Information on Thrivers

Hi

This is a public service announcement.

Their has been some discussion on another thread about what a Thriver is.

A Thriver is a the bastard love child of a Driver and a 3 wood. So the first thing to find is a High Loft/ High Launch/ High Trajectory Driver. These do take a little hunting down with e Bay a good starting place. Adams and Cleveland have all made these type of Drivers and have usually got around 15 - 17 Degrees of loft (dont bother if it has less than 14 degree as then its a 2 wood not a thriver). Quite often a Womens or Senior version will also have the required loft and make an excellent buy as they do not fetch a great feal of wonga. Dont be afraid of buying a womans version as you will need to pull the shaft anyway.

Next you will need to pull the shaft thats in it either yourself if you have the skill or Via a club builder. I have replaced the original with a True Temper S300 shaft cut to approx 5 wood length (40" ish) This is critically important as you do not want to have a driver length shaft, remember this is not about hitting a ball 330yds, more about being able to hit 280 but STRAIGHT. Dont be tempted to put a longer than 40"ish shaft as you loose the control you are trying to find.

You now have a Thriver, a driver size 460cc head with 15 - 17 degrees of loft and a 5 wood length shaft. Not as long as a Driver but in the hands of the average 10+ Handicapper about 85% of a driver distance but with a 90% better chance of finding the fairway.

I await the obligatory "girly manboob, f@ggot" comments in due course

Edgey

I've never tried or demo'd one, but the question I'd have would revolve around how easy it would be to hit one off the fairway with the deep face vs. a regular fairway wood. Intuitively, I'd expect that it could be a little harder to get a clean hit that would get some elevation vs. a more conventional fairway wood head.

However, I do strongly believe that anyone who tries any sort of unconventional approach to club selection should, of necessity, have one's sexual identity questioned. Comments about using the shaft as a back door dildo are also always welcome......

[QUOTE]but the question I'd have would revolve around how easy it would be to hit one off the fairway with the deep face vs. a regular fairway wood[/QUOTE]

Thats not really the point. I think Edgy is exclusively using the thriver off the tee. It makes a lot of sense if you struggle to find fairways. Less side spin due to increased loft, but still the added forgiveness for off-center impacts that you get from a 460cc head. Phil probably would have had a much better time in the US Open if he had put a thriver or biver (tm the purist) in the bag instead of a 12* 2w (with the smaller less forgiving head). (((edit* Phil wouldn't have backed 10 wedge shots in a row off the green if he had used the dull spinning Lovett wedge)))

Any real man can cut a thriver off the deck. Heck...Some of the 400 yrd power faders may find it easier to hold the green when driving par 4s using a thriver.

[QUOTE=The Purist]Thats not really the point. I think Edgy is exclusively using the thriver off the tee. It makes a lot of sense if you struggle to find fairways. Less side spin due to increased loft, but still the added forgiveness for off-center impacts that you get from a 460cc head. Phil probably would have had a much better time in the US Open if he had put a thriver or biver (tm the purist) in the bag instead of a 12* 2w (with the smaller less forgiving head).

Any real man can cut a thriver off the deck. Heck...Some of the 400 yrd power faders may find it easier to hold the green when driving par 4s using a thriver.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the main purpose would be as a "safe driver," with more forgiveness than teeing off with a typical 3 wood. I was just voicing curiosity about its purported use as a dual function club.

Thanks for info info, Edgey, as i'm very interested in having one of those gizmos built.

You didn't address headweight, however. If you put a titnium driver head on a 5-wood length shaft, it will swing at about a C5. Something needs to be done about that.

Also, you pulled that 280 yard number, as Betty's subjects are likely to say, right out of your arse, right? I will assume a typo and that you meant 230 or so.

Other than that, however, I also think that the 'thriver" is an excellent idea.

Couldn't you just choke down on your driver?

[QUOTE=Puma with a putter]Couldn't you just choke down on your driver?[/QUOTE]

How exactly does that add loft?

[QUOTE=Puma with a putter]Couldn't you just choke down on your driver?[/QUOTE]
I think he's looking for something with a little more backspin; higher RPM's in an attempt to cut down on sidespin and to get a higher, straighter ball flight.

Why not spend time on the range and make friends with a "real" driver, you flaming faggot!?

(This is posted by a guy who hits a Nike SASQUATCH Lucky 13* off the tee. But, I at least have a stiff, mid-kick shaft in it so I can at least claim one testicle to my anatomy.)

[QUOTE=The Purist]How exactly does that add loft?[/QUOTE]


Kawph! ... You got me on that one.

I still get my 9* driver a little higher then I'd like sometimes, I can't imagine trying to hit a 13*+

[QUOTE=DeadlySight]I still get my 9* driver a little higher then I'd like sometimes, I can't imagine trying to hit a 13*+[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm with DS on this one. I also occasionally hit my 10.5* driver too high. To me a Thriver sounds like a lay up or accuracy type club. I just hit 3 wood or hybrid or even 4 iron off the tee if I'm looking for that sort of result.

The thriver is not duplicated by choking down or by using a three wood or by laying up with a hybrid. It's a completely diffferent club that, if you have moderate swing speed, will go almost as far as the driver, only straighter..

Part of it depends on how you play golf. I only hit driver on four, sometimes five holes at my club. I like to have more control over the location of my second shot. If the landing area doesn't look the size of a pasture, my driver stays right in the bag.

With thriver, I'm thinking I might be able to hit the smaller big dog on seven or eight holes.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]Thanks for info info, Edgey, as i'm very interested in having one of those gizmos built.

You didn't address headweight, however. If you put a titnium driver head on a 5-wood length shaft, it will swing at about a C5. Something needs to be done about that.

Also, you pulled that 280 yard number, as Betty's subjects are likely to say, right out of your arse, right? I will assume a typo and that you meant 230 or so.

Other than that, however, I also think that the 'thriver" is an excellent idea.[/QUOTE]

Hi Niblick

I have not the first idea of swingweight etc. The club swings just fine to me as it is :D

The 280yd is based on my Skycaddie yardages, but in the winter it is about 250yd. I can hit a driver over 300yds but without any idea where it will end up. My experience is that nearly all 10+ chopper handicap golfers hit a 3 wood as far as a driver (exc GR heroes), most men hit a driver due to testosterone and penis envy.

