Mizuno MX 700 Driver

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  • 10-21-2009
    SoonerBS
    Mizuno MX 700 Driver
    I have been wanting to try Mizuno's drivers and all the reviews have noted this one as the best Mizuno has put out (which apparently isn't saying much) so I purchased me a used, but in good shape MX 700 driver off of fleabay for $90.00. I figured if I didn't like it I haven't lost much money on the deal. The 700 is suppose to appeal to golfers of all handicap levels. We'll see whether a guy who plays in the low 80s likes it or not.

    Meanwhile, I just got my NIKE Sasquatch driver extended 2" which gets it to 1" longer than normal. I found recently I had been playing a driver that was actually a 3 wood length. For the last two years I had apparently been playing a Thriver before I ever built a "Thriver," lol. I'm anxious to try out the new length and see if it makes a difference in any sort of way. I'll let you know the results.
  • 10-21-2009
    Kiwi Player
    I'll be interested to know how you like and of course whether or not it drops 4 strokes off your handicap! :D

    Over the years the Mizzie crew, Omen, BJ, NAH etc have never really raved about Mizuno Drivers and fairway woods but they usually rate quite well in reviews that I read in Golf Magazines, online etc so I'll be interested to hear your impressions.

    Along with that Mizzie bag and wedges you're determined to go ALL MIZZIE aren't you Sooner! :D

    Do Mizzie make putters?
  • 10-21-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    I'd love to bag more Mizz. But I'd be hard pressed to get better numbers and feel than the Titleist I bag now.

    Remember, driver shafts trump the heads, so make sure you're hitting with the right one for you.
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'd love to bag more Mizz. But I'd be hard pressed to get better numbers and feel than the Titleist I bag now.

    Remember, driver shafts trump the heads, so make sure you're hitting with the right one for you.[/QUOTE]

    Yes. Unless you're Larry, the shafts are more important. I still don't like Mizuno drivers, for no apparent reason. Worse still is any Nike driver. In my head, Nike drivers are labeled as cheap, made-in-China, POS clubs.
  • 10-22-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]I'll be interested to know how you like and of course whether or not it drops 4 strokes off your handicap! :D

    Over the years the Mizzie crew, Omen, BJ, NAH etc have never really raved about Mizuno Drivers and fairway woods but they usually rate quite well in reviews that I read in Golf Magazines, online etc so I'll be interested to hear your impressions.

    Along with that Mizzie bag and wedges you're determined to go ALL MIZZIE aren't you Sooner! :D

    [B][U]Do Mizzie make putters[/U][/B]?[/QUOTE]

    Indeed they do.
    In fact Bettinardi has designed a very nice range of Mizuno putters. Thr black carbon series are beautiful looking clubs.
    Apparently Bettinardi has left or is soon to leave Mizuno so grab one of these quality putters while you can.
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    There you go Sooner, get those wedges, a Bettinardi putter and that Mizuno bag you've been admiring and before you know it you'll be the proud owner of 100% Mizuno kit.

    You might have to draw the line at building a Mizzie Thriver though. I think the worldwide Mizuno cabal would take all necessary steps to prevent this happening as well as drawing strong condemnation from the GR crew.
  • 10-22-2009
    Pky6471
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I have been wanting to try Mizuno's drivers and all the reviews have noted this one as the best Mizuno has put out (which apparently isn't saying much) so I purchased me a used, but in good shape MX 700 driver off of fleabay for $90.00. I figured if I didn't like it I haven't lost much money on the deal. The 700 is suppose to appeal to golfers of all handicap levels. We'll see whether a guy who plays in the low 80s likes it or not.

    Meanwhile, I just got my NIKE Sasquatch driver extended 2" which gets it to 1" longer than normal. I found recently I had been playing a driver that was actually a 3 wood length. For the last two years I had apparently been playing a Thriver before I ever built a "Thriver," lol. I'm anxious to try out the new length and see if it makes a difference in any sort of way. I'll let you know the results.[/QUOTE]
    Get used to your extended shaft, U may like it. I bought the TEE driver from eBay and love it, without knowing that it's 47" from head to toe. Last month I took my old Callaway 2004 BB (360cc) to Dick's Sporting Gơơds and extended it to 47" , just for fun and without knowing what to expect, ... Now my beloved TEE is in my second bag because I can hit the 2004 BB ~15-20 yds longer than the TEE... Somehow it changes the frequency of the Grafalloy ProLaunch Blue shaft and it makes a HUGE difference ... it tơơk me to some spots that I have not been before... Love it
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]Indeed they do.
    In fact Bettinardi has designed a very nice range of Mizuno putters. Thr black carbon series are beautiful looking clubs.
    Apparently Bettinardi has left or is soon to leave Mizuno so grab one of these quality putters while you can.[/QUOTE]

    And there's a good chance Mizuno will offer putters post-Bettinardi that will be worthy. Right now I'm gaming a Mizuno TP Mills that precedes their B era and touches all the bases. The only relative weakness is it doesn't have an italian name. So I prefer to think of it as a TP Milliano. Much in the same way that MP-s are Mizis.
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]And there's a good chance Mizuno will offer putters post-Bettinardi that will be worthy. Right now I'm gaming a Mizuno TP Mills that touches the bases that preceeds their B era. The only relative weakness is it doesn't have an italian name. So I prefer to think of it as a Milliano. Much in the same way as MP-s are Mizis.[/QUOTE]

    I love Sicilian / Italian food. Does your wife cook them good ?
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=Pky6471]Get used to your extended shaft, U may like it. [/QUOTE]

    I can remember going through my own acceptance phase. These days, I'm completely comfortable with it even though, at times, it inflicts a great deal of pain.
  • 10-22-2009
    Horseballs
    I haven't tried a Mizzy driver since the MP-001, which I thought was just OK. We had a demo day a couple years ago and the Mizzy rep was giving me the hard sell on the F50 fairway woods. I was hitting them pretty well, but decided to go head to head with my current GBB2. The GBB2 was much better of the tee and marginally worse off the turf, which is what I always encounter with fairway woods.
    Bettinardi is pretty much a cash whore these days. After he cashed in his independent gig, he's been bouncing around to different OEM's. Still great stuff, but not the magical stix he was making independently. I actually have an Anser style Ben Hogan Betti that I used for a few years.
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]I love Sicilian / Italian food. Does your wife cook them good ?[/QUOTE]

    My ex-wife was a pathetic failure as a cook on those rare occasions when she made the attempt. I, however, armed with decent ingredients, can make food sing operatically. But I'm northern Italian, not a classless Dean Martin or Joe Pesci type. My cooking has depth, range and transcends sausage and red sauce.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player][B]There you go Sooner, get those wedges, a Bettinardi putter and that Mizuno bag you've been admiring and before you know it you'll be the proud owner of 100% Mizuno kit.[/B]

    You might have to draw the line at building a Mizzie Thriver though. I think the worldwide Mizuno cabal would take all necessary steps to prevent this happening as well as drawing strong condemnation from the GR crew.[/QUOTE]

    I could very well see myself doing that in the near future. I have a Mizuno F 50 3 wood in the bag that I do not use often for the very reasons Horseballs mentioned. I do like the looks of the MX 700 fairway woods though so if I really like the Driver, I may have to invest in some matching fairway woods in the 3 and 5 wood (I don't need a 7 wood that is what irons are for).

    The NIKE I have played for the last two years has been the very first series of sasquatch 460 CC drivers put out -- before the extended Sasquatchs and the square headed abominations. I have got along very well it. But, I have to believe that the name, Mizuno, on a driver would have to knock 4 strokes off my score over a NIKE any day.
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=Horseballs]I haven't tried a Mizzy driver since the MP-001, which I thought was just OK. We had a demo day a couple years ago and the Mizzy rep was giving me the hard sell on the F50 fairway woods. I was hitting them pretty well, but decided to go head to head with my current GBB2. The GBB2 was much better of the tee and marginally worse off the turf, which is what I always encounter with fairway woods.
    Bettinardi is pretty much a cash whore these days. After he cashed in his independent gig, he's been bouncing around to different OEM's. Still great stuff, but not the magical stix he was making independently. I actually have an Anser style Ben Hogan Betti that I used for a few years.[/QUOTE]

    Hey, me too. Mine's a golden-brown finish Betti-Ben.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    Shite . . . . . . you guys have me perusing fleabay for a putter now . . . .
  • 10-22-2009
    Pky6471
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I can remember going through my own acceptance phase. These days, I'm completely comfortable with it even though, at times, it inflicts a great deal of pain.[/QUOTE]
    hahahahaha
  • 10-22-2009
    KoolCat
    I used to have a Mizuno putter designed by Scotty Cameron before he went to Titleist. Looks like I should have held onto it, they are going for crazy money on ebay. Here is one that is not too bad (so far, 3 days left):

    [URL="http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Mizuno-M-100-By-Scotty-Cameron-putter_W0QQitemZ190343499730QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item2c515b4fd2"]Mizuno Scotty Cameron on eBay[/URL]
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=KoolCat]I used to have a Mizuno putter designed by Scotty Cameron before he went to Titleist. Looks like I should have held onto it, they are going for crazy money on ebay. Here is one that is not too bad (so far, 3 days left):

    [URL="http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Mizuno-M-100-By-Scotty-Cameron-putter_W0QQitemZ190343499730QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item2c515b4fd2"]Mizuno Scotty Cameron on eBay[/URL][/QUOTE]

    I need at least a 35" putter though. Also, I have discovered through a lot of trial and error that the best putters I do well with are the compact putters from heel to toe. I need one that is right about the length of the hole from toe to heel and no longer. That means probably their C-05 or C-06 putter.
  • 10-22-2009
    Horseballs
    [QUOTE=KoolCat]I used to have a Mizuno putter designed by Scotty Cameron before he went to Titleist. Looks like I should have held onto it, they are going for crazy money on ebay. Here is one that is not too bad (so far, 3 days left):

    [URL="http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Mizuno-M-100-By-Scotty-Cameron-putter_W0QQitemZ190343499730QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item2c515b4fd2"]Mizuno Scotty Cameron on eBay[/URL][/QUOTE]
    I'm so conflicted. Mizuno = awesome, Cameron = dbag. If I had to choose, I believe Cameron's dbaggedness outweights Mizuno's awesomeness. Thumbs down on the putter.
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=Horseballs]I'm so conflicted. Mizuno = awesome, Cameron = dbag. If I had to choose, I believe Cameron's dbaggedness outweights Mizuno's awesomeness. Thumbs down on the putter.[/QUOTE]

    What's wrong with Scotty Cameron? Is it because he's affiliated with Titleist, or do you have a mutual disgust for Americans? I doubt it would be the latter, for you are one of them.
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]Indeed they do.
    In fact Bettinardi has designed a very nice range of Mizuno putters. Thr black carbon series are beautiful looking clubs.
    Apparently Bettinardi has left or is soon to leave Mizuno so grab one of these quality putters while you can.[/QUOTE]

    How do Mizuno-Bettinardi putters feel, OP ?

    And by the way, what is your opinion on the 'honeycomb' face 'technology' / gimmick.
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=Horseballs]I'm so conflicted. Mizuno = awesome, Cameron = dbag. If I had to choose, I believe Cameron's dbaggedness outweights Mizuno's awesomeness. Thumbs down on the putter.[/QUOTE]

    I thought this would be the case for the Mizzie SC haters.

    This is a shocking revelation.
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]I thought this would be the case for the Mizzie SC haters.

    This is a shocking revelation.[/QUOTE]

    No worries, you 're takling about the pre-b.s. phase. Similar to the discussions about rock. Sometimes the early stuff is great while the commercial sell-out stuff stinks to high heaven. But to be safe I avoided the whole issue by going with a Mizuno TP Milliano.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]No worries, you 're takling about the pre-b.s. phase. Similar to the discussions about rock. Sometimes the early stuff is great while the commercial sell-out stuff stinks to high heaven. But to be safe I avoided the whole issue by going with a Mizuno TP Milliano.[/QUOTE]


    [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/MIZUNO-TP-MILLS-PUTTER-4-32-5-INCH-RH_W0QQitemZ180422403521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item2a020365c1[/url]
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS][url]http://cgi.ebay.com/MIZUNO-TP-MILLS-PUTTER-4-32-5-INCH-RH_W0QQitemZ180422403521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGolf_Clubs?hash=item2a020365c1[/url][/QUOTE]


    That's what I'm talking about. Good as anything I've missed with.
  • 10-22-2009
    Horseballs
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]What's wrong with Scotty Cameron? Is it because he's affiliated with Titleist, or do you have a mutual disgust for Americans? I doubt it would be the latter, for you are one of them.[/QUOTE]
    My position on Cameron is documented quite well in this forum.

    Or perhaps it's because I'm an American therefore I hate other Americans. Dammit, M>P, please tell me you're still in the Scottish school system.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Horseballs]My position on Cameron is documented quite well in this forum.

    Or perhaps it's because I'm an American therefore I hate other Americans. Dammit, M>P, please tell me you're still in the Scottish school system.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe you are like me and do not discriminate against any race or class, but instead hate everyone equally . . . . .
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=Horseballs]My position on Cameron is documented quite well in this forum.

    Or perhaps it's because I'm an American therefore I hate other Americans. Dammit, M>P, please tell me you're still in the Scottish school system.[/QUOTE]

    Have you not heard of ethnophobia, it is a condition whereby one has an irrational hatred of one's own nation.
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]Have you not heard of ethnophobia, it is a condition whereby one has an irrational hatred of one's own nation.[/QUOTE]

    After watching Trainspotting I thought that was a uniquely Scottish/British disease?
  • 10-22-2009
    KoolCat
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]That's what I'm talking about. Good as anything I've missed with.[/QUOTE]

    But are these putters GFF? If not, then they are shite and will likely ADD 4 strokes to your handicap...
  • 10-22-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]After watching Trainspotting I thought that was a uniquely Scottish/British disease?[/QUOTE]

    Nah, psychological disorders are universal. But mainly a trend is usually seen within a certain group, due to the inheritance of genes. I'm not so sure of it being uniquely Scottish/British.
  • 10-22-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=KoolCat]But are these putters GFF? If not, then they are shite and will likely ADD 4 strokes to your handicap...[/QUOTE]
    Yes they are. The head is made of one piece of steel so the hosel is not welded on. it is the same as their GFF irons.
  • 10-22-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]How do Mizuno-Bettinardi putters feel, OP ?

    And by the way, what is your opinion on the 'honeycomb' face 'technology' / gimmick.[/QUOTE]

    I haven't played one so I can't give an opinion. As far as the honeycomb milling from what I have read it is purely the result of the way the impact area is milled. Apparently traditional milling processes can cause the face to be slightly dished so the honeycomb milling is done vertically which produces an almost perfectlty flat face. They are reputed to have a soft feel for a non-insert putter and players who have tried them reckon the feel is very good.
  • 10-22-2009
    Home-slicer
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]What's wrong with Scotty Cameron? Is it because he's affiliated with Titleist, or do you have a mutual disgust for Americans? I doubt it would be the latter, for you are one of them.[/QUOTE]

    Scotty Cameron putters are overpriced POS PING knock-offs. Kind of like people paying hard earned cash to play at some goat track like St. Andrews because of its "home of golf" mystique.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    OK, I am working on buying a brand new Bettinardi C-Series putter. I'll let you know how it turns out, and if I get it, I'll let you know whenever it has knocked 4 strokes off my score.
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]Yes they are. The head is made of one piece of steel so the hosel is not welded on. it is the same as their GFF irons.[/QUOTE]

    They're GFF???

    WOW! So what you're saying is you can't miss with these things. 30 footers become tap ins!

    Or are you saying that the wonderful feedback and feel will let you know all the flaws in your putting stroke allowing you to iron these out in one practice putting session and make you as deadly as Tiger on the last Sunday of a Major?
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]They're GFF???

    WOW! So what you're saying is you can't miss with these things. 30 footers become tap ins!

    Or are you saying that the wonderful feedback and feel will let you know all the flaws in your putting stroke allowing you to iron these out in one practice putting session and make you as deadly as Tiger on the last Sunday of a Major?[/QUOTE]

    You're catching on to this really fast, Kiwi . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/glasses10.gif[/img]

    Now, excuse me while I go work on buying a new Mizuno cart bag . . . . . .
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    Good luck Sooner.

    Look mate I hate to point this out to you but, as much as we all love Mizuno, having a bag with just one brand in it is deemed to be an official GR BM. Unless of course Mizuno gets a special exemption from this rule which is entirely possible? We may have to take a poll or get a binding ruling from the senior members on this.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Good luck Sooner.

    Look mate I hate to point this out to you but, as much as we all love Mizuno, having a bag with just one brand in it is deemed to be an official GR BM. Unless of course Mizuno gets a special exemption from this rule which is entirely possible? We may have to take a poll or get a binding ruling from the senior members on this.[/QUOTE]

    No worries, . . . . I will always be a GR rebel to some degree anyway because I will always have the Titleist Pro V1 and V1x balls filling up the pockets of any bag I own.

    OK, now, I am buying a Mizuno wedge from The Golf Warehouse because they will custom lengthen it and put the type grip I want on it. I will order a 56-10 wedge because I can utilize that to my game play from anywhere 100 yards in. Also, the 10* bounce works best on the courses I play on.

    Only decision I need to make is in the MP-T or T-10 type wedge I want, I have to decide between satin finish, chrome finish, or black nickel finish. [url]http://www.tgw.com/customer/search2.jsp?scid=1082&sortmfr=Y&limitmfr=Mizuno[/url] What do you guys think?
  • 10-22-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]No worries, . . . .[B][I] I will always be a GR rebel to some degree [/I][/B]anyway because I will always have the Titleist Pro V1 and V1x balls filling up the pockets of any bag I own.

    OK, now, I am buying a Mizuno wedge from The Golf Warehouse because they will custom lengthen it and put the type grip I want on it. I will order a 56-10 wedge because I can utilize that to my game play from anywhere 100 yards in. Also, the 10* bounce works best on the courses I play on.

    Only decision I need to make is in the MP-T or T-10 type wedge I want, I have to decide between satin finish, chrome finish, or black nickel finish. [url]http://www.tgw.com/customer/search2.jsp?scid=1082&sortmfr=Y&limitmfr=Mizuno[/url] What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

    Plus you have a Thriver in the bag!

    I'd go with chrome or satin. Since it is your sand wedge the black nickel finish won't last long.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player][B]Plus you have a Thriver in the bag!
    [/B]
    I'd go with chrome or satin. Since it is your sand wedge the black nickel finish won't last long.[/QUOTE]

    This is true. Thanks for reminding me. I may have to purchase an extra Mizuno . . . . in the 12* range, . . . . to replace the Sasquatch 16* head on my thriver. I'll look into that as a future project.
  • 10-22-2009
    groundhogday
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]My ex-wife was a pathetic failure as a cook on those rare occasions when she made the attempt. I, however, armed with decent ingredients, can make food sing operatically. But I'm northern Italian, not a classless Dean Martin or Joe Pesci type. My cooking has depth, range and transcends sausage and red sauce.[/QUOTE]

    When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that's amore.
    Dean rules
    GHD
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=groundhogday]When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that's amore.
    Dean rules
    GHD[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. I loaned out my 3 CD set of Dean Martin hits to a friend 7 years ago and never got them returned. That pis ses me off. I need to reorder the set because there have been very few crooners that could ever top Dino . . . . . .
  • 10-22-2009
    groundhogday
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]Agreed. I loaned out my 3 CD set of Dean Martin hits to a friend 7 years ago and never got them returned. That pis ses me off. I need to reorder the set because there have been very few crooners that could ever top Dino . . . . . .[/QUOTE]

    Dean and Frank rule, not to mention Deans roasts from the seventies were classics.

    GHD
  • 10-22-2009
    Not a hacker
    Now that TP Mills knows how to make a putter. Although probably no use to me, if you are looking for a quality blade putter I couldn't imagine anything getting much better than that. It even has the GFF stamp on the bottom of the putter. I've liked the look of recent T.P Mills putters, but I didn't realise he was making such beautiful putters for Mizuno. I can't believe it is going for so cheap. I'm assuming there will be some late action which will push the price up, but I still think it will be a bargain for such a quality putter. Maybe it's because it doesn't have the tosser head cover that Scotty puts on his putters to get the pigeons flocking in.

    P.S. Sooner, having the same brand equipment right through the bag is a b!tchmove, even Mizuno.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Not a hacker]Now that TP Mills knows how to make a putter. Although probably no use to me, if you are looking for a quality blade putter I couldn't imagine anything getting much better than that. It even has the GFF stamp on the bottom of the putter. I've liked the look of recent T.P Mills putters, but I didn't realise he was making such beautiful putters for Mizuno. [B]I can't believe it is going for so cheap. I'm assuming there will be some late action which will push the price up, but I still think it will be a bargain for such a quality putter. [/B] Maybe it's because it doesn't have the tosser head cover that Scotty puts on his putters to get the pigeons flocking in.

    P.S. Sooner, having the same brand equipment right through the bag is a b!tchmove, even Mizuno.[/QUOTE]

    I figure it has something to do with it being only 32.5" long. That is way too short for a 6'4" guy like me for sure. It might work well for Corey Pavin though . . . .

    NAH, I golf with a guy who has pure Titleist wreaking through every club in his bag all the way to his bag. I call him "Titty Boy." I believe it is my sworn duty to go full Mizuno on him to offset the abomination of his choices and full blown Titleist assault on my senses. I know it is a BM, but I am willing to make the sacrifice for the sanctity of golf in general.
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=Not a hacker]Now that TP Mills knows how to make a putter. Although probably no use to me, if you are looking for a quality blade putter I couldn't imagine anything getting much better than that. It even has the GFF stamp on the bottom of the putter. I've liked the look of recent T.P Mills putters, but I didn't realise he was making such beautiful putters for Mizuno. I can't believe it is going for so cheap. I'm assuming there will be some late action which will push the price up, but I still think it will be a bargain for such a quality putter. Maybe it's because it doesn't have the tosser head cover that Scotty puts on his putters to get the pigeons flocking in.

