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    I am now terrible

    Damnit I'm pissed at how terrible I played in Florida. I had a monster hook working with every club except the putter. It started out as a pull hook that put me OB off the tee on 3 of the first 5 holes. It evolved into a just a regular hook by the back 9, but it wasn't really a playable shot. When I really tried to slice it, I hit a shank. This happened twice. I shot a 50-44 on a piece of cake resort course from tees at 6200 yards.
    The next round wasn't much better. Same pull hook thing working. I was able to aim way down the right and trust that the hook would come. It's a terrible way to play the game and I can sympathize with Kenny Perry. Impossible to hold any greens.
    I think I've narrowed the problem down to 2 likely culprits.
    My arms are outracing my body. I think this is true, because when I really tried to slow down, the shots were much straighter but it definitely didn't feel natural and contact wasn't very consistent. This has never been an issue in the past even with extended time off from golf.
    My right arm is too straight at impact. This may explain some of the shanking and possibly the pull aspect.
    I went to the range yesterday when I got back in town. The hook is still in full effect.
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    a 94. ouch. time to call david leadbetter.
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    If you live in a wintry climate as I do, and get an opportunity to sneak in a few Florida rounds, as I did, you're going to play above your index level...as I did.

    You've got a jump up on spring. You know you have to straighten that hook back into your draw. Better than finding out in April. Hit the range and fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick
    If you live in a wintry climate as I do, and get an opportunity to sneak in a few Florida rounds, as I did, you're going to play above your index level...as I did.

    You've got a jump up on spring. You know you have to straighten that hook back into your draw. Better than finding out in April. Hit the range and fix it.
    I play in Florida every winter, always above my index, but not astronomically above it. Last year, I played in 20-30 mph winds and shot 80, 86, 83 all on much more difficult tracks. With my typical early rounds, I may lack consistency and feel to some degree and this is normal. This year, I couldn't keep a ball on the course. Nothing worse than hitting a 5 iron off the tee thinking it's a stupidly safe play and watching it zoom 40 yards left into a lake.
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    I'm going to the SPCC's range over lunch to try out all the great suggestions everyone has provided. Thanks, a55holes.
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    HB

    I have been playing consistant high 70's for the last 4-5 months. Last Saturdays Medal monster hook with my irons and Thriver. A hook is a REAL bad shot for me as i play with a fade so dont know how to sort it on the course. Ended up with an NR.

    Worked out the next day i was just bringing the club WAY inside and flipping the club head over. Shot a 78 that round. I have to work on ensuring the club is taken away to the outside of the line. This allows me more room and time to deliver it back to the ball.

    I both empathise and sympathise. Hope you sort it ASAP.

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    I notice the dreaded snap hook comes around when my arms get separated from my body. When that starts to happen, I make slow swings with a towel under my arms and don't let the towel drop until followthru. If they're still snapping, then I know it's path. Put a club or some other large object behind and right of the club and see if you're coming too much inside with a shut face. If you have to hit a few blocks to get yourself from snap hooking it, so be it. You can go back to releasing the clubhead after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs
    I'm going to the SPCC's range over lunch to try out all the great suggestions everyone has provided. Thanks, a55holes.
    so leadbetter's gonna show? you're welcome
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    94?

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    Sorry to hear that HB. Pull hooks are the worst.

    Most people don't understand what causes a pull hook, and thus end up making the wrong compensations when trying to fix it. I used to think that the starting direction of a pull hook was caused by an out to in swing path, and I would try to compensate by trying to swing more in to out which didn't do anything but increase the likelyhood of a shank and add more hook spin.....The truth is your swing path really doesn't have much of an effect on the starting line of your ball. The clubface direction actually determines 90+% of the initial direction of the shot, and the path in relation to the clubface angle determines the side spin....Does that make any sense?
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    Thanks for everyone's sympathy and suggestions. As edgey explained, I believe I am absolutely taking the club too far inside. The problem when I try to take it straight back or outside the line, is what Mward is talking about; arms disconnected from the body. After seeing my swing on video (horrible and traumatic experience that I'm trying to forget through therapy and hypnosis), I have been trying to NOT takeaway to the inside. This led to a bucketful of shanks. I may be in between fixing my takeaway and staying connected. I'll try to towel trick next time.
    As for TP's advice, I think fixing my release should handle it. I used to setup with the clubface closed by a few degrees without being aware of it, but I got on one of those mats with the lines drawn all over and fixed by setup a few years back.
    At the SPCC range today, I somewhat put a bandaid on my pull hooks. I had to start the downswing with my hips and exaggerate a full finish. This isn't the cure, but it may allow me to play actual golf in the time being.
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    When Omen shot 93 at the SPCC we never let him live it down now you're admitting to a 94 on an easy tourist goat track?

