Hey guys, it's been a long time since I posted on the forum. It's also been a long time since I broke 80. Basically I went from hitting my driver 280 to now hitting my driver around 230 yards. in 05 my swing speed was around 106-109. Now i can barely reach 100 mph. The really shocking part is that I have been working out a lot this off season, yet I still can't gain any distance.
So basically, I gained more mucles, yet my swing is slower than a couple years ago.
Sorry about the angle of the camera. I can't take a video of my swing from straight behind due to my dad's poor planning of our golf room.( the wall is in the way)
What do you think is wrong?
I noticed that I always hit the ball on the heel of the club. No matter how far away I stand, I always hit towards the heel. How would i go about fixing it.
Also I think I have a problem with releasing the ball.
The best lesson I ever took, and the tip I use to teach new golfers is this....pretend you are tossing heavy watermelons into the back of a wagon. That is a golf swing....If you do that,
You will have a balanced stance
You will not sway,
You will not over swing
No one would give you lessons on how to toss watermelons into a wagon. You would just do everything right by letting it happen. A gold swing is no different.
I see your left arm is bent at the top of your backswing. That's not good IMO. You should try to get the club as far away from your head at the top of your swing.
A nice wide swing arc will get you increased SS --and distance.
I only watched the swing a few times and that's what I could pick out from that angle.
does anyone have any ideas why i am hitting the heel of the club every single time. My simulator machine says that i usually hit my driver 2 inches towards the heel of my driver. I even tried lining up towards the toe, but that doesnt do me any good.
I will try to get a video tomorrow. I am going to head to the driver range. This is prob going to be the last time I play golf outside for a while. It's suppose to be in the 40s next week in michigan.
My dad designed the room kind of poorly. There isnt enough room to stand behind me and take a video of my swing.
I have been playing really really crappy as of late. Me and my bro went to NC 2 weeks ago and I ended up shooting 120 and 115. Granted that both courses had ratings of 75 and slopes of 141, there is still no excuse for me not being able to break 100.
You should not be playing 141 slope courses at this stage. You should be playing easy courses from the front tees until you build up some confidence. It drives me crazy if I play behind someone who plays the blue tees and can't break 100.
there wasnt anyone at the course. We played on a week day. Even at 125, I still play pretty fast. My brother shoots in the mid 80s and it prob would of taken longer if we played split tees.
I have a hard time believing you ever drove it 280...but...whatever...
Looks like your lower body is rotating too much (possibly even sliding laterally a bit). Try to get as far as you can in your swing with as little rotation of the hips as possible (no lateral movement...that's bad). At the top of your swing left arm straight. During your entire backswing there should be a feeling like you're pushing the grip of the club away from your body. You want to extend that arc as much as possible. To do this, I think of the triangle my hands and shoulders create at address. Keep that same triangle for as long as possible...to do this you have to ONLY rotate your shoulders. Usually it goes until the club is just about parallel with the ground. Then the right elbow bends and wrists load to get your to parallel at top or just about parallel. Then just start the swing downward. Grab a bunch of towels and put them in an old backpack and smash your clubs into that to get the feel for loading and power on the downswing. Or you can order/buy an impact bag for like $30 or less.
I have a hard time believing you ever drove it 280...but...whatever...
Looks like your lower body is rotating too much (possibly even sliding laterally a bit). Try to get as far as you can in your swing with as little rotation of the hips as possible (no lateral movement...that's bad). At the top of your swing left arm straight. During your entire backswing there should be a feeling like you're pushing the grip of the club away from your body. You want to extend that arc as much as possible. To do this, I think of the triangle my hands and shoulders create at address. Keep that same triangle for as long as possible...to do this you have to ONLY rotate your shoulders. Usually it goes until the club is just about parallel with the ground. Then the right elbow bends and wrists load to get your to parallel at top or just about parallel. Then just start the swing downward. Grab a bunch of towels and put them in an old backpack and smash your clubs into that to get the feel for loading and power on the downswing. Or you can order/buy an impact bag for like $30 or less.
I have a hard time believing that myself.... I used to be one of the longer hitters on my HS golf team. My golf game has regressed a lot over the past 5 years.
I have a hard time believing you ever drove it 280...but...whatever...
Looks like your lower body is rotating too much (possibly even sliding laterally a bit). Try to get as far as you can in your swing with as little rotation of the hips as possible (no lateral movement...that's bad). At the top of your swing left arm straight. During your entire backswing there should be a feeling like you're pushing the grip of the club away from your body. You want to extend that arc as much as possible. To do this, I think of the triangle my hands and shoulders create at address. Keep that same triangle for as long as possible...to do this you have to ONLY rotate your shoulders. Usually it goes until the club is just about parallel with the ground. Then the right elbow bends and wrists load to get your to parallel at top or just about parallel. Then just start the swing downward. Grab a bunch of towels and put them in an old backpack and smash your clubs into that to get the feel for loading and power on the downswing. Or you can order/buy an impact bag for like $30 or less.
Good points here. Everybody has different swing thoughts in relating the right turn. I like to think of myself winding up a rubberband -- there should be a feel of tension where the two opposite ends of the body are working against each other to make the coil. If it feels too easy to make a backswing, then the chances are your body is too loose and will result in a loss of power as well as other devastating effects on your ball.
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I have a hard time believing that myself.... I used to be one of the longer hitters on my HS golf team. My golf game has regressed a lot over the past 5 years.
Did you quit playing or something? Why have you regressed?
you shot 120??? i def. didnt see that from the video... i had you somewhere between 80-90... wow... what the crap was wrong... are you shanking, topping, chunking... what is it???
People usually start hitting shots on the heel because they slightly lose their balance and end up with their weight on their toes. This also causes shanks and fat shots with irons.
Try to keep your spine from moving backwards (from the ball) on the backswing and from moving towards the ball on the downswing. You can play around with starting your swing with your weight more on the heels.
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Yea. I shot 115 and then 120. I counted every single stroke. There were extraordinary circumstances though. We played 2 days after they airated the greens in NC. Also, Im not used to the grass in the south. Most of the grass there was still dead.
The biggest problem I have is the fact that I cant hit solid shits. I keep on hitting towards the heel of the club.
Yea. I shot 115 and then 120. I counted every single stroke. There were extraordinary circumstances though. We played 2 days after they airated the greens in NC. Also, Im not used to the grass in the south. Most of the grass there was still dead.
The biggest problem I have is the fact that I cant hit solid shits. I keep on hitting towards the heel of the club.
yeah but this wouldnt account for 30 strokes... and of course you counted every stroke... this its golf thats the way the way you figure out what you shot is to count how many times you hit ball
hmm when you say that I move backwards from the ball, wouldnt that cause me to hit more towards the toe?
No...I think your weight is probably moving onto your toes on the downswing(during impact).
The reason you don't want to have your spine move away from the ball on the BACKSWING is that everything will want to reverse itself on the DOWNSWING...and you'll end up too close to the ball...you have to try and save it by pulling your arms in....you lose extension....you lose distance....you make poor contact...
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Judging from your video I think you have a swing to shoot low 90s to low 100s , that said , I don't know anything about your short game because a good short game would keep you in the low 90s and high 80s. Somewhere along your stance you would have a better connection with your ball... and you would have to find that spot yourself... I've seen most guys with ball 1-2" back from center of your stance , one guy plays a ball 1-2" forward and he can hit a ton,,, I mean a ton. We all swing differently so I don't think that any GR here can tell you what to do, not from me anyway. I never took lesson, perhaps I should, I am a scientist/engineer so I love to analyze my game, so in a way I am a self-taught guy , experiment with your stance , one variable at a time ... or maybe you should go see a local teaching pro...
Focus Statement: in 05 my swing speed was around 106-109. Now is 2009
No. 1 : Is the driver still the same ? Are you using the same old driver ? Driver's performance deteriorate over years. This is due to loosening graphite shaft structure.
No. 2 : How old are you ? How old were you then and how old are you now ? If you have gone through physical changes such as height, the specifications of your driver should change. For example, if you are stronger now, the flex should be stiffer.
Proposed solutions:
1. You might want to get a new driver or shaft.
2. Go to a fitter to find out the most suitable loft, lie and face angle for you.
Two words: "Lessons." No wait, ....that's just one word.....
You were right. There are two words. Let me add the word that you forgot.. equipment. So, lessons and equipment. What make Button and Barrichello good F1 drivers? The skills and the cars.
You certainly should have alot of free advice floating around in your head right now Dychen. The good news is that you won't be shooting 100 plus rounds for much longer. The bad news is that the conflicting advice you now have should ensure paralysis by ablysis to the extent that you will be a gibbering basket case whose right side doesn't know what the left side is trying to do and visa versa, and you'll give up the game in no time.
Alternatively go see a teacher who can give you some constructive advice.
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I had taken one lesson while I was in high school, got me straight for a little while. In regional tournament of my junior year, I felt a pop in my back, and had to finish the round swinging with one arm (still shot 79...nice making the turn at -3). Come to find out, I had broken two vertebrae in my back (L4, L5) and had to take time off. My swing speed went from 114 with the driver, to 101 now. I can no longer take lessons, and am in pain if I play back to back days. I'm also a small guy in good condition at the time (5'6'' and 135lbs...now 5'7'' and 145lbs).
But I was still a successful college player. I actually started scoring better after all of that happened. I stopped overthinking things, and just started playing the game.
Push it back, let it drop, pull it down. All there is to the golf swing. Once you get that, then you can start with the manipulations.
Hey guys, thanks for all the advice.
Ever since I started college, my golf game has never been the same. I am 22 now, so I dont think its my athletic abilities which are declining.
I played a couple holes yesterday and I noticed that I seem to hit balls really high. Instead of having piercing trajectory, my balls seem to float up in the air really high.
Push it back, let it drop, pull it down. All there is to the golf swing. Once you get that, then you can start with the manipulations.
That may be getting a little too technical. I don't know how someone can expect to have a decent swing with 3 swing thoughts running through their head. I know Fred3 doesn't have much time for posting on here these days, but I bet his advice would be "to just hit the d@mn ball!"
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Focus Statement: in 05 my swing speed was around 106-109. Now is 2009
No. 1 : Is the driver still the same ? Are you using the same old driver ? Driver's performance deteriorate over years. This is due to loosening graphite shaft structure.
No. 2 : How old are you ? How old were you then and how old are you now ? If you have gone through physical changes such as height, the specifications of your driver should change. For example, if you are stronger now, the flex should be stiffer.
Proposed solutions:
1. You might want to get a new driver or shaft.
2. Go to a fitter to find out the most suitable loft, lie and face angle for you.
Good luck !
In my family, we tend to change drivers yearly, sometimes 2 or 3 new drivers in one season.
I am stronger now, but my swing speed is slower. I am already using a stiff flex driver.
Hey guys, thanks for all the advice.
Ever since I started college, my golf game has never been the same. I am 22 now, so I dont think its my athletic abilities which are declining.
I played a couple holes yesterday and I noticed that I seem to hit balls really high. Instead of having piercing trajectory, my balls seem to float up in the air really high.
I had this same issue - was hitting everything high (and short). For me - I wasnt releasing the club, rather I was holding on with my lead hand (my right hand as I play lefty) which caused the chicken wing and the high - short - fade shot. What worked for me is that i started hitting balls with my left hand on the club only (for you it would be right). You have to release the club that way.
This is what worked for me - and Im still working on it. When I hit that high - short - fade shot I know I am not releasing the club thru impact.
Im no expert - but this is what happened to me. G luck.
Yea, I think i am having that problem too. Everyone always told me to swing with my left hand. I think that is why I am blocking all my shots and not releasing.
Yea, I think i am having that problem too. Everyone always told me to swing with my left hand. I think that is why I am blocking all my shots and not releasing.
Read Hogans 5 fundamentals. He talks about hitting the ball with both hands. He would prefer to have 3 right hands (or something along those lines). Hit the ball with both hands.
If you can pick up a copy of GOLF magazine, there is a tip or 2 in there about this in the most recent issue I have. (not that you dont have enough tips to think about now.lol)
Read Hogans 5 fundamentals. He talks about hitting the ball with both hands. He would prefer to have 3 right hands (or something along those lines). Hit the ball with both hands.
If you can pick up a copy of GOLF magazine, there is a tip or 2 in there about this in the most recent issue I have. (not that you dont have enough tips to think about now.lol)
Hang in there.
I walked away more confused about the golf swing after reading Hogan's book than I was before I read it.
Is there any chance that Dorkman could invite the administrator of this website to come on and give us his knowledge of the golf swing?
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I walked away more confused about the golf swing after reading Hogan's book than I was before I read it.
Is there any chance that Dorkman could invite the administrator of this website to come on and give us his knowledge of the golf swing?
Interesting. The book was good I thought. Lots in there. Agree if you try to do everything at once you might find yourself a little overwhelmed. I went a little at a time. Still going back thru it here and there, etc....To each their own.
I have no idea what the last sentence means - must have missed something.
BTW - is that sooner as in OU? Just wondering. Im a Colorado Buff fan trapped in Ohio! lol
I had a LONG lesson last Friday. He wanted me to basically start over-- and this time get it right! So we rehearsed the entire full golf swing from setup to finish (my grip was OK). We spent at least 30 minutes doing slow motion rehearsals--stopping at each key position to discuss and ensure that I knew the check points.
He said the way he learned the golf swing was the way we learn to play a new tune on a musical instrument. We first laboriously find and play each note. Then we do it again, this time it is easier, then easier, then easier. Eventually we can do it fast enough that it sounds something like music.
He said and I believe that the fastest way to good golf is to take lessons and then teach ourselves the golf swing the same way. The PRO will show us a good grip, good setup, then how to carefully backswing to a correct top position. From there we simply swing through. But teaching ourselves, getting it wrong of course, then playing and ingraining poor fundamentals is as nonsensical as just picking up a musical instrument and making noise-- hoping that eventually we will make music. We all know that essentially never works-- but it does explain why most amateurs never improve much. They just keep hacking and then quit.
If you are serious, this will explain things. If you're not, just skip the remainder of this post.
First, the golf swing is a lifting and descent of the arms from the shoulders, a set and release of the wrists, and a turn of the torso. POWER comes from the big muscles in our back that turn our shoulders around our spine. The arms and hands stay in front of our chest. There is NEVER a time when we throw our arms sideways.
There are two ways to get to the top. They both start from setup. The conventional way is to turn the shoulders and upper body first--keeping the arms directly in front of our chest. The wrists cock fully as we turn our shoulders fully. It does not matter whether they cock early or later. When our shoulders are turned full with the wrists set, the club will be about vertical, the butt pointing at our back foot toe. That is the top position. Our hips are turned 45 degrees and our weight is on our back foot, we should be balanced there-- The downswing starts as we plant our front foot heel--which causes us to slide our hips a few inches toward the target, the "post" move. From there we simply pivot around the front hip joint and swing through-- the power comes from the big muscles in our back-- which swing the shoulders around, bringing the arms and club. Since we were on our front foot immediately as we started the downswing, the classic finish is natural.
The alternate way to the top from setup is to simply lift our arms staight up--about horizontal, and cock the wrists fully. Then turn the shoulder until our back faces the target--90 degrees. That places the club vertical, the butt pointing at our back toe, same position as before.
A good drill is to make that straight up backswing with feet together, the ball directly in front of both feet. From a stable balanced top position with weight balanced on our back foot, we start the downswing by moving the front foot about a foot or so toward the target, shift the weight to that foot (which slides the hips), and then start the downswing pivot toward the target.
Do this drill over and over again and Saturday morning you will be a MUCH different golfer! You can do it on the course before every "real" swing.
In the "baseball" drill described last, the ball would be a few inches in front (toward the target) of the front foot-- so that it would be in the correct position in a normal stance. The feet are together both a foot or so behind the ball on the target line.
When you step forward, shift all of your weight, stabilize, then start the downswing. It is a serious fundamental mistake to only partially shift the weight (or "post")-- that is the primary reason amateurs slice!
Interesting. The book was good I thought. Lots in there. Agree if you try to do everything at once you might find yourself a little overwhelmed. I went a little at a time. Still going back thru it here and there, etc....To each their own.
I have no idea what the last sentence means - must have missed something.
BTW - is that sooner as in OU? Just wondering. Im a Colorado Buff fan trapped in Ohio! lol
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I'm heading to Durango, Colorado in two weeks for a 1.5 day seminar. I am leaving 4 days early and playing golf every day from here, across New Mexico and in to Durango. I like to mix pleasure with business.
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I'm heading to Durango, Colorado in two weeks for a 1.5 day seminar. I am leaving 4 days early and playing golf every day from here, across New Mexico and in to Durango. I like to mix pleasure with business.
We visited Durango last summer on a Rocky Mountain vacation. The narrow gauge railway ride to Silverton is really spectacular.
Durango is also the headquarters of Wishon Golf. Good people and products.
They also have a production company that does old fashioned musical melodramas. I don't know if it runs all year, or is just a summer thing. They do a good job, if you like that sort of entertainment when you're in the milieu.
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Larry
That's not the golf swing you're rehearsing. It's not even a swing of any kind at all.
If that clubhead had just a bit of momentum your initial takeaway move would end up wrapping the club around your back at about hip level. Your second move straight up would send the club squarely into your left temple. On top of that, without momentum you're not even rehearsing a proper weight transfer.
You're trying to manually force the club through positions which it will naturally find - if the club is allowed to SWING.
Rhythm, tempo, and swing plane are the most important elements of a repeating golf swing. You'll see far more dramatic improvement rehearsing those things than trying to copy photographic positions in some unnaturally timed sequence.