    P.S. Sooner, having the same brand equipment right through the bag is a b!tchmove, even Mizuno.[/QUOTE]

    I had one some years back and didn't even remember til recently. When I did, the light went off and then my putter replacement decision became easy.
  • 10-22-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=groundhogday]When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that's amore.
    Dean rules
    GHD[/QUOTE]

    OK, I admit, I saw an old Matt Helm movie not too long ago and Dean got so much snatch, he bacame my hero. Stella Stevens looked completely f.uckable in it.
  • 10-22-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]OK, I admit, I saw an old Matt Helm movie not too long ago and Dean got so much snatch, he bacame my hero. Stella Stevens looked completely f.uckable in it.[/QUOTE]

    It is a well known fact that back in the day all Dean had to do is sing a song and the panties LITERALLY melted off women. Scientists are still bumfuzzled today on how it happened.
  • 10-22-2009
    Not a hacker
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I figure it has something to do with it [B]being only 32.5" long[/B]. That is way too short for a 6'4" guy like me for sure. It might work well for Corey Pavin though . . . .

    NAH, I golf with a guy who has pure Titleist wreaking through every club in his bag all the way to his bag. I call him "Titty Boy." I believe it is my sworn duty to go full Mizuno on him to offset the abomination of his choices and full blown Titleist assault on my senses. I know it is a BM, but I am willing to make the sacrifice for the sanctity of golf in general.[/QUOTE]
    I'm 6'2" and I have a 33 inch putter. It comes down down to putting style more than height. As I'ma SBST putter, I let my arms hang straight down so I can just rock the shoulders back and through. I find that I need a short putter as this style has my arms hanging very low. Other putting styles use bent arms that don't hang so low, but I think there would still be a few guys out there that would love a 32.5 inch putter.
  • 10-22-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS][B][U]I figure it has something to do with it being only 32.5" long.[/U][/B] That is way too short for a 6'4" guy like me for sure. It might work well for Corey Pavin though . . . .

    NAH, I golf with a guy who has pure Titleist wreaking through every club in his bag all the way to his bag. I call him "Titty Boy." I believe it is my sworn duty to go full Mizuno on him to offset the abomination of his choices and full blown Titleist assault on my senses. I know it is a BM, but I am willing to make the sacrifice for the sanctity of golf in general.[/QUOTE]

    It wouldn't even cost 10 bucks to have it extended. Could do it yourself for next to nothing.
  • 10-23-2009
    Fiona.G.Michelle
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Plus you have a Thriver in the bag!

    I'd go with chrome or satin. Since it is your sand wedge the black nickel finish won't last long.[/QUOTE]

    What's a Thriver?
  • 10-23-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]It wouldn't even cost 10 bucks to have it extended. Could do it yourself for next to nothing.[/QUOTE]

    That's true, I never thought of that. I'm an old hand at extended clubs since nearly everything I own has been extended 1". I already have a bid going on another club though . . . .
  • 10-23-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Fiona.G.Michelle]What's a Thriver?[/QUOTE]

    A thriver, my lovely Fiona, is a club that is the length of a 3 wood or 5 wood and has a 460 cc driver head on it with a loft of usually 12* to 16*. Edgey is the one that got me on this stick by mentioning it on here and bagging one of his own. They are used for greater accuracy off the tee box whenever it is essential to hit the fairway, they make great clubs for going over trees if you are cutting the corner on a dog leg par 4 (which I do on my course), and I even like to play it like a 3 wood hitting it right off the turf on Par 5 second shots. In essence, it is a true "utility" club.
  • 10-23-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=Fiona.G.Michelle]What's a Thriver?[/QUOTE]

    A Thriver is a piece of golf equipment commonly put into play by a golfer about to realize he's a homosexual.
  • 10-23-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]A Thriver is a piece of golf equipment commonly put into play by a golfer about to realize he's a homosexual.[/QUOTE]

    To an extent you are likely correct. However, the criteria doesn't fit me because I have been gay for going on 32 years now . . . . . . . I have been a lesbian all that time. [img]http://www.therxforum.com/images/smilies/trx-smly21.gif[/img]
  • 10-23-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    I just found out Mizuno produces golf balls.
  • 10-23-2009
    poe4soul
    Are they GFF'ed?
  • 10-23-2009
    Mizuno>Ping
    [QUOTE=poe4soul]Are they GFF'ed?[/QUOTE]

    No. Golf balls are not made of Soft 1025E Carbon Steel.
  • 10-23-2009
    SoonerBS
    I haven't tried out my new Mizzie Driver yet, but it's on the way. I did go to the range today though and put in some practice time. I hit my newly extended NIKE Sasquatch and was killing it. The Mizzie better be really good to kick the Sasquatch out of the bag.

    I was also hitting the MP-33s really good today, but don't we all off the range?
  • 10-25-2009
    rooboy
    Hey Sooner, a mate of mine has the mx700 - to go with his mizzy irons - and he loves it. I have never seen a driver that has so much hang time in the air but still hits the ball way out there. Mate has a smooth swing, not at all quick but his drives since getiing the mx700 have been spot on. Sounds pretty good to.
  • 10-25-2009
    Not a hacker
    Mizuno balls are absloute crap. I got some given to meto try a few years back and the two other balls in the sleeve are stil there, unused. They had almost no redeeming features. No distance, awful feel, zero spin or bite on full shots, and no feel or bite around the greens. Possibly the worst ball I've ever played. Mizzy should obviously stck to what they do best, making the best forged irons money can buy.

