All over The Golf Channel and Hank Haney's website. Who's gonna be the lucky 7 figure coach now? Sean Foley? Or back to Harmon? Maybe a dark horse pick?
All over The Golf Channel and Hank Haney's website. Who's gonna be the lucky 7 figure coach now? Sean Foley? Or back to Harmon? Maybe a dark horse pick?
Eldrick is a washed up retard. Damn, I never swung a golf club until I was 24... I hated golf as a kid, and frowned upon those people...
If I had swung a golf club one time as a 7 year old, I would probably be breaking 80 every day... I have no ingrained feel.
All over The Golf Channel and Hank Haney's website. Who's gonna be the lucky 7 figure coach now? Sean Foley? Or back to Harmon? Maybe a dark horse pick?
I suppose it depends on who wants to wear the goat horns when Tiger screws up from now on.
Whoever it is, their number one priority should be teaching him how to hit a fuk'n fairway off the tee. I've seen 20 handicappers that drive the ball better than he does these days. I'd be willing to bet that half of GR is better off the tee than Tiger right now.
I do not envy the next person who holds that job.
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Honestly I'm not sure he goes with a new coach at all. If he does wouldn't be surprised if it was a female, someone like that Danielle girl that was on one of the early big breaks.
Maybe Tiger could just watch some helpful video clips.......
... as long as he has the patience to ingrain the swing changes through endless drills, range time and slow motion rehearsals. 99% of golfers get frustrated and go back to their old swing faults.
Hank Haney is such an overrated teacher. Just look at how terrible he did with Barkley and Ray Romano. I could have done a better job with either.
Haney changed too much in Tiger's swing. He changed it into something overly complicated and unnatural, which requires constant repitition and attention in order for it to remain viable. Tiger spends 5 months away from the game, this exposes the inherent flaws in Haney's method. This must be why he advocated this "hit 400 balls, it'll come" approach when working with Charles Barkley and Ray Romanno. I'd rather hit 1/4 of the balls, and know what I'm doing, and why it makes sense, then to spend all day trying to ingrain some contrived principle that will never stand the test of time.
Hank Haney is such an overrated teacher. Just look at how terrible he did with Barkley and Ray Romano. I could have done a better job with either.
Haney changed too much in Tiger's swing. He changed it into something overly complicated and unnatural, which requires constant repitition and attention in order for it to remain viable. Tiger spends 5 months away from the game, this exposes the inherent flaws in Haney's method. This must be why he advocated this "hit 400 balls, it'll come" approach when working with Charles Barkley and Ray Romanno. I'd rather hit 1/4 of the balls, and know what I'm doing, and why it makes sense, then to spend all day trying to ingrain some contrived principle that will never stand the test of time.
Tiger's right shoulder dominates too many swings... it comes out and around and finishes higher than the left... if the club closes, that's a pullhook.. if it doesn't, that's a weak block... and this happens more with tee shots than any other...
when he finishes with level shoulders it's usually a good swing.. when his right shoulder finishes high, the fans are scrambling....
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Haney showed true class notifying Tiger by text message that he would no longer be his swing coach. A fitting momento to the player who put him on the map. Tiger needs to go to Scotland and spend a couple of months with Harrington's guy, Sam Torrance's father.
If Tiger would just invest in a few $600 wedges, none of this would matter. Who cares if you miss the greens when you can hit all the shots to get up and down (or in)?
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Tiger's right shoulder dominates too many swings... it comes out and around and finishes higher than the left... if the club closes, that's a pullhook.. if it doesn't, that's a weak block... and this happens more with tee shots than any other...
when he finishes with level shoulders it's usually a good swing.. when his right shoulder finishes high, the fans are scrambling....
Despite his phenomenal long term results, Tiger's swing is ugly from an aesthetic standpoint, in my opinion (beauty being in the eye of the beholder). He seems to be accelerating with such violence that it is no wonder he has difficulty controlling it at times. It's also no wonder that eventually it puts unnatural strain on his body. Lee Westwood started swinging violently like Tiger during the last round of the Players Championship, and faded quickly.
Tiger just needs to kiss up to Butch again. He played his best when with him.
Actually, I think what Haney teaches is crap. He tries to teach this single plane back and the same plane though. Watch almost every Tour pro and you will see they most all have two planes. One they take the club back on and then a slightly flatter one on the way down when they slot the club. Seems to me that doing what the guys making money are doing makes more sense than what Haney is trying to teach.
Despite his phenomenal long term results, Tiger's swing is ugly from an aesthetic standpoint, in my opinion (beauty being in the eye of the beholder). He seems to be accelerating with such violence that it is no wonder he has difficulty controlling it at times. It's also no wonder that eventually it puts unnatural strain on his body. Lee Westwood started swinging violently like Tiger during the last round of the Players Championship, and faded quickly.
Dorkman, first I want you to know that your avatar is disturbing and hard to look at without cringing. Second, I agree with your thoughts on Tiger's swing. Like you, I see him coming into the ball way to quickly and he lunges his body downward so that he has no chance but to block it or hit it too high. I remember one tournament last year where he used 3 wood for every tee shot and hit it straight down the middle. His swing was nice and smooth and he turned through the ball intead of lashing at it. It's about time that Tiger got a new swing coach. Haney sucks. If Haney texted Tiger that the relationship is over it's only because he knew Tiger was about to do it himself.
Dorkman, first I want you to know that your avatar is disturbing and hard to look at without cringing.
In a bizarre way, I take that as a compliment. I wanted something very offbeat and weird. But far more "compliments" need to be extended to Jeff_h and Spank, for their devoted and tireless service to the mission of making GR a place where misfits and the outcasts and dregs of society like us can enjoy a sense of resignation to a common curse........
I heard that Hank dumped Tiger because he found out that Tiger was secretly getting lessons from at least a dozen different pros around the country. Hank also found text messages from David Ledbetter on Tiger's cell phone. It apparently was so bad that one time Tiger had a short order fry cook at Denny's check his grip and set up.
I heard that Hank dumped Tiger because he found out that Tiger was secretly getting lessons from at least a dozen different pros around the country. Hank also found text messages from David Ledbetter on Tiger's cell phone. It apparently was so bad that one time Tiger had a short order fry cook at Denny's check his grip and set up.
Even more revealing was Tiger's comment to Leadbetter "those sure are some long legs you've got".
I heard that Hank dumped Tiger because he found out that Tiger was secretly getting lessons from at least a dozen different pros around the country. Hank also found text messages from David Ledbetter on Tiger's cell phone. It apparently was so bad that one time Tiger had a short order fry cook at Denny's check his grip and set up.
Nicely done, HR . . . . .
I don't think Pros need coaches, period. They need to dig a swing out of the dirt like real men.
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Tiger needs to re-tool and some new tools. After surgery, he should sequester himself with all the video footage of Steve Stricker since he changed his swing. Then he should get himself fitted for some decent clubs. A 909 D3 should be a good driver head for him. Some muscle-back Tit blades, Vokey wedges and the Pro V1x. With the Stricker swing, he could play into his '90's and with his short game still be ultra competitive. All those dramatic shots from deep rough and out of fairway bunkers put needless wear and tear on the body. Hit the motherloving fairway even 20 yards back, then hit the center of the green and make 20% of your first putts and you'll Varden til the cows come home.
If that's the case then Haney likes to teach more than just one way to swing!
Has to make you wonder. Haney has a blonde wife. Tiger has a blonde wife. Tiger's wife and he break up. Tiger and Haney break up. Might there have been a swap meet or two and now that Elin is gone Haney is no longer interested in Tiger's game?
Has to make you wonder. Haney has a blonde wife. Tiger has a blonde wife. Tiger's wife and he break up. Tiger and Haney break up. Might there have been a swap meet or two and now that Elin is gone Haney is no longer interested in Tiger's game?
Exactly. It brings up the question of Barkley being a casual observer...if you know what I mean.
Tiger just needs to kiss up to Butch again. He played his best when with him.
Actually, I think what Haney teaches is crap. He tries to teach this single plane back and the same plane though. Watch almost every Tour pro and you will see they most all have two planes. One they take the club back on and then a slightly flatter one on the way down when they slot the club. Seems to me that doing what the guys making money are doing makes more sense than what Haney is trying to teach.
Of course. Read Swing Like A Pro (Model Golf), or Hogan or Shawn Clement (who teaches fundamental Hogan). They all teach THE golf swing--which requires us to start our downswing with a strong POST move to the front leg before the shoulders and arms come around. "Turn, plant, swing," to quote Shawn. The post move "flattens the shaft" in appearance from the back. Post move tilts the torso back and allows us to keep the clubhead inside the "magic line" to quote Bobby Jones. That is also what essentially every champion did. Watch Furyk do it a little more-Flattening the shaft is the only way to consistently hit it straight-- accelerate through and "trap" the ball with irons.
Of course. Read Swing Like A Pro (Model Golf), or Hogan or Shawn Clement (who teaches fundamental Hogan). They all teach THE golf swing--which requires us to start our downswing with a strong POST move to the front leg before the shoulders and arms come around. "Turn, plant, swing," to quote Shawn. The post move "flattens the shaft" in appearance from the back. Post move tilts the torso back and allows us to keep the clubhead inside the "magic line" to quote Bobby Jones. That is also what essentially every champion did. Watch Furyk do it a little more-Flattening the shaft is the only way to consistently hit it straight-- accelerate through and "trap" the ball with irons.
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Most of the top teaching pros will tell you that Hogan's teachings have screwed up more golf swings than any other teaching method. Hogan fought a hook for years and corrected it with the swing he talks about in Five Lessons. Most people can't work with that swing.
Most of the top teaching pros will tell you that Hogan's teachings have screwed up more golf swings than any other teaching method. Hogan fought a hook for years and corrected it with the swing he talks about in Five Lessons. Most people can't work with that swing.
Indeed, also if you look at video of what Hogan actually did versus what he said he did they are two different things. What was groundbreaking though was his thoughts on the swing plane. Even though Hogan's was flat as anything.
Just makes me wonder how something so obviously wrong is so celebrated.
All over The Golf Channel and Hank Haney's website. Who's gonna be the lucky 7 figure coach now? Sean Foley? Or back to Harmon? Maybe a dark horse pick?
I think Tiger should go with Calvin Peete. There are several advantages:
1. Calvin is the all time straightest driver in the history of the game.
2. He's black. Tiger needs more black people in his entourage. Calvin is not a celebrity so he would be seen as a true black man that Tiger chose. I'm sure Tiger could come up with some good jokes about broken arms, etc.
3. Calvin is known to have a bad temper. He could mentor Tiger in this area.
4. It's not like Calvin is gonna be hangin' around a bunch of ho's.
5. Look at the photo I attached. He looks exactly like Tiger used to look on his follow through.
I always routed for him in the '80's. Read in some golf magazine that he fell out of a tree when he was young, broke his left arm, and it never got set properly so that it was impossible for him to keep it straight on the backswing. As I recall, he sort of looked like Westwood post-impact. He was real straight and I think just behind Corey Pavin and Curtis Strange in driving distance stats.
Tiger just needs to kiss up to Butch again. He played his best when with him.
Actually, I think what Haney teaches is crap. He tries to teach this single plane back and the same plane though. Watch almost every Tour pro and you will see they most all have two planes. One they take the club back on and then a slightly flatter one on the way down when they slot the club. Seems to me that doing what the guys making money are doing makes more sense than what Haney is trying to teach.
Agree completely with all of this. There really hasn't been a whole lot of top level success with the one plane swing. Not that it doesn't help some golfers, even pros, but the two planer has no distant second when it comes to top level success. It's just too difficult to release naturally and keep the right should in position on a consistent basis. There are some who say Hogan was a one planer, but that just isn't correct.
In any event, Tiger's probably too stubborn to go back to Harmon. But any of the top two plane instructors would kill to get Tiger. They believe Tiger can rediscover his ball striking from earlier in his career by going back the swing he had before.
I always routed for him in the '80's. Read in some golf magazine that he fell out of a tree when he was young, broke his left arm, and it never got set properly so that it was impossible for him to keep it straight on the backswing. As I recall, he sort of looked like Westwood post-impact. He was real straight and I think just behind Corey Pavin and Curtis Strange in driving distance stats.
