So indoor golf has strong similarities to internet forum golf. For a while there I thought I had inadvertently gone into the review section and was reading a review from a 90's shooter.
Yeah, I'd say it's similar. For some reason indoor golf loves my ball flight. Every club in my bag was at least 30 yards longer than real life, but my buddies would be close to reality. Weird. I would say the optimum launch angle for distance was about 8 degrees. I'm sure it's just a math problem from there where it takes the ball speed and launch. Little stinger style 3 irons (that I know for a fact would hook 30 yards) were getting 250+. The place we go doesn't seem to take any sidespin into account. There's a chopper I play with who hits a push-hook with every club in the bag and was getting massive slices indoors because he kept hitting the right side of the screen. He's a 16 cap and still shot an 81.
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Yeah, I'd say it's similar. For some reason indoor golf loves my ball flight. Every club in my bag was at least 30 yards longer than real life, but my buddies would be close to reality. Weird. I would say the optimum launch angle for distance was about 8 degrees. I'm sure it's just a math problem from there where it takes the ball speed and launch. Little stinger style 3 irons (that I know for a fact would hook 30 yards) were getting 250+. The place we go doesn't seem to take any sidespin into account. There's a chopper I play with who hits a push-hook with every club in the bag and was getting massive slices indoors because he kept hitting the right side of the screen. He's a 16 cap and still shot an 81.
I would love to have one of those machines in the basement of my next house....if the house market ever turns around and I can sell my current one. HB, how's the house selling process going for you?
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I would love to have one of those machines in the basement of my next house....if the house market ever turns around and I can sell my current one. HB, how's the house selling process going for you?
I think they cost around 30K. I've got 10 foot ceilings in the basement in the new place, so if my wife ever leaves me, I'm putting one in.
We've had quite a few people walk through the place, but no offers so far. April 10th is our closing date on the new place, so time is getting tight. We've got our house listed at about 90% of what it would have been worth 2 years ago, but still aren't getting any offers and our house is in as good a condition as you could possibly expect. Much nicer than the houses that sold for more than our list just a year ago.
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I think they cost around 30K. I've got 10 foot ceilings in the basement in the new place, so if my wife ever leaves me, I'm putting one in.
We've had quite a few people walk through the place, but no offers so far. April 10th is our closing date on the new place, so time is getting tight. We've got our house listed at about 90% of what it would have been worth 2 years ago, but still aren't getting any offers and our house is in as good a condition as you could possibly expect. Much nicer than the houses that sold for more than our list just a year ago.
I had a similar real estate problem as you about two years ago. I had bought a new place and tried to put my one bedder aprtment on the market, but the thursday before it went on interest rates here went up again and I got no serious offers. I had to rent it out for a year at great cost as interest rates kept going up, then put it on the market again and sold it last year, about 1 week before interst rates began to tumble, and rents skyrocketed. If we had kept it the rent would have covered the mortgage, but at the time you can't predict these things. Hope your ending is happier than mine.
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I've been going out on Thursdays and wearing myself out. Last week it was 50 holes in which I played decently. Today it was 30 holes in which I played the first 18 well, but played the last 12 like ****. Tomorrow I have all day to play again with a Wolf game happening after noon. I'm going to go out and just work on my short game early and try not to wear myself out by the time the Wolf game starts.
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Got a round in on Friday. Started off really rusty. I was 6 over after 4 holes. Shot the remaining 14 holes 2 over with 2 birdies, 2 bogies, and one double. Shot the last 9 even. Chipping was spot on with one chip in and many saves. Shot a 80, posted a 79. The course is a 71.2/137 play from the 6200 yard tees; ground was wet and did not get any roll on any of the shots.
Thanks BJ.
Nope, just a bit colder than usual. Mostly in the 30's and 40's and overcast. We had a mixed bag of snow, hail, rain, and sun breaks yesterday. I'm getting plenty of range practice but it's hard to spend any time putting and chipping in these conditions.
Part of my slow start was due to the long weekend trip I took to Tucson. I played on some nice courses and the greens were rolling fast. It took me about 5 holes to adjust to the slow bumpy greens here in portland and how much the ball checked on chips and pitches. That the the OB drive on 2 didn't help.
I played in my first Utah Golf Association tournament of 2009 today. Beats working on a Friday.
I validated last year's +1 score and should be in the money again. I almost made a 9 iron (2 inch tap in for bird after backing it up) and a hybrid from 200+ on 18th to finish with a 1 inch tap in for bird. It tried to go in...the group saw it rattling in the hole. #18 green is a double green with #9 and a guy playing 9 talked to us after we finished. He heard it hit the stick.
Just thought I'd share my weekends events. Lost the teams event, and the A grade individual event. On countbacks!!!!! So instead of $50 and vouchers and two balls, I get two golf balls. And to top it off, in the teams we were beat by high handicap choppers whose lowest marker was higher than our highest so they probably shot at least 15 shots more than us off scratch. And the guy who got me in the singles had 2 shots more on his cap.
Not Happy.
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Got another 18 in today. Not much to mention other than it was supposed to snow today and it ended up sunny and in the 50's. I feel like I got my first golf sunburn this season hehe.
I shot 5 over and only birdied the easiest scoring hole...pretty much unmotivated golf.
It was my first round in my site's second tournament of the season...+3 Net. No trophy for me hehe.
I missed being in the money with the 73 by 1 stroke this year. Bummer. I barely made it last year with a 73...a 74 would have won nothing.
Oh well, I never collected on the winnings last year (only $31 credit) because it's kind of out of the way. It would just be nice to have done well enough to win something. I think missing the one foot putt for par on #2 after a really nice chip had something to do with it hehe. I also left a 4 foot birdie putt on a par 5 late in the round short...by several inches hehe. I thought I made up for those with the two tap-in birdies and 4 total birdies, though.
I didn't feel like I putted that well, but I only had 28 putts with 10 GIR. I made a couple of putts and had the two tap-ins.
65 won it. The tournament record is 63. 69 won it last year.
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I am not a fan of Phil, but I don't see any point in making fun of any of hit physical characteristics. I guess it is because my body is not perfect.
Well, hell, James, in real life we can be polite and serious, but this is the internet where we get to allow the inner beast to come out and play . . . . . .
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It was a sunny day in Oklahoma with temps in low 70s and wind between 10 and 15 MPH. I shot an 85 and could kick myself because of just dumb shite that cost me unnecessary strokes. I am so close to dropping into the 70s for the first time in my life, but dumb decisions between the 100 yard marker and the green are costing me strokes. My driver was excellent today, the Thriver was accurate, my iron play was excellent, my putting was decent, but my wedge play and chipping was poor despite the fact that I chipped in for a birdie on the first Par 5 I played today. We are still playing on dead grass here in Oklahoma, and while this is no problem whenever I am taking an aggressive swing with my irons, I usually hit it fat taking less than a full swing within 100 yards. Once we start getting a little grass under the ball I expect to see my score get better by about 5 strokes at least because that has been the trend the last 4 years. However, I need to learn to hit the short shots off thin surfaces to be a complete golfer.
I will be heading out again tomorrow . . . . .