    P.S. I can't believe that TP Mills putter went for only $38. That's almost stealing.
  • 10-26-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=rooboy]Hey Sooner, a mate of mine has the mx700 - to go with his mizzy irons - and he loves it. I have never seen a driver that has so much hang time in the air but still hits the ball way out there. Mate has a smooth swing, not at all quick but his drives since getiing the mx700 have been spot on. Sounds pretty good to.[/QUOTE]

    I received the club on Saturday, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. It looks and feels great at address. I'll try it out sometime this week . . . . .
  • 10-26-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I received the club on Saturday, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. It looks and feels great at address. I'll try it out sometime this week . . . . .[/QUOTE]


    I gotta feeling that in addition to knocking 4 strokes off your handicap it's going to add 40 yards to your drives and kick that Nike Sasquatch POS out of the bag.
  • 10-27-2009
    SoonerBS
    New putter has been purchased:

    [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370271321736&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching&autorefresh=true[/url]
  • 10-27-2009
    Not a hacker
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]New putter has been purchased:

    [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370271321736&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching&autorefresh=true[/url][/QUOTE]

    God buy Sooner. That putter looks like the real deal. Much classier than any Scotty I've eve seen.
  • 10-27-2009
    poe4soul
    Agreed and for half the price. I almost bought that same putter but LH'ed but settled with the Redwood in the end.
  • 10-27-2009
    oldplayer
    Very nice Sooner. a great buy!
    I can claim some of the credit as I believe it was me who planted the seed about a Mizuno Bettinardi.
  • 11-01-2009
    SoonerBS
    After having played 3 rounds with the new driver, I can say it has now permanently replaced the NIKE Sasquatch. The NIKE driver will be used only in a back-up role now.

    The Mizuno driver is LOOOONG and straight. I can work a fade out of it sometimes, but it is mostly just straight. I have been unable to work a draw, but I don't play a draw much anyway.

    Also, I purchased a Mizuno D-60 4* wood with a UST Pro V2 regular shaft. I didn't know how I would get along with a regular shaft after playing stiffs, but the mid kick point on this stick works great with my swing. This could be the most "controllable" fairway wood I have ever played! I took the 3* and 5* woods out of my bag and just carry the 4* wood now.

    I have had a problem on the "iron" front though. Whenever I bought my MP-67s (6-PW), they had DG X100 irons in them that were 2" longer than normal. I bought a set of DG S300 Sensicore irons off ebay and replaced the shafts in the heads and made them only 1" longer which fits my height. Whenever we (my buddy and I) were putting the shafts in, we noticed some kind of plastic cap on the tip end. My buddy asked if we should drill it out, but I told him not to because I thought it was part of the sensicore of the shaft. Come to find out, it should have been drilled out. Whenever we put the shafts in the head, over time, the shaft has been working out of the head because there were air bubbles and pockets in the hosel and they had no holes to work out of or through. There has been obvious separation over time from the ferrel. Today, my 8 iron worked loose from the glue on a hit and turned on the shaft.

    I have to take all the heads off this week, drill the end of the shafts out, and re-epoxy them. It's not a big deal, but I feel like a dumb shite for not doing it in the first place. Live and learn I guess . . . . .
  • 11-01-2009
    Not a hacker
    Anyone on GR knows that before even contemplating any attempt at re-shafting you should consult Pro Status. Then just do the opposite to what he tells you and there should be no worries. You dumb shite!
  • 11-01-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]After having played 3 rounds with the new driver, I can say it has now permanently replaced the NIKE Sasquatch. The NIKE driver will be used only in a back-up role now.

    The Mizuno driver is LOOOONG and straight. I can work a fade out of it sometimes, but it is mostly just straight. I have been unable to work a draw, but I don't play a draw much anyway.

    Also, I purchased a Mizuno D-60 4* wood with a UST Pro V2 regular shaft. I didn't know how I would get along with a regular shaft after playing stiffs, but the mid kick point on this stick works great with my swing. This could be the most "controllable" fairway wood I have ever played! I took the 3* and 5* woods out of my bag and just carry the 4* wood now.

    [/QUOTE]

    Congrats on the new driver Sooner. It's always great when a new club works out so well straight off the bat. I have read nothing but good reviews about the MX-700. The 4 wood concept is something I have often considered myself but never pulled the trigger on. I always like the idea of replacing two clubs with one opening up the option of an extra wedge. However I love my 3 wood and hit it pretty well off the tee and off the deck so would find it hard to part with.
  • 11-02-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Not a hacker]Anyone on GR knows that before even contemplating any attempt at re-shafting you should consult Pro Status. Then just do the opposite to what he tells you and there should be no worries. You dumb shite![/QUOTE]

    Sorry, . . . . I had a brain fart . . . . .
  • 11-02-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Congrats on the new driver Sooner. It's always great when a new club works out so well straight off the bat. I have read nothing but good reviews about the MX-700. The 4 wood concept is something I have often considered myself but never pulled the trigger on. I always like the idea of replacing two clubs with one opening up the option of an extra wedge. However I love my 3 wood and hit it pretty well off the tee and off the deck so would find it hard to part with.[/QUOTE]

    As you know, I also carry a thriver. So, I was actually bagging 4 woods with the Driver, Thriver, 3* wood and 5* wood in the bag. It was just too many. I have holes and situations where the thriver is the PERFECT club, so it wasn't going to be leaving my bag. The 4* wood works great for me and this has been the easiest fairway wood I have hit by far. There again though, I think its the shaft that makes all the difference.

    The only negative I could see in the MX-700 driver is that it is not a real "workable" driver. But, I'm a straight hitter and don't have a need to work the ball much with a driver. If I need to turn the ball left to be in the fairway on a dogleg left, I'll just pull out the thriver and hit it over the bend.

    I use to bag 4 wedges for a while including the PW. To be honest with you, I hit my 52*, 56* and 60* wedges the same distance. So, to me there was just not a big enough advantage in carrying them. So, I just carry a 56* wedge now with a 10 bounce which is perfect for my course conditions.
  • 11-02-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]Sorry, . . . . I had a brain fart . . . . .[/QUOTE]

    You should also realize Nike sets a really low bar. Of course the Mizuno is better. If you'd switched to a sardine can on a stick it would have outperformed the Nike. Duh!
  • 11-03-2009
    exodus_john
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]After having played 3 rounds with the new driver, I can say it has now permanently replaced the NIKE Sasquatch. The NIKE driver will be used only in a back-up role now.