This is a driving only club i dont use fairway woods at all, and i agree that hitting a 460cc club off a fairway is going to be............challenging :rolleyes:

I imagine that most of the muscle marys on here would rather gouge their own eyes out than admit to hitting a thriver, but then i am a better golfer than most of them because the ends justify the means :cool:

Edgey

When I Struggle Hitting Fairways, Albeit Not Often, I Grip Down, Take A Couple Inches Off The Club, Lose 10-20 Yards, And Hit A High Ball Thats More Efected By Wind Now, High Balls Dont Hit Fairways As Often Either.

A driver clubhead has a higher CG than a fairway wood, 12. Even a 15° driver will not fly the ball as high as a 15° spoon if you don't play the ball too much further left in your stance.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick] I only hit driver on four, sometimes five holes at my club. I like to have more control over the location of my second shot. If the landing area doesn't look the size of a pasture, my driver stays right in the bag.

With thriver, I'm thinking I might be able to hit the smaller big dog on seven or eight holes.[/QUOTE]

I usually use Driver on about 11 holes at my club but I could use it on 12-13 of the holes if I wanted to. So the driver is the second most used club in the bag after my putter.

[QUOTE=12sandwich]When I Struggle Hitting Fairways, Albeit Not Often, I Grip Down, Take A Couple Inches Off The Club, Lose 10-20 Yards, And Hit A High Ball Thats More Efected By Wind Now, High Balls Dont Hit Fairways As Often Either.[/QUOTE]
When I Am Struggling To Find The Fairway, I Always Resort To Capitalizing Every Letter In A Sentence. It Makes The Message So Much Easier To Read.

[QUOTE=dorkman53]When I Am Struggling To Find The Fairway, I Always Resort To Capitalizing Every Letter In A Sentence. It Makes The Message So Much Easier To Read.[/QUOTE]

Does It Efect Your Driving Accuracy?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Does It Efect Your Driving Accuracy?[/QUOTE]


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OK, I'm looking to do this "thriver" thing. I am watching some Nike Sasquatch Sweet 16* drivers on ebay right now. My plan is to buy one of these (I currently use a Nike Sasquatch Lucky 13* with a mid kick shaft in my driver and like the Sasquatch driver head) and pull the sorry regular shaft out. Then, I plan on putting my 3 wood shaft or 5 wood shaft (I do not use these clubs) from a couple of other sets I put together. The shafts are stiff Graphics Design shafts and are very quality.

I'll just try this deal and see how it works. Edgey has proven to me that he possesses a little higher degree of intelligence than most Europeans, which still places him far below an Oklahoman but I'm willing to listen to him on this.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]OK, I'm looking to do this "thriver" thing. I am watching some Nike Sasquatch Sweet 16* drivers on ebay right now. My plan is to buy one of these (I currently use a Nike Sasquatch Lucky 13* with a mid kick shaft in my driver and like the Sasquatch driver head) and pull the sorry regular shaft out. Then, I plan on putting my 3 wood shaft or 5 wood shaft (I do not use these clubs) from a couple of other sets I put together. The shafts are stiff Graphics Design shafts and are very quality.

I'll just try this deal and see how it works. Edgey has proven to me that he possesses a little higher degree of intelligence than most Europeans, which still places him far below an Oklahoman but I'm willing to listen to him on this.[/QUOTE]

Sooner old friend

If i had 2 more brain cells i could have been a police dog:D

I will be interested to hear your experiences if you manage to build a Thriver. Never tried a Nike Sweet 16 but it sounds like an excellent platform for a Thriver. Keep me in the loop as to how you get on.

Edgey

The Nakashima Htec 460 15° component clubhead is another thing worth considering as the starting point of a thriver..

You can see it at Nak's website. The good thing is that it offers some options on the other parameters beside loft---face angle, lie angle, headweight, etc.

Might be too complicated to build it yourself, however, unless you're a trained clubmaker. Or maybe not. I don't know.

I successfully won and purchased a NIKE Sasquatch Sweet 16* driver with regular shaft off ebay. As soon as I get it, I will pull the shaft out and put either my Graphics Design stiff 3 wood shaft or 5 wood shaft in the head. I don't use either one of these particular clubs because I don't hit fairway woods good, but the shafts are of great quality and should perform well as thriver shafts.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I successfully won and purchased a NIKE Sasquatch Sweet 16* driver with regular shaft off ebay. As soon as I get it, I will pull the shaft out and put either my Graphics Design stiff 3 wood shaft or 5 wood shaft in the head. I don't use either one of these particular clubs because I don't hit fairway woods good, but the shafts are of great quality and should perform well as thriver shafts.[/QUOTE]

Well done Sooner

You are on the road to more fairways, lower scores and happier golf.

My advice is dont put the 3 wood shaft in it, use the 5 wood. Shorter shaft = more control with very little loss of distance. Remember a Thriver is about accuracy not outright distance.

Let me know how you get on.

edgey

[QUOTE=edgey]Well done Sooner

You are on the road to more fairways, lower scores and happier golf.

[B]My advice is dont put the 3 wood shaft in it, use the 5 wood. Shorter shaft = more control with very little loss of distance. Remember a Thriver is about accuracy not outright distance.[/B]

Let me know how you get on.

edgey[/QUOTE]


OK, thanks, I'll do that . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/sae/beer.gif[/img]

My golfing friend, who also does a lot of club work, put together my Thriver. Whenever I saw it, I was pissed. He had taken an S300 shaft I use to have on a 3 wood and put the Sasquatch Sweet 16* head on it. "I freaking told you I wanted the Exsar graphite shaft from my 3 wood taken out and put in the head! I don't like those S300 shafts, their too freaking heavy!" "Just try it and see how you like it," he told me. So, I went out and played a round with him today. I hate to admit it, but I may never use a regular driver again. The shafts were heavy, but for some reason I hit the Thriver the same distance I hit my regular driver but with better consistency. We did have a 25 MPH wind today and I had to tee it really low to hit into the wind or it would balloon too easily. But other than that, I was very pleased and will likely not even look to put a graphite shaft in it.

