A 6-month evaluation of Obama

[Larryrsf]

Subject: Shocking and True 6-month Evaluation-

One of Bob Oster's CEO friends wrote this. Bob respects him highly. (For those on this list who don't know Bob: he was CFO of Oracle when it went public, also CFO of Syntex, and holds a Ph.D. in economics from Berkeley. Since 1987, he has been an angel investor and private VC. He is on the Board of Overseers at the Hoover Institution.)




My 6 Month Evaluation of the Obama Presidency


In November 2008, I wrote my evaluation of the Obama candidacy and what it might mean to America. I filed this away, but sent it to family members and a few close friends and associates just so I’d be accountable for my real time observations. It’s now been 6 months since Obama’s inauguration. (In the business world, this is typically when a first job review would occur; so, I made a note to myself to revisit his performance on the 6-month anniversary.) Thus, I now commit to filing my mid-year evaluation of our new President. As well, I’ve put in the file (but not forwarded to anyone) a separate “background checkâ€� — the one the press should’ve done on the Obama candidacy prior to presenting him to the American public — in case this is ever of relevance as things unfold.

As concerned as I was by Obama’s candidacy when I wrote out my November pre-election reservations, truth be known, I didn’t much like McCain/Palin either. At the time, I still had hopes that Obama might “govern from the center.â€� Six months into it, however, I can say that he’s been considerably worse than my worst fears. Thus, I’m updating my evaluation — this time with the ferve nt hope that by the year-end I can be genuinely more optimistic.


I’ve concluded that not only was Barack Obama too inexperienced to be President, but he also appears to be incompetent as an executive, more-than-just-politician-level-dishonest and a bit of a narcissist (if not a fascist). He seems to have little understanding of American history, her dreams, or her tremendous potential for risk-taking, self-correction and innovation. He and Michelle have turned out to be quintessential Ivy League “Oppression Studies majors� with (carefully concealed) “attitudes.� Obama seems, above all, to be a Community Organizer with shakedown credentials and extraordinary speaking ability. All of this should have been clear -- had we simply done serious background checks.


(The following 4 items, at least, should have been clear to voters:




1. His surrogate father figure was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed Communist. 2. Barack served as a committed trainer for Community Activist and Marxist, Saul Alinsky.
3. He sat for nearly 2 decades at the feet of Jeremiah Wright, an angry, anti-American “Black Liberation Theologist�.

4. His first autobiography, Dreams=2 0from My Father, was almost certainly ghost-written by William Ayers, a Vietnam-era domestic terrorist. [This last assertion has now been supported by careful analysis of syntax, spelling and common errors].) If these unusual threads (standing alone) are discounted to the point of not being disqualifiers, those evaluating Barack Obama might have considered that he’d never:


1. held a job in the private sector
2. managed a payroll
3. led a turnaround
4. held any sort of executive position.




But, none of this mattered in the fall of 2008. After 6 months, I’m left wondering if power brokers on the Far Left of American politics aren’t pinching themselves at their success in creating a fictitious character the press ushered to market in a Bush-weary and "politically correct" America. In his second autobiography, The Audacity of Hope, Obama recognizes the advantage of his tabula rasa “creation� when he writes, “I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.�

And, project we did! Thus, the former Barry Soetoro of Honolulu, Jakarta, Mombasa, Occidental, Columbia, Harvard and the mean streets of Chicago moved at light speed from being the first-term senator nobody had ever heard of to President of the United States. In the process, despite numerous efforts, no one has yet seen his birth certificate, his college transcripts, his application to Occidental (likely as a “foreign student�?), or the passport he used to travel in 1981 to Pakistan with buddy Wahid Hamid (likely an Indonesian one?). For some reason, the Obama campaign has, so far, spent $3/4 million keeping these records out of public view. So, it’s easy to wonder -- if they supported Obama’s putative CV -- why not make them available and put to rest all suspicions about provenance, training and politics?

My growing hunch is that there’s virtually no paper trail because the Obama biography has been created largely out of whole cloth. There -- I’ve said what increasing numbers of people must be thinking, but are afraid to voice. Whether or not Obama is more than a cleverly-marketed fiction, and whatever one thinks of his history, one thing is clear. He finally does have a record to evaluate. And, it’s not a confidence-inspiring one from my standpoint.

At best, Obama is an attractive symbol for America and a compelling communicator; but he’s
1. