Where are his records?

[Larryrsf]

This is the best and most exhaustively documented compilation yet. The Obama camp guards are increasingly desperate to stop any and all investigations-- but the investigators WILL get through and they will find out what actually happened... where was he? What was his name? Is he a US citizen? If so, why not just show the world his Birth Certificate--and not a meaningless "Certificate of Live Birth." This is NOT going to go away. Foreign countries are starting to wonder too...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613

Larry

[Not a hacker]

Larry,

Good to see you still here. I read something on the news last night about a white supremacist going on a shooting rampage in the holocaust museum in New York and immediately thought of you.

[Larryrsf]

Larry,

Good to see you still here. I read something on the news last night about a white supremacist going on a shooting rampage in the holocaust museum in New York and immediately thought of you.

Right out of "Rules for Radicals." Alinski instructed his followers to ridicule their opposition, don't answer their arguments, don't debate with them, just ridicule them--and they will have no answer."

But you are an American--and your president may not be an American Citizen-- and he may have lied about his entire history-may have failed nearly every school but been passed and graduated because he is black, "Affirmative Action" may have given us a president who is the biggest fraud in history. The day is coming when ridicule will not be able to overcome facts. I will remind you that you were among those who ridiculed those who tried to tell us...

Larry

[Not a hacker]

Larry,

If you haven't already been diagnosed with dementia I suggest you book yourself in for an assessment. For the umpteenth time, I'm from Australia. You seem to forget this over and over.

[KoolCat]

Anyone that brings up this issue is immediately labeled a right-wing nut, a racist, or some other sort of lunatic. However, there are a lot of average Americans out there that are perplexed as to why some of these documents are still being hidden or protected. If there really is nothing to hide, why not release everything?

Obama sure talked the talk when he was campaigning. Lots of mention of transparency. However, this is one area he has fallen WAY short of his campaign promises. It's time for Obama to back up his words with actions.

[KoolCat]

*Just to qualify my statement about Obama following through on his campaign promises. I was only referring to transparency. God help us if he follows through on most of his other 'ideas'...

[SDB1]

Is this really an issue? Don't you think somebody checked this stuff somewhere along the way? He had to go through the entire screening process which included financial and background checks. If this were really an issue you'd think more credible sources would be all over it.

[KoolCat]

You would think so, but no. Unfortunately anyone who questioned his credentials was immediately labeled a racist or a wingnut, so no it has not been looked into by any credible sources.

[Larryrsf]

Larry,

Good to see you still here. I read something on the news last night about a white supremacist going on a shooting rampage in the holocaust museum in New York and immediately thought of you.

Right out of "Rules for Radicals." Saul Alinski (communist) taught that the most effective method to quiet detractors is ridicule. They can't post a serious debate when the audience is laughing-- and the audience might even forget his orginal point.

This is a serious subject-- and all Americans should be very concerned that Obama may be foisting the biggest scam of all time on the US and the world.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

You would think so, but no. Unfortunately anyone who questioned his credentials was immediately labeled a racist or a wingnut, so no it has not been looked into by any credible sources.

Of course. His textbook is and has always been "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinski. Followers are taught to counter all criticism and questions with ridicule and personal attacks. Obama learned that as a "neigborhood agitator" on the Chicago streets. His ONLY employment was with ACORN. Think about that!!

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Is this really an issue? Don't you think somebody checked this stuff somewhere along the way? He had to go through the entire screening process which included financial and background checks. If this were really an issue you'd think more credible sources would be all over it.

Wrong! Obama escaped ALL such scrutiny. The Mainstream Media simply abdicated their duty to check him out-- The few reporters brave enough to go to Chicago and try to get into the ACORN offices (his only employer) were roughly ejected. NOBODY wanted to take on black militants. During the campaign, Jerome Corsi (author of "Obama Nation" went to Kenya to interview Obama's Aunt who had said publically and signed an affadavit that she had witnessed his birth in Kenya-- Corsi was jailed!!! They told him he was lucky to leave that country alive--and likely he is still fearful of assassination. The aunt has disappeared-- and MSM is not looking for her.

AND, the liberal media really didn't want to know or report anything negative about him--they wanted him to win! They didn't dig after his records anywhere. There is only Fox News and Talk Radio to counter him-- and they have little power compared to the MSM.

But the ground swell is building. WHEN his popularity drops as the economy continues to tank, the MSM will find their courage-- Anthony Scalia and others who know all about this will find their guts too-- and the process will start.

When it all comes out it will be an astonishing event-- as the world realizes the most massive SCAM of all time has been perpetrated on the American people. An illegal alien became the American president. It will RUIN the MSM. Newspapers will close--and some TV networks may follow.

AND FYI, neither the President NOR any Congressman or Senator is "checked out" for background when he is elected. They are given access to TOP Secret information -- is that outrageous or what?

Larry

[SDB1]

You would think so, but no. Unfortunately anyone who questioned his credentials was immediately labeled a racist or a wingnut, so no it has not been looked into by any credible sources.

What about the McCain Campaign? Surely this would have been one the items on their list of things to look in to. None of the Conservative talk shows are bringing it up, at least not seriously, and they don't have any fear of being labelled as right wing whackos.

[Larryrsf]

What about the McCain Campaign? Surely this would have been one the items on their list of things to look in to. None of the Conservative talk shows are bringing it up, at least not seriously, and they don't have any fear of being labelled as right wing whackos.

Ever hear of "political correctness?" McCain stopped his campaign from even saying "Barack Hussain Obama" the name Obama said aloud when he took the oath.

You have correctly identified why this happened and the reason it has continued. Obama is black-- and NOBODY wants to take that on. NOBODY in his past has either, and thus he passed and graduated over and over again without actually doing the work-- If not, why won't he release his school transcripts?

He did the same thing in the Illinois Legislature, just showing up and voting "present" instead of taking a position he would be held accountable for later.

POWERFUL forces in Chicago helped him buy a big beautiful house with no money--and those same "forces" SQUASHED his US Senate opponents. They ruined them one-by-one and Obama was almost unopposed when the election came.

Where did HUNDREDS of millions of campaign contributions come from? There was strong evidence it was pouring in from the Arab countries-- and ignored by the US Campaign regulators. There were thousands of emails and circulars there urging them to send money to Obama-- That is a felony, BTW.

So this revelation of his birth, etc. is being fought by powerful opponents. Who knows what they would do to prevent him being ruled ineligible to be president.

Larry

[wofat]

Wow, a deep dive search of Snopes even provides the answer:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

But please, keep going on claiming conspiracy and furthering your rants. It is far more entertaining than the "I average 350 yards per drive with my persimmon driver" threads.

[poe4soul]

Larry's not around so I'll take a crack at if for him. (I've also noticed that he doesn't really debate. He's more into ranting so he rarely replies to posts with content.)

Wofat,

Snopes is obviously the mouth piece of the Left and nearly as socialist as MSNBC. Until we hear this information form the almighty, Rush, or see it on the ONLY creditable new source, FOX News (unless we can find hobbled together information from on Youtube that validates are conspiracies), we will not believe this unsubstantiated propaganda. Blah, blah, blah, blah, [insert personal attack] blah, blah, BLAH, [insert some non-sense about small business owned by republicans] BLAH, blah, blah.
(Please look at other posts of Larry's to fill in the "blah's" because it always ends the same way with the good republicans fighting against the evil Dems. - Yawn. )

RarryLSF

[wofat]

That's quite an accurate impression poe. Given Larrys use of 'WorldNetDaily' as a credible news source, I was thinking that The Onion was probably comparable, so Snopes should be more than trustworthy enough.

[SDB1]

Wow, a deep dive search of Snopes even provides the answer:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

But please, keep going on claiming conspiracy and furthering your rants. It is far more entertaining than the "I average 350 yards per drive with my persimmon driver" threads.

Thanks for providing that link. I didn't care enough to look for it myself.

Even though I didn't vote for the guy, it would have been pretty weak if he was booted for something like this. He obviously won the election and is just as qualified to be there as some of the other candidates we've had over the years. He's definitely a better speaker than most of the Presidents we've had since I've been around not counting Reagan of course.

What it really comes down to is the rants are never justified. I was sick of hearing these types of rants when Bush was President and I'm even more disturbed that they are coming from fellow conservatives now that Obama is President. It's one thing to oppose his policies. It's quite another to go on a lunatic rant about some off the wall conspiracy theory.

[Larryrsf]

Wow, a deep dive search of Snopes even provides the answer:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

But please, keep going on claiming conspiracy and furthering your rants. It is far more entertaining than the "I average 350 yards per drive with my persimmon driver" threads.

They tried, but even a cursory investigation of Snopes reveals their tight connection to Obama. They are extremely biased-- which is a shame because I always liked their research.

A "Certificate of Live Birth" means almost nothing because no US physician signed saying he witnessed the birth. In contrast, Obama's Aunt in Kenya did sign a sworn affadavit testifying that she witnessed his birth in Kenya. A signed sworn affadavit should outweigh an unsigned "Certificate of Live Birth" -- and everyone should wonder why they whisked her out of sight--where is she? Why won't they let her do further interviews?

This thing started because Obama has been unable to produce a credible BIRTH CERTIFICATE like yours and mine. If that had been produced, the issue would have never come up. But despite a zillion requests and this blossoming issue on the Internet and elsewhere-- no certificate has been produced. SOOOOO the only logical conclusion is that those who say they witnessed his birth in Kenya may be correct. The Obama team's almost desperate attempts to prevent further investigation simply makes it more credible-- Anyone but a blind partisan must admit that it is very very strange that he will not release ANY of the documents that would clear up the questions. If he could make these questions go away--he would.

Why was Jerome Corsi (Harvard PhD with 40 prior books before "Obama Nation") jailed in Kenya during the campaign when he tried to find that aunt and interview her-- or bring her to the US.

Just be objective-- because when the truth comes out those who were ridiculing this investigation are going to have egg on their face-- look pretty silly. Read through that web site's evidence. There is NOTHING that requires "belief" despited contrary evidence--

Larry

[NiftyNiblick]

The man put his records in his attic when he disconnected his turntable. I’ll bet that half of you guys did the same thing.

[Larryrsf]

off the wall conspiracy theory.

Not quite. Evidence is evidence. Credibility is credibility. Dozens of lawyers are behind this, not crackpots. They have assembled a body of evidence that is overwhelming to any objective person who is willing to look at it with an open mind. I have read that they got Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia's attention recently-- and a preliminary investigation is either going or planned.

The US simply cannot allow someone to violate the constitution. I would feel the same way if I had voted for Obama. I would NOT defend anyone who cannot PROVE he is eligible to hold the office he has.

Larry

[dorkman53]

The man put his records in his attic when he disconnected his turntable. I’ll bet that half of you guys did the same thing.

If you don't have a birth certificate, it is easy to go to the Hall of Records in the county of your birth and obtain a certified copy. I had to do that in order to get a passport several years ago. They keep those records forever.
Frankly, I don't know what to make about all of the questions about the birth certificate, but it does strike me as exceptionally odd that if he has a US birth certificate, he doesn't just produce it and put the issue to rest.

[wofat]

Just be objective-- because when the truth comes out those who were ridiculing this investigation are going to have egg on their face-- look pretty silly. Read through that web site's evidence. There is NOTHING that requires "belief" despited contrary evidence--

Larry

What website? What evidence? Where is this big group of lawyers (yeah, like that's an objective, unbiased group anyway) and their evidence? Provide a link and some details!

[wofat]

So, the big deal here, according to some, is that there is no actual 'Birth Certificate', only this Certificate of Live Birth? And why? Do you think that if he was born elsewhere (Kenya lets say) he wouldn't be eligible to be president of the US?

Turns out, it wouldn't farking matter anyway.

If Obama was born in Kenya it would not affect his eligibility to be president of the USA. Legally he would be a "natural born US citizen", which does not mean "born on US soil" like you seem to believe. It means "born under the conditions that legally define a person to be naturally, by right of birth, a US citizen".

Since his mother was a US citizen for more than 5 years before this claimed 'foreign birth', he would, by law, be considered a US citizen anyway, thus making him eligible.

Larry, a little less conspiracy theory, a little more reading. *wink*

FYI - The 'credible' lawyers and writers that you mentioned? Take a look here at some backstory on these guys:

Not surprisingly, almost all of the people who've been most prominent in pushing this story have a history of conspiracist thought. There's Jerome Corsi, who's best known as the co-author of the book that launched the Swift boat vets; he's a chief proponent of the claim that the government is secretly planning to form a "North American Union" with Canada and Mexico. Philip Berg, who filed the lawsuit that had until now drawn the most public attention, is a 9/11 Truther. Andy Martin, who's credited with starting the myth that Obama is a Muslim and has been intimately involved in the birth certificate mess as well, was denied admission to the Illinois bar because of a psychiatric evaluation that showed he had "moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character." He also has a long history of anti-Semitism. Robert Schulz, who's responsible for the ads in the Tribune, is a fairly notorious tax protester. In 2007, a federal judge ordered Schulz to shutter his Web site because he and his organization were, in the words of the Justice Department's Tax Division, using the site to promote "a nationwide tax-fraud scheme."

Source: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...h_certificate/

I know, its yet another tool of the liberal left...

Lunatics.

[oldplayer]

Larry, I think it is safe to say at this stage you have been OWNED!!

Well done Wofat, but your efforts at proving the lack of credibility of the conspiracy theorists probably wasn't necessary. As they get futher and futher out on a limb with their ridicules ideas they do that all by themselves.

[poe4soul]

WTF did i say predict. Larry you need professional help.

[collegegolfer]

Larry, I believe you! I hope I am enough for you to continue posting about Obama! My day just wouldn't be the same without your threads!

[Larryrsf]

If you don't have a birth certificate, it is easy to go to the Hall of Records in the county of your birth and obtain a certified copy. I had to do that in order to get a passport several years ago. They keep those records forever.
Frankly, I don't know what to make about all of the questions about the birth certificate, but it does strike me as exceptionally odd that if he has a US birth certificate, he doesn't just produce it and put the issue to rest.

Well duh, this issue has been building all of last year and until today. If the Obama team, with unlimited money and help from around the world, could produce a credible Birth Certificate, they would done so long ago. The issue would have ended right there!

Instead, thousands have signed petitions, hundreds of lawyers are now involved. And apparently there is little those who are protecting the facts of his birth would NOT do-- When Jerome Corsi (Harvard PhD and author of 40 erudite books including "Obama Nation,") went to Kenya last year to interview his aunt who had given interviews and signed a sworn affadavit that she had witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya, he returned to the US and said he was jailed and threatened-- told to leave the country or die! They are SERIOUS about stopping the truth from coming out.

His birth aside, who won't he release all the other documents that EVERY former president routinely releases? What is he hiding? The more he hides, the more curious people become.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613

But everything WILL come out. When his popularity drops a little more, the MSM will start digging.

Larry

[dorkman53]

Well duh, this issue has been building all of last year and until today. If the Obama team, with unlimited money and help from around the world, could produce a credible Birth Certificate, they would done so long ago. The issue would have ended right there!

Instead, thousands have signed petitions, hundreds of lawyers are now involved. And apparently there is little those who are protecting the facts of his birth would NOT do-- When Jerome Corsi (Harvard PhD and author of 40 erudite books including "Obama Nation,") went to Kenya last year to interview his aunt who had given interviews and signed a sworn affadavit that she had witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya, he returned to the US and said he was jailed and threatened-- told to leave the country or die! They are SERIOUS about stopping the truth from coming out.

His birth aside, who won't he release all the other documents that EVERY former president routinely releases? What is he hiding? The more he hides, the more curious people become.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613

But everything WILL come out. When his popularity drops a little more, the MSM will start digging.

Larry

Forgive my ignorance, Larry, but if his mother was a US citizen and he was born in another country, wouldn't he still be a US citizen? Unless she had renounced her US citizenship, I believe that this is the case of children born overseas to US citizens. John McCain was not born in the US; his father was in the military, and he was born in another country, but is still a US citizen by virtue of his parents' US citizenship. Why does this not apply to Obama, even if his father wasn't a US citizen?
We have close friends who are US citizens who had one of their 3 children when they were in Rwanda. I don't think this jeopardized the citizenship of that child. Is there a difference between a child born overseas if only the mother is a US citizen? Enlighten us, please; you seem to have put considerable mental effort into this problem.

[Larryrsf]

This is the best and most exhaustively documented compilation yet. The Obama camp guards are increasingly desperate to stop any and all investigations-- but the investigators WILL get through and they will find out what actually happened... where was he? What was his name? Is he a US citizen? If so, why not just show the world his Birth Certificate--and not a meaningless "Certificate of Live Birth." This is NOT going to go away. Foreign countries are starting to wonder too...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613

Larry

Subj: Smoking gun finally found?
WELL SURPRISE - SURPRISE



April 28, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College.

Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro,received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.


The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.

When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.


Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may > overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.


In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey.

This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.

Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.


Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending.

This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.

Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

---------------------------------------------------------

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Forgive my ignorance, Larry, but if his mother was a US citizen and he was born in another country, wouldn't he still be a US citizen? Unless she had renounced her US citizenship, I believe that this is the case of children born overseas to US citizens. John McCain was not born in the US; his father was in the military, and he was born in another country, but is still a US citizen by virtue of his parents' US citizenship. Why does this not apply to Obama, even if his father wasn't a US citizen?
We have close friends who are US citizens who had one of their 3 children when they were in Rwanda. I don't think this jeopardized the citizenship of that child. Is there a difference between a child born overseas if only the mother is a US citizen? Enlighten us, please; you seem to have put considerable mental effort into this problem.

The rule at the time was that a US Citizen mother having a baby outside the US must be 18 years old in order to automatically convey the citizenship. She was 17 when the predator found her in Hawaii and knocked her up. She followed him to Kenya to confront him I suspect, learned he had 4 other wives there--

Larry

[poe4soul]

Larry your like a box of chocolates.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

But I fogot Snopes is a left wing mouth piece. You really should do a bit more research before you show your ignorance.

[Larryrsf]

.

"Since his mother was a US citizen for more than 5 years before this claimed 'foreign birth', he would, by law, be considered a US citizen anyway, thus making him eligible.
"
WRONG, if that were true, none of this would be blossoming into a major flap. Dozens of lawyers are involved-- and they did their homework. The law says a US Citizen having a baby outside the US must be 18 years old. She was in Kenya and she was 17. He is not a US citzen--AND she foolishly declined to have the baby naturalized-- because to do so would admit that he was born in Kenya. So he is an illegal alien!

Larry

[collegegolfer]

Larry, sorry I have to believe Snopes over your fake articles. You are a HUGE whack job. "Citizenship is one of the most coveted gifts that the U.S. government can bestow, and the most important immigration benefit that USCIS can grant. Most people become U.S. citizens in one of two ways:

*
By birth, either within the territory of the United States or to U.S. citizen parents, or
*
By Naturalization."

This is from a US Government website www.uscis.gov. Seriously Larry, you make Rush Limbaugh look like a tree hugger. Between your whacked out my way or the highway political ideology and your similar golf ideology I can't imagine you have a very happy life. Everything must tick you off and raise your blood pressure. Calm down, drink some coffee, read a good book, and relax a little. You're old and you'll die within a few years if you continue your ridiculous blood pressure raising rants. Plus you're so wrong it's hilarious. Nut job.

[Larryrsf]

Larry, sorry I have to believe Snopes over your fake articles. You are a HUGE whack job. "Citizenship is one of the most coveted gifts that the U.S. government can bestow, and the most important immigration benefit that USCIS can grant. Most people become U.S. citizens in one of two ways:

*
By birth, either within the territory of the United States or to U.S. citizen parents, or
*
By Naturalization."

This is from a US Government website www.uscis.gov. Seriously Larry, you make Rush Limbaugh look like a tree hugger. Between your whacked out my way or the highway political ideology and your similar golf ideology I can't imagine you have a very happy life. Everything must tick you off and raise your blood pressure. Calm down, drink some coffee, read a good book, and relax a little. You're old and you'll die within a few years if you continue your ridiculous blood pressure raising rants. Plus you're so wrong it's hilarious. Nut job.

You stuck it way out there that time. I will be the first to tell you that the Constitution says: "Natural Born Citizen." "Naturalized" is not eligible. Whew!

AND, there is no record of his naturalization-- so if he was indeed born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother, he is an illegal alien-- and I hope ICE takes him out of the White House in handcuffs and leg shackles.

Larry

Larry

[collegegolfer]

You stuck it way out there that time. I will be the first to tell you that the Constitution says: "Natural Born Citizen." "Naturalized" is not eligible. Whew!

AND, there is no record of his naturalization-- so if he was indeed born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother, he is an illegal alien-- and I hope ICE takes him out of the White House in handcuffs and leg shackles.

Larry

Larry

There is some gray area as to what defines "natural born citizen." You have to hand it to him for being a miraculous man...did you see him kill the fly on TV tonight? PETA should be all over that! Flies have rights too!

[collegegolfer]

You stuck it way out there that time. I will be the first to tell you that the Constitution says: "Natural Born Citizen." "Naturalized" is not eligible. Whew!

AND, there is no record of his naturalization-- so if he was indeed born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother, he is an illegal alien-- and I hope ICE takes him out of the White House in handcuffs and leg shackles.

Larry

Larry

I suppose it does technically say "parentS" to be a citizen. You might have a little SOMETHING but you're still a whacko. :-D Have to wait to see what the courts deem as the interpretation of natural born and so forth. Try finding sites that are a little less whacko though. There actually are some moderate articles looking at both sides that still leave it as a question of interpretation. You pick the most far out sites...probably get them as forwards from your older relatives like I do.

[Not a hacker]

The rule at the time was that a US Citizen mother having a baby outside the US must be 18 years old in order to automatically convey the citizenship. She was 17 when the predator found her in Hawaii and knocked her up. She followed him to Kenya to confront him I suspect, learned he had 4 other wives there--

Larry

You make Obama's mother sound like Alan G Baker.

[Not a hacker]

Wrong! Obama escaped ALL such scrutiny. The Mainstream Media simply abdicated their duty to check him out-- The few reporters brave enough to go to Chicago and try to get into the ACORN offices (his only employer) were roughly ejected. NOBODY wanted to take on black militants. During the campaign, Jerome Corsi (author of "Obama Nation" went to Kenya to interview Obama's Aunt who had said publically and signed an affadavit that she had witnessed his birth in Kenya-- Corsi was jailed!!! They told him he was lucky to leave that country alive--and likely he is still fearful of assassination. The aunt has disappeared-- and MSM is not looking for her.

AND, the liberal media really didn't want to know or report anything negative about him--they wanted him to win! They didn't dig after his records anywhere. There is only Fox News and Talk Radio to counter him-- and they have little power compared to the MSM.

But the ground swell is building. WHEN his popularity drops as the economy continues to tank, the MSM will find their courage-- Anthony Scalia and others who know all about this will find their guts too-- and the process will start.

When it all comes out it will be an astonishing event-- as the world realizes the most massive SCAM of all time has been perpetrated on the American people. An illegal alien became the American president. It will RUIN the MSM. Newspapers will close--and some TV networks may follow.

AND FYI, neither the President NOR any Congressman or Senator is "checked out" for background when he is elected. They are given access to TOP Secret information -- is that outrageous or what?

Larry

You mean even bigger than a 'lunar landing' to maintain financial backing for a space program? That's a big call Larry.

[DeadlySight]

So someone named Barry Soerto recieved Aid
Barrack Obama went to college and applied for aid under the name Barry Soerto?


Give it up man, you're stretching

[Not a German]

The presidential election in the U.S. is a highly adversarial process during which challenges to a candidate's consitutional legitimacy can be freely pursued. Issues such as these must be raised during an election and certainly before a president is sworn in, to have any legal force. There was plenty of discussion about Obama's citizenship early on, but it was either never brought to federal court or was brought and thrown out.

If Obama's fellow democratic candidates didn't try this issue and the Republicans failed to as well, it becomes lost forever, legally. This concept is broadly intertwined with the laws in the U.S.

If anyone did uncover facts at this stage showing a consitutional shortcoming, there is no question the U.S. Supreme Court would throw out any attempt to use that as a basis for disqualifying an already elected president for the reasons described above.

So this issue is moot, at least for those who have a partial foothold in the real world.

Well, I'd like to chat further, but I'm afraid I've ripped my pants whilst typing this and must go see if there's another pair in the closet I can fit into.

[Horseballs]

I really appreciate Lahrrey's ability to be personally offended by global events. I bet he lost sleep over Octomom and is working on the last piece of the puzzle in the 9/11 Conspiracy.
PS
Aliens are in charge of the Whitehouse and have been for years. The Freemasons are putting mind control agents in the drinking water to hide it. I guess none of this will matter when the world ends on 12/21/2012.

[collegegolfer]

I really appreciate Lahrrey's ability to be personally offended by global events. I bet he lost sleep over Octomom and is working on the last piece of the puzzle in the 9/11 Conspiracy.
PS
Aliens are in charge of the Whitehouse and have been for years. The Freemasons are putting mind control agents in the drinking water to hide it. I guess none of this will matter when the world ends on 12/21/2012.

Is that really when the world is going to end?!?!?! I better golf all I can! Thanks for letting me know! I want everyone to know I found Sasquatch. He was in the golf bag of a local pro! These theories are coming TRUE people! TIME FOR ACTION!!! Get out and GOLF BEFORE THE WORLD ENDS!!!

[poe4soul]

If this is true I definitely have enough money to retire. I'm giving my notice today but I doubt my boss will listen to me. He's such an a-hole.

[Horseballs]

If this is true I definitely have enough money to retire. I'm giving my notice today but I doubt my boss will listen to me. He's such an a-hole.

It's true. Just stop showing up. Hopefully your company will pay you for awhile, but if not, who cares?

[poe4soul]

Since I own the company, probably. My boss is still an a-hole.

[Larryrsf]

I suppose it does technically say "parentS" to be a citizen. You might have a little SOMETHING but you're still a whacko. :-D Have to wait to see what the courts deem as the interpretation of natural born and so forth. Try finding sites that are a little less whacko though. There actually are some moderate articles looking at both sides that still leave it as a question of interpretation. You pick the most far out sites...probably get them as forwards from your older relatives like I do.

Why not just change your posts from "you" to "it?" Address the premise instead of the poster. I am not the issue here--

The issue is whether our president is eligible to be president, whether he has skated past the normal checks that would have caught a white candidate-- and is now sitting there after NOTHING about him was checked by anyone. Everyone thought someone else would do it-- but nobody wanted to be accused of being a racist. NOBODY checked his Chicago connections, how he got a $2 million home there-- and much more. NOBODY wanted to ask and risk the wrath of the Chicago machine--AND the black "racist" defense that will certainly be hurled at me for simply asking. So nobody checked anything!!! Obama has never had a background investigation for a security clearance--yet he is looking at our nation's most sensitive secrets! We don't know what sort of connections he has to foreign nationals --the sort of connections that would prevent him from being an officer in the Navy.

If you are not worried about this--you are a fool.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

The presidential election in the U.S. is a highly adversarial process during which challenges to a candidate's consitutional legitimacy can be freely pursued. Issues such as these must be raised during an election and certainly before a president is sworn in, to have any legal force. There was plenty of discussion about Obama's citizenship early on, but it was either never brought to federal court or was brought and thrown out.

If Obama's fellow democratic candidates didn't try this issue and the Republicans failed to as well, it becomes lost forever, legally. This concept is broadly intertwined with the laws in the U.S.

If anyone did uncover facts at this stage showing a consitutional shortcoming, there is no question the U.S. Supreme Court would throw out any attempt to use that as a basis for disqualifying an already elected president for the reasons described above.

So this issue is moot, at least for those who have a partial foothold in the real world.

Well, I'd like to chat further, but I'm afraid I've ripped my pants whilst typing this and must go see if there's another pair in the closet I can fit into.

The issue is far from moot. It is building to a crisis. 16 Federal lawsuits have been filed--that is at least 16 lawyers risking penalties for frivolous filing--not likely! We can be absolutely certain that exhaustive research has been done and is on-going. I would expect they will or have already found his great aunt and other witnesses who signed the affadavit testifying that he was born in Kenya.

Obama undoubtedly knows the net is closing around him and that unless a credible birth certificate surfaces--he will be asked to resign-- or be impeached. There will be an outcry, but the law is the law. If he is not eligible he cannot be allowed to continue as POTUS.

A new poll shows that 51% of Americans, regardless of party, are VERY concerned about this issue. It will NOT go away.

Larry

[poe4soul]

A new poll shows that 51% of Americans

What poll, where?

I'm VERY, VERY concerned (not really) that you pull this information out of your BUNGHOLE. It seems that you get ALL of your misinformation from obscure places. YOU of ALL people should know that YOU CANNOT believe EVERYTHING you read!

Get some creditable sources or STFU.

[Larryrsf]

What poll, where?

I'm VERY, VERY concerned (not really) that you pull this information out of your BUNGHOLE. It seems that you get ALL of your misinformation from obscure places. YOU of ALL people should know that YOU CANNOT believe EVERYTHING you read!

Get some creditable sources or STFU.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ is a good place to start. They link to dozens of other sites and poll results. I don't make anything up. I formulate my opinion after reading, watching, and listening to many sources of information. I always have 4 books in progress. Do some homework, then post. Otherwise you are out of your league.

And different from you, I don't hurl personal insults at total stranagers. That kind of hatefulness indicates a lack of class. People with intelligence and education don't stoop to personal insults. That is disqualifying in any debate-- but then you may have never participated in a formal debate....

Larry

[poe4soul]

So your April fools letter about the supreme court reviewing one of those cases is creditable? You have two bad sources in one thread as examples of Obama's citizenship. Why would anyone believe any of your other comments?

I didn't stoop to personal insults. I showed concern about you sources and I gave you suggestions. Like don't believe everything you read.

The site you linked is a right wing site. Any poll taken on this site is obviously going to be skewed and is not a true representation of ALL or EVERY. Don't believe this is a representation of ALL. It would be akin to making a Poll on GR asking if 1) KP is a SGI shovel playing hack or 2) A Talented golfer who should be ranked #1 in the world. Or like going to a peace rally and asking if we should have invaded Iraq. To get a creditable poll it must be randomly administered to all people not just ones visiting a specific site especially if that site is biased.

BTW - I do have pockets full of shiat and I'm not afraid to use them. Where's a good parade when you need one?

[DeadlySight]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ is a good place to start. They link to dozens of other sites and poll results. I don't make anything up. I formulate my opinion after reading, watching, and listening to many sources of information. I always have 4 books in progress. Do some homework, then post. Otherwise you are out of your league.

And different from you, I don't hurl personal insults at total stranagers. That kind of hatefulness indicates a lack of class. People with intelligence and education don't stoop to personal insults. That is disqualifying in any debate-- but then you may have never participated in a formal debate....

Larry

From the website you linked
"7.8 percent said they were "troubled" by the questions"

Since when is 7.8% = 51%?

[Larryrsf]

I didn't stoop to personal insults.

You wrote gratuitous personal insults, some profane. Those words are now searchable on the Internet--and will always appear right over your name. And your real name can be easily traced, BTW. You made yourself appear to be just another low-life writing on the bathroom walls. Don't expect respect after that.

Larry

[Kiwi Player]

You wrote gratuitous personal insults, some profane. Those words are now searchable on the Internet--and will always appear right over your name. And your real name can be easily traced, BTW. You made yourself appear to be just another low-life writing on the bathroom walls. Don't expect respect after that.

Larry

Oh dear. Poe you've lost Larry's respect. How will you ever recover from this?

[Not a hacker]

Larry is starting to sound alot like his own description of Alan with his enquiries about Poe's perosnal details. Poe, keep an eye over your shoulder for an old dude with a moustache, straw hat and shitt eating grin when you're on your way home from now on.

[poe4soul]

Kiwi, I don't know what I'm going to do with myself. I've lost lorries respect.

Seriously, I didn't mean any disrespect with you larry but I don't get your intense do or die attitude toward politics. Life goes on. As a fiscal conservative, social liberal, I get very fustratated by both parties politics. I think many moderates in the US feel the same way, captive by both extreme views.

[Not a German]

The issue is far from moot. It is building to a crisis. 16 Federal lawsuits have been filed--that is at least 16 lawyers risking penalties for frivolous filing--not likely! We can be absolutely certain that exhaustive research has been done and is on-going. I would expect they will or have already found his great aunt and other witnesses who signed the affadavit testifying that he was born in Kenya.


Larry

You lack even an infinitesimally tiny understanding of what you're attempting to talk about, particularly as it relates to the law. You also aren't able to apply sane judgement to a real world situation. But you do seem able to comminicate with other fruitcakes and reach consensus as to what looney tunes issues you'll latch onto and out of which shopping cart you'll pull your newpaper.

[NiftyNiblick]

OBAMA'S RECORDS


OBAMA'S TURNTABLE

OBAMA'S AMPLIFIER

OBAMA"S SPEAKERS


WTF ELSE DO YOU NEED?

[poe4soul]

More poo thrown from the shadows.... Shame on you NaG.

[Not a German]

OBAMA'S RECORDS


OBAMA'S TURNTABLE

OBAMA'S AMPLIFIER

OBAMA"S SPEAKERS


WTF ELSE DO YOU NEED?

I didn't know Obama went for a Linn Turntable. Is that ever pricey. The Mac amp is pretty sweet too. We Scots don't register on the world meter too often, except when it comes to amazing audio equipment.

And Monty did for us what OJ did for black people.

[Kiwi Player]

More poo thrown from the shadows.... Shame on you NaG.

Was there a passing parade? Did I miss it?

[FreakOfNature]

Obama's Birth Certificate



Myth busted.

Just because some whack-job conspiracy theorists insist on repeating untruths over and over does not make them suddenly come true. This matter was laid to rest back in June 2008.

More interesting reading - http://www.cracked.com/article_17439...-theories.html

They have pills to cure depression, anxiety, ADHD, etc... but so far they haven't come up with a pill that cures stupid. Well... there is one that MIGHT work...



Clinical trials are still ongoing. So far the results look promising. Ask your doctor if cyanide is right for you.



FON

[poe4soul]

FON,

Don't confuse Larry with the facts. He has a perfect make believe reality and he doesn't need these facts to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Keep up the good work Larry.

[dano8238]

I guess old white guys with age spots stick up for each other,ie Larry,John McCain....

[Larryrsf]

Obama's Birth Certificate
FON

This issue continues to fester because a Certificate of Live birth, unsigned by a physician, is meaningless. It is not a Birth Cerfificate signed by a physician. Obama was born in Kenya-- his mother rushed back to Hawaii and was unable to get any hospital there to issue a real Birth Certificate. The CLB is the best she could get. EVERYONE knows it is meaningless-- and when his popularity drops below 50%, the mainstream media will do their job and expose him-- as ineligible to be president because he was not "natural born" as required by the Constitution. He will be forced to resign. He may even be deported because his mother failed to have the baby naturalized, knowing that would be to acknowledge that he was born elsewhere to a mother not 18 years old--not a US Citizen under existing law.

----------------------------------------
More questions, and this time some good questions--this issue will NEVER go away until these are answered. Obviously quite a few people KNOW that Obama is not eligible to be President of the US.

What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible because Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.

If he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America , as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

-----------------------------------
Larry

[KoolCat]

I look at it this way, if they could get Al Capone for tax evasion, maybe they can get Obama on a technicality related to his not being a natural born citizen. Bottom line, he needs to be stopped before he completely ruins the greatest country in the history of the civilized world.

[Not a hacker]

I look at it this way, if they could get Al Capone for tax evasion, maybe they can get Obama on a technicality related to his not being a natural born citizen. Bottom line, he needs to be stopped before he completely ruins the greatest country in the history of the civilized world.

Spoken like a true American patriot who thinks world history started on July 4, 1776, and that Greece is something you use to cook your fried chicken wings.

[Larryrsf]

I look at it this way, if they could get Al Capone for tax evasion, maybe they can get Obama on a technicality related to his not being a natural born citizen. Bottom line, he needs to be stopped before he completely ruins the greatest country in the history of the civilized world.

The investigation and removal process will start as his popularity drops. NOBODY has the guts to take on someone with 65%+ popularity, even Supreme Court Justices hesitate to take on a black person that popular. They fear the "pitchfork parade." But when he drops into the 40's-- as is certain to happen when the unemployed understand that they ARE unemployed because of Obama's ideas and prejudices. When they realize that things were pretty good under GW Bush and Clinton and HW Bush. When people realize that Obama did this because he is not remotely qualified to be making the ruinous decision he has made--that he is not qualified even to be a 4th level assistant to a President of the US, even the most liberal will want this imposter gone!

It will be fun to watch-- but I hope the process starts before he has been able to do much permanent damage. Before the world's despots take advantage of the fact that America has no resolute leader and attack us--a 9/11 or worse.

His ineligibility will be our excuse to get this phony outa there!

Larry

[Kiwi Player]

Spoken like a true American patriot who thinks world history started on July 4, 1776, and that Greece is something you use to cook your fried chicken wings.

You know I always had you figured for an Aussie Bigot that wouldn't know much about anything outside of sport but, like Larry, some of your best work is in the NGF.

LOL - nice work!

[lorenzoinoc]

Larry, I just want you to know that while everyone else seems to think you're a wacko, I no longer do. Everything you're saying makes complete sense.

Naysayers like this will just never accept reality no matter what facts you show them. I wouldn't even attempt to convince them that alien reptiles are running all of the major countries on earth.

But you and I aren't afraid of the truth. Everything we need to know is right there in our shopping carts.

[Not a hacker]

You know I always had you figured for an Aussie Bigot that wouldn't know much about anything outside of sport but, like Larry, some of your best work is in the NGF.

LOL - nice work!

I'll take teh compliment but please don't put me up on the same pedastal as Larry. I'm not worthy.

[KoolCat]

Spoken like a true American patriot who thinks world history started on July 4, 1776, and that Greece is something you use to cook your fried chicken wings.

OK, maybe greatest country in the HISTORY of the civilized world was a bit over the top. However, I can't help to over exaggerate my love for this country when it is being run by a president who apparently hates the country he is in charge of and is trying to destroy it from the inside. I feel it is important for people in other countries to understand that we do not share his point of view and are actually proud to be Americans (unlike his wife).

[NiftyNiblick]

I honestly can't understand why conservatives whine about O'Bama. O'Bama's not even a progressive liberal. The guy is a goddamned centrist--a Republican-Lite for christ's sake.

The SOB just said last night that he wanted a health care program that was "uniquely American." That's the crap we have now. What we really need is a system that's uniquely Scandinavian.

Private health insurance is the buggy whip of the third millennium. It's an anachronistic industry that none of us should be trying to preserve. But O'Bama, Republican-Lite loser that he is, is trying to do just that.

This nation is the most socially regressive, least civilized nation in all of developed Western Civilization, and it remains this way because of the mouth breathing troglodytes who don't understand the difference between nationalist chavinism and true patriotism.

The true patriots who realy love America realize how embarrassingly backward she is and try to drag her kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Until we're evolved enough to realize that private health insurance for profit is an industry that needs to be be abolished, we are to socio-economics what Islamic theocracies are to social modernity and human rights.

Sadly, though, this isn't the only area in which O'Bama is just Bush with better grammar. He still believes in military solutions in the middle east. he refuses to prosecute Bush Administration criminals, and the list goes on.

The totally moronic wingnuts talk about him as though he were Stalin, when in reality, he's only cosmetically different from them in his approach. I voted fot the MF-er but he's not the hardcore HNIC that I wanted. He's a lowlife centrist who's little better than a conservative. I'm sick of the kid already, and there are times that I'd like to drill him in the mouth with a left hook as much as I wanted to do that to Dubya.

[dorkman53]

NN. It may or may not have occurred to you how very far you are from the mainstream of US American opinion on many subjects. The fact that Obama isn't liberal enough for you, and that you see CNN as mainstream and unbiased speaks volumes. You are clearly a fish out of water in the US. May I suggest emigration to one of your socialist utopias ASAP, so you can find out the hard truth about excessively high taxes, lack of opportunity, and a mediocre health system that functions by rationing and delaying needed care.
The US has plenty of room for improvement, but I prefer it over anywhere else I've been in the world. Free enterprise leads to innovation. Socialism leads to comfortable mediocrity.
You don't have to pull out the statistics about infant mortality, etc. I'm well aware of them. The US clearly needs to put a safety net under those who truly can't afford basic coverage, but a government run and controlled system would be an onerous burden that most people in this country do not want. If the government is paying the bills, they WILL dictate to doctors and patients what choices they will fund, and therefore will cause cookie cutter medicine, if they have their way. That's the way it works in your socialist systems, friend.

[poe4soul]

. If the government is paying the bills, they WILL dictate to doctors and patients what choices they will fund, and therefore will cause cookie cutter medicine, if they have their way.

Doesn't the insurance bureaucrats play this role right now? How is it any different? Many insurance companies compensate their employees based on denial of claims or retro-active denial of the entire plan. Some of the denial of claims/plans are ridiculous like pains in an arm and shoulder for denial of a plan when the lady got kidney stones. WTF? The insurance company lost the law suite but this is the way most of them role. They know that there legal department can bury most individuals and will if needed.

Don't get me wrong DM. I don't want a nationalized system but our system is far from ideal and without better legislation of the whole health care companies/system (insurance/doctors/pharmaceutical) individual's get taken advantage of and it shows on our cost of care compared to other industrialized countries.

[NiftyNiblick]

I DO want a government run system because I don't see enough smarts around these parts to think that the entire rest of the developed world is wrong and we by ourselves are right. Quite the contrary, truth be told.

The whole argument about decisions being made between patient and doctor are as disingenouous as any arguments can be. This scenario takes place only when the patient him/herself is signing the checks.

Except for that rare instance, we have a choice between insurance companies or government taking part in the decisions. We don't have a vote in insurance company boardrooms but we do have a voice in our government.

Health insurance for profit is both obsolete, and in these modern times at civilized mankind's level of evolvement, morally despicable right at the conceptual level. Our preservation of it betrays us as a socially primitive nation.

An American can either be ashamed of this or be immoral and unworthy to breathe air. In my view, it's as as simple as that. There's no grey area to discuss. Grey is for business suits and battleships.

[Larryrsf]

OK, maybe greatest country in the HISTORY of the civilized world was a bit over the top. However, I can't help to over exaggerate my love for this country when it is being run by a president who apparently hates the country he is in charge of and is trying to destroy it from the inside. I feel it is important for people in other countries to understand that we do not share his point of view and are actually proud to be Americans (unlike his wife).

We should all remember how pathetic Obama is while speaking without a teleprompter. That inability to articulate on his feet means that he primarily says what he is told to say-- and that Rahm Immanuel is actually in charge there. He writes it, Obama says it. The few times Obama has spoken extemporaneously, he screwed up and they had to scamble to retract his words.

The only conclusion is that Obama is as stupid and poorly educated as his refusal to release his school transcripts would seem to suggest. He failed and those transcripts would reveal the truth. He could not have been elected dog-catcher (except in the black community)

People in the State Department know the truth about his passport-- and what citizenship he used to travel to Pakistan in the early 80s. It was NOT US because this country forbade travel to Pakistan during those years, which means that he got a passport and traveled using his real birth certificate-- from Indonesia or Kenya. I hope someone leaks this information soon. The world knows is is tooling up to act on the fact that the US President is weaker than any in our recent history. They WILL take advantage.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Below are the email addresses of some of the sponsors of that outrageous commercial infomercial on ABC news last night from the White House.

ABC news has basically admitted that it has abandoned all pretense of objectivity and fairness in order to pander to the Obama White House. ABC news has forfeited any right to characterize what it says, "news." It is all just opinion--and obviously the highy partisan opinion of the Democrat Party and the current administration. Accordingly, their propaganda should be ignored.

AND, since these sponsors lent their good names to that farce, in fact financed it, they should be warned that their products will be boycotted by thousands of us.

Email them and tell them what you think!

Larry


James.Gerace@VerizonWireless.com
Dove Soap <OpenInnovation.hpc@unilever.com>
Yoplait <Consumer.Services-Yoplait@genmills.com>
Ford Motor Company <crcfmc@ford.com>
Toyota Motor Company <toyota_cares@toyota.com>

[Horseballs]

Below are the email addresses of some of the sponsors of that outrageous commercial infomercial on ABC news last night from the White House.

ABC news has basically admitted that it has abandoned all pretense of objectivity and fairness in order to pander to the Obama White House. ABC news has forfeited any right to characterize what it says, "news." It is all just opinion--and obviously the highy partisan opinion of the Democrat Party and the current administration. Accordingly, their propaganda should be ignored.

AND, since these sponsors lent their good names to that farce, in fact financed it, they should be warned that their products will be boycotted by thousands of us.

Email them and tell them what you think!

Larry


James.Gerace@VerizonWireless.com
Dove Soap <OpenInnovation.hpc@unilever.com>
Yoplait <Consumer.Services-Yoplait@genmills.com>
Ford Motor Company <crcfmc@ford.com>
Toyota Motor Company <toyota_cares@toyota.com>

No way in hell am I pissing off the yogurt people.

[Larryrsf]

No way in hell am I pissing off the yogurt people.

They smarter than you think. I have read that each letter or email received on a subject is considered to represent thousands with the same opinion. So a good letter hits like a bomb! Write a paper letter that someone might post on a bulletin board to get an immense effect.

They might send you a case of Yogart.

Larry

[wofat]

This is a fantastic thread. I just read it again and must say that I am truly amazed by Larry's ability to ignore facts, solid sources, etc., and then turn around and post some other randomized 'factoid' from wnd or another pseudo-craptastic source indicating that it finally PROVES his stance.

Larry, you may be insane, dilusional, and ignorant (or maybe a Troll), but I must hand it to you that you can write one hell of a funny post. Thanks for this permenant piece of internet hilarity.

[Larryrsf]

This is a fantastic thread. I just read it again and must say that I am truly amazed by Larry's ability to ignore facts, solid sources, etc., and then turn around and post some other randomized 'factoid' from wnd or another pseudo-craptastic source indicating that it finally PROVES his stance.

Larry, you may be insane, dilusional, and ignorant (or maybe a Troll), but I must hand it to you that you can write one hell of a funny post. Thanks for this permenant piece of internet hilarity.

Tiresome. When they can't argue the premise, they always ridicule the source. Right out of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and the bible of Obama's only previous employment, ACORN. If someone brings up an objection, try to get the crowd to laugh at him... etc. etc.

Larry

[wofat]

Tiresome. When they can't argue the premise, they always ridicule the source. Right out of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and the bible of Obama's only previous employment, ACORN. If someone brings up an objection, try to get the crowd to laugh at him... etc. etc.

Larry

And yet this is the same tiresome line you use every time someone asks you for a source or any detail. Stop wasting your time filling our forum with your fantasy and post some substance. Oh, wait... I suppose without having any (even remotely credible) sources it makes it kind of tough.

When you post something credible that supports your premise, I promise to stop laughing at you (though I can't vouch for everyone else).

[Larryrsf]

[QUOTE=[/QUOTE]

It is not about you or me. It is about the premise of the question-- can Obama prove his eligibility to be President? I contend the answer is NO because he was born in Kenya to a 17-year old. He cannot prove he was born in Hawaii. A Certificate of Live Birth is meaningless. No physician signs that he witnessed the birth. To test that, I challenge anyone who thinks a COLB means anything to travel outside the country and try to get back with only a COLB to prove your citizenship. They will laugh at you. AND you will stay outside the country until you show a proper birth certificate. Nobody can get a Passport with a COLB.

Obama obtained a Passport in the early 80s. That raquires a Birth Certificate (not a COLB). He went to Pakistan-- which was a "no travel" country for US Citizens then. What country issued the passport he used. So what name is the Passport issued to? Where did the birth certificate indicate he was born??

People in the State Department know the answers. Obviously Hillary Clinton has access to that information--and Obama knows it.

All loyal American should be asking these questions. Who is the imposter posing as US President?

Larry

[poe4soul]

AND you will stay outside the country until you show a proper birth certificate. Nobody can get a Passport with a COLB

So Larry what's the difference between a Certificate of Birth and a "proper birth certificate?" From what I've read, everywhere the legal document for birth in Hawaii is a Certificate of Birth.

[Larryrsf]

So Larry what's the difference between a Certificate of Birth and a "proper birth certificate?" From what I've read, everywhere the legal document for birth in Hawaii is a Certificate of Birth.

Wow! Do your homework. A Hawaii Birth Certicate looks like yours and mine from every state in the US. A physician will have signed that he witnessed the birth. In contrast, a COLB is just a paper saying, "that is a baby and he is alive." No physician signature= meaningless.

If we had a physician's name, the authorities would have interviewed him by now. Have you seen that interview??? N physician will testify that he saw Obama born-- DUH

He was born in Kenya. He is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen."

Larry

[alangbaker]

Wow! Do your homework. A Hawaii Birth Certicate looks like yours and mine from every state in the US. A physician will have signed that he witnessed the birth. In contrast, a COLB is just a paper saying, "that is a baby and he is alive." No physician signature= meaningless.

If we had a physician's name, the authorities would have interviewed him by now. Have you seen that interview??? N physician will testify that he saw Obama born-- DUH

Unless -- you know -- being as how it was quite a long time ago...

...the physician is no longer alive.

As you are so fond of saying: DUH

[poe4soul]

Wow, do YOUR homework!

The Hawaii Department of Health issues a "Certificate of Birth" which is commonly referred to as a Birth Certificate. They are one and the same. WOW!! The have two forms, a long form and the short form. They do not send copies of the long form which has the information you are claiming is lacking. This has been brought to about every court in the county and has been denied.

The US Supreme Court considered a case but was denied a full hearing. (Source)

This is from FactCheck.org (Link):

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

[Larryrsf]

HUNDREDS of smart lawyers are all over this case. Anthony Scalia has agreed to hear it--because the Obama campaign has been unable to prove his Hawaii birth. The entire issue came up and lives ONLY because people much smarter than you and me have reviewed the available documents and are not satisfied.

There is also overwhelming evidence that he was born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother in Kenya. His Aunt signed a sworn affadavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya.

At the time Hawaii was issuing "Normal" birth certificates signed by the attending physician. If you had been born then in that hospital, you would have a birth certificate signed by the physician who witnessed your birth (NOT an unsigned "certificate of live birth")-- why can't Obama simply produce such a document and bury this entire issue?

This doesn't go away because he was born in Kenya.

Larry

[wofat]

HUNDREDS of smart lawyers are all over this case. Anthony Scalia has agreed to hear it--because the Obama campaign has been unable to prove his Hawaii birth. The entire issue came up and lives ONLY because people much smarter than you and me have reviewed the available documents and are not satisfied.

There is also overwhelming evidence that he was born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother in Kenya. His Aunt signed a sworn affadavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya.

At the time Hawaii was issuing "Normal" birth certificates signed by the attending physician. If you had been born then in that hospital, you would have a birth certificate signed by the physician who witnessed your birth (NOT an unsigned "certificate of live birth")-- why can't Obama simply produce such a document and bury this entire issue?

This doesn't go away because he was born in Kenya.

Larry

Ok, so I'll translate here:

HUNDREDS of smart lawyers are all over this case. Anthony Scalia has agreed to hear it--because the Obama campaign has been unable to prove his Hawaii birth. The entire issue came up and lives ONLY because people much smarter than you and me have reviewed the available documents and are not satisfied.

Translation: "A very small number of Lawyers, whom everyone knows are super smart, are willing to try to make money by fighting this. Therefore, it must be true. Lawyers are smarter than me so we know it must be true. Come on!!! These are LAWYERS! They always work for the public good and do not ever have alterior motives."

Larry, lawyers make a living questioning interpretation. Their whole purpose is seeminly to expose possible loopholes or flaws in the law. However, just because you have a few other whackjobs that 'feel' they may be right, doesn't make if fact. Additionally, I believe somewhere earlier we outlined who these lawyers are....

"There is also overwhelming evidence that he was born in Kenya to a 17-year old mother in Kenya. His Aunt signed a sworn affadavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya. "

Translation: "I love posting stuff without any sources or without being based in fact because... well... because I can. And when you post a source contradictory to mine, I will move on to another sourceless post."

Again Larry... just randomly posting your thoughts doesn't make them reality. Further, your theory that everyone should look up the sources to your posts themselves is just hilarious. I think that I, along with the others, will continue to assume that your posts are total BS until you learn to provide a source, which would then thankfully limit your posting.

"At the time Hawaii was issuing "Normal" birth certificates signed by the attending physician. If you had been born then in that hospital, you would have a birth certificate signed by the physician who witnessed your birth (NOT an unsigned "certificate of live birth")-- why can't Obama simply produce such a document and bury this entire issue?"

Translation: Please see previous translation, and add 1/2 T of nutjob.

Yes, you're nuts.

"This doesn't go away because he was born in Kenya."

Translation - "I absolutely know this is true. Some guy told me so. And, I may have had a vision."

[poe4soul]

Agreed to hear what? You're full of bs. Show me the docket or any other link from the us supreme court that shows this info. It doesn't exist.

There most definitely a long certificate of birth. This is what they court cases are after. They want to see the long form. The state of Hawaii will not release the information. Probably to protect the doctor and hospital from nut jobs hauling them into court to witness the fact that he was actually born. The courts upheld the states rights. Case closed. Every case brought on this issue has been and will be dismissed.

[Larryrsf]

Agreed to hear what? You're full of bs. Show me the docket or any other link from the us supreme court that shows this info. It doesn't exist.

There most definitely a long certificate of birth. This is what they court cases are after. They want to see the long form. The state of Hawaii will not release the information. Probably to protect the doctor and hospital from nut jobs hauling them into court to witness the fact that he was actually born. The courts upheld the states rights. Case closed. Every case brought on this issue has been and will be dismissed.

There has been only preliminary hearings so far. Several judges have ruled that the plaintiff has "no standing." and thus abdicated his duty to review the evidence. The cases never got further. But several places say 12 or more federal cases are pending....same issues. Alan Keyes among others are behind these. Not flakes--

Reason: Obama is black and popular-- and no federal judge wants to be the personal target of a frenzy like occurred after King was shot.

Things will start happening on this when Obama's popularity drops below 50%-- which could be soon. He is dropping like a rock.

Larry

[lorenzoinoc]

This isn't in any way a legal or constitutional issue that will receive any serious attention except amongst the genre of complete crackpots craving attention any way they can get it. Lahry loves attention and is willing to spread his cheeks in front of the world if that's what it takes to get it.

[Larryrsf]

Read through the compilation in the first post in this thread. I didn't write any of it-- those are credible sources asking pertinent questions. Any objective person should wonder about the possibilities they point to. If you don't you are a blind partisan. You are not objective. Lets see your line-by-line refutation... You can't--- so you attack me personally. Lame.