It makes you wonder what he was doing up in that tree. Was he pulling a George McFly? If so I would rescind my recommendation as Tiger's new golf coach.
Agree completely with all of this. There really hasn't been a whole lot of top level success with the one plane swing. Not that it doesn't help some golfers, even pros, but the two planer has no distant second when it comes to top level success. It's just too difficult to release naturally and keep the right should in position on a consistent basis. There are some who say Hogan was a one planer, but that just isn't correct.
In any event, Tiger's probably too stubborn to go back to Harmon. But any of the top two plane instructors would kill to get Tiger. They believe Tiger can rediscover his ball striking from earlier in his career by going back the swing he had before.
It makes you wonder what he was doing up in that tree. Was he pulling a George McFly? If so I would rescind my recommendation as Tiger's new golf coach.
He was like 10 or 11. Many boys of that age climbed trees. Maybe to see if the neighbor's teenage daughter or wife was out of her shower yet.
Most of the top teaching pros will tell you that Hogan's teachings have screwed up more golf swings than any other teaching method. Hogan fought a hook for years and corrected it with the swing he talks about in Five Lessons. Most people can't work with that swing.
Every teaching pro and every good player incorporates most of Hogan's swing. In particular his strong POST move to his front leg AS he finishes the backswing. That changed everything in golf after Hogan.
If you don't learn anything else, learn to start your downswing with the strong hips turn toward the target.
Watch Hogan explain "the most important thing about the golf swing."
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Every teaching pro and every good player incorporates most of Hogan's swing. In particular his strong POST move to his front leg AS he finishes the backswing. That changed everything in golf after Hogan.
If you don't learn anything else, learn to start your downswing with the strong hips turn toward the target.
Watch Hogan explain "the most important thing about the golf swing."
This is exactly what Shawn Clement teaches in the Perpetual Motion drill, "plant-hit."
Very simple. If you don't start with hips--you will start with shoulders--and that is OTT.
Tell you what, Larry:
Any time you're game, I'll demonstrate that you can swing off your back leg and hit shots that start a right and curve left (as a right-hander); IOW, not OTT.
For everyone I hit that isn't OTT, you pay me $20 and for every one I hit OTT, I'll pay you $50. We'll go until one of us cries, "Uncle".
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Wow! Would I or anyone want to be in the same COUNTY with Alan Baker? I would want a Seal Team with me-- I know that guy is a NUTCASE and very likely dangerous! This is the guy who telephoned Manuel De La Torre's book publisher-- and who called Golf Labs to get them to NOT publish the results of their independent test of the Pivot for Power. Wow! This is not about golf-- it is about nutcases running around unrestrained.
Wow! Would I or anyone want to be in the same COUNTY with Alan Baker? I would want a Seal Team with me-- I know that guy is a NUTCASE and very likely dangerous! This is the guy who telephoned Manuel De La Torre's book publisher-- and who called Golf Labs to get them to NOT publish the results of their independent test of the Pivot for Power. Wow! This is not about golf-- it is about nutcases running around unrestrained.
Who wants to meet him in person?
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He looks pretty dangerous with that driver as seen on that brief YouTube clip. I'd probably chance a meet without a Team backup but he would have to give me some strokes. Do you know what his handicap is and what tees he plays from? And where he is located? I really like to walk but would probably need a caddie who knows his courses.
Wow! Would I or anyone want to be in the same COUNTY with Alan Baker? I would want a Seal Team with me-- I know that guy is a NUTCASE and very likely dangerous! This is the guy who telephoned Manuel De La Torre's book publisher-- and who called Golf Labs to get them to NOT publish the results of their independent test of the Pivot for Power. Wow! This is not about golf-- it is about nutcases running around unrestrained.
Who wants to meet him in person?
Larry
While the tit for tat between the two of you is quite amusing and good for considerable entertainment, at the end of the day you're both stupid.
