Saturday Morning in Del Mar

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261347]I guess everyone has a line they don't cross in their pursuit (be it pusssy, wealth, etc.). You are willing to look past elipticals whereas I will not. What about Zumba? Jazzercise? Those clearly would allow you to look at the pusssy you so adore.
The problem with elipticals and its slightly more gay relatives zumba and jazzercise, is that pusssy is likely to quickly dismiss its participants as "playing for the other team." While this isn't true in all cases, it's a strike against you and first impressions are hard to shake.
It's wise of you to quietly perform your elliptical in the privacy of your home. Just make sure you can easily hide it in the closet.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

I bet next we will see Zo doing this exercise to get more of whatever he calls ladies...


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[QUOTE=Not a hacker;261416]My point was Ali was supremely fit and trained hard but couldn't get the ripped muscle of Norton. Larry Holmes didn't have an impressive physique because he probably didn't juice either. I've read stuff about Norton almost making it as a pro footballer before turning to boxing, so he had an early grounding in roids before going into boxing. [B]The worst case of roiding in boxing I can remember is the transofrmation of Holyfield for hs first fight with Tyson. Holyfield was always a pumped up light heavy, but for the Tyson fight he was unrecogniseable from the guy we had seen previously. He made huge muscle mass gains in a short period of time and actually made Tyson look soft and small[/B], which had never happened before as he has been a roid head from way back too. I'm pretty sure it's an open secret in the industry Holyfeld is a big steroid user and has been for a long time, but for the first Tyson fight he was particularly juiced.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. The transformation in Holyfield happened between the first and second fight with Riddick Bowe. In the first fight Holyfield was outweighed by 20-30lbs and was battered from pillar to post by a much larger opponent. For the rematch Holyfield had packed on 10-15lbs of muscle and showed improved punching power and was able to drop Bowe in that fight on his way to a solid decision win. Admittedly Bowe was a fat lazy POS and with his physical advantages should probably still have beaten Holyfield if he'd trained as hard as he had for the first fight.

By the time Holyfield faced Tyson he was already well and truly bulked up from the lightweight dude that knocked out Buster Douglas. After facing the gargantuan Bowe 3 times it must have been a pleasure for Holyfield to be facing a shorter opponent like Tyson.

Look how light Holyfield looks vs Buster Douglas

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He still looks equally lightweight vs Bowe in the 1st fight and is getting hammered by his much larger opponent

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In the rematch Holyfield has bulked up and is able to trade blows on even terms with the much larger Bowe

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You may be correct about the timing but my point was that at some stage of his career Holyfield bulked up from roids. If you want to see a great heavyweight slugfest watch tthe bowe v golota fights. Both classics, and the low blows were magnificent. Icing on the cake. Golota is one of the all time dirty fighters.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;261427]You may be correct about the timing but my point was that at some stage of his career Holyfield bulked up from roids. [B]If you want to see a great heavyweight slugfest watch tthe bowe v golota fights. Both classics, and the low blows were magnificent. Icing on the cake. Golota is one of the all time dirty fighters.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah I watched both those fights. Memories of the low blows still make the eyes water! :eek:

Golota wasn't quite so successful vs Lennox Lewis. Lewis must have seen the Bowe fights and wanted to get Golota out of there ASAP before Golota could land his trademark uppercuts south of the border. :D

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261428]Yeah I watched both those fights. Memories of the low blows still make the eyes water! :eek:

Golota wasn't quite so successful vs Lennox Lewis. Lewis must have seen the Bowe fights and wanted to get Golota out of there ASAP before Golota could land his trademark uppercuts south of the border. :D[/QUOTE]
The riot afterwards was as good as the fight first time.
Golota could actually box back then. Those Golota fights took a lot out of Bowe. HThem and the holyfield fights ruined his career and long term health.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261428]Yeah I watched both those fights. Memories of the low blows still make the eyes water! :eek:

Golota wasn't quite so successful vs Lennox Lewis. Lewis must have seen the Bowe fights and wanted to get Golota out of there ASAP before Golota could land his trademark uppercuts south of the border. :D[/QUOTE]
If i remember back to my muscle and fitness days, i think Holyfield was trained by or trained with Lee Haney who was mr olympia many times over. Maybe Spank can remember when Joe Weider tried to introduce REAL drug free competition, the competitors basically turned into jelly babies compared to how they had looked before and within a year the policy was forgotten about to get the crowds back. Any boxer training with bodybuilders back them would have had a
reasonable chance of being on something artificial.

[QUOTE=rooboy;261430]If i remember back to my muscle and fitness days, i think Holyfield was trained by or trained with Lee Haney who was mr olympia many times over. Maybe Spank can remember when Joe Weider tried to introduce REAL drug free competition, the competitors basically turned into jelly babies compared to how they had looked before and within a year the policy was forgotten about to get the crowds back. Any boxer training with bodybuilders back them would have had a
reasonable chance of being on something artificial.[/QUOTE]

Holyfield definitely did a lot of weight training, almost like body building, which was unusual for boxers. I wouldn't be surprised if he was using roids but still like to think that Hagler was natural. Weight training was not a big part of boxing training back then. Might be now but definitely not in those days.

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie;261419]Exactly!

I bet next we will see Zo doing this exercise to get more of whatever he calls ladies...


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That's brilliant Spank. Fred3 is already a devotee of the Tug Toner and I can see Larry & Alan doing the partner workout.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;261357]Are you sure about that? Maybe I'll post a photo in a few weeks and you'll see how close I resemble that physique. I don't philosophize about exercising and eating healthy, I actually do it.[/QUOTE]

Fd even though it's 6 degrees out, I have a indoor trainer I mount my mountain bike on in the winter for cardio workouts. I have a indoor pool, I do laps in, and sauna I use several times a week for getting the mud vein out, and I believe swimming is one of the best workouts you can get. My eating habits were my downfall, which were have changed drastically in the last few months.
My job is at times very physical, especially since I fired 2 guys last week, and I'm training a new guy this week, mounting and balancing tires is a very physical upper body workout. Doing kingpins on a semi truck is physical, some alignments on automobiles is very physical. My total of sitting behind a desk constitute about an hour a hour.
These morons buying buying training devices, that get put in the garage, and end up in a yard sale watch to many infomercials. Even though I'm 5,9 I strike fear in most people and they don't want to f.uk with me including the n6,4, 24 year old built like linebacker I fired last week.
One customer of 5 years came in yesterday a union blocklayer working at Notredame needs no workout routine, as I've seen him throw 2 80 pound bags of concrete on his shoulders, and walk out of the store.

[QUOTE=rooboy;261430]If i remember back to my muscle and fitness days, i think Holyfield was trained by or trained with Lee Haney who was mr olympia many times over. Maybe Spank can remember when Joe Weider tried to introduce REAL drug free competition, the competitors basically turned into jelly babies compared to how they had looked before and within a year the policy was forgotten about to get the crowds back. Any boxer training with bodybuilders back them would have had a
reasonable chance of being on something artificial.[/QUOTE]

Reasonable chance meaning 100%. Even baseball players were doing it, do you think boxers weren't? Steroids and later HGH were as accepted as bottled water is today. Seriously, how stupid is bottled water?

I know firsthand they were also well immersed in competitive skiing. It may not be talked about but virtually the entire athletic world was doing PED-s. I know that may threaten the glorified view of things but that's the way it was.

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie;261418]Son, are you serious? An elliptical? Serious?

Real talk son: No man does an elliptical... And to think I loved you.

That is just about as gay as this workout (scroll to about 3 minutes to see it):

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Spank, where do you find these things?

Look you may be disappointed in me but think how I feel. My life's mission is to push the heterosexual envelope yet now I find out I'm gay because I use an elliptical. That said, since I'd like to still be banging babes when I'm 60 and I'm kind of lazy for someone who works out seriously, I use an elliptical today.

I've done pretty much everything and I'm here to say for many reasons ellipticals are the best. If that makes me gay then hello sailor.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261444]Spank, where do you find these things?

Look you may be disappointed in me but think how I feel. My life's mission is to push the heterosexual envelope yet now I find out I'm gay because I use an elliptical. That said, since I'd like to still be banging babes when I'm 60 and I'm kind of lazy for someone who works out seriously, I use an elliptical today.

I've done pretty much everything and I'm here to say for many reasons ellipticals are the best. If that makes me gay then hello sailor.[/QUOTE]

So your saying that even this guy did roids. That's hard to believe.

I'm a west coaster and live in Portland which is probably almost as gay as SF. So, I'm sure my voice doesn't count but ellipticals are fine. But I'll stick to my original line of thought. The more you can mix up your aerobic the better off you are. Spread it around and you won't wear shiat out as fast...

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261422]Look how light Holyfield looks vs Buster Douglas

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He still looks equally lightweight vs Bowe in the 1st fight and is getting hammered by his much larger opponent

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I thought you might like this one. Skip to 1:20 and enjoy...