The 3 wood length and 16* head gave me just enough control over the ball to consistently be in the fairway almost every time. the thing I couldn't believe was that I didn't lose much yardage with it. Also, I used it as a 3 wood on 3 occasions with great success. I didn't have any trouble hitting the 460 cc head off the deck at all with the 16*.

The thriver so far is a huge success and will likely be a permanent part of my bag.

Let's see, graphite shafts in the irons and steel on the driver? I definitely would be shaking my head in disbelief if I got paired with you. I'd be looking for the brush tee, ice balls, hat clip ball marker on the visor, abacus style stroke counter, or any other implement that cries out "hacker".

I do think your a bit confused S-BS. But, hey, if it works for you what the hell.

I've got one too--a 42" Nak 15º--if I ever go to pick it up.

When I take the gestapo to the club for dinner, the pro shop is always closed.

If I take her for lunch, the pro shop might be open and I'll have to actually pay for the work. May as well wait until I can hit it.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Let's see, graphite shafts in the irons and steel on the driver? I definitely would be shaking my head in disbelief if I got paired with you. I'd be looking for the brush tee, ice balls, hat clip ball marker on the visor, abacus style stroke counter, or any other implement that cries out "hacker".

I do think your a bit confused S-BS. But, hey, if it works for you what the hell.[/QUOTE]


It's the new wave in golfing, Poe, come catch the wave and be a winner with me . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/sae/surfing.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]My golfing friend, who also does a lot of club work, put together my Thriver. Whenever I saw it, I was pissed. He had taken an S300 shaft I use to have on a 3 wood and put the Sasquatch Sweet 16* head on it. "I freaking told you I wanted the Exsar graphite shaft from my 3 wood taken out and put in the head! I don't like those S300 shafts, their too freaking heavy!" "Just try it and see how you like it," he told me. So, I went out and played a round with him today. I hate to admit it, but I may never use a regular driver again. The shafts were heavy, but for some reason I hit the Thriver the same distance I hit my regular driver but with better consistency. We did have a 25 MPH wind today and I had to tee it really low to hit into the wind or it would balloon too easily. But other than that, I was very pleased and will likely not even look to put a graphite shaft in it.

The 3 wood length and 16* head gave me just enough control over the ball to consistently be in the fairway almost every time. the thing I couldn't believe was that I didn't lose much yardage with it. Also, I used it as a 3 wood on 3 occasions with great success. I didn't have any trouble hitting the 460 cc head off the deck at all with the 16*.

The thriver so far is a huge success and will likely be a permanent part of my bag.[/QUOTE]

Sooner i have a tear in my eye, welcome to the club

Edgey

From the sounds of your game I'd have to regress to be "a winner".

Thanks but I'll stick to my traditional approach on this matter. If I want to hit a tight fairway I'll use my 16*h, 20*h, or even my 3 iron. If I'm not hitting the driver well than these clubs would serve me just as well as your thriver would. My misses have little to do with my ability to hit the ball on the center of the club face but more to do with swing path/face angle and having a big head on a short stick doesn't have any place in my game.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]From the sounds of your game I'd have to regress to be "a winner".

Thanks but I'll stick to my traditional approach on this matter. If I want to hit a tight fairway I'll use my 16*h, 20*h, or even my 3 iron. If I'm not hitting the driver well than these clubs would serve me just as well as your thriver would. My misses have little to do with my ability to hit the ball on the center of the club face but more to do with swing path/face angle and having a big head on a short stick doesn't have any place in my game.[/QUOTE]


Good for you, Poe.

Seriously, dude, with the technology in the game today, we have all kinds of available options to experiment with what fits us best. Don't you agree? Have you ever bought new clubs of any kind in your life? Was it because your old ones were wore out, or was it because you wanted to try something new to see if you would like it for your game better? Some guys on here would goof on your choice to to use a hybrid in your golf game. I'm not because it apparently fits your game well. You have taken advantage of the technology available to you in a way that compliments your game style.

I experiment with clubs and different equipment because first, I can, and secondly, I am looking to see if it will cut a stroke or two and fit my game better. I have stumbled on to something with this Thriver that seems to fit my game well. I don't like to use hybrids, but I get along well using my irons and driver. So far, the thriver with the S300 shaft seems to compliment my swing, so I'll use it if it means hitting more fairways and giving me options on 2nd shots on long par 5s.

Hey, if you thought wearing a skirt when you golf would help I wouldn't care. To each his own. It doesn't mean I wouldn't laugh or give you shiat about it.

I commend you for having the balls to step out there and try unconventional approaches to the game. Thrivers are fine if you need one but they are a crutch just like the Moobs' 2 driver approach or anyone using a long putter. The only exception I would give to the thriver crutch theory is an older slow swinging gentleman, someone with a physical handicap, or maybe the mentally weak.

As my hybrids go, I don't really give a shiat what anyone thinks. Any shiat I get usually stops after I hit my 16* hybrid as long as most people hit their drives.

I used to buy clubs often when I started out. But over the last couple of years I've put a bag together that suits my current skills and game. I was considering buying new irons this spring but I'm starting to change my mind. I'm considering spending this money on a trip to AZ for a long weekend filled with many rounds of golf and practice. Hard choice but I think the golf and sun are going to win out over buying new clubs.

When hybrids came into popular use, they didn't look right to me so I avoided them. When they filtered into my playing groups, they still didn't look right. When some of these guys, who are more traditionalist than not, began to make better swings from long iron distances and advanced and controlled the ball from rough I'd have to lay up out of, they began to look alot better.

Now that I'm carrying one, I'm not sure my 3 iron looks right.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]As my hybrids go, I don't really give a shiat what anyone thinks. Any shiat I get usually stops after I hit my 16* hybrid as long as most people hit their drives. [/QUOTE]

As my Thriver go's, i dont really give a shite what anyone thinks. Any shite i get usually stops after i hit my 16* Thriver as long as most people hit their drives.