FON
"The less effort, the faster and more powerful you will be." - Bruce Lee
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Larry
Wow Larry, that clip was farking boring as shitt but hilarious at the same time. Is that really you?
With all your BS about Pivot for Power/tempo master, centrifugal force swing, and whippy shafted shovels, I almost forgot about your patented tai chi practice swing. thanks for giving me a laugh. You idiot.
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Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Larry
Are you sure the instructor you are engaging with is a GOLF instructor ? It looks like he is more into teaching martial arts. Anyway, it is a good execise to do in the morning. That is a good Tai Chi move.
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Larry
This is the GRPOTY right here. Go ahead and give him his trophy because the competition is now officially over.
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I just watched it again. Just gets funnier every time I see it. Thumbs up Larry.
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The thing that makes this even funnier is that Larry is actually serious.
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
Larry
Holy ****, for the first time in my life I wished I was blind.
Just from looking at the amazing lack of flexibility and dynamic movement showed by Larry, I would imagine that his real swing isn't much faster than his slow motion swing.
As FON said, no way is he a 6. He'd be lucky to play to 36 with that monstrosity he calls a swing.
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
Just from looking at the amazing lack of flexibility and dynamic movement showed by Larry, I would imagine that his real swing isn't much faster than his slow motion swing.
As FON said, no way is he a 6. He'd be lucky to play to 36 with that monstrosity he calls a swing.
And WHERE exactly did I say this?
Someone get this dude a SkyCaddy. I'm pretty sure he's playing the wrong hole.
FON
"The less effort, the faster and more powerful you will be." - Bruce Lee
I can't believe I tried watching that at work! Larry, please attach a "not safe for work" tag on all your future (and hopefully plentiful) videos. Hilarious!
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Hey guys. So I practiced on the simulator this morning and I spent some time just trying ti figure out how to get solid contact.(We have about 2 inches of snow on the ground. I live in Michigan)
I started out hitting my irons and like someone on the forum said, I am hitting balls on the heel of the club due to balance and weight shift problems. I seem to lean too far forward during my swing. So i fixed my problem by being more stable with my legs and I stopped leaning forward.
The problem is that I still have a problem of hitting my driver towards the heel of the club. During my downswing, I seem to push forward with my right foot, instead of to the left and thus it makes my arms reach farther out than I should. Does anyone know any drills to fix that problem?
larry could we maybe see a video of your real swing??? just for reference sake???
seriously, cause if you swing like that there's no way you would even get the ball airborne... o
It is a slow motion rehearsal of a new golf swing--exactly as prescribed by my teaching pro-- and many others including Harvey Penick. We do it in very slow motion to ensure that I am making the correct movements in the correct sequence.
This is exactly like learning to touch-type or learn a new tune on a guitar or piano, etc. Not much different than the way we learn a foreign language. We do it slowly and deliberately at first, then faster, then faster, then at tempo. Those who have taught themselves difficult skills know deliberate practice works faster than full-speed repetitions.
Every golf instructor (including Harvey Penick and Ben Hogan) taught that slow motion rehearsal and mirror practice is the most effective way to learn the correct golf swing. Ben Hogan mentally "rehearsed" his swing while laying in his hospital bed.
But slow motion rehearsal is ONLY for those amateurs with the patience and persistence to teach themselves to play a musical instrument or to speak a foreign language, etc. That apparently excludes many of the regulars here.
Just a little amateur psychology: I think those who ridicule serious rehearsal do it because they feel threatened. They must pull that guy down! Some here should be ashamed.
The problem is that I still have a problem of hitting my driver towards the heel of the club. During my downswing, I seem to push forward with my right foot, instead of to the left and thus it makes my arms reach farther out than I should. Does anyone know any drills to fix that problem?
Hit drivers without letting your heels come of the ground.
I'm sure many of us practice "slow motion rehearsal". It's just not many of us would spend our precious time videoing it, posting it on you tube, and adding a full page of narrative. I use a mirror, well my glass back door. Not quite as deliberate as you've made it but it is still a rehearsal.
Every golf instructor (including Harvey Penick and Ben Hogan) taught that slow motion rehearsal and mirror practice is the most effective way to learn the correct golf swing. Ben Hogan mentally "rehearsed" his swing while laying in his hospital bed.
Larry
Ahhh yes, the 50's were a wonderful time Larry. But guess what Larry, no one does the slo mo thing anymore because they know it doesnt work. My advice is to grab a calender, take note of the year on top. If all is correct it should say 2009, remember this number, and from this point forward try and keep up.
One more thing. You may want to watch the Hank Haney/Charles Barkley show on the golf channel. It does a great job of showing modern teaching methods. Now mind you, your swing isnt as good as Barkleys, but you should still be able to get the drift.
I'm sure many of us practice "slow motion rehearsal". It's just not many of us would spend our precious time videoing it, posting it on you tube, and adding a full page of narrative. I use a mirror, well my glass back door. Not quite as deliberate as you've made it but it is still a rehearsal.
But are you sure you are doing it right? If not, you are accidently ingraining incorrect positions and movements.
I thought I understood the swing--having looked at a lot of videos and still photos and read nearly every golf book. I could recognize the positions in others, but I was wildly wrong about myself! My teacher instantly saw that I was taking the club back too far away from my body, that my arms not set at address correctly and that my hands were too far from my body. I was not turning my shoulders and arms as a unit--even though I thought I was! So I was arriving at a top position that was incorrect-- and from which a good downswing was almost an accident!
So he had me setup correctly, then rehearse the backswing in slow motion, pausing at each critical position to ensure I felt it and understood how to cross-check that I had it right.
He said he learned the golf swing doing that--and that he believes that every good golfer has done HOURS of work in slow motion to ingrain the correct positions and movements. We have all read Hogan's words that he did that endlessly-- even rehearsing the positions and movements in his head while hospitalized. He came out having lost almost nothing!