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It was a sunny day in Oklahoma with temps in low 70s and wind between 10 and 15 MPH. I shot an 85 and could kick myself because of just dumb shite that cost me unnecessary strokes. I am so close to dropping into the 70s for the first time in my life, but dumb decisions between the 100 yard marker and the green are costing me strokes. My driver was excellent today, the Thriver was accurate, my iron play was excellent, my putting was decent, but my wedge play and chipping was poor despite the fact that I chipped in for a birdie on the first Par 5 I played today. We are still playing on dead grass here in Oklahoma, and while this is no problem whenever I am taking an aggressive swing with my irons, I usually hit it fat taking less than a full swing within 100 yards. Once we start getting a little grass under the ball I expect to see my score get better by about 5 strokes at least because that has been the trend the last 4 years. However, I need to learn to hit the short shots off thin surfaces to be a complete golfer.
I will be heading out again tomorrow . . . . .
You've built a Thriver (like Edgey). Now add a Niblick (like Edgey) and you'll carve those last few shots off your scores and be shooting in the 70's (like Edgey).
It was a sunny day in Oklahoma with temps in low 70s and wind between 10 and 15 MPH. I shot an 85 and could kick myself because of just dumb shite that cost me unnecessary strokes. I am so close to dropping into the 70s for the first time in my life, but dumb decisions between the 100 yard marker and the green are costing me strokes. My driver was excellent today, the Thriver was accurate, my iron play was excellent, my putting was decent, but my wedge play and chipping was poor despite the fact that I chipped in for a birdie on the first Par 5 I played today. We are still playing on dead grass here in Oklahoma, and while this is no problem whenever I am taking an aggressive swing with my irons, I usually hit it fat taking less than a full swing within 100 yards. Once we start getting a little grass under the ball I expect to see my score get better by about 5 strokes at least because that has been the trend the last 4 years. However, I need to learn to hit the short shots off thin surfaces to be a complete golfer.
I will be heading out again tomorrow . . . . .
There is no doubt less than full shots off bare lies are difficult, but not impossible. IMO the main reason you are probably hitting them fat is a lack of commitment to the shot, and deceleration on the down swing. I know that because I'm as guilty of it as you. When I'm thinking straight though, the way I approach these it take a shorter and slightly steeper backswing and concentrate on hitting down into the back of the ball with a full follow through. The key is ball first contact, and I feel a steeper swing helps achieve that. It's still a tough shot if it's anything less than a half swing (inside 90 yards) so I suppose the other thing to do is to use course management to get it into the go zone without getting too close. Another advantage of these shots off bare lies is that the ball absolutely spins its tits off. You can really get it to talk when it hits the green. When you get confidence in this shot you will almost look forward to bare lies for the 90 to 100 yard shots.
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There is no doubt less than full shots off bare lies are difficult, but not impossible. IMO the main reason you are probably hitting them fat is a lack of commitment to the shot, and deceleration on the down swing. I know that because I'm as guilty of it as you. When I'm thinking straight though, the way I approach these it take a shorter and slightly steeper backswing and concentrate on hitting down into the back of the ball with a full follow through. The key is ball first contact, and I feel a steeper swing helps achieve that. It's still a tough shot if it's anything less than a half swing (inside 90 yards) so I suppose the other thing to do is to use course management to get it into the go zone without getting too close. Another advantage of these shots off bare lies is that the ball absolutely spins its tits off. You can really get it to talk when it hits the green. When you get confidence in this shot you will almost look forward to bare lies for the 90 to 100 yard shots.
I went out and shot an 83 today. I'm so close to breaking into the 70s that I can sniff it everytime out now . . . . . my putting was not good today though.
You are right on the lack of committment to the shot, NAH. I'm so afraid that I am going to fly past the green that I tend to take a little off the downswing and that usually causes my problems.
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There is no doubt less than full shots off bare lies are difficult, but not impossible. IMO the main reason you are probably hitting them fat is a lack of commitment to the shot, and deceleration on the down swing. I know that because I'm as guilty of it as you. When I'm thinking straight though, the way I approach these it take a shorter and slightly steeper backswing and concentrate on hitting down into the back of the ball with a full follow through. The key is ball first contact, and I feel a steeper swing helps achieve that. It's still a tough shot if it's anything less than a half swing (inside 90 yards) so I suppose the other thing to do is to use course management to get it into the go zone without getting too close. Another advantage of these shots off bare lies is that the ball absolutely spins its tits off. You can really get it to talk when it hits the green. When you get confidence in this shot you will almost look forward to bare lies for the 90 to 100 yard shots.
These are really easy shots if you apply a zero leverage swing.
These are really easy shots if you apply a zero leverage swing.
Really? You know anyone who can elaborate on this theory, or perhaps even provide some sort of swing aid device like a little box you can attach to your shoe or something? I'm listening.
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Well, I'm almost back. I played on Friday afternoon and Saturday morning at the SPCC. I've boiled down my swing changes into 3 thoughts; one-piece takeaway, right elbow attached to my body on the downswing, hit the ball with my body. It's still too much to be thinking about, but I played pretty well in stretches where I focused on these keys.
Friday, I started out even through 7, but finished double, bogie on the last two. I got in another 4 holes and was 2 over. Nothing to write home about, but at least the swing was producing golf shots instead of pull hooks. Saturday was a bit of a step back on the front, but I hit 8 of 9 on the back. Not there yet, but close.
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Well, I'm almost back. I played on Friday afternoon and Saturday morning at the SPCC. I've boiled down my swing changes into 3 thoughts; one-piece takeaway, right elbow attached to my body on the downswing, hit the ball with my body. It's still too much to be thinking about, but I played pretty well in stretches where I focused on these keys.
Friday, I started out even through 7, but finished double, bogie on the last two. I got in another 4 holes and was 2 over. Nothing to write home about, but at least the swing was producing golf shots instead of pull hooks. Saturday was a bit of a step back on the front, but I hit 8 of 9 on the back. Not there yet, but close.
what's the website for the SPCC?
Be glad we aren't getting all of the government we're paying for.
Well, I'm almost back. I played on Friday afternoon and Saturday morning at the SPCC. I've boiled down my swing changes into 3 thoughts; one-piece takeaway, right elbow attached to my body on the downswing, hit the ball with my body. It's still too much to be thinking about, but I played pretty well in stretches where I focused on these keys.
Friday, I started out even through 7, but finished double, bogie on the last two. I got in another 4 holes and was 2 over. Nothing to write home about, but at least the swing was producing golf shots instead of pull hooks. Saturday was a bit of a step back on the front, but I hit 8 of 9 on the back. Not there yet, but close.
Another example of how working things out on your own, whilst using real game improvement clubs (blades), has succeeded where lessons and cast SGI POS CB hacker shovels would have failed miserably.
Let this be an example to all those Larrys, DMs and PMs who advocate running like a little girl to a teacher at the first sign of trouble. The way a real man gets better is by pulling your sleeves up, manning up with a set of real golf clubs, and digging yourself out of the dirt on the practice range.
Lessons are for dumb arse losers.
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Another example of how working things out on your own, whilst using real game improvement clubs (blades), has succeeded where lessons and cast SGI POS CB hacker shovels would have failed miserably.