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[QUOTE=12sandwich;261438]Fd even though it's 6 degrees out, I have a indoor trainer I mount my mountain bike on in the winter for cardio workouts. I have a indoor pool, I do laps in, and sauna I use several times a week for getting the mud vein out, and I believe swimming is one of the best workouts you can get. My eating habits were my downfall, which were have changed drastically in the last few months.
My job is at times very physical, especially since I fired 2 guys last week, and I'm training a new guy this week, mounting and balancing tires is a very physical upper body workout. Doing kingpins on a semi truck is physical, some alignments on automobiles is very physical. My total of sitting behind a desk constitute about an hour a hour.
These morons buying buying training devices, that get put in the garage, and end up in a yard sale watch to many infomercials. Even though I'm 5,9 I strike fear in most people and they don't want to f.uk with me including the n6,4, 24 year old built like linebacker I fired last week.
One customer of 5 years came in yesterday a union blocklayer working at Notredame needs no workout routine, as I've seen him throw 2 80 pound bags of concrete on his shoulders, and walk out of the store.[/QUOTE]

There was a guy in my dorm room who was about 5-11, 170 pounds and never lifted weights. He was a gifted athlete and you would be insane trying to fight him, even though he never trained to fight. This guy was just tough. One time we were playing tackle football and I tried to block him and within a millisecond he shifted to the side and literally threw me to the ground. This guy was the most naturally strong person I've ever met. However, the most impressive thing about him was arm wrestling. The biggest guys who lifted weights could not beat him. I tried arm wrestling him once and it was like trying to push against a cement wall. Some people are just naturally strong and tough.

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261454] but ellipticals are fine...[/QUOTE]


You are gay too? I had no idea!


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[QUOTE=famousdavis;261458]There was a guy in my dorm room who was about 5-11, 170 pounds and never lifted weights. He was a gifted athlete and you would be insane trying to fight him, even though he never trained to fight. This guy was just tough. One time we were playing tackle football and I tried to block him and within a millisecond he shifted to the side and literally threw me to the ground. This guy was the most naturally strong person I've ever met. However, the most impressive thing about him was arm wrestling. The biggest guys who lifted weights could not beat him. I tried arm wrestling him once and it was like trying to push against a cement wall. Some people are just naturally strong and tough.[/QUOTE]

I knew a guy like that. He was a freak. Not only strong for his size but a big guy too. He could pick me up with one hand using only arm strength. The secret to those guys is their hand and forearm strength. Plenty of guys have huge upper bodies, but your functional power is limited by your weakest part, which is usually the grip. The strongest guys you will meet will be the onees with good grip strength. Everything else flows from that.

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie;261459]You are gay too? I had no idea!
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I personally wouldn't use one but if Zo is into it, fine. You really have to cut him some slack; he does live in SoCal.

I'm more of a body weight guy. The only exercise machine I own is a water rower. Rowing is probably one of the best full body exercises you can do. Most workout machines end up in the basement or the garage with shiat pilled on or hanging from it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1YD0vfnlT8&feature=youtu.be[/url]

Can we get back to golf? This was this afternoon. Still working to perfect my swing. Turn, SHIFT, swing. You know you shifted correctly when the shaft appears aligned with your dominant forearm.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261468][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1YD0vfnlT8&feature=youtu.be[/url]

Can we get back to golf?[/quote]

When has this ever really been about golf to you, Larry? Isn't what you really mean "Can we please get back to focussing on ME?!?"

;)

[quote]This was this afternoon. Still working to perfect my swing. Turn, SHIFT, swing. You know you shifted correctly when the shaft appears aligned with your dominant forearm.[/QUOTE]

Whether or not (and when) the shaft appears aligned with your dominant forearm is completely dependent upon where the camera is located. You're bragging about it, but if it were for the fact that the camera is locate well to the left of the target line—a definitely non-standard position—the club shaft would appear to be in a totally different relationship to your forearm, sorry.

However, in any case, the shift has nothing to do with it. You can shift as early and as much as you want, and you can still come over the top.

But despite your misconceptions about what is going on and why, it's not horrid. But it's completely different than the "take it up vertically and then lay it off" swing you were advocating as perfection just a few days ago, isn't it?

:)

[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261468][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1YD0vfnlT8&feature=youtu.be[/url]

Can we get back to golf? [/QUOTE]

No. I stole this thread and it is mine now.

Go start another thread and don't post in this thread again you retard...