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Wow! Would I or anyone want to be in the same COUNTY with Alan Baker? I would want a Seal Team with me-- I know that guy is a NUTCASE and very likely dangerous! This is the guy who telephoned Manuel De La Torre's book publisher
Sorry, but I never did that.
-- and who called Golf Labs to get them to NOT publish the results of their independent test of the Pivot for Power.
I never did that either.
Wow! This is not about golf-- it is about nutcases running around unrestrained.
Who wants to meet him in person?
Ordinary people -- people you know but who now want nothing to do with you.
But I guess this means you don't have the stones to accept the wager...
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Most of the top teaching pros will tell you that Hogan's teachings have screwed up more golf swings than any other teaching method. Hogan fought a hook for years and corrected it with the swing he talks about in Five Lessons. Most people can't work with that swing.
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Every teaching pro and every good player incorporates most of Hogan's swing. In particular his strong POST move to his front leg AS he finishes the backswing. That changed everything in golf after Hogan.
If you don't learn anything else, learn to start your downswing with the strong hips turn toward the target.
Watch Hogan explain "the most important thing about the golf swing."
This is exactly what Shawn Clement teaches in the Perpetual Motion drill, "plant-hit."
Very simple. If you don't start with hips--you will start with shoulders--and that is OTT.
Larry
Larry, we all agree that it's important to post and start the downswing with the hips. This is not a revelation. We're talking about Hogan's entire swing and his method for completely eliminating a hook from his game. Most high handicapers slice the ball and some of it is because of OTT. Most of it is because their grip is too weak, the ball is too far forward in their stance and they are too open to the target line with the clubface open at address. I've seen this fixed in 5 minutes. You could not fix this with Hogan's book.
Wow! Would I or anyone want to be in the same COUNTY with Alan Baker? I would want a Seal Team with me-- I know that guy is a NUTCASE and very likely dangerous! This is the guy who telephoned Manuel De La Torre's book publisher-- and who called Golf Labs to get them to NOT publish the results of their independent test of the Pivot for Power. Wow! This is not about golf-- it is about nutcases running around unrestrained.
Who wants to meet him in person?
Larry
Most people that play golf are fairly normal. Besides, all the crazy guys I've seen in movies are either bald or have very short hair. Alan clearly has a solid swing...he couldn't achieve that if he had women imprisoned down in a well in his basement. He'd have no time.
Most people that play golf are fairly normal. Besides, all the crazy guys I've seen in movies are either bald or have very short hair. Alan clearly has a solid swing...he couldn't achieve that if he had women imprisoned down in a well in his basement. He'd have no time.
Imprisoning them is the best way to make sure they take up less of your time and is an efficient way of ensuring companionship is closeby and available when you want it and always ready until you do.
Larry, we all agree that it's important to post and start the downswing with the hips. This is not a revelation. We're talking about Hogan's entire swing and his method for completely eliminating a hook from his game. Most high handicapers slice the ball and some of it is because of OTT. Most of it is because their grip is too weak, the ball is too far forward in their stance and they are too open to the target line with the clubface open at address. I've seen this fixed in 5 minutes. You could not fix this with Hogan's book.
Very cruel and insensitive since Larry has been working on it over 5 years and still hasn't fixed this.
Most people that play golf are fairly normal. Besides, all the crazy guys I've seen in movies are either bald or have very short hair. Alan clearly has a solid swing...he couldn't achieve that if he had women imprisoned down in a well in his basement. He'd have no time.
I would think it would depend on how often he decides to feed and have sex with her.
Larry, we all agree that it's important to post and start the downswing with the hips. This is not a revelation. We're talking about Hogan's entire swing and his method for completely eliminating a hook from his game. Most high handicapers slice the ball and some of it is because of OTT. Most of it is because their grip is too weak, the ball is too far forward in their stance and they are too open to the target line with the clubface open at address. I've seen this fixed in 5 minutes. You could not fix this with Hogan's book.
Game, set, match to famousdavis with this one. Absolutely correct what you are saying. Weak grips, bad ball position (usually way forward) and bad alignment cause more freaking slices than anything else. Only other thing I would add is a lot of slicers try to hit from the top and the lead shoulder will fly out because of it and puts them OTT.
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