    You've come to the right place and the answer is obvious:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Player
    When Omen shot 93 at the SPCC we never let him live it down now you're admitting to a 94 on an easy tourist goat track?

    You've come to the right place and the answer is obvious:

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    For christs sake Kiwi have you no compassion.

    Fancy suggesting a CG14 wedge, surely a BB 2002 (Graphite) would be better and a SC!!. Maybe a SC Big Sur Broomhandle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgey
    For christs sake Kiwi have you no compassion.

    Fancy suggesting a CG14 wedge, surely a BB 2002 (Graphite) would be better and a SC!!. Maybe a SC Big Sur Broomhandle.

    Edgey
    The gel insert cavity and offset might help HB get the ball in the air with those difficult to hit wedges. But as a Lovett wedge authority I defer to you on wedge matters
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    I deserve a bit of flaming and I encourage it. I think the moral of the story is that I should have refused to watch my swing on video. It's caused me to rethink all the things I did naturally. My old swing was like an old man whose myriad of diseases counteracted each other and led to overall health. Think Nibbler, but healthy. Now I'm trying to fix one thing at a time, and wrecking other parts of my swing. I guess lessons are going to be coming soon, and we all no my well stated positions on both lessons and irony.
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    I think the slow response was because when a score is that high, the player is usually beyond help. When I first started reading the thread, my reaction was to figure out if I wanted to make an offer on your clubs. Joking aside, fixing an early inside move is worth the effort, but it's no fun. I've been there.

    It's always interesting to me how most of my problems relate to what happens during the first 18" or so of the takeaway. With my swing, I start there, not just for path but to see what everything is doing. When things are good in those first 18" I may not play great but I at least avoid suicidal thoughts.

    No video and this is guesswork but educated guesswork. Here are my suggestions:

    1. Painstakingly check alignment. Being off can lead to a series of compensations that might explain alot of this.

    2. Try and greatly reduce the right side both on the way up and back down. The left side helps you find a proper path. The right side effs everything up, particularly after a layoff. A good drill is to let the right hand completely off the club at impact. I've played full rounds like this.

    3. Make sure you're not picking up the club during the early stages of your takeaway. Feel like your left shoulder is pushing your arm back on takeaway and on the backswing. Feel like the club is going straight back until parallel with the ground.

    4. Really make sure your shaft points back between your arms at least until the shaft is parallel to the ground. This really isn't true as you arms get higher in the swing, but it helps to try to feel and this way.

    6. Try to keep your hands in front of your chest throughout, also not really as you get to the top, but this is helpful when the path gets flat.

    This can be one of the harder areas to fix and take with you to the course so a practice regimen's a good idea.

    This the kind of sh!t that begins to happen when you start a family. Hope this is on target. Insert Dorkman's normal disclaimer. If you do take lessons, find someone good. Most instructors are clowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs
    I think the moral of the story is that I should have never refused to watch my swing on video.
    Video recently ruined a perfectly good relationship I had going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc
    Video recently ruined a perfectly good relationship I had going.
    Whoops, unintentional double negative on my part. Did she find all your midget porn?
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    If bad comes to worse, you can do what I do.
    Practice only the post impact part of your swing at controlled speed.
    After enough reps, the pre-impact half of the swing, at full speed, will try to arrive at those same positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs
    Whoops, unintentional double negative on my part. Did she find all your midget porn?
    I didn't fail to realize it was not an intentional double negative.

    Anyways, she didn't find all of it, but she found enough. By the way, height challenged people often find the term midget offensive. So I go with C.unt On A Runt.
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    anyone who fights a ball going left needs first to look at the takeaway path...12 times out of 10 its too far to the inside... I dont really care much about what's going on at the top but i religiously work on trying to stay connected while keeping the head down the line as long as possible... the hook still shows up (especially if i try to get on one) but if i keep things in good rhythm its usually just a soft draw: the superior shot shape... the soft draws holds greens with the best of fades, it just does it from further out.