Our game is 90% mental-- and the rest is "in your head" as Jim Flick says. It has NOTHING TO DO with the discredited idea of "muscle memory." We train our conscious and subconscious mind.
Just as we learn to play a guitar or piano one note at a time, we must learn the golf swing the same way--if we want music instead of noise!
Hit drivers without letting your heels come of the ground.
Keep both feet flat on the floor.
See what that does for you.
I will agree with this.
I think your problem could be from trying to "attack" the ball too much. When you try and go after it, the extra pushoff may cause you to fall slightly forward.
Keep both heels on the ground...exaggerate it for the time being. Then transition into a smooth weight shift after you get the feel for it.
You really do NOT have to have much swing speed to get the ball out there. With the proper angles and good tempo, you can still easily blast the ball.
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The problem is that I still have a problem of hitting my driver towards the heel of the club. During my downswing, I seem to push forward with my right foot, instead of to the left and thus it makes my arms reach farther out than I should. Does anyone know any drills to fix that problem?
(Right handed advice...just reverse if you are left handed) I have a bit of an unorthodox driver setup that I use to take care of that exact problem. I drop my right foot back and kick my right knee in toward the target a little bit (ball of right foot is about even with the heel of the left foot). I widen my stance and place most of my weight onto the inside of the right foot (between the right heel and ball of right foot). I set the right foot square to the target line....The left leg setup is whats key for me in not moving towards the ball or moving too much towards the target. I turn the left foot open to the target line about 45* and brace it up a little bit....I try to feel like I could post up on my left leg and keep myself from falling foward if someone fell over a ledge in the direction my toe is pointing, and I was holding a rope in my hands (like tug of war) that was attached to his waist. I pretty much swing hard and try to use my left leg to post up on, so I won't lose my balance or spine angle through impact....The key is to not get rigid to the point of restricting a free swing and follow through.
The simple version. Diaganol the stance. Lead foot foward & right foot back. Turn lead foot 30* to 45* to target & keep back foot square to target. Most of weight on the back foot at address. Use your left post to maintain balance and posture. Don't overdue it...you want to be loose enough to be able to really turn your core through the swing without the hips over-sliding or losing your spine angle.
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You are itching for a good technical golf book to help you out. Check out "The Golfing Machine". It was written for individuals like yourself by a very technical minded.
After the read you'll soon realize that there isn't "one" golf swing but many variations of the golf swing. The only thing that matters is a flat left wrist at impact to simplify Mr. Homer. Think about it, not all touring pro's have exactly the same swing. They each have differences. Some of them very major differences.
I thought I understood the swing--having looked at a lot of videos and still photos and read nearly every golf book. I could recognize the positions in others, but I was wildly wrong about myself! My teacher instantly saw that I was taking the club back too far away from my body, that my arms not set at address correctly and that my hands were too far from my body. I was not turning my shoulders and arms as a unit--even though I thought I was! So I was arriving at a top position that was incorrect-- and from which a good downswing was almost an accident!
I'm sure players like Jim Furyk have similar problems but he still gets the club in the right position at impact. I'm also sure your pro is appreciating your business.
The best lesson I ever took, and the tip I use to teach new golfers is this....pretend you are tossing heavy watermelons into the back of a wagon. That is a golf swing....If you do that,
You will have a balanced stance
You will not sway,
You will not over swing
No one would give you lessons on how to toss watermelons into a wagon. You would just do everything right by letting it happen. A gold swing is no different.
"I drop my right foot back and kick my right knee in toward the target....." yada , yada.
I would just love to hide and listen as folks walk up to a teaching pro and say stuff like that.. And that happens all day every day.
They just sigh-- (try not to let you see them roll their eyes) and say, "OK, take your stance and lets see you setup..." etc. and the lesson starts.
And most lessons never get much beyond that--because about 90% of amateurs are trying to swing with a grip so poor that consistency is impossible. Then when their grip is decent, they setup with a posture that makes a backswing and on-plane downswing impossible. By the time he has fixed those, your lesson is over-- and you wanted to show him how you "dropped your right foot back....." something you invented-- likely a fault to fix a fault which was caused by a fundamental fault.
My point is that 99.99% of amateurs have NO IDEA how far from solid fundamentals they are. They say things like "there are different way..." etc. But there really aren't-- because we all have about the same body--the same muscles connecting the same bone structure. The same limitations apply. For instance It is ALWAYS necessary to "clear the hips" to keep the clubhead inside the target line and avoid sidespin--and that is ALWAYS necessary if the golfer wants to avoid some sort of "timed" hand action to prevent slice--and avoiding that is necessary for low handicap consistency.
So fixing ourselves is nonsensical. We simply can't know what we don't know. We can't see ourselves swing-- So unless he takes lessons--several lessons punctated by focused drills, essentially no golfer can have a real idea of what his swing actually looks like--where it fails fundamentally, or how to fix it.
Yes Larry everyone great has the same swing. Allen Doyle, Jim Furyk, Tiger Woods, Lee Trevino, Arnold Palmer, Jim Thorpe, all exactly the same. If it wasnt for the text at the bottom of the telecast we could never tell them apart.
"I drop my right foot back and kick my right knee in toward the target....." yada , yada.
I would just love to hide and listen as folks walk up to a teaching pro and say stuff like that.. And that happens all day every day.
They just sigh-- (try not to let you see them roll their eyes) and say, "OK, take your stance and lets see you setup..." etc. and the lesson starts.
And most lessons never get much beyond that--because about 90% of amateurs are trying to swing with a grip so poor that consistency is impossible. Then when their grip is decent, they setup with a posture that makes a backswing and on-plane downswing impossible. By the time he has fixed those, your lesson is over-- and you wanted to show him how you "dropped your right foot back....." something you invented-- likely a fault to fix a fault which was caused by a fundamental fault.