    The Mizuno driver is LOOOONG and straight. I can work a fade out of it sometimes, but it is mostly just straight. I have been unable to work a draw, but I don't play a draw much anyway.
    [/QUOTE]


    Hi Sooner, do you mind to quantity how much this Mizuno driver is outdriving your Nike?
  • 11-03-2009
    daveperkins
    [QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]I'd love to bag more Mizz. But I'd be hard pressed to get better numbers and feel than the Titleist I bag now.

    Remember, driver shafts trump the heads, so make sure you're hitting with the right one for you.[/QUOTE]

    Boy is that the truth... I"m considering an upgrade of the driver head, but I"ll use one the same weight as my HiBore XL head and I'll just pull it and put on the new one.. cuz this shaft is the best driver shaft I ever had..

    UST V2 x flex, it's just perfect for my swing.. driver at 45 3/4"... the magic numbers.. :-) now I need to learn the weight of my driver head so I can use it as comp..
  • 11-03-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=exodus_john]Hi Sooner, do you mind to quantity how much this Mizuno driver is outdriving your Nike?[/QUOTE]

    It's outdriving the NIKE Sasquatch by 15 yards.
  • 11-03-2009
    lorenzoinoc
    [QUOTE=daveperkins]Boy is that the truth... I"m considering an upgrade of the driver head, but I"ll use one the same weight as my HiBore XL head and I'll just pull it and put on the new one.. cuz this shaft is the best driver shaft I ever had..

    UST V2 x flex, it's just perfect for my swing.. driver at 45 3/4"... the magic numbers.. :-) now I need to learn the weight of my driver head so I can use it as comp..[/QUOTE]

    You might also have the new head measured as the face angle can vary up to 3 deg. due to mfg. tolerances.
  • 11-05-2009
    steviestuboy
    [QUOTE=Mizuno>Ping]How do Mizuno-Bettinardi putters feel, OP ?

    And by the way, what is your opinion on the 'honeycomb' face 'technology' / gimmick.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry i know its not directed at me but i owned one at the start of last season and really struggled from all areas, a stunning looking putter but the weight didnt suit me. It was one of those putters that i made alot from 6 to 10 ft but from range i never made many as i just couldnt get a feel for the pace.
  • 11-06-2009
    SoonerBS
    I got my new putter today, but have not tried it out on the course. I have been putting on an artificial green inside the house and love the feel of this putter. It is very balanced and looks great! Another thing I like is the fact that this Mizuno Bettinardi has been milled right here in the USA. Says so right on the sole of the putter. I'll take it out tomorrow and try it out in a round. I'll let you know whenever it knocks 4 strokes off my score.
  • 11-06-2009
    steviestuboy
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I got my new putter today, but have not tried it out on the course. I have been putting on an artificial green inside the house and love the feel of this putter. It is very balanced and looks great! Another thing I like is the fact that this Mizuno Bettinardi has been milled right here in the USA. Says so right on the sole of the putter. I'll take it out tomorrow and try it out in a round. I'll let you know whenever it knocks 4 strokes off my score.[/QUOTE]

    It will add 4 stroke's, dont be fooled into thinking all areas of Mizuno are good, their woods and putter's are sub standard compared to their irons.
  • 11-07-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=steviestuboy]It will add 4 stroke's, dont be fooled into thinking all areas of Mizuno are good, their woods and putter's are sub standard compared to their irons.[/QUOTE]

    I've been playing their woods for the past 3 weeks now and I already like the fairway wood better than anything I have ever owned. Now, I credit some of that to the shaft, but still, I have no complaints only praises for the fairway wood. I have also liked the MX-700 driver, but I am still trying to get adjusted to the shallower face. I have started teeing it lower so I don't pop it up.
  • 11-07-2009
    edgey
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I've been playing their woods for the past 3 weeks now and I already like the fairway wood better than anything I have ever owned. Now, I credit some of that to the shaft, but still, I have no complaints only praises for the fairway wood. I have also liked the MX-700 driver, but I am still trying to get adjusted to the shallower face. I have started teeing it lower so I don't pop it up.[/QUOTE]

    So have you got ALL Mizuno now Sooner

    Having all one manufacturer is a serious biatch move

    Edgey
  • 11-07-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=edgey]So have you got ALL Mizuno now Sooner

    Having all one manufacturer is a serious biatch move

    Edgey[/QUOTE]

    He also has a Mizuno cart bag but I don't think his Thriver is a Mizuno.
  • 11-07-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]He also has a Mizuno cart bag but I don't think his Thriver is a Mizuno.[/QUOTE]

    Don't worry he'll soon take care of that. Mizuno have a great range of womens clubs.
    Technically though I can't see him going exclusively Mizuno. He is a staunch advocate for the prov1x and I don't think Mizuno make a decent ball. Although I'm sure he could switch to a Mizzy glove if he hasn't already.
  • 11-07-2009
    oldplayer
    BTW Kiwi, I'm sorry about the mix up with apologies recently. I should read more carefully. So I guess I apologise for the insistence of an apology when an apology had already been given. I suppose I am just one sorry individual.
  • 11-07-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]BTW Kiwi, I'm sorry about the mix up with apologies recently. I should read more carefully. So I guess I apologise for the insistence of an apology when an apology had already been given. I suppose I am just one sorry individual.[/QUOTE]

    No worries OP.

    Accusing you of being LawryRSF was just my weak attempt at humour!

    BTW Nice win by your Wallabies last night. I support the Wallabies when they play England. Anybody but England!
  • 11-07-2009
    oldplayer
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]No worries OP.

    Accusing you of being LawryRSF was just my weak attempt at humour!