    Omen, 94 eh... i can sympathize.
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    the superior shot shape is the one that's required by the next shot. you noobs.

    you're on the par 5 dogleg right 18th, you have a career round going. water runs the entire length of the hole on the left. i guess you're gonna tell me the draw is the superior shot shape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjdrivers
    the superior shot shape is the one that's required by the next shot. you noobs.

    you're on the par 5 dogleg right 18th, you have a career round going. water runs the entire length of the hole on the left. i guess you're gonna tell me the draw is the superior shot shape.

    BULLSHITE!! This is GR! You step up to the damn ball and grip it and rip it towards the green! If it lands in the water, then you phucking take a lofted club and go in and dig it out! Make sure you have a damn metal fence post in the shaft for that shot. If you land in the bunker, then by god, you go in with a spoon and spank that son of a biatch 200 yards towards the hole! Course management is for guys that play graphite shafts in their clubs!!
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    For my 2 bobs worth I would offer a simple suggestion. Set up normally and comfortably, then tilt your spine angle slightly, ie. head behind the ball. Simply take the club away, not thinking about path, then into and at impact maintain your spine angle and keep your head behind the ball. Just let your normal momentum bring your weight onto the front foot. It is very hard to duck hook a ball from this position.
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    Sorry to hear about the hook HB. And I give you props for owning up to a hackeresque 94. I think the problem is obvious and I can't believe nobody has mentioned it yet.

    You dumped your GFF for those cheap arse knock off chopper sticks and wham! you add 10 shots to your round. Just put those Wishons on ebay (I'd reccomend a "buy it now" price of around $20) and get back with the program and get those GFF bad boys back in the bag ASAP.

    But in all seriousness, it seems suspicious that your 94 coincided with a change of equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a hacker
    Sorry to hear about the hook HB. And I give you props for owning up to a hackeresque 94. I think the problem is obvious and I can't believe nobody has mentioned it yet.

    You dumped your GFF for those cheap arse knock off chopper sticks and wham! you add 10 shots to your round. Just put those Wishons on ebay (I'd reccomend a "buy it now" price of around $20) and get back with the program and get those GFF bad boys back in the bag ASAP.

    But in all seriousness, it seems suspicious that your 94 coincided with a change of equipment.
    I don't know about that NAH. I made a similar backwing change last year, and ended up playing alot more golfswing then actual golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a hacker
    But in all seriousness, it seems suspicious that your 94 coincided with a change of equipment.
    It depends on whether his clubs were the only equipment change. You whack that thing off and I'd expect scores in the 90-s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a hacker
    Sorry to hear about the hook HB. And I give you props for owning up to a hackeresque 94. I think the problem is obvious and I can't believe nobody has mentioned it yet.

    You dumped your GFF for those cheap arse knock off chopper sticks and wham! you add 10 shots to your round. Just put those Wishons on ebay (I'd reccomend a "buy it now" price of around $20) and get back with the program and get those GFF bad boys back in the bag ASAP.

    But in all seriousness, it seems suspicious that your 94 coincided with a change of equipment.
    Maybe a little, but I haven't changed my driver or 3 wood and those were the main culprits. I was hitting 3 off the tee 4 times on the front 9 alone. It's got to be swing related. I will say that I am loving the long irons in the new set (on the rare occasion they didn't hook a mile). I really think I can fix this by messing with my takeaway. I was trying so many other drastic in-round fixes that I didn't try this. I'm playing Saturday at the SPCC and I'm going to get there early and work it out.
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    The only think I might add to this list is a spine angle that tilts too far away from the target. This will cause you to make an extreme inside move. It could be at address or it could be a tilt made during your back/down swing.

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    Larry is conspicuous with his absence on this thread so far.

    I would have thought he would be the first to jump in with some overcomplicated technical advice, or reccomendation of POS chopper shovels with faggy graphite shafts like all the 'good' players at his club.
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    Hooks, contrary to what many think are most often caused by shafts that are too stiff, not to soft. Try a softer shaft, especially in the tip section and I will bet your hook problem goes away, and (again, against popular belief) your spin rate goes down as well.

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    I can't believe I just read a thread that had posts about proper spine angles on GR . . . . . . I'm going to have to go find a website that has some free midget porn to watch for an hour now just so I can feel like a dirty old alpha male again . . . . .


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    I am having a similar time to Horseballs. A couple of months ago I had some lessons and was playing great. Then I got too many swing thoughts swirling around in my head and started playing really badly. So I decided to forget all the technical mumbo jumbo and just start swinging naturally. The results have been pretty good and I have been hitting some of my longest drives ever. My occasional misses were slight blocks to the right but the majority of my drives were straight(ish).

