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[QUOTE=huskyhater;259739]NAH, I'm a leader, not a follower like wood fans are. A fan of his? NEVER, not even in Ryder Cup. Thats why wood never does good in Ryder Cup, its all about him..............not the USA like the rest of the players.
As far as wood whomping everyone-dream on.[/QUOTE]

He whoomped them pretty good in the Chevron Challenge. I think that's a taste of things to come. That's proably the reason Stevie has been so catty about getting sacked, he could see Tiger's resurgence coming and is pissed he won't be around to cash in with the caddie's cut. Not to mention the endorsements he could get for being on the main man's bag.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;259752]He whoomped them pretty good in the Chevron Challenge. I think that's a taste of things to come. That's proably the reason Stevie has been so catty about getting sacked, he could see Tiger's resurgence coming and is pissed he won't be around to cash in with the caddie's cut. Not to mention the endorsements he could get for being on the main man's bag.[/QUOTE]

Thats right, wood did win something a while back. How many players actually showed up for this silly season event? Seems kinda jayvee to me..............but don't get me wrong, I think your lil' woody could get 2 more majors in his career-if he keeps his nose clean.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;259909]Thats right, wood did win something a while back. How many players actually showed up for this silly season event? Seems kinda jayvee to me..............but don't get me wrong, [B]I think your lil' woody could get 2 more majors in his career[/B]-if he keeps his nose clean.[/QUOTE]

Wow you're really lightening up Francis ... er .... I mean Huskyhater.

What happened? A little 2012 New Years Resolution?

Getting older and softer. Wood will win 2 more majors, but Jack will still hold the record. And no, I don't/won't resort to name-calling.......

[QUOTE=huskyhater;260049]Getting older and softer. Wood will win 2 more majors, but Jack will still hold the record. And no, I don't/won't resort to name-calling.......[/QUOTE]

Jack'a'record'is redundant as he played in an era of non athlete golfers and very small groups of actual contenders. Equipment allows everyone in the field to have a shot instead of 5 or 6 guys so tiger's record already leaves jack in the shade. If jack came along now he would have to hit the treadmill just to make the nationwide.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260054]Jack'a'record'is redundant as he played in an era of non athlete golfers and very small groups of actual contenders. Equipment allows everyone in the field to have a shot instead of 5 or 6 guys so tiger's record already leaves jack in the shade. If jack came along now he would have to hit the treadmill just to make the nationwide.[/QUOTE]

Jim Nantz move over. NAH wants a suck.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260054]Jack'a'record'is redundant as he played in an era of non athlete golfers and very small groups of actual contenders. Equipment allows everyone in the field to have a shot instead of 5 or 6 guys so tiger's record already leaves jack in the shade. If jack came along now he would have to hit the treadmill just to make the nationwide.[/QUOTE]

You're right, Nicklaus only had to deal with Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Tom Watson, Seve Ballasteros, Gene Littler, Ken Venturi, Raymond Floyd and Johnny Miller. How lucky could he get?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;260058]You're right, Nicklaus only had to deal with Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Tom Watson, Seve Ballasteros, Gene Littler, Ken Venturi, Raymond Floyd and Johnny Miller. How lucky could he get?[/QUOTE]

Watson, trevino and seve owned him. And as I said there were 5 or 6 guys with the talent to contend instead of the whole field these days. Just as tigers 14 eclipses kacks 18, the game has lifted again since tiger came along and if a guy came along now and won 10 slams it would be better than tiger's current 14.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260054]Jack'a'record'is redundant as he played in an era of non athlete golfers and very small groups of actual contenders. Equipment allows everyone in the field to have a shot instead of 5 or 6 guys so tiger's record already leaves jack in the shade. If jack came along now he would have to hit the treadmill just to make the nationwide.[/QUOTE]

Jack beat who was in front of him-if you had to realize that people/athletes beat the very best that were put out in front of them in their time opposed to who is the biggest DIVA star now (with equipment that can be measured/adjusted to every player instead of an 'all for one measurement' back then) and getting big-$ advantages because of it (black man love), you really should get your drivers permit before you pop off about these FACTS........... JACK NICKLAUS-GREATEST EVER! ANYBODY who thinks tigger wood can hold a candle to JACK NICKLAUS as a MAN and/or GOLFER is a FOOL.

Tiger is clearly the greatest golfer we have ever seen. His record may one day be better than jacks but if you compare their careers tiger has been ahead of jack all the way. If not for the unfortunate family business he would already be past 18 slams. No doubt whatsoever. He missed 8 opportunities since the marraige breakdown, and some of those were at venues where he is unbeatable.

I think Tiger was the best golfer of all time in the year 2000. Nobody in the history of the game had ever played that well and dominated the way he did. To say someone was the best in a given sport, though, means over their entire career. Personally, with modern equipment and physical conditioning I'm pretty confident that Nicklaus would have easily held his own against Tiger. I wasn't even born yet when Nicklaus was at his best so it's hard for me to appreciate how good he was at the time.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;260056]Jim Nantz move over. NAH wants a suck.[/QUOTE]

I dont like tiger and am not even a fan. But I accept how great he is at golf and how much the game owes him. My favourite golfer is JD by a mile. But I cant say he is as good at golf as Tiger.
P.S. And as long as i keep getting bites from hh im gonna keep throwing them out there

Tiger's golf game peaked in 2000. At that point in time Tiger had everything he needed to break Jack's record for majors, and he was primed to absolutely demolish that record at the time IMO. Had he stayed the course he would be where we were all predicting him to be at this point in time.

Tiger's ultimate failing was his personal greed; his lust for more. He tried to improve upon the closest thing to perfect that any golfer had ever achieved. He could have settled for being the best to ever play the game, but he wanted more.

It's almost undeniable that Tiger circa 2000 was an unstoppable force, he was a winning machine who could perform better under pressure than any of his predecessors. He invented a new level at which to play golf that had never been seen before. That's what makes the reasoning behind his decision to change his game all the more obvious, yet no less baffling.

Tiger's game has been in decline since long before his "transgressions" cost him his wife, children, half his fortune, and the respect of the public, and it started before his knee injuries. It started way before all that, and it's a prime example of the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." if ever there were one.

Tiger himself ruined any chance he ever had at becoming the greatest player who ever played the game simply by being too ambitious. Now he's wasting his few remaining prime years trying to get his game back to the level it once was, instead of setting records winning majors and tournaments.

It's as if Tiger missed the memo that golf is not a game which can be mastered or beaten, but a cerebral game of managing emotions and mistakes, taking no more than what you're given, and being mindful that there is no such thing as a perfect round of golf, or a perfect golf swing. Those things cannot exist because there is no such thing as a perfect human.

Tiger will never regain the form he had when he was the real world-beater he used to be. He's done too much damage to his game with lessons and "improvements" for that to happen. He MAY end up with a couple more majors in time, but I doubt he'll be the one who breaks Jack's record.

What I don't doubt is that someone will break that record in the next 20 years. Some other generational talent will eventually come along and make us forget all about the Tiger Woods that could have been.



FON

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature;260117]Tiger's golf game peaked in 2000. At that point in time Tiger had everything he needed to break Jack's record for majors, and he was primed to absolutely demolish that record at the time IMO. Had he stayed the course he would be where we were all predicting him to be at this point in time.

Tiger's ultimate failing was his personal greed; his lust for more. He tried to improve upon the closest thing to perfect that any golfer had ever achieved. He could have settled for being the best to ever play the game, but he wanted more.

It's almost undeniable that Tiger circa 2000 was an unstoppable force, he was a winning machine who could perform better under pressure than any of his predecessors. He invented a new level at which to play golf that had never been seen before. That's what makes the reasoning behind his decision to change his game all the more obvious, yet no less baffling.

Tiger's game has been in decline since long before his "transgressions" cost him his wife, children, half his fortune, and the respect of the public, and it started before his knee injuries. It started way before all that, and it's a prime example of the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." if ever there were one.

Tiger himself ruined any chance he ever had at becoming the greatest player who ever played the game simply by being too ambitious. Now he's wasting his few remaining prime years trying to get his game back to the level it once was, instead of setting records winning majors and tournaments.