Everybody but Lary can post in this thread now.

Let's get back on topic.

Ellipticals are gay.


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[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261471]What an idiot! An unemployed bum who can't afford either to join a golf club or to pay for lessons gives his opinion on a golf swing! Chutzpah (he can google it).

But our resident nutcase lurks here and harasses us with posts that nobody reads-- why doesn't he migrate to the DBs about skiing? Well, I know. They have so viciously rejected him that he turned tail and ran! So since golfers are polite, since we remain silent in the presence of a moron, he posts here.

Shameless, but of course you would need to be at least minimally intelligent to have shame.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Ok we posted at the same time, so I will give you another chance.

I stole this thread and I own this thread.

Go start another one because this is my thread now retard.

This thread is NOT about golf anymore.

Go away @sshole.

spank

What an idiot! An unemployed bum who can't afford either to join a golf club or to pay for lessons gives his opinion on a golf swing! Chutzpah (he can google it).

But our resident nutcase lurks here and harasses us with posts that nobody reads-- why doesn't he migrate to the DBs about skiing? Well, I know. They have so viciously rejected him that he turned tail and ran! So since golfers are polite, since we remain silent in the presence of a moron, he posts here.

Shameless, but of course you would need to be at least minimally intelligent to have shame.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261471]What an idiot! An unemployed bum who can't afford either to join a golf club or to pay for lessons gives his opinion on a golf swing! Chutzpah (he can google it). [/quote]

Awww, Larry... ...did I touch a nerve? :(

[quote]But our resident nutcase lurks here and harasses us with posts that nobody reads-- why doesn't he migrate to the DBs about skiing? Well, I know. They have so viciously rejected him that he turned tail and ran![/quote]

They have? Would you mind telling me which ones?

[quote]So since golfers are polite, since we remain silent in the presence of a moron, he posts here. [/quote]

This is "polite"? This is remaining silent?

LOL

[quote]Shameless, but of course you would need to be at least minimally intelligent to have shame.[/QUOTE]

I was intelligent enough to get my handicap down to single digit without a golf pro; I was intelligent enough not to take your advice on shorting the S&P...

Pity you've not been intelligent enough to learn that posting repeatedly that contradictory golf ideas were all "THE SECRET" to a good swing...

:)

[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261471][B]What an idiot! An unemployed bum who can't afford either to join a golf club or to pay for lessons gives his opinion on a golf swing! Chutzpah[/B] (he can google it).

But [B]our resident nutcase lurks here and harasses us[/B] with posts that nobody reads-- why doesn't he migrate to the DBs about skiing? Well, I know. They have so viciously rejected him that he turned tail and ran! So [B]since golfers are polite[/B], since [B]we remain silent in the presence of a moron[/B], he posts here.

Shameless, but of course [B]you would need to be at least minimally intelligent to have shame[/B].

Larry[/QUOTE]

Is this what you call politely remaining silent is it Larry?

Oh the irony (you can Google it).

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261455]I thought you might like this one. Skip to 1:20 and enjoy...

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Idiotic looking training device but gotta give the guy credit. He is pretty good at keeping it going. I guess a smack in the nose is your punishment if you miss it.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261479]Idiotic looking training device but gotta give the guy credit. He is pretty good at keeping it going. I guess a smack in the nose is your punishment if you miss it.[/QUOTE]

If i had a 12 year old son I'd rig one of those up and give him $50 dollars if he could do 50 in a row.

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261467]I personally wouldn't use one but if Zo is into it, fine.[B] You really have to cut him some slack; he does live in SoCal. [/B]

I'm more of a body weight guy. The only exercise machine I own is a water rower. Rowing is probably one of the best full body exercises you can do. Most workout machines end up in the basement or the garage with shiat pilled on or hanging from it.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. We all know gays move from So. Cal. to live in No. Cal.

Spank, the only truly gay exercise equipment is whatever that Niner punt returner uses.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261609]Thank you. We all know gays move from So. Cal. to live in No. Cal.

Spank, the only truly gay exercise equipment is whatever that Niner punt returner uses.[/QUOTE]

Spanker posts have been ironic on many levels. But out of respect I haven't commented.

I know many men in the Portland that take yoga to meet women. They are very successful at it. More successful. Than any bar scene.

Have you seen this youtube?

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[QUOTE=poe4soul;261610]Spanker posts have been ironic on many levels. But out of respect I haven't commented.

I know many men in the Portland that take yoga to meet women. They are very successful at it. More successful. Than any bar scene.