Let this be an example to all those Larrys, DMs and PMs who advocate running like a little girl to a teacher at the first sign of trouble. The way a real man gets better is by pulling your sleeves up, manning up with a set of real golf clubs, and digging yourself out of the dirt on the practice range.
Lessons are for dumb arse losers.
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your smilies are growing on me though sooner. i must admit that. if you put real shafts in your irons and lost about 5 degrees on your driver i'd really be into them.
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your smilies are growing on me though sooner. i must admit that. if you put real shafts in your irons and lost about 5 degrees on your driver i'd really be into them.
I don't want you getting too chummy with me. It induces images in my mind of the movie Deliverance . . . .
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One of my psychotic friends decided that it would be a good idea to stuff four fat old guys, their golf bags, and their luggage into his forty year old Piper Cherokee Six, this to close out the winter golf season on Cape Cod. Amazingly, the shuddering single-engined crate actually got off the ground twice. Miraculously, it came back to Earth in one piece an equal number of times.
Death-wish aviation side, my primary goal was to shake off some rust and to shake out some innovative new concepts in set configuration. While doing this, however, I managed one truly excellent round--a six-over 77. The breakdown for my Red Grange.
I chopped the five par 3s like a crazed Saladmaster gone amuck [four bogies, one par-19].
I managed the nine par fours pretty close to handicap [one double, three bogies, five pars-41].
I devoured the four par fives with some fava beans and a nice Chianti [two pars (one a three-putt on a very bumpy green), one bird, one eagle-17].
On the tougher track, I shot some near-bowling scores, but as I said, I got some good work out of it. By the end of the trip, I was calling my beagle on the phone and dying to get home--and believe me, dying seemed like a distinct possibility on that ridiculous little puddle-jumper. I had to be out of my f*cking mind.
What's winter golf like on Cape Cod? I know other Bay Staters that do that. I would think the temps aren't really that different than Boston.
Well, as I originally intended, I took the KBS shafts out of the KZG's and am trying them in the MP-32-s to see which I prefer. These shafts make the 32-s alot better for me than the stock DG's I previously played in them. If fact, it's like a whole new set of clubs.
If you can get over the sticker shock, the KBS's are really excellent shafts. They're so smooth, they enhance my tempo with my irons. And that seems to have carried over to my other clubs.
Now I just have to figure out which irons I like better. Fact is I'd be happy with either. The ZO's are a little easier to cut, but it's also a little easier to lose the ball left. I'm beginning to think the best way to play most shots with them is with a slight fade.
The fade helps the score, particularly on the course I usually play, but straight or a slight draw is nicer to watch.
What's winter golf like on Cape Cod? I know other Bay Staters that do that. I would think the temps aren't really that different than Boston.
Well, as I originally intended, I took the KBS shafts out of the KZG's and am trying them in the MP-32-s to see which I prefer. These shafts make the 32-s alot better for me than the stock DG's I previously played in them. If fact, it's like a whole new set of clubs.
If you can get over the sticker shock, the KBS's are really excellent shafts. They're so smooth, they enhance my tempo with my irons. And that seems to have carried over to my other clubs.
Now I just have to figure out which irons I like better. Fact is I'd be happy with either. The ZO's are a little easier to cut, but it's also a little easier to lose the ball left. I'm beginning to think the best way to play most shots with them is with a slight fade.
The fade helps the score, particularly on the course I usually play, but straight or a slight draw is nicer to watch.
I noticed you were back playing the 32s. They are certainly more forgiving than the ZOs. Just thought I would update you on my experience with the kbs tours. Previously I got stiff flex taper tip and softstepped them twice. I was not happy with the results. My clubmaker had some kbs he had pulled lying around so i am giving them a go. This time they are .370 parallel, regular flex that have been tip trimmed to "firm". They feel very smooth with slightly higher flight but no loss of distance. so far they seem very good.
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They seem more forgiving and maybe they are, but I played the 32-s for a couple of years so I may just be more used to them. If I was focused purely on score, I have to say I'd stick with the ZO's and favor a fade. But I'm not playing for a living and prefer to draw my irons, except when I want to fade because of the particular shot. If I stick with the 32*s I need to replace them because of wear.
I like the KBS's more and more the longer I play them. At this point, to get them from me you'd have to pry them out of my ex-wife's cold, dead hands.
As I think about it, I might be happier without them.
They seem more forgiving and maybe they are, but I played the 32-s for a couple of years so I may just be more used to them. If I was focused purely on score, I have to say I'd stick with the ZO's and favor a fade. But I'm not playing for a living and prefer to draw my irons, except when I want to fade because of the particular shot. If I stick with the 32*s I need to replace them because of wear.
I like the KBS's more and more the longer I play them. At this point, to get them from me you'd have to pry them out of my ex-wife's cold, dead hands.
As I think about it, I might be happier without them.
Yep, I'm also really digging the KBS Tours. I played 3 rounds in Phoenix this past weekend and was really happy with them. Based on my 5 or 6 rounds this year (not counting Florida which was a total disaster), I think I've gained at least a full club on all my irons. I'm going to attribute that to the KBS Tours since my lofts on all my irons are weaker. It is taking some getting used to though. I have an ideal "smooth sandwedge" distance that is going much further than I'm used to. It sucks putting the ball to a mentally ingrained perfect yardage, making a good swing, and watching the ball fly to the back of the green.
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I gained about a club at first, smoothed the tempo a bit, dropped a half club and now back to about a full club perhaps because I'm getting more familiar with them.
I don't know your normal tempo, but I seem to get them to work best with a slightly slower tempo, which I should have been using anyways. It's amazing how well they work with easy swings. I know right away when I speed up because the ball flight gets higher.
It's all well and good to go into a detailed critique of the KBS tours, but you haven't answered the pertinent GR question for equipment: Have they dropped four shots off your handicap?
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Not so much. I'm taking a different route with my swing that should make the shaft irrelevant. There's this 66 year old newbie golfing guru whose advice I've been taking. Golf coach isn't entirely valid, more like life coach. He's got me using a pivot for power in conjunction with a whippy tempomaster, building a bunker in my basement, and acting like a pretentious dirtbag. I'm loving it. All you rank amateurs should try to be like me.
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Don't forget to buy many rolls of "ribbon" to perform drills (or for binding your opponent if you start to lose). It's good that you completely understand there is only one way to swing a golf club and have made the commitment to The Pivot for Power.
HB, could you please video all of your drills/lessons/life adventures and post them here with very long narratives. You know we have many hours to read about all your ventures and we are most curious about your progress to become a middle aged mid capper and Pivot for Power evangelist.
Naah....I'm more interested in learning how to hit a golf ball over 350 yards using a clubhead tied to the end of a string. Only then will I build a bunker in my basement, do the dirtbag thing, etc.
Not so much. I'm taking a different route with my swing that should make the shaft irrelevant. There's this 66 year old newbie golfing guru whose advice I've been taking. Golf coach isn't entirely valid, more like life coach. He's got me using a pivot for power in conjunction with a whippy tempomaster, building a bunker in my basement, and acting like a pretentious dirtbag. I'm loving it. All you rank amateurs should try to be like me.
You should be knocking down every pin in no time.