It's as if Tiger missed the memo that golf is not a game which can be mastered or beaten, but a cerebral game of managing emotions and mistakes, taking no more than what you're given, and being mindful that there is no such thing as a perfect round of golf, or a perfect golf swing. Those things cannot exist because there is no such thing as a perfect human.

Tiger will never regain the form he had when he was the real world-beater he used to be. He's done too much damage to his game with lessons and "improvements" for that to happen. He MAY end up with a couple more majors in time, but I doubt he'll be the one who breaks Jack's record.

What I don't doubt is that someone will break that record in the next 20 years. Some other generational talent will eventually come along and make us forget all about the Tiger Woods that could have been.



FON[/QUOTE]

The search for improvement has killed a few careers. Seve was as talented a golfer as the world had seen til he decided his swing wasnf as consistent as he wanted and destroyed the natural feel that made him great and he becsme a basket case. Duval and Bakrr finch both wanted to hit draws after Open triumphs and wete never seen again on a leaderboard.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260118]The search for improvement has killed a few careers. Seve was as talented a golfer as the world had seen til he decided his swing wasnf as consistent as he wanted and destroyed the natural feel that made him great and he becsme a basket case. Duval and Bakrr finch both wanted to hit draws after Open triumphs and wete never seen again on a leaderboard.[/QUOTE]

Can't forget about Faldo as well. Sure, he may have been a short-knocker for a big lad and didn't have the most technically efficient golf swing, but he understood how to manage a course with the shots he had in the bag. He knew how to win.

Then Leadbetter got to him. :rolleyes: Then he became technically sound... at not winning.

It's funny how the golfers who say they are "technically improved" or "more fundamentally sound" are the ones who always seem to be slumping at the time...

I guess they don't have the time to review the trends and evidence... they're too busy practicing some new move/drill that's going to change the game for them. They're busy "being a better player" while winning less.

Pro golfers rank right up there among the dumbest of athletes IMO.



FON

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature;260120]Can't forget about Faldo as well. Sure, he may have been a short-knocker for a big lad and didn't have the most technically efficient golf swing, but he understood how to manage a course with the shots he had in the bag. He knew how to win.

Then Leadbetter got to him. :rolleyes: Then he became technically sound... at not winning.

It's funny how the golfers who say they are "technically improved" or "more fundamentally sound" are the ones who always seem to be slumping at the time...

I guess they don't have the time to review the trends and evidence... they're too busy practicing some new move/drill that's going to change the game for them. They're busy "being a better player" while winning less.

Pro golfers rank right up there among the dumbest of athletes IMO.



FON[/QUOTE]

FON, I'm pretty sure Faldo went to Leadbetter and then starting winning majors. I'm fairly certain about that. Faldo is the one who put Leadbetter on the map. Before he started working with Leadbetter his swing was completely different than what you saw in the majors he won.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;260228]FON, I'm pretty sure Faldo went to Leadbetter and then starting winning majors. I'm fairly certain about that. Faldo is the one who put Leadbetter on the map. Before he started working with Leadbetter his swing was completely different than what you saw in the majors he won.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, Faldo was a leadbetter success story who leadbetter built his rep and fortune on. His less successful students are Els, Wie, Norman, Seve etc. Apart from Faldo every pro who went to leadbetter had their game ruined by him. Usually beyond repair.

[QUOTE=FreakOfNature;260117]Tiger's golf game peaked in 2000. At that point in time Tiger had everything he needed to break Jack's record for majors, and he was primed to absolutely demolish that record at the time IMO. Had he stayed the course he would be where we were all predicting him to be at this point in time.

Tiger's ultimate failing was his personal greed; his lust for more. He tried to improve upon the closest thing to perfect that any golfer had ever achieved. He could have settled for being the best to ever play the game, but he wanted more.

It's almost undeniable that Tiger circa 2000 was an unstoppable force, he was a winning machine who could perform better under pressure than any of his predecessors. He invented a new level at which to play golf that had never been seen before. That's what makes the reasoning behind his decision to change his game all the more obvious, yet no less baffling.

Tiger's game has been in decline since long before his "transgressions" cost him his wife, children, half his fortune, and the respect of the public, and it started before his knee injuries. It started way before all that, and it's a prime example of the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." if ever there were one.

Tiger himself ruined any chance he ever had at becoming the greatest player who ever played the game simply by being too ambitious. Now he's wasting his few remaining prime years trying to get his game back to the level it once was, instead of setting records winning majors and tournaments.

It's as if Tiger missed the memo that golf is not a game which can be mastered or beaten, but a cerebral game of managing emotions and mistakes, taking no more than what you're given, and being mindful that there is no such thing as a perfect round of golf, or a perfect golf swing. Those things cannot exist because there is no such thing as a perfect human.

Tiger will never regain the form he had when he was the real world-beater he used to be. He's done too much damage to his game with lessons and "improvements" for that to happen. He MAY end up with a couple more majors in time, but I doubt he'll be the one who breaks Jack's record.

What I don't doubt is that someone will break that record in the next 20 years. Some other generational talent will eventually come along and make us forget all about the Tiger Woods that could have been.

AGREE 100%, plus there are kids out there now who don't/won't crap their pants and fold when wood gets a couple birdies in a row. Good post FoN. Have a ggod day, enjoy DUSTIN JOHNSON winning at Augusta this year.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260115]I dont like tiger and am not even a fan. But I accept how great he is at golf and how much the game owes him. My favourite golfer is JD by a mile. But I cant say he is as good at golf as Tiger.
P.S. And as long as i keep getting bites from hh im gonna keep throwing them out there[/QUOTE]

JD? NAH, I guess you're alright after all!

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260118]The search for improvement has killed a few careers. Seve was as talented a golfer as the world had seen til he decided his swing wasnf as consistent as he wanted and destroyed the natural feel that made him great and he becsme a basket case. Duval and Bakrr finch both wanted to hit draws after Open triumphs and wete never seen again on a leaderboard.[/QUOTE]

Seve.........................WOW what a fun and class act he was to watch. In '86 (greatest Masters EVER) he graciously bowed and tipped his cap to the polite applause after 3 putting the 17th to ensure he wouldn't win. Never forget that, it must have hurt him bad, but he responded like a true pro.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;260358]Seve.........................WOW what a fun and class act he was to watch. In '86 (greatest Masters EVER) he graciously bowed and tipped his cap to the polite applause after 3 putting the 17th to ensure he wouldn't win. Never forget that, it must have hurt him bad, but he responded like a true pro.[/QUOTE]
So you're a Seve fan? I guess I should return the compliment and say maybe you're not so bad after all either. He didn't have the consistency because he was so agressive, but I honestly believe at his best Seve is the one player I've seen who wouldn't be intimidated by Tiger and could match him shot for shot. Seve was the archetypal alpha male who went out on the course with the intent of destroying his opposition and had unshakeable self belief that he could beat anyone anytime from anywhere in the field. At least he was like that until his slump came along and he lost his game. You read about him and what the other pros from his era say and all of them agree that Seve's golf at his best was the best golf that they ever saw. He could play shots the rest of the field were incapable of even attempting.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;260384]So you're a Seve fan? I guess I should return the compliment and say maybe you're not so bad after all either. He didn't have the consistency because he was so agressive, but I honestly believe at his best Seve is the one player I've seen who wouldn't be intimidated by Tiger and could match him shot for shot. Seve was the archetypal alpha male who went out on the course with the intent of destroying his opposition and had unshakeable self belief that he could beat anyone anytime from anywhere in the field. At least he was like that until his slump came along and he lost his game. You read about him and what the other pros from his era say and all of them agree that Seve's golf at his best was the best golf that they ever saw. He could play shots the rest of the field were incapable of even attempting.[/QUOTE]

Seve could get up and down from a phone booth, what a magician he was-and a class act. One of the announcers back in that day called him 'the swashbuckling Spaniard' and that was very appropriate....he was fun to watch. No fear in him. The guy had balls. Have a good one.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;260358]Seve.........................WOW what a fun and class act he was to watch. In '86 (greatest Masters EVER) he graciously bowed and tipped his cap to the polite applause after 3 putting the 17th to ensure he wouldn't win. Never forget that, it must have hurt him bad, but he responded like a true pro.[/QUOTE]

You have my proxy on Seve and Tiger.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;260404]You have my proxy on Seve and Tiger.[/QUOTE]

We're cool. Hit'em straight!