Have you seen this youtube?

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No I hadn't. Does it only work doggy?

Yoga, huh?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261611]No I hadn't. Does it only work doggy?

Yoga, huh?[/QUOTE]

Yah, Yoga. The women to men ratio in the Pac NW in any class is huge. If you can go to a mid morning class your ratio is even higher. There might be one other guy in the class but it's usually all woman. It might be different in LA but I doubt it. You have to go enough so you actually look like you know what you're doing and aren't just there to try to shag girls. Added benefit is you get a good core workout. My wife goes to a class that the instructor is also a Physical Therapist. The instructors understanding of anatomy and movement is incredible. I've thought about taking her class just to learn proper stretching and movement...

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261615]Yah, Yoga. The women to men ratio in the Pac NW in any class is huge. If you can go to a mid morning class your ratio is even higher. There might be one other guy in the class but it's usually all woman. It might be different in LA but I doubt it. You have to go enough so you actually look like you know what you're doing and aren't just there to try to shag girls. Added benefit is you get a good core workout. My wife goes to a class that the instructor is also a Physical Therapist. The instructors understanding of anatomy and movement is incredible. I've thought about taking her class just to learn proper stretching and movement...[/QUOTE]

A few of my single mates denigrated themselves by trying their luck at Ceroc dance classes vs yoga. Didn't have much luck though because like with yoga you have to be good to attract the women meaning you either have to be a natural dancer or persist with that BS long enough to at least reach the intermediate class (where the hotties hang out). No thanks. I still have my pride intact and far better ways to spend my time.

Did try yoga with an ex GF though. It was good but not really my cup of tea at the time. I might be more suited to it now as I'm currently learning pilates to help with my back problems.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261632]A few of my single mates denigrated themselves by trying their luck at Ceroc dance classes vs yoga. Didn't have much luck though because like with yoga you have to be good to attract the women meaning you either have to be a natural dancer or persist with that BS long enough to at least reach the intermediate class (where the hotties hang out). No thanks. I still have my pride intact and far better ways to spend my time.

Did try yoga with an ex GF though. It was good but not really my cup of tea at the time. I might be more suited to it now as I'm currently learning pilates to help with my back problems.[/QUOTE]

I've got a couple of yoga DVD's that I do in the privacy of my home. I just did one this morning in fact. I suck at yoga and have to use blocks on most of the difficult moves, but I am trying to do it regularly because I need the stretch. I skip all the ohms, meditation sh!t, and balance postures. I do it for the stretch, not some pretentious Zen bullsh!t.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261632]A few of my single mates denigrated themselves by trying their luck at Ceroc dance classes vs yoga. Didn't have much luck though because like with yoga you have to be good to attract the women meaning you either have to be a natural dancer or persist with that BS long enough to at least reach the intermediate class (where the hotties hang out). No thanks. I still have my pride intact and far better ways to spend my time.

Did try yoga with an ex GF though. It was good but not really my cup of tea at the time. I might be more suited to it now as I'm currently learning pilates to help with my back problems.[/QUOTE]

No yoga for me. I draw the line at an elliptical machine.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261635]No yoga for me. I draw the line at an elliptical machine.[/QUOTE]

I walk 2.5 miles (40-45 minutes) during lunch hr , just about everyday, with a few guys at work - rain, shine or snow... and I am sweating out even at 30F outside

[QUOTE=Pky6471;261637]I walk 2.5 miles (40-45 minutes) during lunch hr , just about everyday, with a few guys at work - rain, shine or snow... and I am sweating out even at 30F outside[/QUOTE]

If walking makes you sweat, I think it's time you graduate to the elliptical machine.

[QUOTE=Pky6471;261637]I walk 2.5 miles (40-45 minutes) during lunch hr , just about everyday, with a few guys at work - rain, shine or snow... and I am sweating out even at 30F outside[/QUOTE]

Curious as to what kind of heart rate you get with the walking. If you don't already know maybe you can take it tomorrow.

As a man of science and so your input is valuable.