Larry

[lorenzoinoc]

Ok, I'll give you a serious response here. See if you can find anyone with a with a credible legal background that treats this issue with seriousness. To the extent there's factual merit in any of this, there simply isn't a basis at this point for it to be actionable.

Put in simple terms, it's too late for any of this to matter. The issue isn't whether the facts support what's being contended. If you really want to understand why, get with someone who has an understanding of con. law. That doesn't include the crackpots such as the one that wrote the article. Absent a credible legal opinion that there's post inaugural standing, this is simply the stuff of looney morons.

You're treated like a nutcase here because you behave like one. If it's just about getting attention, as it appears, then fine. It's great to have clowns around. But if you're serious about this stuff, get professional psychological help. You really need it.

[wofat]

Ok, Larry, here it is... per your request. Line by line refutation of your BS article found in a BS partisan website. However, I'm only going the first two BS paragraphs as I have better things to do than spend a half day slogging through this drivel.

Dumbass Article: "While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present his elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other documents remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye."

Wofat: Note, that the 400,000 number is their OWN online petition that does no identify verification. I can submit any name and email address that I want and I add to the total. Note also that the email address need not be valid, unless, a someone named 'Larrys Tinfoilhat' at the email address larry@tinfoilhats.com does indeed exist. Did I mention that I can submit as many of these as I want, and can also write a quick script to keep that number moving upwards quite rapidly? Enough on that.

Dumbass Article: The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.

According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country.

So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.

Wofat: Ok, so basically the conspiracy here is that an elementary school in Hawaii is unable to produce a copy of the birth certificate from a student whom attended... what... 40 years ago? Additionally, the source it provides of the requirement (Hawaii Dept of Education) is CURRENT DAY, not the requirement from 40 years ago. Was this the requirement? I don't know, but I don't see the conspiracy here. I can guarentee you that my old elementary school doesn't have most of my records, if any, and that was only 30 some years ago. Additionally, it doesn't state that they need a copy! You only have to HAVE IT (thus the 'What to bring?'. They don't ask for a copy, they ask you to bring it.

Dumbass Article: Though from a modest background, Obama began attending the prestigious Punahou School in Honolulu, one of Hawaii's top private institutions. He reportedly received a scholarship and attended the school from the fifth grade until he finished high school, though no financial records have been released.

The Boston Globe reported, "In 1979, the year Obama graduated, tuition for high school students at Punahou was $1,990, a sizable expense compared with Hawaii's median family income of $22,750 that year.

Obama, reportedly a "B" student, studied among the island's richest and most accomplished students. According to the school's website, he also played forward on Punahou's 1979 state championship basketball team.

Wofat: Note that no specific claim is made here. You see, Larry, they know their audience. They know that by not making any claim and making some reference to make you think "How does he have enough money for that?" will get your tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorist tail a-wagging. Looks like he also played basketball. Wow...

This is some pretty weak sh!t Larry. Maybe you need to really actually read this **** you so eagerly lap up. There is really nothing here. Even later on in this article, it's all hypothesis and theory, with random quotes thrown in from various, reputable sources that have nothing to do with their hypothesis... it just makes it *SEEM* more real.

Get a grip buddy, before you fall off.

[Larryrsf]

Ok, Larry, here it is... per your request. Line by line refutation of your BS article found in a BS partisan website. However, I'm only going the first two BS paragraphs as I have better things to do than spend a half day slogging through this drivel.

Dumbass Article: "While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present his elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other documents remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye."

Wofat: Note, that the 400,000 number is their OWN online petition that does no identify verification. I can submit any name and email address that I want and I add to the total. Note also that the email address need not be valid, unless, a someone named 'Larrys Tinfoilhat' at the email address larry@tinfoilhats.com does indeed exist. Did I mention that I can submit as many of these as I want, and can also write a quick script to keep that number moving upwards quite rapidly? Enough on that.

Dumbass Article: The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.

According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country.

So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.

Wofat: Ok, so basically the conspiracy here is that an elementary school in Hawaii is unable to produce a copy of the birth certificate from a student whom attended... what... 40 years ago? Additionally, the source it provides of the requirement (Hawaii Dept of Education) is CURRENT DAY, not the requirement from 40 years ago. Was this the requirement? I don't know, but I don't see the conspiracy here. I can guarentee you that my old elementary school doesn't have most of my records, if any, and that was only 30 some years ago. Additionally, it doesn't state that they need a copy! You only have to HAVE IT (thus the 'What to bring?'. They don't ask for a copy, they ask you to bring it.

Dumbass Article: Though from a modest background, Obama began attending the prestigious Punahou School in Honolulu, one of Hawaii's top private institutions. He reportedly received a scholarship and attended the school from the fifth grade until he finished high school, though no financial records have been released.

The Boston Globe reported, "In 1979, the year Obama graduated, tuition for high school students at Punahou was $1,990, a sizable expense compared with Hawaii's median family income of $22,750 that year.

Obama, reportedly a "B" student, studied among the island's richest and most accomplished students. According to the school's website, he also played forward on Punahou's 1979 state championship basketball team.

Wofat: Note that no specific claim is made here. You see, Larry, they know their audience. They know that by not making any claim and making some reference to make you think "How does he have enough money for that?" will get your tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorist tail a-wagging. Looks like he also played basketball. Wow...

This is some pretty weak sh!t Larry. Maybe you need to really actually read this **** you so eagerly lap up. There is really nothing here. Even later on in this article, it's all hypothesis and theory, with random quotes thrown in from various, reputable sources that have nothing to do with their hypothesis... it just makes it *SEEM* more real.

Get a grip buddy, before you fall off.

I simply posted the article, which is one of dozens like that. Their genesis is the root problem that Obama has been repeatedly asked for and apparently cannot produce a birth certificate signed by a physician. Alan Keyes and many other very credible people jumped on at that stage.

Obama could have but didn't put this thing away early last year when several learned that his aunt in Kenya had signed a sworn affadavit that she saw him born in Kenya-- and several Kenyans credibly said that happened because his mother was not allowed to fly to Hawaii while 8+ months pregnant. Instead the Obama campaign has spent HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars on legal fees fighting this in every court. Why? Why not just show the birth certificate and move on?

So it all makes sense. His eligibility problem arose because she was not 18-- and that is a requirement for automatic citizenship for children born off-shore to Citizens. The sources said she rushed back and went from hospital to hospital in Hawaii--begging for a birth certificate. But the COLB was the best she could accomplish.

She did NOT have the baby "naturalized" because to do so would have been to admit that he was born in Kenya.

So why won't he release his school transcripts? Wouldn't you like to know whether your president actually did the coursework in several schools? I would--especially after I watched him try to talk without a teleprompter-- he sounds like a moron.

I am no expert but many like Alan Keyes are...

I will have the last laugh.

Larry

[wofat]

You continue to simply repeat the same, unsubstantiated BS over and over then point to sources that don't mention those items, or don't have sources themselves. THEN you have the gall to say it's *everybody else* that's simply partisan and burying their heads in the sand. WAKE UP!!!

OMG, it's like hitting myself in the face with a brick. I'm done... reason is obviously not in your deck.

[lorenzoinoc]

Larry, how long was it before your need to feel smarter than everyone else devolved into insanity, once you realized you were actually dumber than everyone else?

[Larryrsf]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...&pageId=102624

World Net Daily is all over this. Their staff writer is Jerome Corsi, PhD from Harvard, 40+ scholarly books including "Obama Nation" which I read. I don't know everything, but I have done enough digging to know more than most--and more tahn you!

Corsi went to Kenya last year--and was jailed! Why? The aunt has disappeared. Why? I think we all know why-- The whole Obama team, with millions invested in having their own pet president, is desperate to protect the information that might make him ineligible.

But it will come out--I am just an interested observer. People with money and power are filing lawsuits about this in federal court-- DOZENS of lawyers are risking sanctions for frivolous filing-- and they just don't do that. If there were not significant substance to this, it would go away.

Larry

[wofat]

So, just so I've got things straight.... you believe this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi

I see.