Here, here Poe. Spoken like a trooper.

Edgey

[quote=lorenzoinoc]When hybrids came into popular use, they didn't look right to me so I avoided them. ........Now that I'm carrying one, I'm not sure my 3 iron looks right.[/quote]

I never thought that hybrids looked that bad. They reminded me of those long necked wooden cleeks from the 1800s that you might see in museums or old collections.

I've got three very good new ones in my Rapture V2s. But frankly, they're neither fish nor fowl. They don't really launch easily over trees and stuff like 5, 7, and 9-woods do, nor do they descend as vertically to make those deep ball marks and stop. They don't bore through the wind and land hot like long irons do. (The hollow long iron type hybrids, MP Fli-Hi etc., play much like conventional irons.)

Hybrids may very well be the way to go with new players starting today. For a veteran like myself, who's played both long irons and full-size lofted fairway woods for a long time, they're more like just another option than a miracle club.











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I was concerned with hybrid trajectory too. Most courses I play, the high ball's important. I'm finding I can play a slight cut and get good trajectory and also move the ball forward and get the same result. I messed around with a friend's Nickent with a V2 shaft a while back and it wasn't as easy to get height as with my setup.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]I've got one too--a 42" Nak 15º--if I ever go to pick it up.

When I take the gestapo to the club for dinner, the pro shop is always closed.

If I take her for lunch, the pro shop might be open and I'll have to actually pay for the work. May as well wait until I can hit it.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good Nift

Let me know how you get on with it

Regards

Edgey

Went out again today and played a round. I NEVER missed the fairway with the Thriver. Every situation I used it in it hit right where I aimed it with great distance. I am going to go ahead and put a stiff graphite shaft in it though, but I don't think it's going to change the accuracy any at all. This is turning in to quite a weapon, guys . . . . . .

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I was concerned with hybrid trajectory too. Most courses I play, the high ball's important. I'm finding I can play a slight cut and get good trajectory and also move the ball forward and get the same result. I messed around with a friend's Nickent with a V2 shaft a while back and it wasn't as easy to get height as with my setup.[/QUOTE]

I was a slow convert to hybrids like yourself. I liked hitting my long irons and wasn't sure about them. When I did eventually try them the results were mixed as I couldn't seem to find one that I didn't severely hook from time to time. I kept trying, even tried a neutral baised titty 585h with S300 steel shafts; but no dice. Then I stumbled across my sonartec hb1 21* and it has been great. It was so long I chucked out the 5 wood and still kept the 3 iron, and now have managable gaps. One of the reasons it is a keeper is it is so easy to hit well! That makes it invaluable as a go to club when I'm not confident in what to pull. The shot shape and tradjectory is also very different to the 3 iron so their is no real overlap in their use.

[quote=SoonerBS]Went out again today and played a round. I NEVER missed the fairway with the Thriver. Every situation I used it in it hit right where I aimed it with great distance. I am going to go ahead and put a stiff graphite shaft in it though, but I don't think it's going to change the accuracy any at all. This is turning in to quite a weapon, guys . . . . . .[/quote]

Use a [B][I][U]heavy [/U][/I][/B]graphite shaft if you want it to feel the same, Sooner.

I've got a beauty...shiny and ready to go...and months to wait before I can play it. We have two seasons where I live--the Fourth of July and winter.

The guy who plows my driveway has left a mound that might very seriously still be there on Fathers Day / US Open weekend, assuming it's still the same weekend.

I should install a ski lift and make a few bucks off of it.
I'll sell some of those proletarian cold cut sandwiches that Lorenzo finds so impressive.

Hi

"I have nothing to declare but my genius"

Edgey

[QUOTE=oldplayer]I was a slow convert to hybrids like yourself. I liked hitting my long irons and wasn't sure about them. When I did eventually try them the results were mixed as I couldn't seem to find one that I didn't severely hook from time to time. I kept trying, even tried a neutral baised titty 585h with S300 steel shafts; but no dice. Then I stumbled across my sonartec hb1 21* and it has been great. It was so long I chucked out the 5 wood and still kept the 3 iron, and now have managable gaps. One of the reasons it is a keeper is it is so easy to hit well! That makes it invaluable as a go to club when I'm not confident in what to pull. The shot shape and tradjectory is also very different to the 3 iron so their is no real overlap in their use.[/QUOTE]

My Sonartec is no more susceptible to hooks than my long irons. Not at all what I was expecting. I suspect alot of hybrids are geared to avoid the slice and wouldn't work too well for me.

[quote=lorenzoinoc]My Sonartec is no more susceptible to hooks than my long irons. Not at all what I was expecting. I suspect alot of hybrids are geared to avoid the slice and wouldn't work too well for me.[/quote]

A lot of hybrids are geared to the slice because of stupid marketing. A too upright, closed face hybrid is inexcusable.

Their [I]real[/I] value is that they're better out of the rough for all players and elevate the ball more easily for slow swing speed players. Lofted woods are still better yet for both of these things, but could be a little less accurate for their longer shafts. Also, they have a ladies/seniors rep to them that turns many guys off.

I believe in game improvement measures for slower swingspeeds and hitting the ball over over the face, but not for bad swing planes. If you slice, stop slicing. It really isn't hard. Show your lack of freakish Tour consistency by mixing up your pushes and hooks like a real player of the game.

there was a time when it would be the driver, which was the most difficult club to hit in ones bag... but with MOI's around 6000, 460cc clubheads, and COR's at the limit, imo it is no longer the case... we have a better understanding of weighting, proper shaft choices, lofts, and what we need to spin the ball at...

the driver is the easiest club to hit in the bag today, not the hardest...

im not trying to flame here, but if you need a 16* THREE WOOD in a 460cc clubhead just to find the FW... i would suggest you make some swing changes...

[QUOTE=pingman360]there was a time when it would be the driver, which was the most difficult club to hit in ones bag... but with MOI's around 6000, 460cc clubheads, and COR's at the limit, imo it is no longer the case... we have a better understanding of weighting, proper shaft choices, lofts, and what we need to spin the ball at...

the driver is the easiest club to hit in the bag today, not the hardest...

im not trying to flame here, but if you need a 16* THREE WOOD in a 460cc clubhead just to find the FW... i would suggest you make some swing changes...[/QUOTE]

Ditto that.. i'm self taught but would rather be called a chopper for duffing a traditional 3 wood then to play a thriver. WTF is that? Learn to groove your swing and everything else will fall into place.

I have much less faith in the OEMs to get it right than do most, I think. I like the thriver concept because it addresses a perceived need, it seems to work although I haven't tried mine yet, and it represents some independent thinking.

I've personally got a thing about numbers on golf clubs. I don't think a 15° wood is really a #3, because it didn't become a three until decades after I started playing the game. A REAL 3-wood is about 17 or 18°. (The first Taylor Made metal 3-wood was 19°--you can look it up.)

Same with a 42° 9 iron which was an 8-iron for most of my life. It shouldn't matter, but I just don't like it.

Most drivers don't have a "1" on them anymore, but my custom ordered Louiseville fairway woods don't have numbers either--just lofts. (This was common for a while, but didn't sell, so numbers on fairway woods came back in most lines.) My Epon driving iron, unlike, say, a similar MP Fli-HI, has no number on it either, just the loft.

But when my new CGT irons arrive, NONE of them will have numbers on them either. I've decided that I don't like numbers and have done something about it. I won't have a single club in my bag named with an arbitrary number. (I don't believe that Bobby Jones did, either.)

Also different is that they will be made in 5°, 5/8" increments. That's my idea as well--one that I've been mulling for more years than I care to admit. It brings my set configuration down to thirteen clubs, so I can try whatever I fancy in a given round and still be within the 14-club limit. I might go with a thriver and a also conventional driver for wide open, grip it and rip it holes.

Although few would admit it, I think that LOTS of linksters are uncomfortable doing anything other than what conforms to the current conventions. They perceive it as a sign of weakness. I perceive it as a sign of independent thought. I very well remember the howls of derision at the first lob wedges, but people take them for granted now.

Have a little immagination, guys. If somebody laughs at your clubs, just part his hair with your new lob wedge.

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[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]
I've personally got a thing about numbers on golf clubs. I don't think a 15° wood is really a #3, because it didn't become a three until decades after I started playing the game. A REAL 3-wood is about 17 or 18°. (The first Taylor Made metal 3-wood was 19°--you can look it up.)

Same with a 42° 9 iron which was an 8-iron for most of my life. It shouldn't matter, but I just don't like it.

Most drivers don't have a "1" on them anymore, but my custom ordered Louiseville fairway woods don't have numbers either--just lofts. (This was common for a while, but didn't sell, so numbers on fairway woods came back in most lines.) My Epon driving iron, unlike, say, a similar MP Fli-HI, has no number on it either, just the loft.

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but this is 2009 and thats the standard now... it doesnt really matter whether you hit a W for 150 or 1 6i... all that matters is that you get it in the hole in the fewest amount of strokes possible...

in regards thrivers... i think all they do is mask a bigger problem for most (maybe not seniors and such) and rather than address this problem you put a band-aid on it...

[quote=pingman360] ... all that matters is that you get it in the hole in the fewest amount of strokes possible...[quote]

I don't disagree with this assessment. The numbers thing was more something in my head than a practical problem, but the stuff in one's head is no less real that the stuff on the ground.

A way to scratch the itch became available to me, so I took advantage.

Now I look forward to thinking about executing shots instead of obsessing about kit (like that vocab, edgey?).

[QUOTE=pingman360] all that matters is that you get it in the hole in the fewest amount of strokes possible...

in regards thrivers... i think all they do is mask a bigger problem for most (maybe not seniors and such) and rather than address this problem you put a band-aid on it...[/QUOTE]

Pingman i am afraid their is an incongruity between your first and second statement here.

If all that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes whats you problem with: -

Thrivers. What does it matter if they mask a swing flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

Long Putters. What does it matter if they mask a putting flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

(Insert any golf eqpt you like here) What does it matter if they mask a .......... flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

Since when did it become unacceptable to use perfectly legal eqpt to get the ball in the hole in the fewest number of strokes BECAUSE it allows you to do it with less practice.

Get a life chaps

Edgey

[QUOTE=edgey]Pingman i am afraid their is an incongruity between your first and second statement here.

If all that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes whats you problem with: -

Thrivers. What does it matter if they mask a swing flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

Long Putters. What does it matter if they mask a putting flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

(Insert any golf eqpt you like here) What does it matter if they mask a .......... flaw? All that matters is getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes, right..

Since when did it become unacceptable to use perfectly legal eqpt to get the ball in the hole in the fewest number of strokes BECAUSE it allows you to do it with less practice.

Get a life chaps

Edgey[/QUOTE]

what happens when you start spraying the thriver all over the place??? do you make adjustments to the club... maybe go heavier, maybe go more loft???

i say fix the swing... thats all... sure you can play well with a band-aid, but it doesnt last...

[quote=pingman360]what happens when you start spraying the thriver all over the place??? [/quote]

The options are still limitless: pool, bowling, poker, a 20 year old girlfriend,....

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]The options are still limitless: pool, bowling, poker, a 20 year old girlfriend,....[/QUOTE]


haha... yeah thats what i thought... lol...

[QUOTE=Myfast]Ditto that.. [B]i'm self taught but would rather be called a chopper for duffing a traditional 3 wood then to play a thriver[/B]. WTF is that? Learn to groove your swing and everything else will fall into place.[/QUOTE]

This has to be the most asinine post I've read to date. Why don't you just admit to the fact that you enjoy shooting over 100 every time out. Like I've stated in another thread, please don't stop at "hitting your traditional 3 wood," by all means go retro and load a dynamic gold stiff steel shaft in your driver, hickory wood shafts in your irons, and load up some balata covered balls that you can hit smilies in all day. Come play a round with me and see if you call me a chopper after I've hit my thriver 50 yards past your best drive -- and my ball is sitting in the middle of the fairway while you are searching for your ball in the treeline.

[img]http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/heroes-smileys-64589/australian.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=pingman360]what happens when you start spraying the thriver all over the place??? do you make adjustments to the club... maybe go heavier, maybe go more loft???

i say fix the swing... thats all... sure you can play well with a band-aid, but it doesnt last...[/QUOTE]


I'll let you know whenever the Thriver starts spraying all over the place. So far, after 4 rounds with it, it is nothing but consistent. I went out today in 47 degree temperatures and come up 1 stroke shy of my goal I had set for this year -- breaking into the 70s. I golfed an 80.

I don't hit my driver bad, and I have to hit it into the wind, but I actually drive my thriver longer than my driver with the wind and have more confidence of it hitting the fairway. Confidence means everything in this game, guys. My swing is not bad, but it could be better. Why can't I continue to work on my swing and still be able to claim hitting the fairway? It absolutely makes no sense to me to not take advantage of the equipment of my choice that will result in better scores.

I guess I could be like Myfast and look good duffing 3 woods off the tee . . . .

Cute smiley Sooner and congratulations on the low round today.

Don't get your panties in a bunch over my opinion. I just couldn't imagine carrying two 460cc clubs one of them dubbed a 'thriver' when I hit my 15* 3 wood just as well and nearly as long as my driver on occasions.

Do you also own a niblick?

[QUOTE=Myfast]Cute smiley Sooner and congratulations on the low round today.

Don't get your panties in a bunch over my opinion. I just couldn't imagine carrying two 460cc clubs one of them dubbed a 'thriver' when I hit my 15* 3 wood just as well and nearly as long as my driver on occasions.

Do you also own a niblick?[/QUOTE]

I absolutely don't know why it is, but I can hit my driver and thriver off the turf with ease and shoot them straight down the fairway with their big 460 cc heads and all, but I cannot hit a 3 wood, 5 wood, or a hybrid of any kind with any consistency. I don't know if it is the small wood heads or what the problem is. On the other hand, I have trouble hitting shovels off the turf, but I can hit my trimmed down, less offset MP52s like I hit no other irons. My game play is a bit strange, . . . . . . . . but it's getting better.

Congrats on the round Sooner, 80 is a good score (I'm assuming it's a par 72 here).

Can't agree on the thriver though. If you start shooting low scores consistently you will have to drop that form the bag and pick up a strong 3 wood or 1 iron.

Part of the problem here is that detractors are seeing the 'thriver' as a crutch, when in fact, it is a strategy.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]Part of the problem here is that detractors are seeing the 'thriver' as a crutch, when in fact, it is a strategy.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. I don't use the Thriver on every par 4 or 5. The wide open holes or the ones into the wind get spanked with my driver. The holes with tighter fairways or the ones downwind get my thriver. It's like a two driver system really. The only thing is, I'm embarrassed to name the guy who started the two driver system. It IS definitely a strategy though and not a crutch.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]Part of the problem here is that detractors are seeing the 'thriver' as a crutch, when in fact, it is a strategy.[/QUOTE]

and we all saw how well that worked for mickelson at the 08 US Open...

Call it what you want but I have the same club in my bag but I call it a 16* hybrid (weak 3w). You should also probably look into getting one of these. Although you'll probably have to special order it if you want it with a graphite shaft.
[IMG]http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll152/poe4soul/odysseychipper.jpg[/IMG]

Same idea. You have an 8 iron but these are much easier to use. Thriver = hacker. The only exception would be 1) if your old or handicapped, 2) if you are a girl.

I just love how players that have never tried or used something always seem to be the experts on the subject . . . . . . let's see, what is that saying about opinions and arseholes?

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I just love how players that have never tried or used something always seem to be the experts on the subject . . . . . . let's see, what is that saying about opinions and arseholes?[/QUOTE]

i have a three wood.... that means ive used one... just not a 460cc one...

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I just love how players that have never tried or used something always seem to be the experts on the subject . . . . . . let's see, what is that saying about opinions and arseholes?[/QUOTE]
I don't really care one way or another, but there is no chance in hell I would waste a spot in my bag on a "thriver." I already have a club of the same loft that does fine off the tee, and can be used from the rough or off the deck. Good luck hitting a thriver with a marginal lie in the rough. It's a one dimensional club that has the exact same function as my other one dimensional club (driver).
Plus, there's the gay factor which has been eloquently stated by everyone else. The acid test as to a club's gayness is its place in edgey's bag.

This issue is begging for a poll.

[QUOTE=Horseballs]I don't really care one way or another, but there is no chance in hell I would waste a spot in my bag on a "thriver." I already have a club of the same loft that does fine off the tee, and can be used from the rough or off the deck. Good luck hitting a thriver with a marginal lie in the rough. [B]It's a one dimensional club that has the exact same function as my other one dimensional club (driver).[/B]
Plus, there's the gay factor which has been eloquently stated by everyone else. The acid test as to a club's gayness is its place in edgey's bag.[/QUOTE]

This is not true, HB, as I have already stated, I can hit my thriver off the turf with the 460 cc head better than I hit a 3 wood and have used it extensively for that purpose on Par 5s on my course with great success. As for hitting it out of the rough . . . . . . . well, I've never had to do that because it always lands in the fairway since I am using the thriver off the tee . . . . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/glasses10.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=pingman360]i have a three wood.... that means ive used one... just not a 460cc one...[/QUOTE]

Nice oxymoron . . . .

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]This issue is begging for a poll.[/QUOTE]


Ok by me, everyone who has used a REAL thriver can vote . . . . . . I guess that's just me an edgey, so the AYEs have it . . . . . [img]http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/heroes-smileys-64589/politician3.gif[/img]

[quote=pingman360]and we all saw how well that worked for mickelson at the 08 US Open...[/quote]

I will speak only for myself.

1. I can play within the rules using [B]ANY [/B]fourteen clubs which conform to the rules.

2. I have fifty years plus experience in the game. I would have to be a completely pathetic lemming to put more faith in convention than in my own observations as to what equipment is good for my game.