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261638]If walking makes you sweat, I think it's time you graduate to the elliptical machine.[/QUOTE]

If you had only said fall back instead of graduate I would have created a new award for you. You were so close.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261641]If you had only said fall back instead of graduate I would have created a new award for you. You were so close.[/QUOTE]

Ran into this today
"[I]Cut out (or at least limit) long distance, low-intensity endurance training (jogging, stairmaster, [B]eliptical). While “traditional cardio” is necessary when trying to improve sport performance, it is totally inefficient and highly overrated for fat loss.[/B] Fat loss will be the result of your clean diet and appropriate caloric intake. Building lean muscle through strength training will provide your body with its definition, shape, and tone. You can’t make up for a poor diet with more time in the hamster wheel."[/I] Link[URL="http://natemiyaki.com/"]http://natemiyaki.com/[/URL]


He's a regular contributor on T-nation and is well respected. Zo, check him out. You'll like what he has to say about diet and maybe we can get you off that elliptical.

I'm seriously thinking about amping up my diet an try to take off some of my weight in a couple of months.

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261646]Ran into this today
"[I]Cut out (or at least limit) long distance, low-intensity endurance training (jogging, stairmaster, [B]eliptical). While “traditional cardio” is necessary when trying to improve sport performance, it is totally inefficient and highly overrated for fat loss.[/B] Fat loss will be the result of your clean diet and appropriate caloric intake. Building lean muscle through strength training will provide your body with its definition, shape, and tone. You can’t make up for a poor diet with more time in the hamster wheel."[/I] Link[URL]http://natemiyaki.com/[/URL]


He's a regular contributor on T-nation and is well respected. Zo, check him out. You'll like what he has to say about diet and maybe we can get you off that elliptical.

I'm seriously thinking about amping up my diet an try to take off some of my weight in a couple of months.[/QUOTE]

The best way to get your weight down is to cut your calorie intake, lift weights 3 days a week and then run or walk the other 3 days. Day 7 is for golf and Ping worship.

By the way, lifting weights will make you burn far more calories than acting like Richard Simmons on an elliptical. You might as well be wearing spandex.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261640]Curious as to what kind of heart rate you get with the walking. If you don't already know maybe you can take it tomorrow.

As a man of science and so your input is valuable.[/QUOTE]

I know that my heart is pumping fast during and after the walk, but I have not measured it yet, will let you know... We probably do at least 3.5 mph, by the time I get back to my office I have to remove my sweater. A few yrs ago my wife bought an expensive? "Leisure" treadmill, I think around $1500 but I never used it because I enjoy walking outside with fresh air... Sat we had 3" of wet snow in Delaware, after cleaning up my driveway using my snow blower, I rested for 1 hr then walked 2.5 miles at 35F outside... beautiful snow and very clean air

[url]http://walking.about.com/library/cal/uccalc1.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261646]Ran into this today
"[I]Cut out (or at least limit) long distance, low-intensity endurance training (jogging, stairmaster, [B]eliptical). While “traditional cardio” is necessary when trying to improve sport performance, it is totally inefficient and highly overrated for fat loss.[/B] Fat loss will be the result of your clean diet and appropriate caloric intake. Building lean muscle through strength training will provide your body with its definition, shape, and tone. You can’t make up for a poor diet with more time in the hamster wheel."[/I] Link[URL]http://natemiyaki.com/[/URL]

I agree with everything he said except

He's a regular contributor on T-nation and is well respected. Zo, check him out. You'll like what he has to say about diet and maybe we can get you off that elliptical.

I'm seriously thinking about amping up my diet an try to take off some of my weight in a couple of months.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything he said except the low intensity part. I guess it depends how you define low intensity but my definition is cardio, so heart rate and O2 consumption. Losing weight is from diet and building your metabolism with muscle gains (mostly resistance training) more than anything.

I like where things are muscle-wise, I mostly just cut carbs and have dropped 12 since New Years. That's too fast meaning I probably dropped some muscle but it was my first experience trying to lose weight so I may have gone at it a little hard.

Hey, I've run in fact still do occasionally, I bike alot and ocean swim occasionally. I even had access to a scull once and that is great but hard on the body at our ages. But all that said, I think I have the best chance of keeping healthy into old age using the elliptical. For me it's about aerobic fitness and avoiding injury.

No, I'm sticking with the elliptical as gay as it may be. The distinction I make is I do it despite it being gay, not because of it.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261652]I agree with everything he said except the low intensity part. I guess it depends how you define low intensity but my definition is cardio, so heart rate and O2 consumption. Losing weight is from building your metabolism with muscle gains (mostly resistance training) more than anything.

I like where things are muscle-wise, I mostly just cut carbs and have dropped 12 since New Years. That's too fast meaning I probably dropped some muscle but it was my first experience trying to lose weight so I may have gone at it a little hard.