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I played very uninspired golf...the greens weren't cut and I knew no putts would go in...I only had one birdie all day and that was on a par 5. I missed a 3 1/2 foot birdie putt on #16 and hit a 3 wood against the wind to 2 1/2 feet on #17 and missed that, too.
39-39 on a relatively harmless course and 2 hcp...still, it was nice to be outside in the sun
There is a little par 3 in my home town that I usually play a few times before venturing out to the par 70s courses just to get my irons into tune. Plus, it's open all winter unless there is snow on the course. I shot a 3 over and a 1 over for my two rounds there. Sunday I played a full 18 and shot a 7 over par for a 79. I cannot complain too much, it was windy and my first time out. I am losing my driver to the right on some of the holes, which cost me a few shots right there. It cost me at least 4 shots.
We got lucky and ended up with much better weather than expected Saturday. I played in a Chicago men's league tournament with my golf buddy. I shot 79 gross which isn't bad from the tips there (73.5 rating), but I only had one birdie and came up way short of my quota.
Today, I started earlier than usual for just a practice round and played a quick 18. Now, I'm back home watching The Masters with lots of time left in the tournament. This is how every day should be hehe.
Here are my cards...40-39 79 Saturday at Valley View and 34-40 74 at Mountain View
I played yesterday in less than ideal conditions. Cold and wet. I turned in an 82. I can't wait for my handicap to go up to where I've been playing because I am everyone's cash machine at the SPCC.
I had 4 drives that I had to pitch out sideways, and I'm a pretty aggressive player who will usually try to get close to the green when stymied.
Best shot was a hook onto the green of our #1 handicap hole from just under 200. Worst shot was my snapper tee shot on the 460 yd par 4 10th. Or the snapper on the 11th. A case could be made for either of these pieces of shite.
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I'll be heading out for a quick 9 today, since I usually have shortend office days on Friday. I'll be using the old Ben Hogan apex blades today, 2-pw, but otherwise with my normal clubs (woods & wedges) and no hybrid. I'll post the results in the next day or two.
Hi there, just posting the score from yesterday's 9 holes. I went my my old Hogan apex blades and shot a 39 (par was 35). So I am very happy about the result. Struck the ball well, and probably could of had a 37 if I made two 12 foot putts. Had a crisp 2 iron approach on a par 5 and a nice crisp 2 iron tee shot.
Thanks for the comments on the 39. I usually do better in relation to par for 9 holes than 18, it is probably focus related, plus I walk 9 and cart 18 (I think riding a cart does effect play). I used to get majorly pissed about bad rounds, but I am just happy to be out there playing again in the past few years, and guess what the scores for the most part went down.
The rain held off up here in the Nutmeg State today, so I spent some time in the practice green and bunkers.
I've played very little weekend golf since I retired, preferring to leave the course to those who can only use it on weekends. When I do play a Saturday or Sunday round, these days, it never turns out to be one of my better ones.
If my adult children played the game, that would probably change--but my son doesn't play at all and my daughter plays sporadically (and left handed for whatever reason).
SPCC Opening Day Tournament.
I'm almost back to playing good golf. I played some really good shots, and some really terrible shots. 4 birdies and a 78 (which is right at my course cap). Normally when I have 4 birdies the score is close to par, but I'm still doing some inexplicable things. I had 2 junk tee shots where I stood up on the downswing and hit thin slices. I had a topped shot where I was playing just a slightly punched 7 iron. I almost had a shank on a 3/4 sand wedge shot.
I did hit 2 of the par 5's in 2 and finally hit a couple decent half wedges (semi-shank not inclusive).
My team shot 15 under in a 2 best ball format to tie with 4 other teams for 4th. Scorecard playoff wasn't kind so we got 7th. My foursome splits $30.
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I had one of my best ball striking days in ages on the weekend. I hit 10 GIR and 75% FIR (for the benefit of those DB's who think these stats are more important than scores) but our greens had been cored so there was no way I was going to sink many putts from outside 6 feet (in fact I didn't sink any form that range). I was stanbding on the 15th tee one over off the beater, but then my nemisis reared it's ugly head and a perfectly struck iron to the middle of the fgairway took a sharp bounce straight left into the rough and leaving me with an awkward angle of approach being OB into play (this same hole has ruined numeorus good rounds for me under the same circumstances of a perfect tee shot being punished). I hit it in the bukner and took bogey from what should have been great birdie chance, and it unravelled from there for a hacker 5 over. But until that hideously unfair bounce on 15 I was in total control of my swing, a feeling I had not experienced for some time.
But this has created a new dilemna, as on Saturday I decided to take the shovels (Wilson deep red fat shafts) out for a hit just for something different, and they produced. I am seriously pondering whether it was the clubs or me. One thing that I have noticed about the shovels is that they seem to be a better fit for me length wise as the GFF were bought off the rack and are probably 1/2 inch short form me. The GFF are standard length but I've been measured at 1/2 inch long. The Wilsons are 1/2 inch longer than the GFF and felt a little more comfortable at address. As much as I hate to admit it, the Wilsons also saved me on a few less than perfectly hit shots that still made the green or found the fairway. This has al left me with a very tough decision to make in the next few weeks. Obviously the GFF are going back in the bag this week as I would like to see how they go when I'm hitting it so well, but if it does turn out that the Wilsons give me better scores I will be faced with the prospect turining my back on every ideal I hold sacred just to get a better score. Maybe I will have to see if the Wilsons drop 4 shots off my cap before jumping to any conclusions
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I had one of my best ball striking days in ages on the weekend. I hit 10 GIR and 75% FIR (for the benefit of those DB's who think these stats are more important than scores) but our greens had been cored so there was no way I was going to sink many putts from outside 6 feet (in fact I didn't sink any form that range). I was stanbding on the 15th tee one over off the beater, but then my nemisis reared it's ugly head and a perfectly struck iron to the middle of the fgairway took a sharp bounce straight left into the rough and leaving me with an awkward angle of approach being OB into play (this same hole has ruined numeorus good rounds for me under the same circumstances of a perfect tee shot being punished). I hit it in the bukner and took bogey from what should have been great birdie chance, and it unravelled from there for a hacker 5 over. But until that hideously unfair bounce on 15 I was in total control of my swing, a feeling I had not experienced for some time.
But this has created a new dilemna, as on Saturday I decided to take the shovels (Wilson deep red fat shafts) out for a hit just for something different, and they produced. I am seriously pondering whether it was the clubs or me. One thing that I have noticed about the shovels is that they seem to be a better fit for me length wise as the GFF were bought off the rack and are probably 1/2 inch short form me. The GFF are standard length but I've been measured at 1/2 inch long. The Wilsons are 1/2 inch longer than the GFF and felt a little more comfortable at address. As much as I hate to admit it, the Wilsons also saved me on a few less than perfectly hit shots that still made the green or found the fairway. This has al left me with a very tough decision to make in the next few weeks. Obviously the GFF are going back in the bag this week as I would like to see how they go when I'm hitting it so well, but if it does turn out that the Wilsons give me better scores I will be faced with the prospect turining my back on every ideal I hold sacred just to get a better score. Maybe I will have to see if the Wilsons drop 4 shots off my cap before jumping to any conclusions
Hacker, you're finally seeing the light. Put those Wilson shovels in the bag permanently and sell those GFF myths to some other delusional dreamer who thinks that GFF have some sort of mystical qualities that will help them become a better ball striker. Its all about the score mate, not what clubs you play.