    That all changed at the weekend. On Saturday I started off pulling everything left. I couldn't figure out why. Even my second shots on par 5's sailed left into trees. On the third hole I sent one left OB. Result 1st three holes - Double, Bogie, Triple. After that disastrous start I started to play some reasonable golf and salvaged a semi respectable 84.

    I figured it was just one of those days and assumed I'd come right next time out.

    WRONG!

    On Sunday I played a new course I have never played before. Not a long course at all but quite tight with narrow fairways and a lot of trees. I was pulling everything left AGAIN. When I tried to correct it I ended up hitting a few big high power fades to the right. I somehow scrambled an ugly 88 but what a freakin nightmare. It started on the 1st tee and continued right up to the 18th. I had no idea where my tee shots were going.

    I will try and get to the range this week to work this out of the system. I'm hoping it is just an aberration and will correct itself next week.
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    HB, don't want to add to your confusion, but sometimes the action of the right shoulder can cause a hook - if the right shoulder slows down during the downswing the club face will flip over. If a player tilts excessively to the right on the downswing this can cause the right shoulder to stop working how it should - end result of this is the arms outracing the body even though it doesn't feel like it when you swing. If none of the suggestions work, do as i did and go for stack and tilt and f@#k your swing and head up for good!!
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    I believe that the stance is very important , especially for me. I play (except a driver) a ball in the middle of my stance (as mentioned by Jack Nicklaus in Golf My Way) sometimes 1" back ... A few things that I try to remember (you all know this) such as ... take at least one more club if a ball is uphill, one less club if the ball is down hill and aim left, if ball is below my feet it will slice and if ball is above my feet I have to choke down the club and aim slight right... I am not a long hitter, so remembering those rules seem to help me a lot. Hey, I am almost 60 and only 5'6" so I need all the help that I can get, including a couple gaybird hybrids

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    I fight a hook since I renewed golfing after a long time off due to injury. Nerve damage in my neck has left me with a weak left side, so my right side, particularly my right hand, becomes over active and I end up closing the club face at impact.

    Jim Furyk uses a modified Vardon grip where the last two fingers of the right hand overlap the left hand instead of one. I started using this last fall... waa-lah...no more hook. In fact this has helped me keep my flying right elbow in tighter to my body, my swing plane coming from the inside and not going over the top, also helps keeps my tempo in order.

    Hey, I am almost 60 and only 5'6" so I need all the help that I can get, including a couple gaybird hybrids

    Pky, I thought I was the only vertically challenged here; 61 and 5' 5".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyleG
    Hooks, contrary to what many think are most often caused by shafts that are too stiff, not to soft. Try a softer shaft, especially in the tip section and I will bet your hook problem goes away, and (again, against popular belief) your spin rate goes down as well.
    I love how everything can be solved with equipment.
    I am having a swing issue, since this was happening with every club in my bag including the ones I've had for years.
    I kind of got it figured out. My takeaway is much more outside and I've re-learned a swing thought I had forgot about. I'm trying to feel like I'm hitting the ball with my body, if that makes any sense. It's more of a timing thing, but I think it has synced up my lower and upper body.
    I got to play on Saturday and almost got it right, only hooking about 5 or 6 shots as opposed to every shot. No balls OB and some solid tee balls and irons. Our greens are still pretty bad since our new superintendent took over late last year. He'll do a good job, but he's apparently on a pretty aggressive aeration/verticutting schedule to make up for some neglect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs
    I love how everything can be solved with equipment.
    I am having a swing issue, since this was happening with every club in my bag including the ones I've had for years.
    I kind of got it figured out. My takeaway is much more outside and I've re-learned a swing thought I had forgot about. I'm trying to feel like I'm hitting the ball with my body, if that makes any sense. It's more of a timing thing, but I think it has synced up my lower and upper body.
    I got to play on Saturday and almost got it right, only hooking about 5 or 6 shots as opposed to every shot. No balls OB and some solid tee balls and irons. Our greens are still pretty bad since our new superintendent took over late last year. He'll do a good job, but he's apparently on a pretty aggressive aeration/verticutting schedule to make up for some neglect.
    Hey Larryrsf

    Help a GR brother out here. Is Horseballs on the right track here? I feel that a complete, graphically detailed, technical dissemination of the full swing is what he needs described in detail to sort out this problem. As well as graphite shafts of course, but that goes without saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Player
    Hey Larryrsf

    Help a GR brother out here. Is Horseballs on the right track here? I feel that a complete, graphically detailed, technical dissemination of the full swing is what he needs described in detail to sort out this problem. As well as graphite shafts of course, but that goes without saying.