Any of you ever go through a period where it seems anything you do out there goes bad, your swing feels like crap, and your confidence is almost gone? How the hell do you get through times like this? I'm getting beat regularly by guys I used to be able to compete with. I'm 54, and some guys have told me the older you get you need to stretch more-is this true?

[QUOTE=huskyhater;261529]Any of you ever go through a period where it seems anything you do out there goes bad, your swing feels like crap, and your confidence is almost gone? How the hell do you get through times like this? I'm getting beat regularly by guys I used to be able to compete with. I'm 54, and some guys have told me the older you get you need to stretch more-is this true?[/QUOTE]

Stretching out the muscles before hitting balls never hurts. I have found that the older I get, he less able I am to load stiff shafted clubs. So I have gone mostly to lighter and more flexible shafts in all clubs. I got a set of irons that have large heads and soles cut for all types of lies and that helps. I put at least one hybrid in the bag so that I can get it out there about 190-200 for a par 5 layup when I know the 3 wood won't get me there anymore. That's what I got wedges for..the 3rd shot. I figured out that the only way for me to be able to get decent distance on my drives was with higher lofted heads, more flexible shafts shorter than standard, and to tee the ball up high, play it off my left instep forward of my left armpit, and catch the ball slightly on the upswing. This will give me around 240 carry with about a 95 mph swing and get a bit of roll and I don't have to swing out of my shoes to do it. Course management comes into play. Analyze why those guys beat you when you were beating them before. Ignore any b*llsh*t about you not hitting it as far as you used to. That is the least of your worries. Develop a "go to" shot and club off the tee of a hole that doesn't require your best driver poke to put you in Position A for the approach. But accept and be prepared to hit that approach from Position B or even C. Just eliminate the D's, E's and F's that make you double at best.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;261529]Any of you ever go through a period where it seems anything you do out there goes bad, your swing feels like crap, and your confidence is almost gone? How the hell do you get through times like this? I'm getting beat regularly by guys I used to be able to compete with. I'm 54, and some guys have told me the older you get you need to stretch more-is this true?[/QUOTE]

Go to the range, pick a target and then take your stance with a 7 iron. Square your feet so that both toes are pointing perpendicular with the target line. Now, lay a club along your toes and then stand behind the line and see if the club is parallel with you target line.

Next, check ball placement, grip, grip pressure and when you swing make sure you are making a full turn with your shoulders and a slight turn with your hips.

When things start going bad, the tendency is to hold the club tighter and turn less. Just loosen everything up and take a hard swing at the ball.

As far as scoring, try playing smart and think your way through the course. Get some pars under your belt.

When putting, line the putt up and take the stroke without fiddling with the face after you've taken your stance. The key is to make all the fundamentals right and take the pressure off yourself. If you commit to the shot and it comes off bad, you did your best.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;261545]Go to the range, pick a target and then take your stance with a 7 iron. Square your feet so that both toes are pointing perpendicular with the target line. Now, lay a club along your toes and then stand behind the line and see if the club is parallel with you target line.

Next, check ball placement, grip, grip pressure and when you swing make sure you are making a full turn with your shoulders and a slight turn with your hips.

When things start going bad, the tendency is to hold the club tighter and turn less. Just loosen everything up and take a hard swing at the ball.

As far as scoring, try playing smart and think your way through the course. Get some pars under your belt.

When putting, line the putt up and take the stroke without fiddling with the face after you've taken your stance. The key is to make all the fundamentals right and take the pressure off yourself. If you commit to the shot and it comes off bad, you did your best.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes all you need to do is to change something. Maybe a real small change. And then you're back to normal or better than before. Like the grip. Try turning it a couple degrees weak or strong. Or stance. Open it a bit or close it. Ball position. If you're hanging back, try playing it a bit forward to force yourself to shift. Or vice versa. I do the same thing with putting. My tendency is to pull putts and to cure that, all I do is move the ball back a bit. Etc. Whatever it takes.

Thanks guys, all good advice. I'm gonna start a stretching program (instead of just solo flexing), playing smart golf never hurt anyone-big numbers on 1-2 holes have hurt lately, and I'm making my grip weaker to hit it straighter. That big hook has been a factor in getting me in trouble! Thanks again.

Okay guys here I am again..........good ol' Woody, born and raised in/around greater San Diego area-and skips the Farmers AGAIN for thje big bucks in foreign country. Is this the way to repair his image (he never cared before), and give back to the community he grew up in? Ya can't teach an old dog new tricks............same ol' woody!

[QUOTE=huskyhater;261871]Okay guys here I am again..........good ol' Woody, born and raised in/around greater San Diego area-and skips the Farmers AGAIN for thje big bucks in foreign country. Is this the way to repair his image (he never cared before), and give back to the community he grew up in? Ya can't teach an old dog new tricks............same ol' woody![/QUOTE]

... same ol' Husky! :)

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261873]... same ol' Husky! :)[/QUOTE]

Have to agree with Husky this time.

I am by far not a Tiger ball-licker, but I can't blame the guy for playing overseas in this tourney. Better players by a mile, and a chance to prove to the top of OWGR that he is back. Beating up a chopper field on a San Diego muni would be the coward's way out.

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261882]I am by far not a Tiger ball-licker, but I can't blame the guy for playing overseas in this tourney. Better players by a mile, and a chance to prove to the top of OWGR that he is back. Beating up a chopper field on a San Diego muni would be the coward's way out.[/QUOTE]

He hasn't proven over the last two years that he is good enough to be hobknobbing with the elite golfers on tour yet. He needs to show more proof in the smaller fields. It is a bit like the major leaguers who get injured and have to go back to the minors to work their way back again. Tiger is yesterday's news and will be until he proves otherwise.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS;261887]He hasn't proven over the last two years that he is good enough to be hobknobbing with the elite golfers on tour yet. He needs to show more proof in the smaller fields. It is a bit like the major leaguers who get injured and have to go back to the minors to work their way back again. Tiger is yesterday's news and will be until he proves otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Torrey Pines would have required he use driver alot and on key holes. Tiger can't play those kinds of courses anymore unless there's no OB and a whole lot of room on adjacent fairways.

Sergio made an ace but what was interesting was on tv it looked like he was using Mizuno irons despite wearing a TM hat.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS;261887]He hasn't proven over the last two years that he is good enough to be hobknobbing with the elite golfers on tour yet. He needs to show more proof in the smaller fields. It is a bit like the major leaguers who get injured and have to go back to the minors to work their way back again. Tiger is yesterday's news and will be until he proves otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I heard he got over $2M to play in Abu Dhabi. You just know Elin is already figuring out how to spend her cut.

Zo, don't they still play 2 rounds on that short-knocker's paradise North Course?

It's time the rest of you Americans realize that golf is a global game. You play where the best fields are every week, not where the next stop falls on the PGA Tour bus.
Granted, that means going to some garbage countries like Abu Dhabi, Australia, and England, and dealing with substandard living conditions. But that is the world we now live in.

[QUOTE=Horseballs;261893]I heard he got over $2M to play in Abu Dhabi. You just know Elin is already figuring out how to spend her cut.

Zo, don't they still play 2 rounds on that short-knocker's paradise North Course?

It's time the rest of you Americans realize that golf is a global game. You play where the best fields are every week, not where the next stop falls on the PGA Tour bus.
Granted, that means going to some garbage countries like Abu Dhabi, Australia, and England, and dealing with substandard living conditions. But that is the world we now live in.[/QUOTE]

One of the four. And the tang has to be way better in San Diego. No doubt he'll duck Riviera too.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS;261887]He hasn't proven over the last two years that he is good enough to be hobknobbing with the elite golfers on tour yet. He needs to show more proof in the smaller fields. [B]It is a bit like the major leaguers who get injured and have to go back to the minors to work their way back again.[/B] Tiger is yesterday's news and will be until he proves otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I used to take this approach when I busted up with GF's. If you can't get back into the major league immediately it's better to go play in the minor league for a while in order to get some game time rather than sitting on the sidelines. Some guys I know would prefer to sit on the sideline for months on end turning down offers from some reasonable minor league talent. Never made sense to me.