On the other hand you might want to keep the GFF polished up in case you ever want to impress people with WITB photos.
Really windy and rainy for this time of year in the islands. Yesterday it looked calm and sunny in the morning, so I went out and felt I was hitting the ball about as good as it gets for me. But try putting on the tropical bermuda when you want to make a putt that on true greens you might make.
I typically make my share of up and downs but on the greens here it seems so effin difficult to account for bounce, spin, grain and break. So my score didn't step up the way my game did.
But I was so happy with how I was swinging, I decided to play again in the afternoon. The wind came up, 30-40 mph, as did the clouds and drizzle but I ended up shooting the same score I did in the morning. The tough part was how much the wind affected the putts.
After a while we were putting based on wind direction more than anything else. Downwind putts just wouldn't stop, so we found ourselves trying to land the ball on the greens where we'd have an against the wind putt. Never experienced that before.
Today it's pretty rainy. If you have Hawaiian plans, bear in mind the weather's been worse this spring than anyone can remember.
Hacker, you're finally seeing the light. Put those Wilson shovels in the bag permanently and sell those GFF myths to some other delusional dreamer who thinks that GFF have some sort of mystical qualities that will help them become a better ball striker. Its all about the score mate, not what clubs you play.
On the other hand you might want to keep the GFF polished up in case you ever want to impress people with WITB photos.
I'm thinking that if I want to keep them I'll have to get them reshafted which could be an expensive exercise. When I got them regripped a few months back I found out that they had already been plugged to lengthen them so adding more length that way isn't really an option, and I'm not a fan of putting plugs in to lengthen shafts in the first place. Might be easier to sell them on ebay and use the cash to pick up a new set that fits better. Problem for me is that there probably won't be too many sets coming up that are 1/2 inch long. I've got a backup set of PGF players cavities that were fitted for me at my parents house so if I feel the need for a workable club I can always get them out. I think for the time being the Wilsons will stay in the bag to see how things go.
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I'm thinking that if I want to keep them I'll have to get them reshafted which could be an expensive exercise. When I got them regripped a few months back I found out that they had already been plugged to lengthen them so adding more length that way isn't really an option, and I'm not a fan of putting plugs in to lengthen shafts in the first place. Might be easier to sell them on ebay and use the cash to pick up a new set that fits better. Problem for me is that there probably won't be too many sets coming up that are 1/2 inch long. I've got a backup set of PGF players cavities that were fitted for me at my parents house so if I feel the need for a workable club I can always get them out. I think for the time being the Wilsons will stay in the bag to see how things go.
I'll be honest here and say that this is a post I never thought I'd read!
I drove 500 miles round trip yesterday to play in a large multicorporation scramble for United Way fundraising.
ugly day with irons, wedges and putter.. but for some reason my driver was complete magic.
I mashed everything 280 down the middle, or better.. played one par 4 short-teed at 311 and rolled it up next to the green... played another shortie at 280, FLEW it onto the green and it went over-- into water I couldn't see. @#$%^&*....
I hit two slight heeled fades, but the other 12 were all striped and crushed.. we shot 10 under, made 8 birdies in a row and one eagle... didn't place, but these things are always loaded with hustlers.
I haven't played a round in several months, and the golf muscles are weak.. but the Gods of Golf smiled down upon me off the tee yesterday, at Cypresswood Tradition course in Houston.. :-)))
who cares what the score is, it's how far you hit it that counts! :-)
p.s. I won the Long Drive hole too.
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Nice job, Dave. I always play much worse off the tee in scrambles. I usually go last, and as long as someone puts a drive marginally in play, I'm going for the career drive. Doesn't really work out very well.
We had a scramble event a couple weekends ago. The thing I hate about scrambles is the aggressive style of play that even the choppers take. We'll be 240 or whatever to the green on a par 5, and the 3 guys in front of me all want to hit 3 wood. 2 snappers and a top later, and I'm laying up with a 7 iron. Same thing with doglegs and whatnot, where the better players can really give an advantage as long as something is in play.
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I know how you feel in scrambles, but you've got to learn to put your foot down. As low cap you should also be captain, and as captain you should be laying down the law that none of the choppers even think about pulling driver til a ball is in play. Same goes for second shots into par 5's. Order the first up chop to lay up so the real golfers can have a go.
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I drove 500 miles round trip yesterday to play in a large multicorporation scramble for United Way fundraising.
ugly day with irons, wedges and putter.. but for some reason my driver was complete magic.
I mashed everything 280 down the middle, or better.. played one par 4 short-teed at 311 and rolled it up next to the green... played another shortie at 280, FLEW it onto the green and it went over-- into water I couldn't see. @#$%^&*....
I hit two slight heeled fades, but the other 12 were all striped and crushed.. we shot 10 under, made 8 birdies in a row and one eagle... didn't place, but these things are always loaded with hustlers.
I haven't played a round in several months, and the golf muscles are weak.. but the Gods of Golf smiled down upon me off the tee yesterday, at Cypresswood Tradition course in Houston.. :-)))
who cares what the score is, it's how far you hit it that counts! :-)
p.s. I won the Long Drive hole too.
why the hell do you have an x-flex driver shaft when you consider 280 yards "mashed?"
most people will be humbled if they played a few rounds with a GPS device like skycaddie.
arkansas has been indundated with rain the last couple of weeks. i played last week. it was obviously cart path only & no wind at all. my drives got 0 roll out, a couple of them even backed up from the pitch mark, which was deeper than most normal ball marks on the green from a 9 iron. according to skycaddie, my best drives were 265-270 and that was all carry to the pitch mark. that would be about right since normal conditions I would get about 10-15 yards of roll to about 280-285.
while watching that Quail Hollow tourney last week, did you guys see the roll out the pros were getting on their drives? bubba watson hit one that had to roll damn near 100 yards. hell i could be getting 300 on courses like that.
however, on my not-so-well struck drives, ie low on the face, toe'd, whatever, i was getting only 230-240 carry. big difference.
Be glad we aren't getting all of the government we're paying for.
most people will be humbled if they played a few rounds with a GPS device like skycaddie.
arkansas has been indundated with rain the last couple of weeks. i played last week. it was obviously cart path only & no wind at all. my drives got 0 roll out, a couple of them even backed up from the pitch mark, which was deeper than most normal ball marks on the green from a 9 iron. according to skycaddie, my best drives were 265-270 and that was all carry to the pitch mark. that would be about right since normal conditions I would get about 10-15 yards of roll to about 280-285.
while watching that Quail Hollow tourney last week, did you guys see the roll out the pros were getting on their drives? bubba watson hit one that had to roll damn near 100 yards. hell i could be getting 300 on courses like that.
however, on my not-so-well struck drives, ie low on the face, toe'd, whatever, i was getting only 230-240 carry. big difference.
sounds like you and me hit it almost exactly the same. I remember a round last year in Houston where the fairways were sneaky muddy and several tee shots either half-plugged or stopped right next to the pitch mark.. between 265 and 275 out of a drive that would go 300 up here in Dallas.. aargh. :-)
And those downhill bounces at QH were awesome.. looked like their tee shots accelerated after their first landing.. like the old rubber 'superball'...