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    I used to hook something fierce back in my high school match days, especially under pressure. For me it was the upper body getting way too far ahead of itself, because I would try to kill the ball. By upper body, it was mostly the arms and wrists. Slow the swing down just a bit, and start the downswing with the weight transfer in the left leg (or right, if you are a lefty). Man, those hooks are bad. I think a broke a window at a condo complex right off the our high school team's home course during a match.
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    I had the same problem last week in Orlando.

    Why is it when I read one of our posters here I think he is dislexic(sp?).

    Shaft too soft = hook, not the opposite for me and the majority of people I've talked to in the biz!
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    Left hand too vertical. Try to set it a bit away from your body at address. Good luck !

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    HB,

    I think you are on the right track with your thought of hitting the ball with your body. What you are actually doing with this thought is starting the downswing with the lower body, and letting the upper body follow naturally. Although I try to steer clear of any thechnical advice (I leave that for our learned friends Pro Status and Larry), one thing I absolutely believe is that any good swing should start from the ground up. The first feeling you should get is moving your weight over to your left foot. For me a great swing thought is the feeling of the left foot pressing into the ground to start the downswing. This gets things going in the proper sequence and means my arms and hands arrive last with plenty of lag (and clubhead speed) and don't outrace the lower body (arms and hands outracing the body is a sure recipe for a closed clubface at impact and hook city). I know you are specifically talkng about a hook, but I find that getting this sequence right eliminates hooks in a wholistic way, instead of some gimmicky quick fix (see Pro Status/Larry). If you lead properly with the lower body I guarantee you cannot hook it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a hacker
    HB,

    I think you are on the right track with your thought of hitting the ball with your body. What you are actually doing with this thought is starting the downswing with the lower body, and letting the upper body follow naturally. Although I try to steer clear of any thechnical advice (I leave that for our learned friends Pro Status and Larry), one thing I absolutely believe is that any good swing should start from the ground up. The first feeling you should get is moving your weight over to your left foot. For me a great swing thought is the feeling of the left foot pressing into the ground to start the downswing. This gets things going in the proper sequence and means my arms and hands arrive last with plenty of lag (and clubhead speed) and don't outrace the lower body (arms and hands outracing the body is a sure recipe for a closed clubface at impact and hook city). I know you are specifically talkng about a hook, but I find that getting this sequence right eliminates hooks in a wholistic way, instead of some gimmicky quick fix (see Pro Status/Larry). If you lead properly with the lower body I guarantee you cannot hook it.
    Sorry to point this out to you NAH but this was the exact subject of Larry's very first post on GR. It seems you and he are in furious agreement!
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    Whats up H Bizzle? Long time no talk.

    Anyway...

    Based on the information that you're fighting a hook, and that when you tried to slice the ball, you shanked it, it seems to me that the position your arms, relative to your body, is the cause for both. Personally, I think you are simply standing too far from the ball. I think you'd at least begin to understand your problem, if you stood a bit closer to the ball, relaxed your arms a bit more, and had that "flat tire" mental image throughout your swing. I believe it was Harvey Penick that concieved that concept?






    If you pictured this tire, tilted on the angle your shaft makes at address (with any given club), with the flat portion of the tire still remaning flat against the ground, that is the visual I believe Harvey Penick was trying to communicate, and that is the image I keep in my head for the path at which my clubhead should travel. It allows you to visualize the swing in two distinct parts, and how they should function together, to return the club to the ball in the correct manner. I'm at a point now, that is almost Phil Mickelson-like. I can swing out of my shoes, I don't really fear a damning miss, but the beauty of this discovery for me, is that I can feel like I'm barely swinging the club, make excellent contact, kill it, and finish in a nice balanced position, 8/10 times...and I'm somebody who has always struggled with balance, and never had that "effortless power" feeling, even though people have told me it looks like I have it. I literally, feel like I'm barely swinging the club.

    Iron accuracy is even better, my misses with irons now are almost always poor distance control, and rarely horrible direction.

    Just something you might want to tinker with at the SPCC.

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