I would be interested in TRG's view on this.

Fortunately for him he's STILL living off the past-and that's good for him. He should enjoy it while that is still there, I have a feeling these young ones coming up don't give a crap about him and don't repsect him...good for them AND the game! PLUS....whatever he wins, his ex will be there to get her cut-good for her for being put through Hell because of his selfish crap that his daddy taught him. Wood didn't 'sit on the sideline'....he took the biggest offer-and screwed his hometown fans! Ya can't hide who you're really are.....true colors.

If I offend anybody I don't mean to, I'm REALLY trying to turn over a new leaf and be nicer-but will NEVER, EVER like Woods. Have a good day guys.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;261901]I used to take this approach when I busted up with GF's. If you can't get back into the major league immediately it's better to go play in the minor league for a while in order to get some game time rather than sitting on the sidelines. Some guys I know would prefer to sit on the sideline for months on end turning down offers from some reasonable minor league talent. Never made sense to me.

I would be interested in TRG's view on this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=huskyhater;261945]Fortunately for him he's STILL living off the past-and that's good for him. He should enjoy it while that is still there, I have a feeling these young ones coming up don't give a crap about him and don't repsect him...good for them AND the game! PLUS....whatever he wins, his ex will be there to get her cut-good for her for being put through Hell because of his selfish crap that his daddy taught him. Wood didn't 'sit on the sideline'....he took the biggest offer-and screwed his hometown fans! Ya can't hide who you're really are.....true colors.

If I offend anybody I don't mean to, I'm REALLY trying to turn over a new leaf and be nicer-but will NEVER, EVER like Woods. Have a good day guys.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that Woods doesn't pay Elin anything other than child support. The $100M was negotiated as a final settlement. She doesn't get a cut of future earnings.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;261948]I'm pretty sure that Woods doesn't pay Elin anything other than child support. The $100M was negotiated as a final settlement. She doesn't get a cut of future earnings.[/QUOTE]

Nor should she the money grugging whore. Sounds like she has found a new host to suck dry so tiger should be left alone.

Both Woods and Mcilroy are two back behind no-name leaders. This would be a fantastic finish to a golf tournament if both of those guys were tied for the lead going into the last round. Meanwhile, Stuart Fee is in last place at +29. I would love to see Woods paired with Mcilroy and scare the wits out of him. Post win at the press tent, Tiger could say [SIZE=2]"I have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English".
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[QUOTE=famousdavis;261987]Both Woods and Mcilroy are two back behind no-name leaders. This would be a fantastic finish to a golf tournament if both of those guys were tied for the lead going into the last round. Meanwhile, Stuart Fee is in last place at +29. I would love to see Woods paired with Mcilroy and scare the wits out of him. Post win at the press tent, Tiger could say [SIZE=2]"I have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English".
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Before I had to leave for work this morning, I watched a couple of holes. I saw a couple of shots of Tiger standing on the tee or green looking at the hole and paying no attention to Donald or Rory and Rory was sort of staring at Tiger with his shoulders slumped and mouth hanging slightly open looking like it was trying to capture both oxygen and Islamic flies at the same time. It was right after Tiger made a par or birdie and Rory bogeyed to fall back of Tiger. Rory looked intimidated. And it was only in the second round. That course is long with not a lot of roll and Rory was pounding it out past both his competitors but not gaining much if anything for it.

He's 2 back and looking pretty good. But its still not The Masters, and thats the Major that tiger has the best chance of winning. i guarantee what tiger fans 'saw' in Rory's face today is not really the truth....false hope? there's more youn'uns out there that aren't afraid of tiger. The Masters will tell the truth, watch out for Quiros or Dustin Johnson. He'll do well this weekend though, I'm looking forward to watching it.

WAY to obvious that PGA feels they need tiger wood to be dominant again-in the Pebble Beach debacle where you have players having to put up with the likes of Bill Murray, Chris Berman, Clint Eastwood, and I'm sure some others that are far worse golfers..................the PGA pairs wood with TONY ROMO! Whats the difference you ask? While the other players are helping their group look for lost balls, watching them top it down the fairway, etc.........tiger wood (the world is too politically correct at times) gets to play with A SCRATCH GOLFER that actually cares about his game than schmoozing with the gallery. What a flipping joke-I wonder if PGA has conferred with wooods agent to see who he wants to be paired with at The Masters and what time he wants.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;262726]WAY to obvious that PGA feels they need tiger wood to be dominant again-in the Pebble Beach debacle where you have players having to put up with the likes of Bill Murray, Chris Berman, Clint Eastwood, and I'm sure some others that are far worse golfers..................the PGA pairs wood with TONY ROMO! Whats the difference you ask? While the other players are helping their group look for lost balls, watching them top it down the fairway, etc.........tiger wood (the world is too politically correct at times) gets to play with A SCRATCH GOLFER that actually cares about his game than schmoozing with the gallery. What a flipping joke-I wonder if PGA has conferred with wooods agent to see who he wants to be paired with at The Masters and what time he wants.[/QUOTE]

No doubt about it Husky. When you're top dog you get all the privileges and Tiger is still clearly Top Dog of the golf world.

He still Da Man!

[QUOTE=huskyhater;262726]WAY to obvious that PGA feels they need tiger wood to be dominant again-in the Pebble Beach debacle where you have players having to put up with the likes of Bill Murray, Chris Berman, Clint Eastwood, and I'm sure some others that are far worse golfers..................the PGA pairs wood with TONY ROMO! Whats the difference you ask? While the other players are helping their group look for lost balls, watching them top it down the fairway, etc.........tiger wood (the world is too politically correct at times) gets to play with A SCRATCH GOLFER that actually cares about his game than schmoozing with the gallery. What a flipping joke-I wonder if PGA has conferred with wooods agent to see who he wants to be paired with at The Masters and what time he wants.[/QUOTE]

Clint Eastwood seems like he would be OK to play with, but I do agree that Berman and Bill Murray are not ams you'd want to draw if you were a pro. Throw Ramano and George Lopez into the mix of toxic amateur partners. No doubt that Tiger handpicked Romo. I don't think it's a conspiracy or special treatment though. Scott Simpson and Bill Murray played together for years, as did Jacobson/Lemon and Vijay/that guy who is serving time for ripping off investors.
Another guy who looked like he would suck to play with is Danny Ganz (sp). I think even his corpse would be annoying to play golf with.

I can't even imagine how large an appearance fee they're paying Tiger to get him to play in this sad tournament. If Dubai is $3M this has to be at least that.

Great that he picked his own partner but what you hope for is his getting paired with someone over the weekend who is off the chart annoying, distracting and obnoxious. Chris Berman maybe.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;262739]I can't even imagine how large an appearance fee they're paying Tiger to get him to play in this sad tournament. If Dubai is $3M this has to be at least that.

Great that he picked his own partner but what you hope for is his getting paired with someone over the weekend who is off the chart annoying, distracting and obnoxious. Chris Berman maybe.[/QUOTE]


He's playing in it because of AT&T. The PGA Tour isn't paying him anything. Do you have any proof?

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262740]He's playing in it because of AT&T. The PGA Tour isn't paying him anything. Do you have any proof?[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about the tour paying him? Of course it's sponsor funded. Duh. Yes I have proof, it's called common sense. Obviously not your strong suit. Anyone on the inside knows about Tiger's appearance fees, as do many on the outside, they maintain the quasi-secrect to fool the occasional viewer and those who are incredibly naive. Yes I know people on the inside. In fact the same ones who enabled me to break the story on Tiger getting belted with a club by Elin, losing teeth and then going into hiding while he went through the implant process.

By the way, neither Santa Claus nor the tooth fairy are real.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;262743]Who said anything about the tour paying him? Of course it's sponsor funded. Duh. Yes I have proof, it's called common sense. Obviously not your strong suit. Anyone on the inside knows about Tiger's appearance fees, as do many on the outside, they maintain the quasi-secrect to fool the occasional viewer and those who are incredibly naive. Yes I know people on the inside. In fact the same ones who enabled me to break the story on Tiger getting belted with a club by Elin, losing in teeth and then going into hiding while he went through the implant process.

By the way, neither Santa Claus nor the tooth fairy are real.[/QUOTE]

You said "they" are paying an appearance fee and then you mentioned how at Dubai "they" were paying him $3M. The tournament itself paid him the $3M. So, who exactly is paying him an appearance fee to play in the AT&T?

Man, you can't seem to have a single post without throwing out insults can you? You say he's getting an appearance fee, I ask for proof and you say it's obvious and just common sense. I guess we'll just take your word for it.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262747]You said "they" are paying an appearance fee and then you mentioned how at Dubai "they" were paying him $3M. The tournament itself paid him the $3M. So, who exactly is paying him an appearance fee to play in the AT&T?

Man, you can't seem to have a single post without throwing out insults can you? You say he's getting an appearance fee, I ask for proof and you say it's obvious and just common sense. I guess we'll just take your word for it.[/QUOTE]

I never insult anybody. Stupidity deserves a frank response.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;262748]I never insult anybody. Stupidity deserves a frank response.[/QUOTE]

Exactly as I expected, no proof, just lips flapping in the wind.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262750]Exactly as I expected, no proof, just lips flapping in the wind.[/QUOTE]

Life bewilders you doesn't it. I can't imagine. Your expectations are typically hillarious.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262747]You said "they" are paying an appearance fee and then you mentioned how at Dubai "they" were paying him $3M. The tournament itself paid him the $3M. So, who exactly is paying him an appearance fee to play in the AT&T?

Man, you can't seem to have a single post without throwing out insults can you? You say he's getting an appearance fee, I ask for proof and you say it's obvious and just common sense. I guess we'll just take your word for it.[/QUOTE]

2.5-3.5 million seems to be his number for showing up, and playing. Far more then alot of tournaments pay for first.
Close to 3 million for the Australian open in 2010, 1.5 million was paid by Victoria taxpayers. Stuart Appleby won 270,000 for first.

[QUOTE=12sandwich;262779]2.5-3.5 million seems to be his number for showing up, and playing. Far more then alot of tournaments pay for first.
Close to 3 million for the Australian open in 2010, 1.5 million was paid by Victoria taxpayers. Stuart Appleby won 270,000 for first.[/QUOTE]

Um, nobody is disputing that he's received appearance fees at non-PGA tournaments. Naturally, the exact amounts he has received from these tournaments has been reported in a huge number of stories from the press. There are hundreds of sports reporters out there who would kill for a story about Tiger receiving an appearance fee at the AT&T.

Somehow, according to a few members in GR, Tiger has managed to receive an appearance fee for the AT&T yet has managed to let this fact slip right by the press. Easy right? I'm sure the press isn't interested in Tiger Woods or discovering anything he's done that's unethical or dishonest. Why would they care.:rolleyes:

Fortunately for us, a few select "in the know" people within GR are privy to what's REALLY going on. I had no idea how invaluable this forum could be.

[QUOTE=12sandwich;262779]2.5-3.5 million seems to be his number for showing up, and playing. Far more then alot of tournaments pay for first.
Close to 3 million for the Australian open in 2010, 1.5 million was paid by Victoria taxpayers. Stuart Appleby won 270,000 for first.[/QUOTE]

Yes but the tournament was the biggest ever staged here with huge crowds. It was an overwealming success, financially a well as otherwise purely because of Tiger's presence.

[QUOTE=oldplayer;262784]Yes but the tournament was the biggest ever staged here with huge crowds. It was an overwealming success, financially a well as otherwise purely because of Tiger's presence.[/QUOTE]

I think Tiger's entitled to the fees if sponsors and others are willing to pay them. Simple free market economics.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262782]Um, nobody is disputing that he's received appearance fees at non-PGA tournaments. Naturally, the exact amounts he has received from these tournaments has been reported in a huge number of stories from the press. There are hundreds of sports reporters out there who would kill for a story about Tiger receiving an appearance fee at the AT&T.

Somehow, according to a few members in GR, Tiger has managed to receive an appearance fee for the AT&T yet has managed to let this fact slip right by the press. Easy right? I'm sure the press isn't interested in Tiger Woods or discovering anything he's done that's unethical or dishonest. Why would they care.:rolleyes:

Fortunately for us, a few select "in the know" people within GR are privy to what's REALLY going on. I had no idea how invaluable this forum could be.[/QUOTE]

Sarcasm's a step up for you. More practice and it may not sound like whining. Eventually maybe you'll get the vibe of this place. Maybe not.

[QUOTE=oldplayer;262784]Yes but the tournament was the biggest ever staged here with huge crowds. It was an overwealming success, financially a well as otherwise purely because of Tiger's presence.[/QUOTE]

Like I've said before, Tiger Woods has done more for golf and golf fans than they will ever do for him.

Golf began as a game played by a few of the wealthy. Eventually, it gained in popularity and country clubs were formed, matches played and then local tournaments were established.

Next, members of the public showed an interest in attending these matches so that they could watch the great players. Eventually, the tournaments began charging fees which the attendees were more than happy to pay.

That brings us to the Tiger Era where people are willing to pay huge amounts of money to see Tiger Woods play golf.

Golf fans are lucky to have the chance to witness Tiger Woods playing golf. It's not the other way around. Tiger is not lucky that he has people who will pay money to see him play. He earned that position through hard work and talent.

Golf tournaments exist because people are willing to pay money to watch professional golf. The golfers came first and then came the fans. Always remember that.

Anyone who thinks athletes are overpaid doesn't understand the first thing about economics or, more specifically, capitalism. Athletes make up such a small percentage of our population that it's miniscule. Of course they get paid the big bucks. Only a small percentage of people can do what they are capable of doing. They bring joy and excitement into millions of homes every day. If anything, Tiger Woods in underpaid.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262740]He's playing in it because of AT&T. The PGA Tour isn't paying him anything. Do you have any proof?[/QUOTE]

He's playing because of the pairing he got-you have any proof thats NOT the reason? He doesn't have players dancing in traps, drinking beer, wearing clown outfits-less distractions so wood can really concentrate to do well. Its just gonna make him look worse when somebody wins that was paired with domeone dressed like a donkey or something-maybe some of the clowns from tigers gallery could caddy....................now THAT'D be a distraction for a player!

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262790]Like I've said before, Tiger Woods has done more for golf and golf fans than they will ever do for him.

Golf began as a game played by a few of the wealthy. Eventually, it gained in popularity and country clubs were formed, matches played and then local tournaments were established.

Next, members of the public showed an interest in attending these matches so that they could watch the great players. Eventually, the tournaments began charging fees which the attendees were more than happy to pay.

That brings us to the Tiger Era where people are willing to pay huge amounts of money to see Tiger Woods play golf.

Golf fans are lucky to have the chance to witness Tiger Woods playing golf. It's not the other way around. Tiger is not lucky that he has people who will pay money to see him play. He earned that position through hard work and talent.

Golf tournaments exist because people are willing to pay money to watch professional golf. The golfers came first and then came the fans. Always remember that.

Anyone who thinks athletes are overpaid doesn't understand the first thing about economics or, more specifically, capitalism. Athletes make up such a small percentage of our population that it's miniscule. Of course they get paid the big bucks. Only a small percentage of people can do what they are capable of doing. They bring joy and excitement into millions of homes every day. If anything, Tiger Woods in underpaid.[/QUOTE]

WOW.....................what an uninformed, confused, frustrated wood apologist.
And yes, your boy needs to realize that fans make the game what it is-thats why he should grow up. The way his fans conduct themselves at tournaments will lead to violence at tourneys in the future. You gonna be proud of him for that?

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262750]Exactly as I expected, no proof, just lips flapping in the wind.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you, on your knees............as tiger approaches............................

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player;262727]No doubt about it Husky. When you're top dog you get all the privileges and Tiger is still clearly Top Dog of the golf world.