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yeah then you'll hear about phil or JB carrying a drive 320+ on level ground. that's a whole other level i'm likely to never see. have you demo'd the xls dave? i doubt it's any different from the xl, but that fit-on red never worked for me. the gold in the xls however gives me straight or a slight fade. it doesn't quite feel at tip-stiff as the aldila nv i had in the R, so i'm wondering if that's why i've gained a few yards in carry.
i love a driver that removes the left side of the course for me.
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yeah then you'll hear about phil or JB carrying a drive 320+ on level ground. that's a whole other level i'm likely to never see. have you demo'd the xls dave? i doubt it's any different from the xl, but that fit-on red never worked for me. the gold in the xls however gives me straight or a slight fade. it doesn't quite feel at tip-stiff as the aldila nv i had in the R, so i'm wondering if that's why i've gained a few yards in carry.
i love a driver that removes the left side of the course for me.
and you can hear it, too... a 280 carry is a monster blast for me.. Holmes' ball is still going UP at that point.. :-)
I didn't like the red Stiff in my driver, but only because it was a bit uncontrollable.. that V2 X is the perfect driver shaft for me, not broomstick but I don't have to consciously slow down to keep from whipping it wild... I never even considered the gold because tip-active in a driver for me just makes crazy backspin that sends a tee shot climbing like a rocket and drops and stops at 250... I've had them before... no dice...
and I haven't tried the XLS, or anything else since I got used to this XL, cuz it's just been so good. I know I'm not going from a 275 carry to a 310 carry with ANYTHING, I'm too fat and old and outta shape.. and none of those is gonna change anytime soon :-) I'm just extremely happy with what I'm hitting.
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and you can hear it, too... a 280 carry is a monster blast for me.. Holmes' ball is still going UP at that point.. :-)
I didn't like the red Stiff in my driver, but only because it was a bit uncontrollable.. that V2 X is the perfect driver shaft for me, not broomstick but I don't have to consciously slow down to keep from whipping it wild... I never even considered the gold because tip-active in a driver for me just makes crazy backspin that sends a tee shot climbing like a rocket and drops and stops at 250... I've had them before... no dice...
and I haven't tried the XLS, or anything else since I got used to this XL, cuz it's just been so good. I know I'm not going from a 275 carry to a 310 carry with ANYTHING, I'm too fat and old and outta shape.. and none of those is gonna change anytime soon :-) I'm just extremely happy with what I'm hitting.
speaking of hearing it, i may need to get some earplugs for his xls. anytime i nut one, my dad can't hear sh!t for the next couple of holes
Be glad we aren't getting all of the government we're paying for.
i did get to watch hank kuehne in person at the fed-ex st. jude in Memphis back in '03 i think. he was the longest hitter on tour at the time at around 315. it was pretty cool seeing the ball go completely out of site. on the way up.
Be glad we aren't getting all of the government we're paying for.
most people will be humbled if they played a few rounds with a GPS device like skycaddie.
arkansas has been indundated with rain the last couple of weeks. i played last week. it was obviously cart path only & no wind at all. my drives got 0 roll out, a couple of them even backed up from the pitch mark, which was deeper than most normal ball marks on the green from a 9 iron. according to skycaddie, my best drives were 265-270 and that was all carry to the pitch mark. that would be about right since normal conditions I would get about 10-15 yards of roll to about 280-285.
while watching that Quail Hollow tourney last week, did you guys see the roll out the pros were getting on their drives? bubba watson hit one that had to roll damn near 100 yards. hell i could be getting 300 on courses like that.
however, on my not-so-well struck drives, ie low on the face, toe'd, whatever, i was getting only 230-240 carry. big difference.
today i drop kicked a drive that carried 280 into the wind and still a good 25 yards roll UP HILL, still mad that i hit the ground first. i swing an 8.5* Cleveland launcher 400 with stock x flex gold fuji shaft. the 400 has a deep face and i tee the ball up maybe an inch off the ground
today i drop kicked a drive that carried 280 into the wind and still a good 25 yards roll UP HILL, still mad that i hit the ground first. i swing an 8.5* Cleveland launcher 400 with stock x flex gold fuji shaft. the 400 has a deep face and i tee the ball up maybe an inch off the ground
those gold shafts have to be the biggest POS fujikura has ever created. a friend of mine (who does good to get it out there 200) snapped his.
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i did get to watch hank kuehne in person at the fed-ex st. jude in Memphis back in '03 i think. he was the longest hitter on tour at the time at around 315. it was pretty cool seeing the ball go completely out of site. on the way up.
Back around 1982 I played a charity tourney in which Big Cat Williams would go a couple holes with each team and his drive would count.
Granted, it was hot and dry west Texas... But he knocked it past the green on a 390 yd downhill par 4 and we chipped backward from there. :-) That was with a wooden head and a steel shaft and a rubber wound titleist.
Shook hands with him on the tee, he has hands the size of suitcases. Just plain built big.
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that's pretty crazy. i read online about a dude named Victor Schwamkrug that played on the Nationwide Tour. Apparantly if he had the game to make the PGA Tour, he would have made bubba & jb look human.
i remember gary mccord talking about him during a nationwide broadcast, he apparantly CARRIES his drives around 340-360 AVERAGE
that's pretty crazy. i read online about a dude named Victor Schwamkrug that played on the Nationwide Tour. Apparantly if he had the game to make the PGA Tour, he would have made bubba & jb look human.
i remember gary mccord talking about him during a nationwide broadcast, he apparantly CARRIES his drives around 340-360 AVERAGE
USGA conforming shaft length is 48 inches. He may just carry a big stick, hell some of the longer players on tour may have an extra inch on all their clubs
I played last Saturday for the first time since dropping from 245 lbs down to my current 211lbs. I shot an 80 at Tanglewood in Fulton, MO. I still am hooking the crap out my driver so I hit 3 iron off the tee on every par four except for two and I hit driver on the par fives. This was my best round in about 4 years. I had nine pars, one eagle, zero birdies, six bogeys and one double bogey to shoot a 41 on the front and a 39 on the back. I pretty much played old man golf, but it was very effective.
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I played last Saturday for the first time since dropping from 245 lbs down to my current 211lbs. I shot an 80 at Tanglewood in Fulton, MO. I still am hooking the crap out my driver so I hit 3 iron off the tee on every par four except for two and I hit driver on the par fives. This was my best round in about 4 years. I had nine pars, one eagle, zero birdies, six bogeys and one double bogey to shoot a 41 on the front and a 39 on the back. I pretty much played old man golf, but it was very effective.
Congrats on the weight loss, a great round and an Eagle. Man that's plenty to be happy about. To come out and shoot your best score in 4 years in your first round of the season is great going.
Is 211 your goal weight or are you planning to shed a few more pounds?
Tell us about the Eagle. Did you hole out on a par 4 approach or reach a par 5 in two and make the putt?
