Lets resurrect "Swing the Clubhead!"

[SDB1]

Larry, please send my free Pivot for Power to my office address! Thanks!

[Mward2002]

Damn it I wish I would have logged in earlier now.

I still have no clue why a person would want to be shameful of two nine hole sub 40 rounds. I like playing 18 hole rounds where I shoot under 84, but I'll take two nine hole rounds of 40 and 40 and I'll enjoy punching that in much more.

[Kiwi Player]

I don't have the stats at hand but I'm willing to bet that Larryrsf has the greatest strike rate of any poster in GR history. If he's not THE greatest he must be right up there.

[Horseballs]

I don't have the stats at hand but I'm willing to bet that Larryrsf has the greatest strike rate of any poster in GR history. If he's not THE greatest he must be right up there.

It's between LarryAB, BPC and LC3. I think Larry's got the edge though.

[Home-slicer]

Larry is hands down Spank's best character. Hey! If Larry leaves GR to go to tennis forums to peddle cheap-sh!t training aids, does Alan go with him?

[Larryrsf]

Damn it I wish I would have logged in earlier now.

I still have no clue why a person would want to be shameful of two nine hole sub 40 rounds. I like playing 18 hole rounds where I shoot under 84, but I'll take two nine hole rounds of 40 and 40 and I'll enjoy punching that in much more.

It is VERY common for middle handicap amateurs to have one good and one poor 9 during a typical weekly 18 hole round. I can absolutely guarantee that if any of us who only play weekly were to post only our low 9 hole scores, we would have a 5+ strokes lower index. That would be an index you cannot play to!

And that fact would persist until and unless your situation changes. Some need to retire with a club membership in order to be able to play enough rounds to become as consistent as a low single digit player. Many with experience say that requires at least 3 rounds per week PLUS practice on the range and around the practice greens.

I don't know-- but I do know I made a big mistake posting those scores 2+ years ago.

Larry

[alangbaker]

It is VERY common for middle handicap amateurs to have one good and one poor 9 during a typical weekly 18 hole round. I can absolutely guarantee that if any of us who only play weekly were to post only our low 9 hole scores, we would have a 5+ strokes lower index. That would be an index you cannot play to!

And that fact would persist until and unless your situation changes. Some need to retire with a club membership in order to be able to play enough rounds to become as consistent as a low single digit player. Many with experience say that requires at least 3 rounds per week PLUS practice on the range and around the practice greens.

I don't know-- but I do know I made a big mistake posting those scores 2+ years ago.

What you continue to lie about is that any of those 9 hole scores have any bearing on your current handicap.

As anyone who cares to click can verify, your last 9 hole score was recorded in November of 2006 and the earliest score that forms part of your current handicap is from April of 2007.

Proof of Larry's nonsense.

[lorenzoinoc]

Larry is hands down Spank's best character. Hey! If Larry leaves GR to go to tennis forums to peddle cheap-sh!t training aids, does Alan go with him?

I've thought that from time to time. Nobody could be this moronic, even with advanced dementia. But what about the videos? Check out the one with the dogs. Spank would have had to find this guy and pirate his stuff. Entirely possible I suppose. If it is Spank, it's brilliant. Complete with Alan.

[lorenzoinoc]

I don't know

Larry

I agree, although you left out the word sh!t.

[Kiwi Player]

I've thought that from time to time. Nobody could be this moronic, even with advanced dementia. But what about the videos? Check out the one with the dogs. Spank would have had to find this guy and pirate his stuff. Entirely possible I suppose. If it is Spank, it's brilliant. Complete with Alan.

Never really figured Spank to be that old. In the swing vids Larry's calves really didn't measure up to the power lifting behemoth calves of Spank. Although with that swing I'm sure he can drive the ball as far as Spank.

[No_Idea]

This is the score for the current month:

http://www.idcreports.com/members/member.html?p=u

Where is the 34/38 score ?

[collegegolfer]

Sorry to bail on you Larry, but cheating with handicaps is one thing I can't stand. Most of your posts had SOME facts in them once all of the garbage was filtered out. Your knowledge of handicaps was almost all false yet you made statements claiming 100% knowledge of the system.

I will no longer be able to support any portions of your posts on anything. Unless you apologize and slowly rebuild your credibility as I posted earlier. But I do plan on continuing to post on your threads to help them all surpass 100 posts. I do believe you have a spot in the GR Hall of Fame.

[Larryrsf]

Sorry to bail on you Larry, but cheating with handicaps is one thing I can't stand. Most of your posts had SOME facts in them once all of the garbage was filtered out. Your knowledge of handicaps was almost all false yet you made statements claiming 100% knowledge of the system.

I will no longer be able to support any portions of your posts on anything. Unless you apologize and slowly rebuild your credibility as I posted earlier. But I do plan on continuing to post on your threads to help them all surpass 100 posts. I do believe you have a spot in the GR Hall of Fame.

Ha! Like I care what you or anyone thinks or the meaningless stuff you post about the number of posts, etc. etc. etc. To me, you are just another bunch of squggly black lines on a computer screen, meaningless and irrelevant.

I will do what I want to do.

I am sorry you can't keep this in perspective. To me amateur golf is just a silly game, no different than chess or tiddly-winks or darts in a bar (at least they enjoy their beer while playing!)

Larry

[lorenzoinoc]

Never really figured Spank to be that old. In the swing vids Larry's calves really didn't measure up to the power lifting behemoth calves of Spank. Although with that swing I'm sure he can drive the ball as far as Spank.

You never know, Spank's calves may have atrophied from doing zero leverage squats.

[alangbaker]

Ha! Like I care what you or anyone thinks or the meaningless stuff you post about the number of posts, etc. etc. etc. To me, you are just another bunch of squggly black lines on a computer screen, meaningless and irrelevant.

I funny thing for you to say given how much you've whined and cried about "personal attacks"...

I will do what I want to do.

Because you're a self-centred jerk (Yes, larry: that was a personal attack.).

I am sorry you can't keep this in perspective. To me amateur golf is just a silly game, no different than chess or tiddly-winks or darts in a bar (at least they enjoy their beer while playing!)

And this is what you always say when your latest "secret" (all of which have had you hitting "all the fairways" -- makes you wonder why the next "secret" ever became necessary, huh?) fails you. "Golf is just a silly game", and those grapes were sour anyway, right?

Truth is: this has never really been about golf for you. It's always been about blowing your own horn; telling everyone how much better you are -- home much more committed, since it's clear you're not actually a better golfer than most of the people to whom you are playing your tune.

You're a sad and insecure little man, Larry, but that doesn't excuse you from the human race and give you license to behave like an ass.

[collegegolfer]

Ha! Like I care what you or anyone thinks or the meaningless stuff you post about the number of posts, etc. etc. etc. To me, you are just another bunch of squggly black lines on a computer screen, meaningless and irrelevant.

I will do what I want to do.

I am sorry you can't keep this in perspective. To me amateur golf is just a silly game, no different than chess or tiddly-winks or darts in a bar (at least they enjoy their beer while playing!)

Larry

A silly game you've developed training aids for and read and quoted MANY books on? If I'm making sense of everything??? I have my life very much in perspective. Darts in a bar is taken pretty serious by some (at least by the ones that get mad at me for being horrible at it). So are chess and tiddly-winks. I don't take them seriously because I'm bad at them. Maybe that's why you don't take golf seriously? Just checking...

[Kiwi Player]

It's between LarryAB, BPC and LC3. I think Larry's got the edge though.

I agree that Larry has the edge. BPC & LC3 tended to saturate the board and had a lot of classics along with a fair share of duds whereas Larry has had fewer threads but 75-80% have become instant classics.

The other thing in Larry's favour is that you get Alangbaker at no extra cost plus all his brilliant political posts in the Non-Golf Forum.

[Mward2002]

"It is VERY common for middle handicap amateurs to have one good and one poor 9 during a typical weekly 18 hole round. I can absolutely guarantee that if any of us who only play weekly were to post only our low 9 hole scores, we would have a 5+ strokes lower index. That would be an index you cannot play to! "

Umm.. No. Clearly I would be able to play to that index, as I would have just done it. Whether it be in two nine hole rounds played in one sitting or broken up, I still shot X amount. Playing 9 holes at one course and then playing 9 holes at another is kind of lame if you ask me, but the scorecard doesn't know it's two different layouts. That's why course ratings have 9 hole adjustments

[SDB1]

"It is VERY common for middle handicap amateurs to have one good and one poor 9 during a typical weekly 18 hole round. I can absolutely guarantee that if any of us who only play weekly were to post only our low 9 hole scores, we would have a 5+ strokes lower index. That would be an index you cannot play to! "

Umm.. No. Clearly I would be able to play to that index, as I would have just done it. Whether it be in two nine hole rounds played in one sitting or broken up, I still shot X amount. Playing 9 holes at one course and then playing 9 holes at another is kind of lame if you ask me, but the scorecard doesn't know it's two different layouts. That's why course ratings have 9 hole adjustments

I don't know. I can rarely string two good nines together. Not too long ago I shot a 75 with with a 3 under on the front and 6 over on the back. It was pathetic! Something about that hotdog and beers at the turn!

For the most part though, if I only played 9 hole rounds, my index would probably be higher. I usually am not swinging well for the first 4 or 5 holes.

[Kiwi Player]

This 9 hole handicapping BS has got to be the lamest excuse for a vanity cap I've ever heard and the weakest argument Larry has come up with yet.

[alangbaker]

This 9 hole handicapping BS has got to be the lamest excuse for a vanity cap I've ever heard and the weakest argument Larry has come up with yet.

What I find absolutely hilarious is that he's continuing with it after it has been thoroughly debunked both factually and logically.

I showed that none of those scores have anything to do with his current handicap and someone else pointed out that if Larry's contention that good scores are used forever is correct, then his handicap will never change no matter what he posts...

...but he's too much of a jackass to simply admit he was lying and maybe regain a shred of his dignity.

Way to go, Larry! Keep going down the toilet!

[Not a hacker]

At the risk of encouraging LArry by actually agreeing with him, he has posted something that is actually true. But it doesn't take intelligence to figure out that any player who only uses their best 9 hole score for handicap purposes would have a lower cap, it's prett logical. But Larry, there is a reason handicaps are calculated over 18 hole scores, instead of nine.

Again I am astonished by the sheer volume of posts on this and other LarryRSF threads. I put it down to you Alan, you are certainly on Larry's arse and don't let him get away with anything. Keep up the good work, I actually think you bring out the best in Larry. His rants against you are actually far more entertaining than anything he says about golf. I especially like the 'they'd throw a net over you' one. Pure LarryRSF gold.

[Larryrsf]

As I practice on the range, I have focused on feeling the clubhead swinging on an arc in front of me. I "envision" the clubhead going back and then coming through to the finish on that arc. I work to do NOTHING DIFFERENT before impact, making the same swing as when no ball is there--exactly as I would with my eyes shut. I know from the consistent results that this really is the path to successful performance -especially when we are tense for any reason. I can sort of go into a "zone" with that vision in my mind-- and make that same swing anyplace with any club. I test it with a 2i off the range mat.

I consciously setup with my back knee "set" and start my backswing by moving my weight to my back foot heel. I immediately revert to the vision of the swinging clubhead arc.

I try to ignore the ball and just make teh clubhead swing. What keeps the clubhead accelerating through impact and beyond--and what allows momentum to carry me to a full finish is my vision of the finish portion of the swing arc. When I make that arc happen correct body sequence, the transition weight shift with hips leading my shoulders just happens. Your body will support what you intend to do--exactly as it does when we throw a baseball.

Regarding swing plane, swinging with the finish portion of your swing arc in your mind WILL dictate the swing plane of your backswing. Your mind will setup the backswing and downswing to match your vision of the clubhead arc from ball to finish. That works. Try it.

Several factors can mess up even this simple swing-- First, I must make a synchronized turn with arms in front of my chest as long as I can. Second, I must setup with my spine straight-- If I am slumped over, I will too often raise up and top the ball.

I setup with both arms in the "giving blood" elbow orientation. As Hogan taught, my elbows are pointing at my hip bones.

This works! And that is what I would teach my own son if he were a beginner.

Ernest Jones (and Ben Hogan) were right!!

Good luck!

Larry

[alangbaker]

As I practice on the range, I have focused on feeling the clubhead swinging on an arc in front of me...

My good, but you're a narcissist.

You posted the exact same message on GolfRewound.com...

[Mward2002]

A 2 iron? You don't have a 2 iron, you have POS CB's 3-PW.

And, your swing looks like ****. Hogan would not approve of your swing.

[Larryrsf]

I'm still waiting to hear form you about the 'put your weight onto your right heeel' BS. I'll take your silence as an admission of defeat on this topic. Good to see you're man enough to own up when you get it wrong.

That is almost verbatim from Tiger's book, "How I Play Golf." One photo of him has a note pointing to his right heel when his backswing is top. It says that he weight has moved there-- so that he shifts his weight back and then pivots AROUND the back hip, shifts his weight to his front leg, and then pivots around his front hip. His weight moved from heel to heel.

Good golfers have learned NOT to "stand up" during their downswing by doing the opposite--they actually "squat" a little and maintain that through the downswing. I think it is almost impossible to do that "squat" move unless our weight is on our heels. I can't do it on my toes. But I do know that allowing our butt to move toward the ball, "standing up," during the downswing is a "death move" swing fault.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

A 2 iron? You don't have a 2 iron, you have POS CB's 3-PW.

And, your swing looks like ****. Hogan would not approve of your swing.

I have a 1-iron. Occasionally I hit balls with the long irons from either the mat or tight grass lie to test my swing balance and ability to return the clubhead accurately. Try it. I suspect most here would find that very very difficult if not impossible.

Larry

[lorenzoinoc]

That's completely wrong. Your weight should only be on your back heel at the top but by the time you're in your downswing it's off the heel unless you're doing something radically wrong. It doesn't make it to the front heel until the finish.

Doing the squat with weight on your heels is pretty funny. Getting on a golf forum and telling everyone that's the way you do it is hil-larry- ous.

[alangbaker]

That is almost verbatim from Tiger's book, "How I Play Golf." One photo of him has a note pointing to his right heel when his backswing is top. It says that he weight has moved there-- so that he shifts his weight back and then pivots AROUND the back hip, shifts his weight to his front leg, and then pivots around his front hip. His weight moved from heel to heel.

Of course it is, Larry. Everything you say is almost always "almost verbatim" from whatever authority most closely accords with what someone is trying to teach you.

But here's the thing: some of those "almost verbatim" things have contradicted each other, and you, yourself, have admitted you've "come full circle".

So how is it you think you have the understanding necessary to actually tell everyone what is the right "almost verbatim" from the wrong "almost verbatim" advice you've handed down?

Good golfers have learned NOT to "stand up" during their downswing by doing the opposite--they actually "squat" a little and maintain that through the downswing. I think it is almost impossible to do that "squat" move unless our weight is on our heels. I can't do it on my toes. But I do know that allowing our butt to move toward the ball, "standing up," during the downswing is a "death move" swing fault.

Sounds like you have that fault, Larry, not that most of us do.

[alangbaker]

I have a 1-iron. Occasionally I hit balls with the long irons from either the mat or tight grass lie to test my swing balance and ability to return the clubhead accurately. Try it. I suspect most here would find that very very difficult if not impossible.

LOL

Any time you wish to actually accept the wager you suggested (to hit 10 or 20 balls), I'll be there?

Say $100 a ball?

:-)

[Larryrsf]

LOL

Any time you wish to actually accept the wager you suggested (to hit 10 or 20 balls), I'll be there?

Say $100 a ball?

:-)

Unemployed derelicts don't have money to bet or to travel to San Diego. You just sit in your apartment all day and type Internet posts-- and harass people on the telephone.

You are the guy who called "Golf Laboratories" after I posted the VERY EXPENSIVE results of their exhaustive Launch Monitor evaluation of my golf swing training product on my web site. You tried your best to negatively influence their report. What you did is called "business interference" and is an actionable offense. You should be thankful they ignored you. If you had done my product damages and if you had anything of value I would now own it.

You are the guy who called Manuel De La Torre's book publisher--wanting to dispute some trivial difference of opinion about "Swing the Clubhead" -- but that irresponsible and STUPID action might have cost Mr. De La Torre some royalties. He was frightened to learn that there are nutcases like you out there. I don't blame him.

Then you called me in my office here -- and called again and again after I repeatedly hung up. You continued that for hours.

I had to contact the Canadian telephone system to have you stopped.

So everyone here should realize that Alan Baker is NOT just another harmless amateur golfer posting hateful things on these boards. Alan Baker is different. He has done and would do anything to REALLY harm those he hates. Alan seems unable to discern between what is trivia and serious business. Alan Baker hates and his blind hatred controls his actions.

You are abnormal. Get help.

Larry

[alangbaker]

Unemployed derelicts don't have money to bet or to travel to San Diego. You just sit in your apartment all day and type Internet posts-- and harass people on the telephone.

LOL

You're just jealous that I don't have to work as much as you do...

You are the guy who called "Golf Laboratories" after I posted the VERY EXPENSIVE results of their exhaustive Launch Monitor evaluation of my golf swing training product on my web site. You tried your best to negatively influence their report. What you did is called "business interference" and is an actionable offense. You should be thankful they ignored you. If you had done my product damages and if you had anything of value I would now own it.

I emailed them and politely asked if they were aware that you were using their name to endorse your product. Here was their reply:

"Thanks for the email. We did conduct a test for RU Late? However we do not
as a policy endorse any company's product."

I didn't in any way try and influence them. I made a polite inquiry and got a polite response...

...and I notice that you no longer maintain that they have "verified the effectiveness" of your little toy.

You are the guy who called Manuel De La Torre's book publisher--wanting to dispute some trivial difference of opinion about "Swing the Clubhead" -- but that irresponsible and STUPID action might have cost Mr. De La Torre some royalties. He was frightened to learn that there are nutcases like you out there. I don't blame him.

This is simply a lie.

Then you called me in my office here -- and called again and again after I repeatedly hung up. You continued that for hours.

I had to contact the Canadian telephone system to have you stopped.

This is simply a lie.

So everyone here should realize that Alan Baker is NOT just another harmless amateur golfer posting hateful things on these boards. Alan Baker is different. He has done and would do anything to REALLY harm those he hates. Alan seems unable to discern between what is trivia and serious business. Alan Baker hates and his blind hatred controls his actions.

You are abnormal. Get help.

Sorry, Larry, but I don't hate you. I'm amused by you. I'm amused by the puffery and the bull*** you spew and I -- like so many others -- get a good laugh out of you.

And that's what really burns your insecure little soul, isn't it?

[lorenzoinoc]

.
...and I notice that you no longer maintain that they have "verified the effectiveness" of your little toy.

Larry, did you lie about this? Shame on you! You know, defrauding your consumers would be grounds for a class action lawsuit. You really ought to be more careful.

[ripit35]

That's completely wrong. Your weight should only be on your back heel at the top but by the time you're in your downswing it's off the heel unless you're doing something radically wrong. It doesn't make it to the front heel until the finish.

Doing the squat with weight on your heels is pretty funny. Getting on a golf forum and telling everyone that's the way you do it is hil-larry- ous.

well proper squat form requires the weight to be on your heels, he remarkably has been right for a change

[alangbaker]

well proper squat form requires the weight to be on your heels, he remarkably has been right for a change

There's a saying:

"Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then".

[lorenzoinoc]

well proper squat form requires the weight to be on your heels, he remarkably has been right for a change

Nope, centered. You should know your odds of being wrong are astronomically high when you agree with Larry.

[ripit35]

Nope, centered. You should know your odds of being wrong are astronomically high when you agree with Larry.

we are talking about squats, not during the golf swing, the lift......

it keeps the spine upright and prevents it from arching.. this is also true for dead lifts.

[lorenzoinoc]

we are talking about squats, not during the golf swing, the lift......

it keeps the spine upright and prevents it from arching.. this is also true for dead lifts.

Ahh...yes if you're talking about lifting. If you're talking about defecating, there should be little to no weight on your feet at all.

I'm thinking Larry doesn't do squats with the heavy bar all loaded up with 45-s. If he does them, my guess is he uses a sleeve of golf balls in each hand he's stolen from the adjacent locker at his club (it's just a game).

[Larryrsf]

It is amazing that these forums attract so many nutcases. Obviously it is the ability to remain anonymous.

Larry

[alangbaker]

It is amazing that these forums attract so many nutcases. Obviously it is the ability to remain anonymous.

I'm not anonymous, Larry.

BTW, it looks like you're finally posting true scores.

Go to:

Larry's handicap page

and click on "Scores Current Month" (I can't provide you an simpler single URL link, because they use cookies to track and you won't get anything until you've click on the first link).

I know, I know. You're really shooting sub-par rounds and you're just trying to get you're handicap up...

...for tournaments where if you win, you won't take the prizes anyway. LOL

[ripit35]

It is amazing that these forums attract so many nutcases. Obviously it is the ability to remain anonymous.

Larry

But it's amazing that we can still smell your BS

[lorenzoinoc]

It is amazing that these forums attract so many nutcases. Obviously it is the ability to remain anonymous.

Larry

There is this one guy that dwarfs all of the other nutcasese we've seen here. He cheats, he lies, and he's a total buffoon. He lacks the common sense to remain anonymous because his narcism is fully developed while his judgement is infantile.

If you're a fictional manifestation of Spank, Larritic, you're hillarious. If you're an actual human being, you're pathetic.

[alangbaker]

There is this one guy that dwarfs all of the other nutcasese we've seen here. He cheats, he lies, and he's a total buffoon. He lacks the common sense to remain anonymous because his narcism is fully developed while his judgement is infantile.

If you're a fictional manifestation of Spank, Larritic, you're hillarious. If you're an actual human being, you're pathetic.

Oh, Larry is a real human being alright... ...and a very common variety.

He's a small insignificant person who's never really accomplished much and so he has to make up ever more grandiose claims about his abilities. If not golf directly, then his "persistence"; he has to tell everyone just how much more "special" he is than the rest of us folk.

But you're quite right: it is pathetic.

[No_Idea]

Larry, did you lie about this? Shame on you! You know, defrauding your consumers would be grounds for a class action lawsuit. You really ought to be more careful.

Wait a minute. What product are we talking about here ? Is it the whippy Tempo Master ?

[collegegolfer]

Wait a minute. What product are we talking about here ? Is it the whippy Tempo Master ?

I would have to guess the Tai Chi golf series on Bluray.

[No_Idea]

I would have to guess the Tai Chi golf series on Bluray.

Interesting. NAH would be the first to buy here. And hopefully Larry can give a list of his products. Many would like to try and give feedback.

[Not a hacker]

Unemployed derelicts don't have money to bet or to travel to San Diego. You just sit in your apartment all day and type Internet posts-- and harass people on the telephone.

You are the guy who called "Golf Laboratories" after I posted the VERY EXPENSIVE results of their exhaustive Launch Monitor evaluation of my golf swing training product on my web site. You tried your best to negatively influence their report. What you did is called "business interference" and is an actionable offense. You should be thankful they ignored you. If you had done my product damages and if you had anything of value I would now own it.

You are the guy who called Manuel De La Torre's book publisher--wanting to dispute some trivial difference of opinion about "Swing the Clubhead" -- but that irresponsible and STUPID action might have cost Mr. De La Torre some royalties. He was frightened to learn that there are nutcases like you out there. I don't blame him.