He still Da Man![/QUOTE]

AHHH, they try so hard, but still fail.................do you think its gonna resort to where members (planted by the PGA) of the 'gallery' are gonna kick his ball back in the fairway, pick up opponents ball-I wouldn't doubt it, seems there's alot of roundmouthing from PGA for tiger going on. Really, whats next?

[QUOTE=huskyhater;262797]He's playing because of the pairing he got-you have any proof thats NOT the reason? He doesn't have players dancing in traps, drinking beer, wearing clown outfits-less distractions so wood can really concentrate to do well. Its just gonna make him look worse when somebody wins that was paired with domeone dressed like a donkey or something-maybe some of the clowns from tigers gallery could caddy....................now THAT'D be a distraction for a player![/QUOTE]


You think he put together a 2012 tour schedule and included the AT&T because he gets to be paired with Romo? Most of the pros who play every year in that tournament are paired with the same celebrity year in and year out. I think the only person who has come up with this absurd notion is yourself.

You might want to consider having some knowledge on a subject prior to posting. These are only suggestions.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;262799]WOW.....................what an uninformed, confused, frustrated wood apologist.
And yes, your boy needs to realize that fans make the game what it is-thats why he should grow up. The way his fans conduct themselves at tournaments will lead to violence at tourneys in the future. You gonna be proud of him for that?[/QUOTE]

Fans don't make the game what it is. Golf existed before the golf fan. Golf became popular, people wanted to watch good matches and they were willing to pay for it. Eventually, the players became compensated and as the game became more popular the compensation grew. Tiger is the most accomplished golfer who is still playing. He's earned every cent.

What fans are you speaking of that conduct themselves poorly? Are you speaking of the worst fans of all time; the ones at the Waste Management in Phoenix? Tiger didn't play in that tournament so who's fans are those? I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them.

You don't like Tiger because he's the best and he doesn't pander to the media. You like the guy that cries after the tournament and says "Gosh, I'm so honored to just be here". Not me. I like the way Tiger interviews. He realizes that these vultures will turn on him in a second and won't give a crapola about him if he doesn't win anymore.

I get it. You love the Fred Funk type.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262804]You think he put together a 2012 tour schedule and included the AT&T because he gets to be paired with Romo? Most of the pros who play every year in that tournament are paired with the same celebrity year in and year out. I think the only person who has come up with this absurd notion is yourself.

You might want to consider having some knowledge on a subject prior to posting. These are only suggestions.[/QUOTE]

You've made claims to be (what was it) 'in the know'...thats kinda cute big fella. But I'm asking you to prove that that deal wasn't made. Look at the jayvee tourneys-including his handpicked putt putt deal he's done well in, nobody cares and STILL him and his arrogant BS is shoved down REAL golf fans throat again! Your dream of him winning is hilarious-and your boasts on golf club review sites of how good you are-what a hack!
You might want to consider looking in a mirror once in awhile-there are droves behind you pointing and laughing. These are fact............

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262807]Fans don't make the game what it is. Golf existed before the golf fan. Golf became popular, people wanted to watch good matches and they were willing to pay for it. Eventually, the players became compensated and as the game became more popular the compensation grew. Tiger is the most accomplished golfer who is still playing. He's earned every cent.

What fans are you speaking of that conduct themselves poorly? Are you speaking of the worst fans of all time; the ones at the Waste Management in Phoenix? Tiger didn't play in that tournament so who's fans are those? I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them.

You don't like Tiger because he's the best and he doesn't pander to the media. You like the guy that cries after the tournament and says "Gosh, I'm so honored to just be here". Not me. I like the way Tiger interviews. He realizes that these vultures will turn on him in a second and won't give a crapola about him if he doesn't win anymore.

I get it. You love the Fred Funk type.[/QUOTE]


What are you-6 or 7 years old? Ah I see.......you're gonna claim that it wasn't tiger's fans who yelled at Vijay 'get in the water' while he was hitting a shot. I guarantee that the circus act 'gallery' he has drug to the Tour will produce violence we as Americans only used to see in European soccer-just wait.......He'll get edged out in some tourney and these imbeciles will set fire to stands that golf fans are sitting in...you gonna be involved big fella?
If you like the way wood interviews that tells me all I have to know about you. And for you to claim that he's still the best? What an idiot-look at the standings lately, bright eyes?
I agree, if you act like a spoiled, arrogant jerk your whole life normal people will make fun of you when you fail. But worshipping bandwagonners like you will still prove to be the ultimate jock-sniffing wannabe who never stepped over a sideline in their life that yearns to have his hero wave to him just ONCE-that HAS to hurt you when he doesn't. Keep us laughing.........................

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262807]Fans don't make the game what it is. Golf existed before the golf fan. Golf became popular, people wanted to watch good matches and they were willing to pay for it. Eventually, the players became compensated and as the game became more popular the compensation grew. Tiger is the most accomplished golfer who is still playing. He's earned every cent.

What fans are you speaking of that conduct themselves poorly? Are you speaking of the worst fans of all time; the ones at the Waste Management in Phoenix? Tiger didn't play in that tournament so who's fans are those? I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them.

You don't like Tiger because he's the best and he doesn't pander to the media. You like the guy that cries after the tournament and says "Gosh, I'm so honored to just be here". Not me. I like the way Tiger interviews. He realizes that these vultures will turn on him in a second and won't give a crapola about him if he doesn't win anymore.

I get it. You love the Fred Funk type.[/QUOTE]

And as much as you stalk my educated posts you should know that I'm a Couples fan.....amongst the young guys I like Dustin Johnson. Suck on that pipe and don't forget it. SHOOO!

[QUOTE=huskyhater;262818]And as much as you stalk my educated posts you should know that I'm a Couples fan.....amongst the young guys I like Dustin Johnson. Suck on that pipe and don't forget it. SHOOO![/QUOTE]

Sort of hypocritical don't you think? Couples is known to be a major poon hound whether he's married or not. He divorced his first wife (who later killed herself), dumped his long-time second girlfriend and now his in-laws basically won't let him see the grand kids. He's known to be extremely selfish with his time and watches sports constantly. Did I forget to mention that Couples and Woods are really good friends?

Let me guess, you think Woods played in last year's Masters because of his pairing with Couples during a practice round. That's about as logical as your Romo comment.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262807]Fans don't make the game what it is. Golf existed before the golf fan. Golf became popular, people wanted to watch good matches and they were willing to pay for it. Eventually, the players became compensated and as the game became more popular the compensation grew. Tiger is the most accomplished golfer who is still playing. He's earned every cent.

What fans are you speaking of that conduct themselves poorly? Are you speaking of the worst fans of all time; the ones at the Waste Management in Phoenix? Tiger didn't play in that tournament so who's fans are those? I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them.

You don't like Tiger because he's the best and he doesn't pander to the media. [B]You like the guy that cries after the tournament and says "Gosh, I'm so honored to just be here". [/B]Not me. I like the way Tiger interviews. He realizes that these vultures will turn on him in a second and won't give a crapola about him if he doesn't win anymore.

I get it. You love the Fred Funk type.[/QUOTE]
One other thing about Tiger's acceptance speeches I've always liked is that there has never been a reference of thankyou to 'my lord and saviour jesus christ'. Maybe old HH is a closet bible thumper who resents Tiger stealing so many 'jesus thanking' opportunities from the god fearing fraternity on tour. And Tiger's rcent public declaration of Buddhism would certainly burn up the bible thumper crackers.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262819]Sort of hypocritical don't you think? Couples is known to be a major poon hound whether he's married or not. He divorced his first wife (who later killed herself), dumped his long-time second girlfriend and now his in-laws basically won't let him see the grand kids. He's known to be extremely selfish with his time and watches sports constantly. Did I forget to mention that Couples and Woods are really good friends?

Let me guess, you think Woods played in last year's Masters because of his pairing with Couples during a practice round. That's about as logical as your Romo comment.[/QUOTE]

You present some strong arguments for Couples being a stand up guy. Maybe I should reassess my opinion of him, he sounds cool.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;262830]You present some strong arguments for Couples being a stand up guy. Maybe I should reassess my opinion of him, he sounds cool.[/QUOTE]

I agree, any man with enough balls to walk away from crazy women gets points in my book. Then again, all women are crazy so what he does is really just common sense.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262782]Um, nobody is disputing that he's received appearance fees at non-PGA tournaments. Naturally, the exact amounts he has received from these tournaments has been reported in a huge number of stories from the press. There are hundreds of sports reporters out there who would kill for a story about Tiger receiving an appearance fee at the AT&T.

