn't on purpose![/QUOTE]
Haven't reviewed vid. No comment. Carry on. Preferably in a Scottish accent.

Attention GR-- the scottish accent of mward2002 makes mine sound like mike myers on dope. It is really really good. I believe its on video as well. You will paint yourselves blue when you hear it.

Dave, it should be. We all started talking stupid on 11 or 12 haha

Some suggestions for the title of the video:

The Good, the Bad and the Rude

Flaker Vance

Three Men and a Baby

Caddyshack III - Wang's Tantrum

How Not to Win Friends and Influence People

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Some suggestions for the title of the video:

The Good, the Bad and the Rude

Flaker Vance

Three Men and a Baby

Caddyshack III - Wang's Tantrum

How Not to Win Friends and Influence People[/QUOTE]
Crabby Shack

Unhappy Gilmore

Bogie Nights

Seven Habits of Highly Ineffective People

25 Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Six Double Bogies then Separation

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]Crabby Shack

Unhappy Gilmore

Bogie Nights

Seven Habits of Highly Ineffective People

25 Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Six Double Bogies then Separation[/QUOTE]

In honor of my game departing--

"bye bye birdies"

Because I am twice the size of the other guys--

"body double bogey"

And because I look just like the president--

"Dave"

[quote=Home-slicer]Crabby Shack

Unhappy Gilmore

Bogie Nights

Seven Habits of Highly Ineffective People

25 Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Six Double Bogies then Separation[/quote]

ROFL...some other suggestions:

Clouse Encounters of the Quitting Kind

No Country for Brooding Men

The Sixth NonSense

The Greatest Game Never Played

Terms of Abandonment

The Wrong Stuff

Always Back Down

Quitacus

Qtong Poppins

A Star Isn't Born

Funny Girl

Fun With Dick and Dave

Alice in Floridaland

A.I. Artificial Intelligence

Blade Runner

The Sixth Senseless

Fairy Tale: A True Story

Brokeback Qtong

True Gritless

Gone in 600 Seconds

The Bad Shepherd

Citizen Lame

The Departed

A Few Good Men and One Not So Good

Ok, dinner's ready.

Gone with no win.
Forest gone.
Lion Qing
Qzilla

"Swing Blade"

"Hook". (peter pan, robin williams and dustin hoff- aw, never mind)

"Balls of Fury"

"Swing Blade"

"Hook". (peter pan, robin williams and dustin hoff- aw, never mind)

"Balls of Fury"

How the he11 does it double post? If you TRY to, it does not permit it. Sigh.

The Departed.

Rush Hour.

[quote=Mward2002]The Departed.

Rush Hour.[/quote]

Some background music to play during the 6th hole walkoff:

Baby come back (Player)

Lonesome Loser (Little River Band)

All By Myself (Eric Carmen)

She's Gone (Hall & Oats)

Don't give up on us baby (David Soul)

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Some background music to play during the 6th hole walkoff:

Baby come back (Player)

Lonesome Loser (Little River Band)

All By Myself (Eric Carmen)

She's Gone (Hall & Oats)

Don't give up on us baby (David Soul)[/QUOTE]

That's funny you mentioned that. I asked the camera guy if he got footage of Qtong carrying his bag away from us and he did. I put in a request for a song that Dave and the camera man knew the reference and laughed. I think it may trump your otherwise excellent song selections.

Walking in Memphis

Further suggestions:

Born to Run (B. Springsteen)

Stop Your Sobbing (Pretenders)

Finish What You Started (Van Halen)

Since You're Gone (The Cars)

B.itch (Rolling Stones)

Speaking of the Rolling Stones:
19th nervous breakdown
You can't always get what you want
Wild horses
Get off of my cloud
Fool to cry

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Some background music to play during the 6th hole walkoff:

Baby come back (Player)

Lonesome Loser (Little River Band)

All By Myself (Eric Carmen)

She's Gone (Hall & Oats)

[B]Don't give up on us baby (David Soul)[/B][/QUOTE]


Your "man card" has been officially revoked upon proof that you remembered this song by David Soul and were willing to post it for any reference. If we do not put a stop to this now, the next thing we know you will be posting Leo Sayer song lyrics.