It's a poor trade to be sure, but at the expense of my youth and my prime, I'm at a place in my life where I can go to the custom vendors and get what [B][I][U][SIZE=4]I[/SIZE][/U][/I][/B] want.

The major OEMs are perfectly able but equally unwilling to manufacture a golf club that's of any use to me. They've done good things with new technology and new materials, and then ruined it all with the simple mechanical settings.

All modern major OEM equipment, IN MY OPINION, suffers these ills:

lofts too strong
faces too closed
lies too upright
shaft droop allowances very excessive
too much bounce on trailing edges
loft increments gapped too narrowly
numbering systems non-sensical.

In other words, it if fits you, God bless you, but to me, it's all sh*t.

Having spoken for myself, I also suspect an element of peer pressure conformity going into the choices of many players. On the surface, we'd all admit that succumbing to peer pressure beyond junior high school age is pretty pathetic indeed, and yet just read some of the posts here. My clubs are macho and your clubs are gay. Arrested development, don't you think?

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Nice oxymoron . . . .[/QUOTE]

how is that an oxymoron???

[quote=pingman360]how is that an oxymoron???[/quote]

"Y" means "and" in spanish, doesn't it?

Maybe Sooner is calling you an ox and a moron.

Just trying to help.

[QUOTE=pingman360]how is that an oxymoron???[/QUOTE]

I guess an oxymoron is not the right term since technically you did not use two contradicting elements in the same sentence, you just used two unrelated items in the same sentence and said you had played both, but had not played a Thriver. A thriver has a 3 wood loft, but a driver size head and a 5 wood length. So, you have not played a thriver you have played a 3 wood which makes your point totally non legitimate. Sorry.

There's a hole at my club where I'm anxious to see if the thriver or driver is best utilized.

It is listed as a five hundred yard (even) par 5, but that's following the double dog leg diagram of the hole. It can actually play MUCH shorter.

If you hit driver (or even thriver) down the right side of the fairway, you're directly into a big, almost triangular shaped pond, and by a wide margin. To follow the diagram of the hole, you hit a long or middle iron down the right side, hit a seven iron or such diagonally to the left, and then, revesring direction in reverse "Z" fashion, just bite off a tiny corner of the water with a wedge onto the green. You can avoid any forced carry altogether hitting a longer club 2nd shot to the left, but that would lengthen the hole.

However, you can gamble hitting a 240 or 250 yard shot down the left side of the fairway over and into a stand of trees. That's short-mown fairway, not rough, just past the well spaced trees, and very playable rough right amongst them. If you don't land behind one, or hit one on the way, you've got a barely 200 yard shot over the water to the green. I've seen Jan Stephenson, not a long hitter, hit a 5 or 7 wood well past the hole at a charity event here, and I myself have made both eagle and double bogie with this strategy.

I think the ploy is less risky with a thriver. Driver doesn't always jump the closest to the tee trees, and three-wood, which I don't normally carry anyway, might not always go the required distance for an average hitter. It wouldn't necessarily hurt you, but you'd be shooting a line drive under limbs to lay up to where you could have played the hole conservatively.

I'm thinking thriver can almost take the conservative approach to the hole out of the equation unless there's a hurricane in your face.

[QUOTE=pingman360]how is that an oxymoron???[/QUOTE]

Pingman you are great,

Ever since Camp Freddy nailed you for the closet queen you are, well lets be fair you have been Soooooo bittchy

Edgey

ok here's the thing... i think that thrivers are a pointless use of space... and since we are only allowed 14 clubs in the bag why take up a slot like that...

but i can see that as usual logic wont work on this group... so i will do an expirement for yall... i have just purchased a 16* hibore XL driver ( well actually is a 2 wood but its still like 460cc ) i will put a 40" shaft in it which i laying around my dorm here ( Diamana red board X flex its a real one x5ct not a g4t or made for one ) i will tell you how much shorter it is and how pointless it is after i get the head in...

you do also realize that i play golf for my college and will get laughed off the course by my teammates when i bring this thing out...

i was just on trackman today and i hit the ball average of 287yds tot... and b/c of this argument i also hit my 3 wood on it too... i hit my 3 wood a tot avg of 261yds... so i have a feeling i may be a bit shorter than that with the thriver...

[RIGHT][/RIGHT][QUOTE=pingman360]i will tell you how much shorter it is and how pointless it is after i get the head in...
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There are so many things I could say in response, I'm just about stymied. Ping, maybe it would be a good idea to keep it to yourself.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc][RIGHT][/RIGHT]

There are so many things I could say in response, I'm just about stymied. Ping, maybe it would be a good idea to keep it to yourself.[/QUOTE]

yeah you would think like that wouldnt you??? i forgot this a 8th grade...

[QUOTE=pingman360]yeah you would think like that wouldnt you??? i forgot this a 8th grade...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, college is a much more mature place. I remember when we used to fire bottle rockets out of our second floor dorm window at the feet of passersby and yell "Look out, it's gonna explode!" (but in Italian). Then we'd watch those people run for their lives.

BTW, if your college classmates have never teased you about being gay as they all tease each other, it's because they think you really are.

Pingman's in college already? Remember when you take biology to rip that Satanic teacher if he mentions evolution. It's all smoke and mirrors.
PS Thrivers are gay

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Yeah, college is a much more mature place. I remember when we used to fire bottle rockets out of our second floor dorm window at the feet of passersby and yell "Look out, it's gonna explode!" (but in Italian). Then we'd watch those people run for their lives.

BTW, if your college classmates have never teased you about being gay as they all tease each other, it's because they think you really are.[/QUOTE]

hmmm... either way i anser the teasing comment im gonna get it so i'll just ignore that one...

but i will say EVERYONE here at school knows im not gay...

we just do things like slip-and-slides in the hallways, and we have a waterballoon launcher which we shoot out of our windows into the parking lot when people get out of their cars... just dumb stuff like that...

[QUOTE=Horseballs]Pingman's in college already? Remember when you take biology to rip that Satanic teacher if he mentions evolution. It's all smoke and mirrors.
PS Thrivers are gay[/QUOTE]

yes im in college... im a freshman...