Somehow, according to a few members in GR, Tiger has managed to receive an appearance fee for the AT&T yet has managed to let this fact slip right by the press. Easy right? I'm sure the press isn't interested in Tiger Woods or discovering anything he's done that's unethical or dishonest. Why would they care.:rolleyes:

Fortunately for us, a few select "in the know" people within GR are privy to what's REALLY going on. I had no idea how invaluable this forum could be.[/QUOTE].
His pay from the AT&T is them making huge donations to his charitable foundation. Yeah right fd. Tigers got to keep his boat afloat where ever he gets it, especially in the harder economic times. He hasn't done this event since 02, guess why fd, cause he's a arrogant pr!ck. Doesn't take the fact that he's the greatest golfer in are time. Humility is the path to enlightenment Fd, and he's Buddhist, yeah right. You could use a little. Peace Love and Soul

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262833]I agree, any man with enough balls to walk away from crazy women gets points in my book. Then again, all women are crazy so what he does is really just common sense.[/QUOTE]

Freddy also had a couple of them die on him. Way cheaper than divorce. Tiger should have taken note.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;262819]Sort of hypocritical don't you think? Couples is known to be a major poon hound whether he's married or not. He divorced his first wife (who later killed herself), dumped his long-time second girlfriend and now his in-laws basically won't let him see the grand kids. He's known to be extremely selfish with his time and watches sports constantly. Did I forget to mention that Couples and Woods are really good friends?

Let me guess, you think Woods played in last year's Masters because of his pairing with Couples during a practice round. That's about as logical as your Romo comment.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, wood nails what Freddie passes up-the skanks.
As far as last years Masters? Where the hell did that dumb-@$$ drivel come from? The players decide who they're gonna play with in practice rouns, your 'boy' likes to tag along/ around Freddie-wishes he could be like him. I think wood thinks it might help his image if he hangs around/tags along Freddie because people like Freddie.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;262829]One other thing about Tiger's acceptance speeches I've always liked is that there has never been a reference of thankyou to 'my lord and saviour jesus christ'. Maybe old HH is a closet bible thumper who resents Tiger stealing so many 'jesus thanking' opportunities from the god fearing fraternity on tour. And Tiger's rcent public declaration of Buddhism would certainly burn up the bible thumper crackers.[/QUOTE]

Amazing.....what're you smoking? You come with crap out of the blue like that, it must be good stuff.........religion? Really?

[QUOTE=mongrel;262839]Freddy also had a couple of them die on him. Way cheaper than divorce. Tiger should have taken note.[/QUOTE]

Freds forgotten alot more about common sense, respect, and life in general than wood will ever learn. Wood is like a dog, he just reacts to situations-and I don't mean a real smart dog either...........

how does wood fell with Phil's shoe stuck up his arse everytime he has to play with him? Phil looks like he's really enjoying it too-good for him, class guy.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263085]how does wood fell with Phil's shoe stuck up his arse everytime he has to play with him? Phil looks like he's really enjoying it too-good for him, class guy.[/QUOTE]

Phil had one of those days where everything went right for him...lucky bounces, long putts going in, his driver going straight, etc. Meanwhile, Tiger hit great shots that ended up in divots, took horrible bounces and every putt he hit burned the edge of the hole.

Make no mistake about it, Tiger was distracted. It's got to be difficult playing with Phil. He's not very well liked amongst the members of the tour because he's a know-it-all and never stops talking about himself. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's a decent guy.

This tournament was a practice round for Tiger, just like every other tournament that isn't a major. I think he's pacing himself for The Masters.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;263121]Phil had one of those days where everything went right for him...lucky bounces, long putts going in, his driver going straight, etc. Meanwhile, Tiger hit great shots that ended up in divots, took horrible bounces and every putt he hit burned the edge of the hole.

Make no mistake about it, Tiger was distracted. It's got to be difficult playing with Phil. He's not very well liked amongst the members of the tour because he's a know-it-all and never stops talking about himself. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's a decent guy.

This tournament was a practice round for Tiger, just like every other tournament that isn't a major. I think he's pacing himself for The Masters.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, funny stuff! Practice round-NICE!

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263130]HAHA, funny stuff! Practice round-NICE![/QUOTE]

I know this is a stretch but maybe Tiger went ahead and let Mickelson win. Tiger knows that Mickelson is his toughest competitor at this year's Masters. Mickelson's only good for one or two wins a year so now he's already got one out of the way. Like I said, it seems like a stretch but I've seen stranger things out there...like Sooner's swing.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;263164]I know this is a stretch but maybe Tiger went ahead and let Mickelson win. Tiger knows that Mickelson is his toughest competitor at this year's Masters. Mickelson's only good for one or two wins a year so now he's already got one out of the way. Like I said, it seems like a stretch but I've seen stranger things out there...like Sooner's swing.[/QUOTE]

Dustin Johnson-after he gets by his own ill wills in later rounds, will win a couple of Masters in his career. Maybe he'll even bust through this year? Probably not, but he will. Maybe another 'kid' will win it this year, Quiros?

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263166]Dustin Johnson-after he gets by his own ill wills in later rounds, will win a couple of Masters in his career. Maybe he'll even bust through this year? Probably not, but he will. Maybe another 'kid' will win it this year, Quiros?[/QUOTE]


That Johnson closed postion at the top combined with his swing speed is an awfully tough combination with which to win a Major.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc;263182]That Johnson closed postion at the top combined with his swing speed is an awfully tough combination with which to win a Major.[/QUOTE]

Plus he's a stick figure. You know, like Kyle Stanley, the young dude who won last week. Not too many stick figures won majors. George Archer comes to mind. And Johnny Miller was a bit of a stick figure when he was young and on. But mostly the major winners have a bit more meat on their bones. Dustin either needs to bulk up a little bit or wear more loose fitting clothes so he doesn't so much look like a stick figure. And shave those sideburns up a good bit so he doesn't so much resemble the dude Bubba hires to tune up the General Lee.

Faldo wasn't a heavy-set guy, neither were Ben Crenshaw or Seve Ballesteros. Curtis Strange, Corey Pavin-where do you want me to stop?

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263229]Faldo wasn't a heavy-set guy, neither were Ben Crenshaw or Seve Ballesteros. Curtis Strange, Corey Pavin-where do you want me to stop?[/QUOTE]

What are you smoking? Faldo is friggin' huge. I saw him many years ago at the AT&T at Spyglass and the guys forearms are gigantic. Trust me, Faldo is a much bigger guy that he appears on TV. Part of the reason people don't see him as big is because of his personality and quiet nature. Faldo would dwarf Crenshaw, Seve and Pavin.

Curtis Strange has the personality of mud.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;263230]What are you smoking? Faldo is friggin' huge. I saw him many years ago at the AT&T at Spyglass and the guys forearms are gigantic. Trust me, Faldo is a much bigger guy that he appears on TV. Part of the reason people don't see him as big is because of his personality and quiet nature. Faldo would dwarf Crenshaw, Seve and Pavin.

[B][I]Curtis Strange has the personality of mud[/I][/B].[/QUOTE]

Curtis was a nasty SOB. Sort of like Snead. The uncle, not the nephew. Maybe it runs in the aquifer under the Commonwealth. By the way, when Curtis was winning his back-to-back US Opens, my average driving distance was about the same as his. Over 20 years later, I hit it farther than I did back then. But then I'm just trying to hit half the greens in regulation over 18 holes. Damn.

[QUOTE=mongrel;263237]Curtis was a nasty SOB. Sort of like Snead. The uncle, not the nephew. Maybe it runs in the aquifer under the Commonwealth. By the way, when Curtis was winning his back-to-back US Opens, my average driving distance was about the same as his. Over 20 years later, I hit it farther than I did back then. But then I'm just trying to hit half the greens in regulation over 18 holes. Damn.[/QUOTE]

I remember when everyone was talking about how Curtis Strange was such a great Captain's pick for the Ryder Cup. They fawned over him with his "steely determination" and "fiery competitive spirit". Of course, the fact that he hadn't won anything for several years was beside the point. He was a competitor, dammit.