Congrats on the weight loss, a great round and an Eagle. Man that's plenty to be happy about. To come out and shoot your best score in 4 years in your first round of the season is great going.
Is 211 your goal weight or are you planning to shed a few more pounds?
Tell us about the Eagle. Did you hole out on a par 4 approach or reach a par 5 in two and make the putt?
I need to amend my statement as I had seven bogeys. The eagle was the last par five on the course. It is not terribly long at 495 yds but the green is surrounded by water. My drive was deep but in the rough (go figure). I hit a six iron from about 175 that hit the green and rolled to the back fringe. I rolled a 40 footer in for eagle. It was one of those days with the putter. I was pretty pumped.
My target weight is 195 lbs.
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I need to amend my statement as I had seven bogeys. The eagle was the last par five on the course. It is not terribly long at 495 yds but the green is surrounded by water. My drive was deep but in the rough (go figure). I hit a six iron from about 175 that hit the green and rolled to the back fringe. I rolled a 40 footer in for eagle. It was one of those days with the putter. I was pretty pumped.
My target weight is 195 lbs.
A 40 foot putt for Eagle is pretty sweet! Congratulations!
So another 16 pounds to go, wow 50 pounds in total. That's a lot of weight to drop.
A 40 foot putt for Eagle is pretty sweet! Congratulations!
So another 16 pounds to go, wow 50 pounds in total. That's a lot of weight to drop.
Good luck.
It was a lucky putt, but I will take it. It gives me a lot of confidence going into the summer to know that my ball striking is not that bad. I just wish that I could find the fairway with my driver.
50lbs is a lot but my knees and back feel better and I have tons of energy.
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It was a lucky putt, but I will take it. It gives me a lot of confidence going into the summer to know that my ball striking is not that bad. I just wish that I could find the fairway with my driver.
Any putt over 15-20 feet is lucky IMO but we'll take em. My first Eagle was a 25 or 30 foot putt. It was the first time I had hit a par 5 green in two and I was just trying to lag it close to ensure a birdie rather than a 3 putt par. But draining the putt for an Eagle was a welcome bonus.
My game is the opposite of yours at the moment. I'm finding the fairway with most of my drives and my misses aren't too bad but my iron play/ball striking totally sucks lately. That and my putting is leading to some cr@ppy scores.
Congrats on the weightloss dude. I'm embarking on a diet/exercise program and would like to lose those sorts of numbers. My situation was even more dire than I thought when I jumped on the scales the other night and saw the number 100.3 (kilos!) come up. That's 221 pounds in the old scale. I've never been that heavy and am disgusted with myself. I know the extra weight is affecting my ability to finish off a round and I'm concerned it is affecting my swing. It's good to see that your weight loss has resulted in a great round, it gives me motivation to get in there and work harder on getting the weight off and keeping it off.
Kiwi,
You are absloutely right about putts involving luck, it's been proven scientifically. I read an article once where they showed that golf balls are not designed to roll perfectly straight. The dimples needed for aerodynamics result in the golf ball not having a perfectly even surface, so you don't get a perfectly straight roll. The boffins rolled golfballs on a billiard table from a secure ramp and poseted the results against pool balls, and the dispersion for golf balls was quite large. Not sure of the exact number, but from memory their conclusions were that any putt outside of nine feet could deviate enough to miss even on a perfectly read and struck shot some of the time. Obviously if you read them all perfectly and hit them pure you won't miss many from that distance, but these results put my mind at rest about all those times I thought I hit a perfect putt only to see it shave the hole and miss. It also explains why sometimes you get a read on someone elses putt, but you then hit yours and it doesn't break as much, or breaks when the other doesn't etc.
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You are absloutely right about putts involving luck, it's been proven scientifically. I read an article once where they showed that golf balls are not designed to roll perfectly straight. The dimples needed for aerodynamics result in the golf ball not having a perfectly even surface, so you don't get a perfectly straight roll. The boffins rolled golfballs on a billiard table from a secure ramp and poseted the results against pool balls, and the dispersion for golf balls was quite large. Not sure of the exact number, but from memory their conclusions were that any putt outside of nine feet could deviate enough to miss even on a perfectly read and struck shot some of the time. Obviously if you read them all perfectly and hit them pure you won't miss many from that distance, but these results put my mind at rest about all those times I thought I hit a perfect putt only to see it shave the hole and miss. It also explains why sometimes you get a read on someone elses putt, but you then hit yours and it doesn't break as much, or breaks when the other doesn't etc.
Oh really - and I just assumed I was cr@p at putting!
I played 18 yesterday at Grassy Hill CC in Orange, CT. Par 73, slope 122, 6209 yards from the back tees. I shot a 77, which is on the better side of my average, and was every pleased overall with the round. It is getting a wee bit more humid now up here in the northeast, so I am noticing a little more carry in my shots.
This is the first round I played with the my newwly acquired Titleist 690 CBs and have played them well. I am to the point in my game where I know exactly what shots if given back would turn a 77 into a 73. A few more made 10-12 foot putts, one more drive in the fairway, or another GIR or two, and there are the strokes right there to break par. I never shot below par for 18 holes outside of a little par 3 course in my home town. I did have a 2 under for 9 holes on 3 occasions though. I am getting close.
Rare morning round today, first since beginning to recover from illness, with absolutely stunning results. Technically, my weekday senior golf privileges aren't even supposed to be in effect on holidays, but I got a pass.
No birdies, NN? Kidding, congrats on the eagle and the round. Even though it doesn't look like a long track, there are a couple of long par 4-s and good variety in the par 3-s.
I'm about to run out to play an afternoon round here in OC after stinking up the desert these past few days. I'm getting closed at the top which produces a chain reaction of crap. It's almost always something.
Great round NN. Was your eagle a hole out from off the green or did you take the real man route of knocking it on for 2 and sink the putt? Either way, an eagle is a super result, just curious.
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Nice work Nibbler.
I actually got to go play a full round on Memorial Day for the first time in awhile. I started out playing very well, making the turn in a -1 35. I had 2 bogeys and 3 birdies. The first birdie was probably my best putt in at least a year. I was playing skins against a friend of mine, and he chips in from short right on a par 3(actually hit a semi-bladed shot that banged off the stick and went in for 2). I then drain about a 35 footer with about 10 feet of R/L break to tie. Both of my bogeys were pretty inexcusable, since I was a 9 iron away in the middle of the fairway, and a 3/4 LW away on the other.
The back 9 just got away from me a little bit. I took a 7 on our toughest hole, after refusing to take my medicine twice from the trees. I also 3 putted 16 and 17 and stumbled home with a 41 for a 76. Not terrible, but could have been much better.
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Great round NN. Was your eagle a hole out from off the green or did you take the real man route of knocking it on for 2 and sink the putt? Either way, an eagle is a super result, just curious.
Well, NAH, one of the things that I’ve enjoyed doing is describing holes on my beloved home track. I’ve described the eighteenth in detail recently, and now you have given me an excuse to describe the twelfth.