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]In about 30 years, TGC will be airing "Pipe Dream 2 : a homless Asian man's struggle to make it on the Champions Tour."[/QUOTE]
Qtang thinking he can make the tour is the golfing equivalent of that Asian guy who sang 'She Bangs' thinking he was going to be the next American Idol.

It must be a Chinese thing.

Some more background music

Run like Hell by Pink Floyd
Loser by Beck
Can't Stand Losing by The Police
Coward of the County, Kenny Rogers
Every woman in the world, Air Supply
Pretty Fly for White (yellow) guy, Offspring
Devil Woman, Cliff Richard or a different song of the same name by Ringo Starr.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Speaking of the Rolling Stones:
19th nervous breakdown
You can't always get what you want
Wild horses
Get off of my cloud
Fool to cry[/QUOTE]
Sympathy for the Devil
Satisfaction
One hit to the body

[QUOTE=famousdavis]He said that it moved after he pulled his coin away. That means that he has to play it from where it comes to rest.[/QUOTE]
The rule is simple. If the player moves the ball it has to be replaced with a penalty. If the ball moves by outside agency it is played from where it comes to rest with no penalty.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Sympathy for the Devil
Satisfaction
One hit to the body[/QUOTE]
Man!!! how could I have missed that #one and two?????!!!!!!!!

[quote=SoonerBS]Your "man card" has been officially revoked upon proof that you remembered this song by David Soul and were willing to post it for any reference. If we do not put a stop to this now, the next thing we know you will be posting Leo Sayer song lyrics.[/quote]

Sooner, I had posted this song during your last loss to Dave Perkins. I'm surprised you didn't see it because it had a link to the video. My man card will never be revoked.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]The rule is simple. If the player moves the ball it has to be replaced with a penalty. If the ball moves by outside agency it is played from where it comes to rest with no penalty.[/QUOTE]

The exception to the first part is if he is marking a ball or placing a ball that was marked. If you accidentally move the ball while marking or placing the ball there's no penalty. The ball just has to be replaced.

The second statement would be if the ball was in motion and affected by an outside agency. If it's at rest, them moved it's replaced. Like when a ball is struck by another.

I think FD is correct. If the ball is replaced and is at rest, and then starts to move; you play it as it lies. Obviously if the player grounds the club it's a different story. The ball also has to be at rest before it starts moving. This is the tricky part. Was it every really at rest before it started moving?

[I]USGA Rule
20-3. Placing and Replacing
d. Ball Fails to Come to Rest on Spot

If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced. If it still fails to come to rest on that spot:

(i) except in a hazard, it must be placed at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole and not in a hazard;

(ii) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole.

If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.[/I]

[quote=poe4soul]The exception to the first part is if he is marking a ball or placing a ball that was marked. If you accidentally move the ball while marking or placing the ball there's no penalty. The ball just has to be replaced.

The second statement would be if the ball was in motion and affected by an outside agency. If it's at rest, them moved it's replaced. Like when a ball is struck by another.

I think FD is correct. If the ball is replaced and is at rest, and then starts to move; you play it as it lies. Obviously if the player grounds the club it's a different story. The ball also has to be at rest before it starts moving. This is the tricky part. Was it every really at rest before it started moving?

[I]USGA Rule
20-3. Placing and Replacing
d. Ball Fails to Come to Rest on Spot

If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced. If it still fails to come to rest on that spot:

(i) except in a hazard, it must be placed at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole and not in a hazard;

(ii) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole.

If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.[/I][/quote]

Thanks for providing the rule. The key point here may be whether MW's ball came to rest when placed. If it moved when MW let go of it or when he pulled the coin away, which is what he seemed to describe, it should have been replaced. If however the ball stayed where he put it after removing the mark, and then it subsequently moved, it was played properly, that is where it then lay.

[quote=poe4soul]The exception to the first part is if he is marking a ball or placing a ball that was marked. If you accidentally move the ball while marking or placing the ball there's no penalty. The ball just has to be replaced.

The second statement would be if the ball was in motion and affected by an outside agency. If it's at rest, them moved it's replaced. Like when a ball is struck by another.

I think FD is correct. If the ball is replaced and is at rest, and then starts to move; you play it as it lies. Obviously if the player grounds the club it's a different story. The ball also has to be at rest before it starts moving. This is the tricky part. Was it every really at rest before it started moving?

[I]USGA Rule[/I]
[I]20-3. Placing and Replacing[/I]
[I]d. Ball Fails to Come to Rest on Spot[/I]

[I]If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced. If it still fails to come to rest on that spot:[/I]

[I](i) except in a hazard, it must be placed at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole and not in a hazard;[/I]

[I](ii) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole. [/I]

[I]If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.[/I][/quote]

Thank you. The last rule in your post was what I was debating with Lorenzo. I couldn't find the rule myself so thanks for providing it.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Thank you. The last rule in your post was what I was debating with Lorenzo. I couldn't find the rule myself so thanks for providing it.[/QUOTE]

Your welcome guys. You know it's my goal to be kind, considerate, and help whenever possible. I'm just misunderstood around here.

[quote=Mward2002]I thought that's why he moved from Indiana to Florida?

As for the rules infraction, on the 7th or 8th hole, [B]I pulled my coin away and the ball shifted backwards[/B] ala very similar to what happened to Padraig Harrington except I noticed it without needing slo mo replay. I said something vulgar and informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved when I pulled my coin. I replaced it, but they said don't worry about a penalty, since we didn't know if it would have been a penalty since the ball moved further away from the hole and not towards it. I made the putt, but if it was a legit one stroke penalty, I would have lost by 1.[/quote]

From the rule: [I]

If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced.[/I]

A ball is not placed until the coin is pulled.

Rule plus facts supports my position, FD.

A concession gift would be nice. I like good wine.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]From the rule:

[I]If a ball when placed fails to come to rest on the spot on which it was placed, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced.[/I]

A ball is not placed until the coin is pulled.

Rule plus facts supports my position, FD.

A concession gift would be nice. I like good wine.[/quote]

[I]If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.[/I]

This is the rule we are talking about. A person marks his ball and picks it up. When he's ready to putt, he places his ball down and then picks up his mark. Prior to taking his stance and addressing it, the ball starts to move. He must play the ball from it's new location where it moved to.

Looks like you need to buy the gift.

How dare you guys ruin this historic thread with talk about golf. Please start ripping on Qtong again ASAP. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=famousdavis][I]If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.[/I]

This is the rule we are talking about. A person marks his ball and picks it up. When he's ready to putt, he places his ball down and then picks up his mark. Prior to taking his stance and addressing it, the ball starts to move. He must play the ball from it's new location where it moved to.

Looks like you need to buy the gift.[/QUOTE]

I agree under your facts but those aren't the facts he was describing. He said his ball moved when he pulled the coin away. If you send me Merlot I'm not drinking it.

Golf rule Sticklers! .....now where are my shovels and that gutstick oh there it is.... next to the 460cc fish bowl.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Golf rule Sticklers! .....[/QUOTE]
In any form of media, controversy is good business.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]I agree under your facts but those aren't the facts he was describing. He said his ball moved when he pulled the coin away. If you send me Merlot I'm not drinking it.[/quote]

We were debating the ruling and you were wrong the first time. Takes a man to admit he's wrong. The world is watching. Don't screw this up.