My point is that 99.99% of amateurs have NO IDEA how far from solid fundamentals they are. They say things like "there are different way..." etc. But there really aren't-- because we all have about the same body--the same muscles connecting the same bone structure. The same limitations apply. For instance It is ALWAYS necessary to "clear the hips" to keep the clubhead inside the target line and avoid sidespin--and that is ALWAYS necessary if the golfer wants to avoid some sort of "timed" hand action to prevent slice--and avoiding that is necessary for low handicap consistency.
So fixing ourselves is nonsensical. We simply can't know what we don't know. We can't see ourselves swing-- So unless he takes lessons--several lessons punctated by focused drills, essentially no golfer can have a real idea of what his swing actually looks like--where it fails fundamentally, or how to fix it.
Larry
The best part about all this is that your swing is absolutely horrible fundamentally. Even in slow motion, your position at the top is very weak. There is no doubt in my mind that you are in fact a horrible golfer, even from death's doorstep tees you likely frequent. Keep drinking from the trough of your instructors. They appreciate all the money you are sending their way.
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I think your problem could be from trying to "attack" the ball too much. When you try and go after it, the extra pushoff may cause you to fall slightly forward.
Keep both heels on the ground...exaggerate it for the time being. Then transition into a smooth weight shift after you get the feel for it.
You really do NOT have to have much swing speed to get the ball out there. With the proper angles and good tempo, you can still easily blast the ball.
Agree with golfaholic and you. Swing with feet together. Swing as fast as you want but stay in balance. Once you start to lose balance - stop. Thats as fast as you need to go. I do this on the range (if I have time) before playing. Helps me develop a good sense of tempo. I do this with a 6i and the driver, alternating....just my opinion and what has helped me.
"I drop my right foot back and kick my right knee in toward the target....." yada , yada.
I would just love to hide and listen as folks walk up to a teaching pro and say stuff like that.. And that happens all day every day.
They just sigh-- (try not to let you see them roll their eyes) and say, "OK, take your stance and lets see you setup..." etc. and the lesson starts.
And most lessons never get much beyond that--because about 90% of amateurs are trying to swing with a grip so poor that consistency is impossible. Then when their grip is decent, they setup with a posture that makes a backswing and on-plane downswing impossible. By the time he has fixed those, your lesson is over-- and you wanted to show him how you "dropped your right foot back....." something you invented-- likely a fault to fix a fault which was caused by a fundamental fault.
My point is that 99.99% of amateurs have NO IDEA how far from solid fundamentals they are. They say things like "there are different way..." etc. But there really aren't-- because we all have about the same body--the same muscles connecting the same bone structure. The same limitations apply. For instance It is ALWAYS necessary to "clear the hips" to keep the clubhead inside the target line and avoid sidespin--and that is ALWAYS necessary if the golfer wants to avoid some sort of "timed" hand action to prevent slice--and avoiding that is necessary for low handicap consistency.
So fixing ourselves is nonsensical. We simply can't know what we don't know. We can't see ourselves swing-- So unless he takes lessons--several lessons punctated by focused drills, essentially no golfer can have a real idea of what his swing actually looks like--where it fails fundamentally, or how to fix it.
Larry
I am new here, but I have one problem. I quote you here: "My point is that 99.99% of amateurs have NO IDEA how far from solid fundamentals they are."
Let me get this straight. You were before lecturing him, and showing your video to possibly help him, and now are saying most of us don't know what we are talking about?
I would be HAPPY to show a legit video, from a non-teaching person, on a legitimate golf swing. The video you showed looked like a person trying to get a squirrel out of their pants.
Some of us DO have an idea on how the swing works. If you, at anytime, are near the Virginia Beach area, please feel free to call me and I will teach you a drill you can repeat, even at your advanced age. I, with a broken back, can make a repeatable swing that is proportionally planed.
Your guidance is flawed, and you are contradicting much of what you previously said.
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Honda Driver, Good post however he's not "trying to get a squirrel out of" but rather trying to keep a hamster in his pants. I know, subtle difference.
I think everyone here has valid points. It does remind me that I need to get back to the fundamentals first before I start to work on my swing speed or anything else.
Maybe when the snow melts, I can head out to the range and practice.
I think everyone here has valid points. It does remind me that I need to get back to the fundamentals first before I start to work on my swing speed or anything else.
Maybe when the snow melts, I can head out to the range and practice.
I'm telling you what, before you go beat ball on the range, and groove bad habits...here is a simple read to fix it.
The April 2009 GOLF MAGAZINE has a highlight on Tiger's swing. I have found my own swing flaws, just by looking at pictures of other players' positions at the top. I was getting across the line at the top, which was causing errant shots. What I thought was "laid off" was actually perfect at the top.
Put a mirror behind you in your indoor facility, and take a look at your position. Continue to emulate what you see in the issue I just stated, and continue to work on that. Slowly and surely you will begin feeling the "right" way.
Don't practice until you have the correct form. Many people think it helps, when in actuality it only hurts you more.
Truth is, noone swings the club the same from day to day. I went out in a tournament and tied one of my local courses records at 63 (-9) and then the next tournament I think I shot like 78 the first round. Same thing at a tournament at Kingsmill Resort and Spa (same course the PGA used to play at, and LPGA does). Woods Course the first day...shot 80. Plantation Course the second day...triple the last hole to shoot 74. River Course the third day (course the pros play)...shot 43 on the front to put myself out of it, and then came in with a 29 (-7) on the back to win because the other people put me out of it.
Swings change, whether daily, or mid-round. You just have to go about making a swing that is as repeatable as possible, and then worry about the small things while you are on the course and are experienced enough to know what is wrong.
Good luck.
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I'm telling you what, before you go beat ball on the range, and groove bad habits...here is a simple read to fix it.
The April 2009 GOLF MAGAZINE has a highlight on Tiger's swing. I have found my own swing flaws, just by looking at pictures of other players' positions at the top. I was getting across the line at the top, which was causing errant shots. What I thought was "laid off" was actually perfect at the top.
Put a mirror behind you in your indoor facility, and take a look at your position. Continue to emulate what you see in the issue I just stated, and continue to work on that. Slowly and surely you will begin feeling the "right" way.