[QUOTE]but i will say EVERYONE here at school knows im not gay...[/QUOTE]
You aren't engaging in any premarital activities are you?...How did EVERYONE find out?

[QUOTE=SoonerBS] let's see, what is that saying about opinions and arseholes?[/QUOTE]

Whatever it is, it was first used to describe the members of GR.. :-)

[QUOTE=The Purist]You aren't engaging in any premarital activities are you?...How did EVERYONE find out?[/QUOTE]

Did you never attend college? I knew what he meant as soon as he posted it just thinking back to my college days. I don't know how many times I screwed a girl with the roomate in the dorm room studying away . . . . . he was suppose to be studying physics, I never looked at him to see if that was true.

I will not even begin to talk about some of the orgies that went on at the parties . . . .

I had a roomate that would beg me to let him stay in the room while I knocked it out with girlfriend. He had no real sex life of his own. I would have said no, but the begging was so pathetic I wasn't able to.

[QUOTE=The Purist]You aren't engaging in any premarital activities are you?...How did EVERYONE find out?[/QUOTE]

haha... no...

i simply meant that i seem to get the best looking girls on campus... and am well known due to several reasons... one being my seed on the golf team, as well as being elected class president (which i declined)... thats all...

but this is a golf forum so...

[QUOTE=pingman360]haha... no...

i simply meant that i seem to get the best looking girls on campus... and am well known due to several reasons... one being my seed on the golf team, as well as being elected class president (which i declined)... thats all...

but this is a golf forum so...[/QUOTE]

I had you covered two posts before this one, then you had to come in here and post this gay shite. Next time just come in ans say, "Yeah, what Sooner said."

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I had you covered two posts before this one, then you had to come in here and post this gay shite. Next time just come in ans say, "Yeah, what Sooner said."[/QUOTE]

haha... ok... next time...

[QUOTE=pingman360]i am well known due to several reasons... one being my seed on the golf team.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking this doesn't exactly refute homosexuality. Unless you're referring to the women's golf team.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Did you never attend college? I knew what he meant as soon as he posted it just thinking back to my college days. I don't know how many times I screwed a girl with the roomate in the dorm room studying away . . . . . he was suppose to be studying physics, I never looked at him to see if that was true.

I will not even begin to talk about some of the orgies that went on at the parties . . . .[/QUOTE]

Sooner, how could you doubt me? Your bi-curious roomates/orgy partners hardly qualify as "everyone". I thought there might be a good story...like this one:

I have a friend who had a pretty awkward experience during a college beach trip. He had snuck off the night before with a notoriously fugly beast. He accidently passed out in her room at this huge beach house she and a large group of mixed gender friends had rented. The next morning, he said he could hear everyone sitting around talking downstairs, and he tried to see if he could sneak out the window...but the house was on stilts and they were on the 2nd floor. He said he tried to just breeze by the crowd of people in the living room, but he could hear them snickering and whispering. He didn't make eye contact, but as he got to the door...some dude yelled out "WALK OF SHAME", and the room exploded in laughter. My man still catches $hit for it.

[QUOTE=The Purist]Sooner, how could you doubt me? Your bi-curious roomates/orgy partners hardly qualify as "everyone". I thought there might be a good story...like this one:

I have a friend who had a pretty awkward experience during a college beach trip. He had snuck off the night before with a notoriously fugly beast. He accidently passed out in her room at this huge beach house she and a large group of mixed gender friends had rented. The next morning, he said he could hear everyone sitting around talking downstairs, and he tried to see if he could sneak out the window...but the house was on stilts and they were on the 2nd floor. He said he tried to just breeze by the crowd of people in the living room, but he could hear them snickering and whispering. He didn't make eye contact, but as he got to the door...some dude yelled out "WALK OF SHAME", and the room exploded in laughter. My man still catches $hit for it.[/QUOTE]


Did he check his arse for white seepage?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'm thinking this doesn't exactly refute homosexuality. Unless you're referring to the women's golf team.[/QUOTE]

well go ahead and prove your not homosexual... since you seem to be barometer for gay... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[quote=pingman360]well go ahead and prove [B]your [/B]not homosexual... since you seem to be barometer for gay... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/quote]

It's not that I want to break balls or anything. The "your" could just be a careless typo as much as anything else.

But no caps, no punctuation--this is the way all young people communicate in writing today, regardless of education.

Why? Text messaging, perhaps? It's nothing less than a sign that the Goths are at the gate. Our entire society is going to hell in a handbasket.

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]It's not that I want to break balls or anything. The "your" could just be a careless typo as much as anything else.

But no caps, no punctuation--this is the way all young people communicate in writing today, regardless of education.

Why? Text messaging, perhaps? It's nothing less than a sign that the Goths are at the gate. Our entire society is going to hell in a handbasket.[/QUOTE]

I must inform you Nifty that being a spelling and grammar Nazi on this board is a topic that has been covered almost as often as blades vs cavity backs. But not much recently so you weren't to know. :)

[QUOTE=NiftyNiblick]It's not that I want to break balls or anything. The "your" could just be a careless typo as much as anything else.

But no caps, no punctuation--this is the way all young people communicate in writing today, regardless of education.

Why? Text messaging, perhaps? It's nothing less than a sign that the Goths are at the gate. Our entire society is going to hell in a handbasket.[/QUOTE]

its a golf forum not a freakin thesis... but yes i know it was a typo.... if you would like i can send you a paper i wrote just this week which was a proposal for the untied states to adopt the Amero :rolleyes: (which i disagree with btw... but assignments are assignments)...

[QUOTE=pingman360]well go ahead and prove your not homosexual... since you seem to be barometer for gay... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I'd show you photos. But the last time I tried something like that you locked the thread. The evidence mounts.

[quote=pingman360]its a golf forum not a freakin thesis... but yes i know it was a typo.... if you would like i can send you a paper i wrote just this week which was a proposal for the untied states to adopt the Amero :rolleyes: (which i disagree with btw... but assignments are assignments)...[/quote]

Actually, Pingman, you should post the entire paper here so we can all enjoy it. I'm up for a scholarly read about now.