Hey, I've run in fact still do occasionally, I bike alot and ocean swim occasionally. I even had access to a scull once and that is great but hard on the body at our ages. But all that said, I think I have the best chance of keeping healthy into old age using the elliptical. For me it's about aerobic fitness and avoiding injury.

No, I'm sticking with the elliptical as gay as it may be. The distinction I make is I do it despite it being gay, not because of it.[/QUOTE]

Have you tried the Shake Weight yet? It seems like something you'd be into (gay).

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261653]Have you tried the Shake Weight yet? It seems like something you'd be into (gay).[/QUOTE]

No, is it from your Yoga program?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261654]No, is it from your Yoga program?[/QUOTE]

I'd say "touche," but we all know that the French language is reserved for the elliptical crowd.

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261658]I'd say "touche," but we all know that the French language is reserved for the elliptical crowd.[/QUOTE]

I'll have you know the elliptical I'm buying is distributed in Indiana. The best ellipticals come from the Midwest. You're throwing rocks at your own house.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261660]I'll have you know the elliptical I'm buying is distributed in Indiana. The best ellipticals come from the Midwest. You're throwing rocks at your own house.[/QUOTE]

Lots of fat girls in the midwest think an elliptical is a valid form of exercise.

We interrupt this thread to announce that Mark Wilson won the Bob Hope with a brand new set of Ping i20 irons and a new Ping i20 driver. Ping is on a roll now and most experts agree they are on the cutting edge of technology, far surpassing that of the competition. We now return to our regularly scheduled program...

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261661]Lots of fat girls in the midwest think an elliptical is a valid form of exercise.[/QUOTE]

According to their website their biggest market segment are beer drinking men from Cincinnati. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Cincinnati women probably get all the exercise they need out in the pasture.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261664]According to their website their biggest market segment are beer drinking men from Cincinnati. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Cincinnati women probably get all the exercise they need in the pasture.[/QUOTE]

I also used to deflect and make unfunny comments if someone was getting the better of me.
Take your zing like a man, not some elliptical-using fancy boy.

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261665]I also used to deflect and make unfunny comments if someone was getting the better of me.
Take your zing like a man, not some elliptical-using fancy boy.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to see how long you could keep it going. Had you been using an elliptical, no doubt it would have been longer.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;261662]We interrupt this thread to announce that Mark Wilson won the Bob Hope with a brand new set of Ping i20 irons and a new Ping i20 driver. Ping is on a roll now and most experts agree they are on the cutting edge of technology, far surpassing that of the competition. We now return to our regularly scheduled program...[/QUOTE]

Watching Mark Wilson play golf on TV is about as much fun as watching glaciers calve in the Amundsen Cove. Now watching Garrigus hit full shots is very entertaining to me. Wilson is like an annual comet that burns real bright in the first couple of weeks of the PGA season. When the Show moves all the way east to Hawaii Without The Topography (Florida), he heads back to his cave and lives off a couple of big checks until the leaves start to turn red and gold Up North.

[QUOTE=mongrel;261685]Watching Mark Wilson play golf on TV is about as much fun as watching glaciers calve in the Amundsen Cove. Now watching Garrigus hit full shots is very entertaining to me. Wilson is like an annual comet that burns real bright in the first couple of weeks of the PGA season. When the Show moves all the way east to Hawaii Without The Topography (Florida), he heads back to his cave and lives off a couple of big checks until the leaves start to turn red and gold Up North.[/QUOTE]

I like to see the average height guys win tournaments. Mark Wilson is shorter than I am and is 69th on the tour in driving distance. That's pretty good. He probably weighs about 145.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;261687]I like to see the average height guys win tournaments. Mark Wilson is shorter than I am and is 69th on the tour in driving distance. That's pretty good. He probably weighs about 145.[/QUOTE]

Height has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned. I used to root for Ian Woosnam who is about 5'2"" or thereabouts and he could really pound it. Same with Player, almost a dwarf. Mark Wilson reminds me of a nice clean-cut professional guy with a cute Junior League wife and two toddlers in an expensive private pre-school who drives a three-series BMW sedan with the wife piloting a loaded-up Yukon or Suburban. A guy who is a junior partner practicing real estate law at a medium rated firm in a large metropolitan area or a CPA who is the favorite of the Principals at a boutique accounting firm. A guy who definitely belongs to a private club and has been club champ in the past and would try to make it deep into the USGA Mid Amateur.

Lary,

Where's your video of your "no handlebars" bike workout? We've seen your other two Sunday activities. Now let's see your workout.

Only 355 posts! My record is well over 600, and I think we did 1000+ on the Usenet when I posted there in RSG.