Don't practice until you have the correct form. Many people think it helps, when in actuality it only hurts you more.
Truth is, noone swings the club the same from day to day. I went out in a tournament and tied one of my local courses records at 63 (-9) and then the next tournament I think I shot like 78 the first round. Same thing at a tournament at Kingsmill Resort and Spa (same course the PGA used to play at, and LPGA does). Woods Course the first day...shot 80. Plantation Course the second day...triple the last hole to shoot 74. River Course the third day (course the pros play)...shot 43 on the front to put myself out of it, and then came in with a 29 (-7) on the back to win because the other people put me out of it.
Swings change, whether daily, or mid-round. You just have to go about making a swing that is as repeatable as possible, and then worry about the small things while you are on the course and are experienced enough to know what is wrong.
Good luck.
With a more repeatable swing, you should be driving an Acura in no time.
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I already made a Monday Qualifier for the Nationwide Tour when I was a freshman in college (Virginia Beach Open). I drive Honda's for the fun of building motors that handle over 500whp and have the car look completely stock. It's a fun pasttime.
Golf isn't what I strive to do though. Back doesn't stand up well for it too much anymore. Enough to play in some tournaments, but practice everyday would keep me in bed. Sucks to be 22 and have those problems.
I graduate in a month with a Business Degree, so something along those lines (and taking money from the bosses occasionally) will have to suffice. But who knows...I've been thinking about taking the game very seriously and seeing where I could go with it.
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I simply quote TPI (Titleist Performance Institute) and many teaching pros in their opinion that 99% of amateurs fail to make the transition weight shift. They fail to post before they swing.
The golf swing is NOT "natural" and those who teach themselves and then ingrain that over years usually end up with a swing that is basically "all arms." They turn and swing-- instead of turn, Plant (the front foot), and then swing. Consequently they decelerate before impact and their clubhead crosses the target line. That's not an insult, not to denigrate, just a fact. Go to any driving range and watch the carnage--as 99% pay money to hit buckets of balls so they can more deeply ingrain that same fundamental fault.
The idea behind slow motion rehearsal and various drills (such as "baseball" and "pump and go") is to ingrain the correct moves. Do you know a better way? Nobody does.
It is just silly to criticize someone doing static drills. That's like criticizing the sound a student makes while playing a tune the first few times. Such posts say more about the poster...
does anyone have any ideas why i am hitting the heel of the club every single time. My simulator machine says that i usually hit my driver 2 inches towards the heel of my driver. I even tried lining up towards the toe, but that doesnt do me any good.
it's your grip. i guarantee it. i bet you have a weak grip which causes you to push the heel towards the ball and come over the top
Here I am rehearsing the golf swing in slow motion. Patience and persistence is the ONLY way any late beginner is going to get this right. It is futile to stand out there and beat balls hoping for a different result (Einstein's definition of insanity)
YES!!!!!! Because my PGA Pro who teaches all day every day and himself a +++pro tournament player, suggested that I do this--if I were serious about improving. I was already a 6 handicap but had persistent faults in my swing. I want to be the very very rare late beginner who swings correctly, who makes the transition weight shift and accelerates through the ball. He told me he learned the golf swing exactly like that, practiced the moves in super slow motion and rehearsed the various static positions. He used the check points and a mirror. Ask any teaching pro.
Slow motion rehearsal is also exactly what Harvey Penick and Ben Hogan used-- Penick had his college teams rehearse the golf swing in SUPER slow motion--read his "Little Red Book."
I am amazed that you and several here are apparently so poorly read. Are you that ignorant about how humans most efficiently learn complex movements, the golf swing, the tennis serve, the baseball throwing motion, the Javelin throw, the bowling motion, and dozens of other movements? They are all taught by rehearsal in slow motion. Our subconscious learns that way. We learn to play musical instruments by playing the notes slowly until our fingers know the notes--then we can replay at tempo.
Larry, it would be great if you could post a slow motion video of yourself that focuses on the post up move.
That is part of the whole swing. "Turn, plant, swing." I am working to incorporate that move in my every swing. It takes a while and a lot of rehearsals. In the subject slow motion drill you see me turn away with shoulders 90 degrees hips 45 degrees, then move my hips laterally toward the target to place my front hip over my back leg, then pivot around on that "post." That is the post move so few amateurs can do. "Turn (away), Plant (the front foot), swing." as Shawn Clement teaches. In a good golf swing the posting move need not be rushed; can be quite leisurely--- since the swing itself depends on the differential angle between the hips and the shoulders. The release of that tension creates the swing power. Watch the big dorsal muscle in the left side of Tiger's back as he backswings.
Remember the golf swing is ONLY an up and down movement of both arms in front of our chest, a cocking and uncocking of the wrists, and a turn of the upper torso about our spine. There is NOT a lateral throwing of the arms.
That is why good golfers describe their arms coming STRAIGHT down behind them. They turn their shoulders away from the target 90 degrees and then pull their arms down, their dominant arm elbow comes down BEHIND their back hip. The hips are simultaneously turning toward the target-- leading the shoulders, and thus the back elbow moves toward the back hip only a few inches before the hips is gone--
To get this right, you must rehearse it in slow motion-- if you do it at speed, you will simply repeat what you have always done--
Remember the golf swing is ONLY an up and down movement of both arms in front of our chest, a cocking and uncocking of the wrists, and a turn of the upper torso about our spine. There is NOT a lateral throwing of the arms.
watch any tour pro, at the top of the back swing their hands are positioned over or outside their shoulder. Now look at your swing, your hands are near you face, it would take a miracle not to come over the top with that swing. I will do what the pros are doing.
