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    Half of college grads are unemployed!

    Wow! HALF of recent college graduates are unemployed. Guess why? The lazy take easy courses! They take education, socialogy, history, and other interesting courses with zero commercial value. then DUH, they can't get a job!!

    But guess what the unemployment rate for engineers and scientists is??? ZERO! Take rigorous courses and get a job! Get high pay and you can pay off your student loans!

    This is not rocket science, but apparently it is too difficult for some....

    Larry (MS nuclear engineering)

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    I blame the private sector.

    Nationalize everything and give everybody a government paycheck. That's my solution. If we sink, ws all sink together. Screw it.

    I wonder why some people think an economy is the one important thing that should be left to itself unplanned.

    Also, God forbid that anybody be versed in the humanities. What worthless hippies.

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    It's not my fault God made me this beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I blame the private sector.

    Nationalize everything and give everybody a government paycheck. That's my solution. If we sink, ws all sink together. Screw it.

    I wonder why some people think an economy is the one important thing that should be left to itself unplanned.

    Also, God forbid that anybody be versed in the humanities. What worthless hippies.
    I guess I don't understand why you think people need to be taken care of by some government entity. What you are suggesting is communism or Marxism. You've been brainwashed to believe that government is something other than elected officials and workers. Government is something that we create to provide the basic necessities like schools, roads, police, etc. that don't seem to work when provided by the private sector. That's the only reason for government. This idea that government is something other than what we created is ridiculous.

    Government always becomes counter productive when it begins to decide what is best for everyone. Shouldn't everyone decide what is best for everyone rather than a select few people who are only pursuing their own self-interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by famousdavis View Post
    You've been brainwashed to believe that government is something other than elected officials and workers.
    See, this is the part that annoys me--the brainwashed part. I've got a business degree from Harvard. I've been exposed to all viewpoints, and as a secular humanist, ie, athiest, I don't respect ANYBODY enough to accept their view without conversation.

    It is one thing to say that our core values are completely different. Believe it or not, that happens.

    But when you say that I'm "brainwashed, " then you're either just trying to provoke a fight or you're very stupid. From this distance, I can't be sure of which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    See, this is the part that annoys me--the brainwashed part. I've got a business degree from Harvard. I've been exposed to all viewpoints, and as a secular humanist, ie, athiest, I don't respect ANYBODY enough to accept their view without conversation.

    It is one thing to say that our core values are completely different. Believe it or not, that happens.

    But when you say that I'm "brainwashed, " then you're either just trying to provoke a fight or you're very stupid. From this distance, I can't be sure of which.
    OK, I shouldn't have used the word brainwashed. How can you possibly believe that the government issuing checks to everyone would be a good idea? It's been proven time and time again that giving somebody something for nothing leads to laziness and apathy. I hate the idea of becoming dependent on anything or anyone.

    I understand you dislike of capitalism and the greed and separation it creates amongst classes of people.

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    Intelligent people, regardless of ideology, don't get brainwashed.

    I complete understand conservatives advancing positions that serve their beat interests. There's nothing unintelligent about that, and the morality aspect is not a tangible thing that can be easily argued.

    I'll never understand, however, the grass roots working class tea baggers who vote exactly the same as the bourgeoisie in direct conflict to their economic interests.

    It's that difficuly in understanding that promotes slurs like cracker, sh!tkicker, and Jesus freak. To an Eastern progressive liberal, it's completely incomprehensible. Our working poor generally vote straight Democratic tickets in their own economic best interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Intelligent people, regardless of ideology, don't get brainwashed.

    I complete understand conservatives advancing positions that serve their beat interests. There's nothing unintelligent about that, and the morality aspect is not a tangible thing that can be easily argued.

    I'll never understand, however, the grass roots working class tea baggers who vote exactly the same as the bourgeoisie in direct conflict to their economic interests.

    It's that difficuly in understanding that promotes slurs like cracker, sh!tkicker, and Jesus freak. To an Eastern progressive liberal, it's completely incomprehensible. Our working poor generally vote straight Democratic tickets in their own economic best interests.
    Ok so I understand that you want better working conditions and higher pay for the grass roots working class. The lowly skilled workers who are on minimum wage and barely scraping a living. I can understand that position and have some sympathy for it.

    But what about the thousands of beneficiaries who choose not to work. Who collect an unemployment or sickness benefit because that is their chosen preference and feel the state owes them a living despite being perfectly fit to work. They live in a state house, collect a state benefit, breed because they get paid more $$$ with more kids. And bring up an uneducated, illiterate generation of kids who are going to follow their benefit bludging example.

    Are you in favour of that too?
    I chose the road less traveled.

    Now where the f#ck am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I blame the private sector.

    Nationalize everything and give everybody a government paycheck. That's my solution. If we sink, ws all sink together. Screw it.

    I wonder why some people think an economy is the one important thing that should be left to itself unplanned.

    Also, God forbid that anybody be versed in the humanities. What worthless hippies.
    History has shown that "redistribution of wealth" has simply spread the misery.

    In dozens of examples around the world, Socialist and Communist countries were ostracized by the world, given no credit, their few productive citizens departed--with their money and their expertise. So the dregs of each society were left looking at each other-- losers with losers.

    Beware of what you wish for. You may find that your place in such a society would be UNDER gangs of despots who have connections to the top. Look at what happened in Nazi Germany.

    I prefer capitalism, where those with ability gravitate to the top and where those without sink to the bottom. Winners with the persistence to take difficult courses and graduate and the guts to invest and the persistence again to work night and day-- become wealthy owners of successful businesses.

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    See, this is the part that annoys me--the brainwashed part. I've got a business degree from Harvard. I've been exposed to all viewpoints, and as a secular humanist, ie, athiest, I don't respect ANYBODY enough to accept their view without conversation.

    It is one thing to say that our core values are completely different. Believe it or not, that happens.

    But when you say that I'm "brainwashed, " then you're either just trying to provoke a fight or you're very stupid. From this distance, I can't be sure of which.
    There is overwhelming evidence that this country is Center Right, about 20% liberal, 40% conservative, and 40% independent. Except during a few aberrations like when Obama was elected under a false "hope and change" orgy, Americans have believed that this country is here and still the best in the world because of Capitalism, entrepreneurs doing whatever they could to earn a profit-- which usually entailed hiring from one to one million workers. "The rising tide lifting all boats," to quote JFK.

    Churchill, basically a historian, famously said that no other government system has worked nearly as well as capitalism. Thatcher said Socialism always fails because government runs out of "other people's money." And that is accurate because capital always flees too high taxes and regulation.

    Liberals should remember that government has NOTHING except what it can TAKE from those who earned it.

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I blame the private sector.

    Nationalize everything and give everybody a government paycheck. .
    Thats been tried. But it failed because government soon ran out of money-

    Apparently you were out marching in a protest that day when they explained that ALL MONEY ORIGINATES AS BUSINESS PROFIT. When businesses cannot earn profits, no taxes can be paid-- and no paychecks can be written.

    Those who would govern should be aware of that. Yet apparently Obama and his team are not, only 5% of the Obama executive team have ANY real business experience. NONE have been entrepreneurs, NONE have owned or even been stockholders in business. NONE have signed the FRONT side of paychecks. Not difficult to understand why real unemployment is 20% and rising, home prices are sinking, and investment capital is going overseas! If this American government can be seen as a business, we have an idiot CEO--and he should be FIRED!!!.

    Get real. Your perspective is laughable. Go back to school and take a business course. Better yet, just go down to the Mall and invest in one of those small businesses. Learn about the real world out here. Something tells me in 6 months your perspective will be mine...

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryrsf View Post
    Wow! HALF of recent college graduates are unemployed.

    Larry, I have conspicuously stood apart from the general urge to bash you, but the news story on this was under-employed, not unemployed. This isn't rocket science. Jeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24putts View Post
    Larry, I have conspicuously stood apart from the general urge to bash you, but the news story on this was under-employed, not unemployed. This isn't rocket science. Jeez.
    We are being fed BS by the federal government. the "real" unemployment number is near 20%. Add in the under-employed and the numbers near 30% or higher. For the truth, simply compare the number of people with jobs 4 years ago with today.

    Obama never tells us this truth. His administration has created NO "net" new jobs.

    Lets reelect him and see what he would really do with fewer restraints.

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryrsf View Post
    . Go back to school and take a business course.
    Larry

    You do realize that I have a BSBA (Bachelor of Science in Business Administration) from the Harvard Business School, right?

    Accounting and Industrial Relations.

    Not from Bob Jones, Liberty Baptist, or Oral Roberts. The Harvard Business School.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You do realize that I have a BSBA (Bachelor of Science in Business Administration) from the Harvard Business School, right?

    Accounting and Industrial Relations.

    Not from Bob Jones, Liberty Baptist, or Oral Roberts. The Harvard Business School.
    I'm not doubting you, but usually when people talk Harvard Business School it's in regard to post-graduate work and the pursuit of a MBA (what I have, but not from Harvard). Plus, I've never heard of someone refer to having a BSBA degree. Usually you say I have a bachelors degree in business. It pretty much stands to reason that if you majored in business administration then you took the necessary prerequisite courses to earn a bachelor of science degree, rather than a bachelor of arts degree. For college, I actually have a bachelor of arts degree with a major in economics and minor in psychology. But I don't go around saying I have a BAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by famousdavis View Post
    I'm not doubting you, but usually when people talk Harvard Business School it's in regard to post-graduate work and the pursuit of a MBA (what I have, but not from Harvard). Plus, I've never heard of someone refer to having a BSBA degree. Usually you say I have a bachelors degree in business. It pretty much stands to reason that if you majored in business administration then you took the necessary prerequisite courses to earn a bachelor of science degree, rather than a bachelor of arts degree. For college, I actually have a bachelor of arts degree with a major in economics and minor in psychology. But I don't go around saying I have a BAE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by famousdavis View Post
    I'm not doubting you, but usually when people talk Harvard Business School it's in regard to post-graduate work and the pursuit of a MBA
    What you say is completely correct. I never got a graduate degree because I was bored to death getting an undergraduate degree. Mainly, I was keeping my rear end out of Southeast Asia.

    I am a great believer in education. My personal lack of ambition should not cloud that fact.

    As for the "BSBA" part, that was a commonplace expression forty odd years ago. If it's outdated in modern usage, I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You do realize that I have a BSBA (Bachelor of Science in Business Administration) from the Harvard Business School, right?

    Accounting and Industrial Relations.

    Not from Bob Jones, Liberty Baptist, or Oral Roberts. The Harvard Business School.
    Gee, too bad you weren't invited to be an investor in Shorebank. Read the thread on that one! They are apparently "saving" Obama's profits for him until after he leaves office.

    Of course Rezko, Ayres, Gore, Jarrett, and many other names we've seen in the news are prominent there. Whew! These folks are enjoying the fruits of capitalism while impressing Socialism on America. Our selfless civil servants just doing their job--while feathering their nests for a lifetime of living like a king.

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryrsf View Post
    Our selfless civil servants just doing their job--while feathering their nests for a lifetime of living like a king.

    Larry
    Now you've really piqued my curiosity. Which king would that be?

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