Then you called me in my office here -- and called again and again after I repeatedly hung up. You continued that for hours.

I had to contact the Canadian telephone system to have you stopped.

So everyone here should realize that Alan Baker is NOT just another harmless amateur golfer posting hateful things on these boards. Alan Baker is different. He has done and would do anything to REALLY harm those he hates. Alan seems unable to discern between what is trivia and serious business. Alan Baker hates and his blind hatred controls his actions.

You are abnormal. Get help.

Larry

This is what I'm talking about when I said Alan brings out the best in Larry. I defy anyone to say that this isn't the most interesting thing Larry has posted on this thread. All non golf related.

Larry, Alan really is giving you the only shred of credibility you have on this forum. My advice is to stay away from the stuff you know nothing about (golf) and stick to the neurotic rantings of a paranoid madman. Thumbs up.

[collegegolfer]

This is what I'm talking about when I said Alan brings out the best in Larry. I defy anyone to say that this isn't the most interesting thing Larry has posted on this thread. All non golf related.

Larry, Alan really is giving you the only shred of credibility you have on this forum. My advice is to stay away from the stuff you know nothing about (golf) and stick to the neurotic rantings of a paranoid madman. Thumbs up.

Larry, just a heads up, when you reveal your identity and personal info on an Internet forum things like this happen.

[Not a hacker]

Personally I like to think that Alan did do all those things Larry accuses him of doing

[dano8238]

Larry,you will be doing yourself a favor by googleing Leslie King,read his articles made a huge amount of sense.Basically says about the weight transfer and foot work.

[Not a hacker]

How about we resurrect this BS Larry?

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pres...lfer-61701.php

[No_Idea]

How about we resurrect this BS Larry?

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/pres...lfer-61701.php

For those who are interested, the product is available here :

http://www.rulate.org/

[Larryrsf]

For those who are interested, the product is available here :

http://www.rulate.org/

Thanks! didn't know that was still out there. The product name has been changed to PivotforPower and the new site is at http://www.pivotforpower.com

I don't know where that old site is being hosted... I am not paying for it.

The product really does work-- but like everything in golf, it is better to work with a teaching pro.

Larry

[alangbaker]

Thanks! didn't know that was still out there. The product name has been changed to PivotforPower and the new site is at http://www.pivotforpower.com

I don't know where that old site is being hosted... I am not paying for it.

The product really does work-- but like everything in golf, it is better to work with a teaching pro.

Actually, if pressed, I can find the quote of you saying that it doesn't work...

...not even for you; a fact which is apparent from your recent swing videos.

[FreakOfNature]

Thanks! didn't know that was still out there. The product name has been changed to PivotforPower and the new site is at http://www.pivotforpower.com

I don't know where that old site is being hosted... I am not paying for it.

The product really does work-- but like everything in golf, it is better to work with a teaching pro.

Larry

I can tell you why your training aid doesn't work... it's on the wrong foot. Seriously.

It's not so much a matter of getting weight OFF the back foot, it's a matter of getting that weight ONTO the front foot.

To properly transfer your pivot from the back hip to the forward hip during the downswing, you need to transfer your weight to a STABLE pivot which can only happen if the majority of weight resides on the front foot through impact. That's your "post" move in a nutshell. All (right handed) long hitters talk about hitting against a firm left side (opposite for lefties - obviously). What they mean is they hit against a very well braced pivot, which allows them to put more energy into the swing without it turning into a wild flailing swipe at the ball. They brace their lower bodies properly for a solid pivot which they can then put maximum force into without disturbing the axis of the pivot. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

You say you're only interested in serious discussion about the golf swing. Here's your opportunity to prove it.

Talk to me.



FON

[No_Idea]

Larry,

While thinking how to answer questions posted by others, can tell me how much profit you have made out of PivotforPower ? Will you consider participating in Fore Investors Only ?

[Larryrsf]

I can tell you why your training aid doesn't work... it's on the wrong foot. Seriously.

It's not so much a matter of getting weight OFF the back foot, it's a matter of getting that weight ONTO the front foot.

To properly transfer your pivot from the back hip to the forward hip during the downswing, you need to transfer your weight to a STABLE pivot which can only happen if the majority of weight resides on the front foot through impact. That's your "post" move in a nutshell. All (right handed) long hitters talk about hitting against a firm left side (opposite for lefties - obviously). What they mean is they hit against a very well braced pivot, which allows them to put more energy into the swing without it turning into a wild flailing swipe at the ball. They brace their lower bodies properly for a solid pivot which they can then put maximum force into without disturbing the axis of the pivot. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

You say you're only interested in serious discussion about the golf swing. Here's your opportunity to prove it.

Talk to me.



FON

I totally agree. In fact we were told by several older teaching pros that they teach that--in fact that is the way the golf swing was taught for years-- the way Jack Nicklaus swings. He backswings then PLANTS his front foot heel to start his downswing.

So we added that option to the PivotforPower. On the front foot, a switch puts it in the mode wherein it emits the short sound EACH TIME the front heel comes down. It does not hear the impact sound. Many golfers like to hear the tone when their front foot heel plants, then the sound of impact. That works!

See the PivotforPower web site for a short video showing the training in both modes.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Larry,

While thinking how to answer questions posted by others, can tell me how much profit you have made out of PivotforPower ? Will you consider participating in Fore Investors Only ?

We have not come near recovering our costs thus far. This is not exactly the best market for introducing a new anything, much less a golf swing training device. I will not be spending much on advertising in the near future.

Regarding "Fore Investors Only"I would look at any idea..... What and where is that?

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Actually, if pressed, I can find the quote of you saying that it doesn't work...

...not even for you; a fact which is apparent from your recent swing videos.

Alan, Your every post confirms that you are obsessed-- not just a little nutty. Please go away. I would call the police if you ever come near me. This has nothing to do with golf. I think you may be dangerous.