Larry does have some valid points. After working at a course I do realize that most golfers are pretty awful fundamentally. But, most just enjoy getting away from the kids, family, relaxing, or whatever. It's like fishing. Many people are horrible at it but a day on the lake beats most other things. I personally have a good friend that takes fishing REALLY seriously...I went with him and he laughed the entire time as I basically looked like a fool to a good fisherman with my "knowledge." Well, guess what, I didn't care cause I do it for the sake of fishing and could care less if I get better. This is true for many golfers as well. One of my teaching methods is using slow repeatable motions. Then we eventually speed them up. Larry, your swing was way off the mark as far as being on plane. Looks like you drop the club way inside on the backswing as well.
The clubshaft should be aligned with the target when horizontal going back--and inside that when coming down. Turn and lift it up straight, then when you move your weight toward the target to post on your front hip, then bring the arms straight down, the dominant arm elbow should come down BEHIND your back hip-- that tilts the club onto the swing plane-- and it appears between elbow and shoulder from the back.
Larry does have some valid points. After working at a course I do realize that most golfers are pretty awful fundamentally. But, most just enjoy getting away from the kids, family, relaxing, or whatever. It's like fishing. Many people are horrible at it but a day on the lake beats most other things. I personally have a good friend that takes fishing REALLY seriously...I went with him and he laughed the entire time as I basically looked like a fool to a good fisherman with my "knowledge." Well, guess what, I didn't care cause I do it for the sake of fishing and could care less if I get better. This is true for many golfers as well. One of my teaching methods is using slow repeatable motions. Then we eventually speed them up. Larry, your swing was way off the mark as far as being on plane. Looks like you drop the club way inside on the backswing as well.
i dont know... do you really find that most dont care how bad they are?? from what i have seen so far in my time spent around golf (which, yeah, its been a lot... but only 5yrs now...) it seems that almost universally people want to get better at golf... just what i have noticed...
Sorry about misquoting you FON, I could have sworn I saw someone say that and thought it was you.
Hey guys, for all Larry's ovbious shortcomings you have gotta give him some credit. With a single post he has revived this thread from a struggling going no where instructional piece to a genuine GR classic destined to go way beyond 100 posts. All we need is for Fred to drop in, and it gets automatic entry into GR HOF.
The only thing that could possibly make this thread any better would be if Larry posted a vid of himself playing a tune on the flute in slow motion.
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
Larry does have some valid points. After working at a course I do realize that most golfers are pretty awful fundamentally. But, most just enjoy getting away from the kids, family, relaxing, or whatever. It's like fishing. Many people are horrible at it but a day on the lake beats most other things.
I see plenty of people that are resigned to accept bad games, but I wonder if they knew how much more fun golf would be as a single digit, and that many of them could get there, whether they'd be so resigned.
It takes good instruction, practice and discipline if someone is reasonably coordinated and athletic. We all have our shortcomings achieving things, so maybe I'm missing it, but I frequently play with people who could be alot better and would want to if they know how achievable it was.
I blame much of the teaching community for this. There's a majority of bad teachers out there that don't know true fundamentals or causation and put their students on dead end roads leading to frustration and acceptance of their games as-is.
The guy Larry's going to is a great example of this. A big name in SD but got there because he achieved as a player in the area. Maybe he's improved, but was pretty off target when I went to him.
I gotta say Larry, you have the patience of Job and the skin of an elephant.
Persistence is the most valuable trait for late beginners endeavoring to teach ourselves to play golf well-- Once someone like me starts there is no alternative but to just doggedly keep trying-- lessons, drills, lessons, books, Internet discussions, lessons, drills. But always focused on doing it right--and never satisfied with some sort of lazy compromise that 99% of amateurs make. I just refuse to play like that!
What keeps us going is that we can see the possibilities! We have all had enough great swings and great results, great drives, GIR, birdie! To realize that if we could reproduce those-- we could hit fairways and greens--and go around nearly any course in par.
A lot of bad golf being played today is based in economics and time. Many players grab a round at the local publinx when they can. They don't have time to practice and can't afford good instruction. As a former union rep, I knew plenty of guys for whom golf was a nine hole league game, once a week after work, and that's that.
Lots of those guys break fifty, with ill-fitting store bought clubs, and for them, that's a good achievement. Most of us here don't acknowledge that those of us who get to enjoy golf on our own terms represent a significant minority.
Great post, Larry. You summarized how both the adult and child in me see golf's potential. Kudos.
You've earned character status here on GR in my book. Keep 'em coming.
We could all benefit from more of your kind of boundless spirit.
Thanks, I think! ha.
I just hate quitters; they never achieve anything. I hate the urge in me to give up, to quit when a project gets difficult. So that is when I get mad at myself and anyone who tells me I am becoming obsessive about it-- and instead of quitting I persist. I pride myself in driving it into the ground!
Past campaigns were to learn to SMASH a handball off the back wall, learn the tennis serve, become a decent runner, and others. I finished those as well as anyone my age could have done.
Now it is golf. I intend to learn a very good golf swing. I intend to be able to smoothly hit fairways down the middle and greens from the fairways-- I might even become a decent putter, ha.
So I do slow motion drills during the hours before I go to the driving range. I stand up here in my office and do footwork drills, stretching a rubber tube as I "swing."
See ya out there! I will be the old gray headed nutcase, ha
A lot of bad golf being played today is based in economics and time. Many players grab a round at the local publinx when they can. They don't have time to practice and can't afford good instruction. As a former union rep, I knew plenty of guys for whom golf was a nine hole league game, once a week after work, and that's that.
Lots of those guys break fifty, with ill-fitting store bought clubs, and for them, that's a good achievement. Most of us here don't acknowledge that those of us who get to enjoy golf on our own terms represent a significant minority.
That's true to an extent. But with driving ranges, golf mags, TGC, etc. there are alot of avenues for improvement other than on course time.
True, but most union guys are lazy and don't read so well. Right Nibbler?
Yeah, otherwise they would be management, ha.
Actually I always wonder what union guys think as they walk down a Shopping Center Mall hallway-- little family businesses on both sides, each owned by a former union member who girded his loins and jumped into business for himself. Is walking in front of those businesses like the Gauntlet? Enemies grabbing at you from both sides? ha
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