[QUOTE=Pky6471]Glad to hear that you guys had fun, does not matter what the scores are, Who gives a F, too bad that Qtong did not stay till the end... I don't know what the situation is and I don't care... maybe big Dave farts too much on the first T :) :) :)[/QUOTE]

Judging by my performance, clearly I did not fart ENOUGH.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]We were debating the ruling and you were wrong the first time. Takes a man to admit he's wrong. The world is watching. Don't screw this up.[/QUOTE]
First time = last time = only time. One set of facts. You can't admit defeat? If I were wrong, in fact if I am here, I'll admit it. I'm not going to end up like Qtong, FDtong.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]Judging by my performance, clearly I did not fart ENOUGH.[/QUOTE]
You just failed to load the #2 accumulator. It could have been much worse.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]The key point here may be whether MW's ball came to rest when placed. If it moved when MW let go of it or when he pulled the coin away, which is what he seemed to describe, it should have been replaced. If however the ball stayed where he put it after removing the mark, and then it subsequently moved, it was played properly, that is where it then lay.QUOTE]

I put the ball down in front of the coin with the alignment arrows pointing at my intended line, and as I picked up the coin, the ball immediately shifted backwards (It moved about as much as if you put a ball on your floor carpet and pushed down just enough to make it rock back, and then you immediately stopped pushing any harder. That litlte, but it still moved) Unfortunately neither one of them saw it. I informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved, and then marked the ball again to re-aim it. The big question that I can't remember though, is did I move it forward back to its original position first, or play it from its new position. It didn't help that I couldn't remember what you're supposed to do, and neither did Dave or Pottsy.

[QUOTE=Mward2002]I put the ball down in front of the coin with the alignment arrows pointing at my intended line, and as I picked up the coin, the ball immediately shifted backwards (It moved about as much as if you put a ball on your floor carpet and pushed down just enough to make it rock back, and then you immediately stopped pushing any harder. That litlte, but it still moved) Unfortunately neither one of them saw it. I informed Dave and Pottsy that my ball had moved, and then marked the ball again to re-aim it. The big question that I can't remember though, is did I move it forward back to its original position first, or play it from its new position. It didn't help that I couldn't remember what you're supposed to do, and neither did Dave or Pottsy.[/QUOTE]

If you initially removed the marker, watched the ball move, told the guys, [B]then re-marked the ball without replacing it back in the original position[/B], then removed the marker a second time and putted out - you did nothing against the rules.

If however you removed the marker, the ball moved, you told the guys, [B]you replaced it to its original position[/B], THEN re-marked it, aligned it, removed the marker, and putted out - you would be in violation of the rules.

This all depends upon whether you played the ball from the new position where it came to rest, or whether you placed it back into the original position after it moved. So long as you played it from the new position, you're all good.



FON

[QUOTE=jetdriver]You just failed to load the #2 accumulator. It could have been much worse.[/QUOTE]
I think the farts were obstructed by too MUCH accumulated #2.. But i am neither a physicist nor an internist, and am only guessing.

[QUOTE=daveperkins]I think the farts were obstructed by too MUCH accumulated #2.. But i am neither a physicist nor an internist, and am only guessing.[/QUOTE]


Ahhh, the dreaded overloading of the #2 accumulator.

You can blame breakfast at Denny's for that.

Nothing worse than prairie dogging for 18 holes. :p :D :p :eek:

;)



FON

I've been waiting and waiting, surely Q walking off is a joke???? I cannot believe that this would happen unless he has some disease where he is much younger than he looks? Christ Almighty, next time someone says "Thats as low as shark Sh.it", tell 'em "then that would make it Qturd"! What really worries me is that a proportion of his generation will fall into some important positions some day, and we will probably be to old to give the the selfcentred egotistical little shiats the belting they deserve.
Any of you ever make it to Tas for a game, i won't promise great golf on my behalf but by god you will go home with well eaten, well drank and bloody well entertained!

[QUOTE=rooboy]I've been waiting and waiting, surely Q walking off is a joke???[/QUOTE]
I think it crossed everyones' mind. It woud be the greatest GR troll of all time. I think Dave would get most of the credit, though, because his response is what sold me.