He was tied with Faldo going into the 18th and hit a perfect drive down the middle. Faldo hit into the rough and then laid up. Curtis hits a flubbed 4 iron into the rough short of the green. Faldo pitches to about 7 feet. Curtis' chip flies way past the hole. Faldo makes his putt and wins the match and Europe has the cup. Bad pick.

[QUOTE=mongrel;263185]Plus he's a stick figure. You know, like Kyle Stanley, the young dude who won last week. Not too many stick figures won majors. George Archer comes to mind. And Johnny Miller was a bit of a stick figure when he was young and on. But mostly the major winners have a bit more meat on their bones. Dustin either needs to bulk up a little bit or wear more loose fitting clothes so he doesn't so much look like a stick figure. And shave those sideburns up a good bit so he doesn't so much resemble the dude Bubba hires to tune up the General Lee.[/QUOTE]
Don't knock the burns. Sidies are cool, growing up in the Elvis era you should know that. As for his physique, he may be lean but he's got a rep as one of the strongest guys on tour, especially in the hands and forearms where it really counts. Don't particularly like his swing, but he has the strength and talent to make it work for him. The only reason he doesn't have 2 majors to his name is the tightening of his collar down the stretch, not his swing. I'm thinking he has the talent and the temperament to be the next Greg Norman. Golf really needs another big time choker, we haven't seen a guy contending in multiple majors without winning since Sergio. As good as it was seeing Tiger close out all those majors, it was more fun in the 80s and 90s watching Norman dominate for 3 days then take the gas on the back nine on Sunday. Phil was more exciting before he started winning majors too. And there can be no argument that every golf fan would rather see Sergio choking when in contention in majors than missing cuts. Fan loved watching Monty lose US Open after US Open, and probably the best US Open finish in the last 20 years was when Monty and Phil both gagged on the 72nd hole.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;263244]Don't knock the burns. Sidies are cool, growing up in the Elvis era you should know that. As for his physique, he may be lean but he's got a rep as one of the strongest guys on tour, especially in the hands and forearms where it really counts. Don't particularly like his swing, but he has the strength and talent to make it work for him. The only reason he doesn't have 2 majors to his name is the tightening of his collar down the stretch, not his swing. I'm thinking he has the talent and the temperament to be the next Greg Norman. Golf really needs another big time choker, we haven't seen a guy contending in multiple majors without winning since Sergio. As good as it was seeing Tiger close out all those majors, it was more fun in the 80s and 90s watching Norman dominate for 3 days then take the gas on the back nine on Sunday. Phil was more exciting before he started winning majors too. And there can be no argument that every golf fan would rather see Sergio choking when in contention in majors than missing cuts. Fan loved watching Monty lose US Open after US Open, and probably the best US Open finish in the last 20 years was when Monty and Phil both gagged on the 72nd hole.[/QUOTE]

I'm not knocking burns. Damn, man, the first record I ever bought with my own money was the 45 with "Hound Dog" on the "A" side and I forget what on the "B" side. I think I was around nine years old. The old lady and I even made the Pilgrimage to Graceland on our honeymoon. And this was before the daughter got hold of the property and screwed everything up.

HOWEVER: There used to be a different standard of dress and comportment on the Tours. Today, it sems like there has been a rebellion against the Tour Player stereotype with the entire field made up of the prototypical clean-shaven, well-coifed slim male dressed just about like his other 149 peers except for shirt colors and discreet sponsor logos. No more. Now the damn guys look like NASCAR race cars with the logos plastered all over the place and bar codes and racing stripes down their backs. And it looks like the Tour has encouraged diversity of tonsorial and hair styles, too. So all I really mean by my snide comments about Johnson is that I think he would look and do much better in more traditional clothing losing a good amount of sideburns. He also has a somewhat surly attitude and I don't know whether that's insecurity or arrogance or a bit of both. Maybe he needs to go play on the European Tour for awhile and get a little humble and outgoing at the same time. He just never looks like he's having any fun out there. Maybe he could be the next Norman but a good bit of Norman's appeal was his personality, a quality Johnson seems to lack.

[QUOTE=famousdavis;263230]What are you smoking? Faldo is friggin' huge. I saw him many years ago at the AT&T at Spyglass and the guys forearms are gigantic. Trust me, Faldo is a much bigger guy that he appears on TV. Part of the reason people don't see him as big is because of his personality and quiet nature. Faldo would dwarf Crenshaw, Seve and Pavin.

Curtis Strange has the personality of mud.[/QUOTE]

The one I quoted made it sound like you ahd to be heavy-set to win a Major. Faldo is like 6' 4'' I think, but DEFINITELY not a fatty.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;263244]Don't knock the burns. Sidies are cool, growing up in the Elvis era you should know that. As for his physique, he may be lean but he's got a rep as one of the strongest guys on tour, especially in the hands and forearms where it really counts. Don't particularly like his swing, but he has the strength and talent to make it work for him. The only reason he doesn't have 2 majors to his name is the tightening of his collar down the stretch, not his swing. I'm thinking he has the talent and the temperament to be the next Greg Norman. Golf really needs another big time choker, we haven't seen a guy contending in multiple majors without winning since Sergio. As good as it was seeing Tiger close out all those majors, it was more fun in the 80s and 90s watching Norman dominate for 3 days then take the gas on the back nine on Sunday. Phil was more exciting before he started winning majors too. And there can be no argument that every golf fan would rather see Sergio choking when in contention in majors than missing cuts. Fan loved watching Monty lose US Open after US Open, and probably the best US Open finish in the last 20 years was when Monty and Phil both gagged on the 72nd hole.[/QUOTE]

Playing good for 3 rounds with his fans coming out of their seats in excitement, only to CHOKE out a 75 on Sunday.................sounds kinda like the new tiger wood!

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263319]Playing good for 3 rounds with his fans coming out of their seats in excitement, only to CHOKE out a 75 on Sunday.................sounds kinda like the new tiger wood![/QUOTE]

You are going to get your ass handed to you when Tiger wins the Masters.

Pebble Beach was just a light hearted warm up...

Tiger haters sicken me.

spank

[QUOTE=spanqdoggie;263320]You are going to get your ass handed to you when Tiger wins the Masters.

Pebble Beach was just a light hearted warm up...

Tiger haters sicken me.

spank[/QUOTE]

YIP-YIP-YIP! That crowd at Pebble cheering Phil was LOUD and sounded intelligent- 2 things wood won't hear at the Masters-people cheering his win and people cheering for him and sounding intelligent.

Phil Mickelson is on a REAL roll right now-can he keep it up through The Masters so he can keep tiger wood from winning?

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263458]Phil Mickelson is on a REAL roll right now-can he keep it up through The Masters so he can keep tiger wood from winning?[/QUOTE]

The only one who can keep tiger wood from winning the tournament in Augusta, Georgia, is tiger wood.

You're right mongrel, thats why I'm looking at somebody like Quiros or Dustin Johnson to win it this year-the big tall boys that hit the ball a mile. Maybe Phil can hang onto this roll he has going too, that would be a moment to remember for years-almost as good as 1986.

[QUOTE=huskyhater;263462]You're right mongrel, thats why I'm looking at somebody like Quiros or Dustin Johnson to win it this year-the big tall boys that hit the ball a mile. Maybe Phil can hang onto this roll he has going too, that would be a moment to remember for years-almost as good as 1986.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see Quiros win at The Masters because I think it would propel him to win many more tournaments. He's an exciting guy to watch. Phil's 9 iron shot at the 17th hole today was unbelievalbe. He hit a 9 iron that actually started out to the left and hooked back across the entire length of the Par 3 and landed diagonally toward the hole. It was cool hearing him and his caddie discuss the shot beforehand and then pulling it off perfectly.

It'll be interesting to see how long he can play this good, that was a pretty cool shot he pulled off.