There were reliable nutcases like AB who would always take the bait and post and post and post for days after my provocative post. It was fun to tweak them. I could even tell them I was messing with their mind and they would continue posting hateful stuff anyway! A few times I took the other side of the discussion just for fun--and to prove my point that the AB-type nutcases LIVE for this stuff, they spend 10 or hours every day posting in Internet discussion groups.

I might take my video camera to the club Fitness Center and shoot some of my workout. I think standing on the pedals of the stationary bike and certain floor exercises, crunches of various kinds are the most rigorous. The one-leg stuff is painful too, just keep one leg straight and reach down and slowly pick something up on the floor. Then put it back slowly. Let your other leg go straight back for balance. You guys would enjoy seeing me groan.

But these are valid strengthening exercises for the golf swing (they are in TPI). We need to be able to balance on one leg so that we can make the golf swing without need to rush, i.e. while falling.

I suggest those interested use a PT guy who knows the TPI drills.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf;261740]Only 355 posts! My record is well over 600, and I think we did 1000+ on the Usenet when I posted there in RSG.

There were reliable nutcases like AB who would always take the bait and post and post and post for days after my provocative post. It was fun to tweak them. I could even tell them I was messing with their mind and they would continue posting hateful stuff anyway! A few times I took the other side of the discussion just for fun--and to prove my point that the AB-type nutcases LIVE for this stuff, they spend 10 or hours every day posting in Internet discussion groups.

I might take my video camera to the club Fitness Center and shoot some of my workout. I think standing on the pedals of the stationary bike and certain floor exercises, crunches of various kinds are the most rigorous.[B] The one-leg stuff is painful too, just keep one leg straight and reach down and slowly pick something up on the floor. Then put it back slowly. Let your other leg go straight back for balance. You guys would enjoy seeing me groan.[/B]

But these are valid strengthening exercises for the golf swing (they are in TPI). We need to be able to balance on one leg so that we can make the golf swing without need to rush, i.e. while falling.

I suggest those interested use a PT guy who knows the TPI drills.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Yah, You don't get credit for the 350 posts. I've thread jacked your post about 200 posts ago.

What you've described is a one legged roman dead lift. Next time you do it try it on an unstable surface or close your eyes. Be sure to roll the video camera before you try it.

For a second there I thought you were going to claim that you were doing pistols. One of my fitness goals for 2012 is to be able to do a pistol on both sides. This guy is a freak -

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Three comments Lar.

First, it's really bad form to brag like that, particularly about something meaningless. It suggests not only don't you have any real accomplishments in life, but also low self-esteem soothed by approval from others.

Second, it's kind of classless to brag, it just makes you seem like less.

And third, I have a thread already well over 500. Talk to me if you ever get near my neighborhood because right now you're still in the low rent district.

[QUOTE=poe4soul;261742]Yah, You don't get credit for the 350 posts. I've thread jacked your post about 200 posts ago.

What you've described is a one legged roman dead lift. Next time you do it try it on an unstable surface or close your eyes. Be sure to roll the video camera before you try it.

For a second there I thought you were going to claim that you were doing pistols. One of my fitness goals for 2012 is to be able to do a pistol on both sides. This guy is a freak -

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They had us doing those as teenagers although once you get to 10 minutes with wall sits without much effort, what you're calling pistols with weights is a whole lot easier.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;261744]Three comments Lar.

First, it's really bad form to brag like that, particularly about something meaningless. It suggests not only don't you have any real accomplishments in life, but also low self-esteem soothed by approval from others.

Second, it's kind of classless to brag, it just makes you seem like less.

And third, I have a thread already well over 500. Talk to me if you ever get near my neighborhood because right now you're still in the low rent district.[/QUOTE]

As I've mentioned before: if you want to understand Larry, read [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder"]Narcissistic personality disorder[/URL]

:)

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;260867]Do you have a link for the study? I've been on statins currently . Without it my levels weren't that bad but they've seemed to be pretty much a panacea provided you get tested periodically for liver function.

I like biking, particularly the mountain climbs around here but I'm suspicious as to its effect on the hips long term. Just seems the way you get leverage isn't great.[/QUOTE]

This just came up on MobilityWOD. Good progression stretching the hip and mobility....
[URL="http://www.mobilitywod.com/2012/01/episode-363365-pre-squat-hip-opener-mob-rx.html"]http://www.mobilitywod.com/2012/01/episode-363365-pre-squat-hip-opener-mob-rx.html[/URL]