    BTW Nice win by your Wallabies last night. I support the Wallabies when they play England. Anybody but England![/QUOTE]

    Don't forget the 4 nations league series going on at the moment. I would be pretty confident in saying we have your measure there.:)
  • 11-07-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=edgey]So have you got ALL Mizuno now Sooner

    Having all one manufacturer is a serious biatch move

    Edgey[/QUOTE]

    Edgey, nothing can replace my 16* NIKE thriver. It is way too versatile a tool in my arsenal to depart with.

    Kiwi, I didn't purchase a Mizuno bag. And, I likely will not. If I purchase another bag, it will likely be an Oklahoma Sooner cart bag. I have to support the team. Even if they did just get their arses spanked against Nebraska.

    As, OP claimed, my ball of choice during the Summer season is the Pro V1x. During the Winter season I play the Precept Lady and the Callaway Pearl ball. So, I will never be a full Mizuno user.
  • 11-08-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=oldplayer]Don't forget the 4 nations league series going on at the moment. I would be pretty confident in saying we have your measure there.:)[/QUOTE]

    We're gone. Done and dusted by the Poms. I assume the OZ's will clean up the Poms in next weeks final.
  • 11-08-2009
    noshuz
    [quote=SoonerBS]Edgey, nothing can replace my 16* NIKE thriver. It is way too versatile a tool in my arsenal to depart with.

    Kiwi, I didn't purchase a Mizuno bag. And, I likely will not. If I purchase another bag, it will likely be an Oklahoma Sooner cart bag. I have to support the team. Even if they did just get their arses spanked against Nebraska.

    As, OP claimed, my ball of choice during the Summer season is the Pro V1x. During the Winter season [B]I play the Precept Lady and the Callaway Pearl ball.[/B] So, I will never be a full Mizuno user.[/quote]

    WTF??????........
  • 11-08-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=noshuz]WTF??????........[/QUOTE]

    I play in some 40 and 50 degree weather in the Winter time, Noshuz, the low compression of the ladies' balls works better as the higher compression balls feels like hitting rocks.
  • 11-08-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I play in some 40 and 50 degree weather in the Winter time, Noshuz, the low compression of the ladies' balls works better as the higher compression balls feels like hitting rocks.[/QUOTE]

    So you really do play with the Precept Lady? I always assumed it was a simple misspelling and you meant Precept Laddie.
  • 11-08-2009
    noshuz
    Play it Sooner. Just don't admit it on GR. I'm just tryin' to save a brutha some ridicule.....wink wink
  • 11-08-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Kiwi Player]So you really do play with the Precept Lady? I always assumed it was a simple misspelling and you meant Precept Laddie.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, I really play with the Precept Lady. In fact, I owe my only recorded albatross to the Precept Lady . . . .
  • 11-09-2009
    SoonerBS
    I took out the Bettinardi C-06 putter today and practiced with it for about an hour. I practice on our #9 green which sets right next to the clubhouse. Today was a slow day on the course so I was hardly ever interrupted with any groups playing the hole.

    Guys, for me, this is the putter I have been looking for. It's balance is superb, the feel is just right for me -- not too soft and not too hot, and the looks just seem to give me a lot of confidence on my strokes. It was only practice, but I was sinking putts I normally don't hit. It just seemed like I could feel the ball all the way into the hole with a smooth stroke.

    I've tried many putters over the years and have not been real satisfied with any of them. I have discovered some technique in my putting stroke over the past couple of months that has helped my overall putting game anyway, but this putter seems to really compliment my stroke. I could tell today why this putter sells for over $200. It is worth it . . . . . . and I got mine for only $112 brand new, lol . . . . . .

    Can't wait to get it into game play this week.
  • 11-09-2009
    Kiwi Player
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I took out the Bettinardi C-06 putter today and practiced with it for about an hour. I practice on our #9 green which sets right next to the clubhouse. Today was a slow day on the course so I was hardly ever interrupted with any groups playing the hole.

    Guys, for me, this is the putter I have been looking for. It's balance is superb, the feel is just right for me -- not too soft and not too hot, and the looks just seem to give me a lot of confidence on my strokes. It was only practice, but I was sinking putts I normally don't hit. It just seemed like I could feel the ball all the way into the hole with a smooth stroke.

    I've tried many putters over the years and have not been real satisfied with any of them. I have discovered some technique in my putting stroke over the past couple of months that has helped my overall putting game anyway, but this putter seems to really compliment my stroke. I could tell today why this putter sells for over $200. It is worth it . . . . . . and I got mine for only $112 brand new, lol . . . . . .

    Can't wait to get it into game play this week.[/QUOTE]

    If ANYTHING can knock 4 strokes off your cap it's putting and it sounds like you have found a putter to help you do that. Good luck. Shooting in the 70's is just around the corner.
  • 11-09-2009
    Not a hacker
    Don't want to rain on your parade Sooner, but you will not know until you get out on the course and face the pressure of a live round. I putt the lights out regularly on the practice green with all manner of putters, but it doesn't always mean I putt great on the course. Congrats on finding a putter you really like, but don't pop the champagne corks just yet.
  • 11-09-2009
    SoonerBS
    [QUOTE=Not a hacker]Don't want to rain on your parade Sooner, but you will not know until you get out on the course and face the pressure of a live round. I putt the lights out regularly on the practice green with all manner of putters, but it doesn't always mean I putt great on the course. Congrats on finding a putter you really like, but don't pop the champagne corks just yet.[/QUOTE]

    I agree . . .

    I'll just work on popping something else off . . . . [img]http://www.fullsmilies.com/q/Smiley/adult/AdultSmiley.gif[/img]
  • 11-09-2009
    steviestuboy
    [QUOTE=SoonerBS]I agree . . .

    I'll just work on popping something else off . . . . [img]http://www.fullsmilies.com/q/Smiley/adult/AdultSmiley.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

    HAHA your big boogin(scottish for boaby).....nice, nice