The 12th hole is a 485 yard double dogleg par 5, a “Z” shaped hole. The drive is directly toward the hypotenuse of a triangular pond. The safe drive is to the right or right center of the fairway, a barely 200 yard layup. The pond angles sharply away from you on the left, but there lie two of the course’s few fairway bunkers plus a grove of loosely spaced trees. There were thick woods here on the old public course that once stood on this site, but the hole was vastly improved when this was pruned to a grove of more loosely spaced trees and lots of pine straw and hardpan. The 485 year measurement supposes a layup to the right center of the fsirway, a short to middle iron along the hypotenuse of the pond, and a pitch over the left corner of the pond to the large, flat green, strangely larger than necessary for the shot hit into it. If you drive right, the green is unreachable in one shot over the water unless you’re a monster. However, if you can hit a drive or 3-wood either around or over the trees on the left, the ball will bound toward the pond leaving a barely two hundred yard shot to the front edge of the green. This turns the hole into a much shorter adventure than 485 yards, and this is the route I took. I hit a 20° hybrid to eleven feet, hole high, and the putt was straight dead center, ie, makeable even for me. If the hole had been cut further back into the deep green, I could still have gotten there with my 4-wood.
Great round NN. Was your eagle a hole out from off the green or did you take the real man route of knocking it on for 2 and sink the putt? Either way, an eagle is a super result, just curious.
Well, NAH, one of the things that I’ve enjoyed doing is describing holes on my beloved home track. I’ve described the eighteenth in detail recently, and now you have given me an excuse to describe the twelfth.
The 12th hole is a 485 yard double dogleg par 5, a “Z” shaped hole. The drive is directly toward the hypotenuse of a triangular pond. The safe drive is to the right or right center of the fairway, a barely 200 yard layup. The pond angles sharply away from you on the left, but there lie two of the course’s few fairway bunkers plus a grove of loosely spaced trees. There were thick woods here on the old public course that once stood on this site, but the hole was vastly improved when this was pruned to a grove of more loosely spaced trees and lots of pine straw and hardpan. The 485 year measurement supposes a layup to the right center of the fsirway, a short to middle iron along the hypotenuse of the pond, and a pitch over the left corner of the pond to the large, flat green, strangely larger than necessary for the shot hit into it. If you drive right, the green is unreachable in one shot over the water unless you’re a monster. However, if you can hit a drive or 3-wood either around or over the trees on the left, the ball will bound toward the pond leaving a barely two hundred yard shot to the front edge of the green. This turns the hole into a much shorter adventure than 485 yards, and this is the route I took. I hit a 20° hybrid to eleven feet, hole high, and the putt was straight dead center, ie, makeable even for me. If the hole had been cut further back into the deep green, I could still have gotten there with my 4-wood.
Well, NAH, one of the things that I’ve enjoyed doing is describing holes on my beloved home track. I’ve described the eighteenth in detail recently, and now you have given me an excuse to describe the twelfth.
The 12th hole is a 485 yard double dogleg par 5, a “Z” shaped hole. The drive is directly toward the hypotenuse of a triangular pond. The safe drive is to the right or right center of the fairway, a barely 200 yard layup. The pond angles sharply away from you on the left, but there lie two of the course’s few fairway bunkers plus a grove of loosely spaced trees. There were thick woods here on the old public course that once stood on this site, but the hole was vastly improved when this was pruned to a grove of more loosely spaced trees and lots of pine straw and hardpan. The 485 year measurement supposes a layup to the right center of the fsirway, a short to middle iron along the hypotenuse of the pond, and a pitch over the left corner of the pond to the large, flat green, strangely larger than necessary for the shot hit into it. If you drive right, the green is unreachable in one shot over the water unless you’re a monster. However, if you can hit a drive or 3-wood either around or over the trees on the left, the ball will bound toward the pond leaving a barely two hundred yard shot to the front edge of the green. This turns the hole into a much shorter adventure than 485 yards, and this is the route I took. I hit a 20° hybrid to eleven feet, hole high, and the putt was straight dead center, ie, makeable even for me. If the hole had been cut further back into the deep green, I could still have gotten there with my 4-wood.
NN, it's great that you enjoy describing holes at your club. A suggestion though. You might want to describe different ones as opposed to the same one, over and over.
I've thus far described a 225 yard par 3 and a 485 yard par 5.
Are you of the opinion that these two holes are too similar? These two both happen to have large flat greens, so is this single coincidence the basis for your comment?
Or are you confusing the stupid goose pond hole described yesterday as somehow being at my club? (It certainly isn't.) Still, if you are, I don't see how it was in any way similar to our 12th or 18th.
Last edited by NiftyNiblick; 05-26-2009 at 06:55 AM.
I've thus far described a 225 yard par 3 and a 485 yard par 5.
Are you of the opinion that these two holes are too similar? These two both happen to have large flat greens, so is this single coincidence the basis for your comment?
Or are you confusing the stupid goose pond hole described yesterday as somehow being at my club? (It certainly isn't.) Still, if you are, I don't see how it was in any way similar to our 12th or 18th.
Sh!t, I hate having to explain this to a Harvard boy, but if you look you'll see you made the same post about no. 12 twice.
Thanks for the blow by blow description, but a simple on in two or hole out would have sufficed. I'm jealous of you though. If I tried starting to describe holes on my course real golfers would never talk to me again.
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
I finally did it, I broke par. I have shot 73s and 74s before on my best days, but yesterday I carded a 67 on a par 73. I took a day off from work yesterday (Tues. May 26) and decided to play a casual round with a friend. There was no one on the course, and the weather was partially sunny/cloudy with a fairly strong breeze. I shot 1 under on the front nine, with two birdies, bogeyed the first, and parred everything else, and I was thinking, wow, I might be able to shoot around par today. I shot 4 under on the back nine and not only break par for the first time ever, but break 70. I hit 12 of 15 fairways and did not have a single three putt, avoided all sand and water traps, and rarely short sided myself on around the greens. I think that was the key right there. I am finally confident in my long range game with fairway woods and long irons, as I birded all of the par 5s that day. I made several 20 foot range putts, which is why my birdie count was unusually high for me.
There was another factor I noticed that helped me feel at ease and focused on the course. Being a Tuesday, there was hardly anyone on the course, so my friend and I were able to play at a very quick and undisturbed pace. The round only took 3 hours and 15 minutes to play from first tee shot to the 18th green (the last time I checked my watch was after the approach to the 18th). I do not know if I can replicate this round, since the driver and putter were just lights out. The iron play was well enough to produce such scores, but it wasn't the most crisp I have played my irons. I definitely had better iron play in other rounds, but didn't score as well with other aspects of my game. It is hard to explain how I pulled off my shots so well when you are just in the zone. I did use a lot of course management strategy to avoid big numbers, and that paid dividends as well.
Hit 12 of 15 fairways, and 12 GIRs. Par 73. The extra par 5 did help provide an extra birdie, and the lack of that extra par 3 probably kept a bogey off the card. I did feel like I did Kenny Perry this round a tad. It was the easier of the two courses on the 36 hole track, but one I do not play as often.
I'll post the scorecard once I get home. Additionally, I took the hybrid out of the bag in favor of an old 19 degree Cobra SS 5 wood. I took the 3 iron out in favor of a 51 degree gap wedge. With play like this, of even a fraction of this, I might keep the hybrid out.
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