Larry

[alangbaker]

Alan, Your every post confirms that you are obsessed-- not just a little nutty. Please go away. I would call the police if you ever come near me. This has nothing to do with golf. I think you may be dangerous.

It has everything to do with golf, Larry.

It has everything to do with your credibility to say the things you say about golf.

It has everything to do with this:

Larry's handicap page

You went around bragging about how all your hard work and made you a "6" and now you post these scores:

"4 Scores
(Date / Type / Differential / Score / Course Rating / Slope)

05/2009 H 28.3 100 69.4 122
05/2009 H 30.4 101 68.7 120
05/2009 H 25.9 098 69.8 123
05/2009 H 25 097 69.8 123

(Scores Posted by Member on Internet)
05/2009 TI 27.3 101 70.6 126
05/2009 AI 24.2 97 70.9 122
05/2009 AI 22.0 96 71.1 128
05/2009 AI 25.3 98 69.8 126
05/2009 AI 28.8 102 70.9 122"

In your last 12 rounds, you haven't broken 95 even once.

So it is now perfectly clear that you are willing to lie to feed your pathetic little fiction that you actually know something about the game of golf.

Happy to help.

[Larryrsf]

Does everyone spend his day looking up the handicap index of other posters here? Does anyone? Do others copy and carefully catalog the posts in this and other forums of other posters here? Do others flip those out in an attempt to embarrass?

NO. Normal people don't waste time like that. Normal people have more important things to do, they know that Internet golf discussion is only trivia.

But Alan Baker is serious, unemployed, and obsessed- and I am not the only person he stalks... Don't cross him! You may have an enemy for life. He WILL find your home address and your home and office phone number. If you are in business, he will call your associates, your customers and your suppliers.

I will submit ANOTHER complaint to his ISP.

Larry

[Not a hacker]

Larry,

In answer to your opening questions, we would all look up hadnicap indexes of every member stupid enough to give his real name and address on an internet forum, particularly when their posts and golfing exploits smelled of BS. And I don't know where your head has been, but quoting old posts to refute and embarrass posters is a GR staple.

P.S. Great personal attack on Alan. You make him sound like the internet version of the Terminator.

[No_Idea]

the Terminator.

Very well put.

[No_Idea]

We have not come near recovering our costs thus far. This is not exactly the best market for introducing a new anything, much less a golf swing training device. I will not be spending much on advertising in the near future.

Regarding "Fore Investors Only"I would look at any idea..... What and where is that?

Larry

'Fore Investors Only' is a program on Golf Channel - meant for entrepreneurs with potential products.

[No_Idea]

(Date / Type / Differential / Score / Course Rating / Slope)

05/2009 H 28.3 100 69.4 122
05/2009 H 30.4 101 68.7 120
05/2009 H 25.9 098 69.8 123
05/2009 H 25 097 69.8 123

(Scores Posted by Member on Internet)
05/2009 TI 27.3 101 70.6 126
05/2009 AI 24.2 97 70.9 122
05/2009 AI 22.0 96 71.1 128
05/2009 AI 25.3 98 69.8 126
05/2009 AI 28.8 102 70.9 122"

In your last 12 rounds, you haven't broken 95 even once.

Hmm... the club must have been keying in his competitor's scores lately.

[No_Idea]

It works-- and it works so well that I shot 34/38 last week with only average putting. I hit ALL the fairways and half the greens. I think I will hit ALL the fairways and possibly ALL the greens next Saturday.


Larry

Yet to see 34/38 score posted.. ( am I being Alan ??? )

[collegegolfer]

These are the first posts Larry has had I haven't laughed at. They actually kind of had a serious tone to them. Larry, please do not refrain to use phrases like "all amateurs" and "this is the only way" and "i am God" etc. This is WHY you ARE who you ARE on GR! Without your laughable posts you'll be just another one of us...you, and we, do not want that!

Sincerely,
College

[Not a hacker]

Yet to see 34/38 score posted.. ( am I being Alan ??? )

But you are aware Larry is tired of being fleeced by sandbaggers and is trying to manipulate his handicap so he won't be putting in any low scores for a while.

[No_Idea]

But you are aware Larry is tired of being fleeced by sandbaggers and is trying to manipulate his handicap so he won't be putting in any low scores for a while.

Manipulating one's handicap is considered sandbagging.


'A sandbagger is considered by many to be the lowest form of life on a golf course.'


source: http://golf.about.com/od/golfterms/g/bldef_sandbag.htm

[Not a hacker]

Manipulating one's handicap is considered sandbagging.


'A sandbagger is considered by many to be the lowest form of life on a golf course.'


source: http://golf.about.com/od/golfterms/g/bldef_sandbag.htm

No arguments here. So now Larry is the lowest form of life on the golf course as well as on GR.

[No_Idea]

Well.. that's what has been derived.

[poe4soul]

Feces, feces everywhere and not a parade in site.... Damnn my pockets are full but wait, there's Larry...

[alangbaker]

Does everyone spend his day looking up the handicap index of other posters here? Does anyone?

You made it an issue, Larry, not me. Don't get your knickers in a twist because I now know what you've claimed and what is true.

Do others copy and carefully catalog the posts in this and other forums of other posters here? Do others flip those out in an attempt to embarrass?

I don't know, Larry. What I do know is that I don't "copy and carefully catalog the posts". I just remember them.

If what you have previously said proves embarrassing to you because you were lying through your teeth: don't blame me.

NO. Normal people don't waste time like that. Normal people have more important things to do, they know that Internet golf discussion is only trivia.

But Alan Baker is serious, unemployed, and obsessed- and I am not the only person he stalks... Don't cross him! You may have an enemy for life. He WILL find your home address and your home and office phone number. If you are in business, he will call your associates, your customers and your suppliers.

If I "find your home phone number" (which, BTW, is also your office number -- odd for someone who brags about how big and successful his company is), it is because you posted it.

I've never called a customer of yours and only once emailed a "supplier" when it was clear that you were claiming an endorsement where none existed. I bet you got spanked pretty good for that by Gene Parente of Golf Labs. He was certainly perfectly polite to me .

I will submit ANOTHER complaint to his ISP.

For what, exactly: calling you a jackass?

LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL


You'll be submitting a lot of complaints to a lot of ISPs, I'll wager, if you start down that road.

[alangbaker]

But you are aware Larry is tired of being fleeced by sandbaggers and is trying to manipulate his handicap so he won't be putting in any low scores for a while.

You are aware -- I hope -- that that is simply the latest in a long line of bull****, right?

[Kiwi Player]

You are aware -- I hope -- that that is simply the latest in a long line of bull****, right?

Don't worry Alan - our resident sarcastic p iss taker - NAH is FULLY aware that this is BS.

[lorenzoinoc]

You are aware -- I hope -- that that is simply the latest in a long line of bull****, right?

So Alan, are you planning any vacations this summer?

I'm off to Hawaii mid-month although not for vacation, just to do the same thing I always do in a different place. But later this summer I'll go see family in Italia. Mom's got some health problems.

My 15 yr old is looking forward to joining me. He threatened to have me assassinated if I force him to go. Teenagers can get a little emotional over small things.

What kind of music do you like?

If I make it to Canada are you up for a round?

[alangbaker]

So Alan, are you planning any vacations this summer?

I'm off to Hawaii mid-month although not for vacation, just to do the same thing I always do in a different place. But later this summer I'll go see family in Italia. Mom's got some health problems.

A couple of shortish trips, yes. I'm self-employed doing computer technical support for my clients and that makes major trips a bit of a problem.

My 15 yr old is looking forward to joining me. He threatened to have me assassinated if I force him to go. Teenagers can get a little emotional over small things.

What kind of music do you like?

If I make it to Canada are you up for a round?

Absolutely. If you're in this part of the world, let me know!

Cheers.

[lorenzoinoc]

I do travel a fair amount, I hope I end up in your neck of the woods at some point.

[Horseballs]

And the push is officially on for 200 posts! I think this can get to at least 300 if we all stay on point.
Larry, let's bring back "golf tai chi" slo-mo style.

[lorenzoinoc]

I foresee staying on point will be the only thing that could kill this thread. I don't think it's been on point since the 2d post.

[Kiwi Player]

200 posts is a given. 300 is the new challenge. Maybe then Mr3Wiggle will post a swing vid?

[lorenzoinoc]

If I get my gf's approval, I'll post a picture of her naked butt if we get to 300.

[collegegolfer]

So what was swing the clubhead again? Isn't that the intention of swinging the golf club? To swing the clubhead?

[Tee'd Off]

It sees the hands swinging the clubhead with the body reacting to this motion. Thats it.......

[Home-slicer]

I think our boy Larry is a vanity capper that wants us to think he's a sandbagger. He wants us to think he plays to a 6 but is putting in "bogus" 100s to "artificially" raise his cap. Either that or he is just trolling at this point. I think he enjoyed getting everyone riled up by openly admitting that he's a cheater and I think he secretly takes pride in the fact that his threads are epic instant classics.
Back on topic, I like to squat on the take away with my weight on the left heel, then I move my butt away from the ball during the downswing then squat again at impact with the weight on the inside of both heels when I'm swinging the clubhead.

[Larryrsf]

So what was swing the clubhead again? Isn't that the intention of swinging the golf club? To swing the clubhead?

Read the book, available everywhere. First published in the 40s I think. Has been re-released dozens of times. "Swing the Clubhead" is the title of Ernest Jones' book and describes his teaching method--which was the most popular beginner starter method in the world for many years. It is more about the mental side of the swing than mechanics--and of course that is really the whole deal in golf. As Jim Flick, who had several golf schools and taught for 50 years, says,"the golf swing is 90% mental, and the rest is in your head." I think they all eventually come around to the basic ideas of Ernest Jones-- who taught that total beginners, especially women, can make a beautiful swing with their eyes closed-- even though they might look like a complete hack with eyes open. They "envision" a smooth accelerating centrifugal swing, but with eyes open and looking at the ball and the target they jerk and leverage, all the stuff that ruins every shot for their first years.

Google Ernest Jones and read his book. You may be surprised.

Larry

[GoHuskers]

First, I see only a tiny fraction of the posts in only the one thread I follow in this forum--WHEN I check in every few days.

I ignore all but the serious golfers who seem to want to benefit from my experience. The others who just carp are just duffers who pretty much do their golfing while sitting at their computer. It takes all kinds.

Larry

WOW!!! You wouldn't by chance have some tips on deadlifting techniques?

Are you producing a series of 68.-01 wedges?

How many wiggles would you say you have?

[Tee'd Off]

While it is a classic work issues have arisen with this approach to the swing. As I have stated before this method tends to see folks casting the club. The other issue is it relies on the small muscles of the hands and arms. In preasure situations these muscles tend to go haywire and become very hard to control. This is why most Pro's tend to prefer relying on the lower body (bigger muscles) to drive the swing as it holds up a great deal better when the preasure gets cranked up a few notches. It is good to develope a free flowing swing but it is not the end all be all......

[poe4soul]

I don't know why larriePDQ, but I deeply resent the fact that you're left handed. It pi$$es me off to no end to think that I have this one thing in common with you...

Homer Kelly, TGM, aptly wrote that any manipulation of the swing is a hack. Which is similar to what your saying. But I think it's a chicken and egg thing. You can watch people make beautiful practice swings but when they have to repeat the swing and actually hit a ball at a specific target they get hacked up. So what I'm saying is it's not the intention of hitting the ball but the fact that the brain knows the swing is off plane and going to hit the ball in a completely wrong direction is why you see all the hacked up moves.

Personally I like watching you swing better when I close my eyes.

[Larryrsf]

While it is a classic work issues have arisen with this approach to the swing. As I have stated before this method tends to see folks casting the club. The other issue is it relies on the small muscles of the hands and arms. In preasure situations these muscles tend to go haywire and become very hard to control. This is why most Pro's tend to prefer relying on the lower body (bigger muscles) to drive the swing as it holds up a great deal better when the preasure gets cranked up a few notches. It is good to develope a free flowing swing but it is not the end all be all......

I have taken dozens of lessons from the best PGA pros-- and I sorta feel sorry for them because they are UNABLE to tell students "if that works for you-do it!" or "If you can't do that--try this!" Their organization would consider that unethical or something. So they MUST cram the same standard instruction into every student, regardless of his age or physical inability, they must make us fit the same mold. If we don't do our version of Faldo or Tiger, then we are wrong. So we go away from every lesson frustrated, but determined to practice and drill and of course we don't improve. It all falls apart ever Saturday morning, same errors, more "soldier" golf, "left, right, left, right" as we careen from overswing and mishit etc. etc. Too many just quit and go back to tennis. Many drop out of country clubs-- Not good for the long-term outlook for golf in America.

Larry

[alangbaker]

I have taken dozens of lessons from the best PGA pros...

And yet you haven't been able to post an honest score of better than 96 in the last 12 rounds!

But the problem must be with them, right Larry?

LOL

[Larryrsf]

And yet you haven't been able to post an honest score of better than 96 in the last 12 rounds!

But the problem must be with them, right Larry?

LOL

Hard to imagine the outrageous chutzpah of this guy... caught red-handed making harassing telephone calls to Manuel De La Torre's book publisher, to Golf Laboratories urging them to modify their test findings, and to my office every few minutes all one morning. And how here he is posting like a normal person!!!

If he were not in Canada, very likely I would have been successful in getting his ISP to pull the plug on his Internet access--and his telephone company to disconnect him as a criminal harassing normal people.

Chutzpah!!! Wow. I guess he wants us to think he is just a normal guy--do you? We all need to tell him to go away!!!

Larry

[alangbaker]

Hard to imagine the outrageous chutzpah of this guy... caught red-handed making harassing telephone calls to Manuel De La Torre's book publisher, to Golf Laboratories urging them to modify their test findings, and to my office every few minutes all one morning. And how here he is posting like a normal person!!!

You're back to those lies again, are you?

For the record:

I never called Manuel De La Torre's book publisher.

I never urged Golf Laboratories to do anything.

I did not call your "office" every few minutes ever.

If he were not in Canada, very likely I would have been successful in getting his ISP to pull the plug on his Internet access--and his telephone company to disconnect him as a criminal harassing normal people.

Chutzpah!!! Wow. I guess he wants us to think he is just a normal guy--do you? We all need to tell him to go away!!!

Isn't it interesting that you make these most outrageous lies whenever you're confronted by the pathetic lies you've told as documented by hard facts?

[Kiwi Player]

We all need to tell him to go away!!!

Larry

Are you kidding Larry and rob us all of this great entertainment?

Alan & Larry are like Laurel & Hardy. Neither one is half as funny on their own. Well, actually that's not really true. Old Larry was pretty hilarious on his own before Alan showed up.

[alangbaker]

Are you kidding Larry and rob us all of this great entertainment?

Alan & Larry are like Laurel & Hardy. Neither one is half as funny on their own. Well, actually that's not really true. Old Larry was pretty hilarious on his own before Alan showed up.

Oh...

Now that hurts...

[Kiwi Player]

Oh...

Now that hurts...

Not saying you don't make a great double act but Larry's solo routine was also pretty funny.

[Not a hacker]

Alan,

As Kiwi pointed out, I am absolutely aware that Larry's assertion that he is shooting crap scores to manipulate his handicap is bogus. His stories about getting regularly fleeced by what he considers sandbaggers, but in actual fact could just be legitimate non vanity cappers, may have a ring of truth however.

As for my small contribution to getting this thread past 200 and towards 300 posts, I pose this question.

Where is Larry most out of touch? I've noticed (as we all have) that Larry considers himself an expert on certain topics. As well as the obvious ad nauseum posts about the golf swing and the political rantings on the non golf thread, I've noticed that Larry really considers himself quite the amatuer psychologist. His diagnosis' of Poe as a sociopathic feces thrower, and of Alan as an unemployed, dead beat stalker who would have a net thrown over him if he left his home, are some of his more entertaining insights into the human psyche.

Personally I don't have enough expertise on any of these subjects to offer a qualified opinion, so I'll just say he is equally misguided on all three.

Should this be a poll?

P.S. Larry, please take HB's advice and re-post the slo-mo vid on You tube. The almost unprecedented mark of 300 posts would be a given.

P.P.S. HB, I just noticed how many posts we've put up on this board. I am quite alarmed that I'm approaching 4,000 without even realising I went over 3,000. I really need to get a life. Anyway congratulations to whoever of us is the first to crack the 4,000. On the subject of posts, I am more than a little sceptical about LarryRSF's tally of only 375. He seems to have posted far more times than that.

[Not a hacker]

Alan,

I think what Kiwi is trying to say is that things got more interesting around here when you turned up. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty to take larry to task. You have become the straight man to Larry's comedic genius. You are indeed the Stanley Laurel to Larry's Oliver Hardy. The Dean Martin to Larry's Jerry Lewis. The Kiff to Larry's Zap Brannigan. Before you came on the scene Larry was just a harmless, bumbling dribbler with delusions of grandeur. But with your arrival, and subsequent clinical dissection of every Larry post (and Larry's over the top reactions and hilarious psycho-anlalysis of your personality), you have facilitated Larry's ascension from spamming pest to bona fide GR living legend.

[Larryrsf]

I am more than a little sceptical about LarryRSF's tally of only 375. He seems to have posted far more times than that.

The word is spelled "skeptical." Golfers seem to be the least erudite group on the Internet.

I occasionally review the dozen golf discussion forums I am a member of. And I follow only one or two threads. I may or may not post. Then I am gone. But you see high numbers of posts in those threads because my posts often foster dozens of replies and then replies to the replies. I seldom see all that because I am long gone; don't like to waste time at my age. See ya.

Larry

[SDB1]

200 YEAH!!! Yippee!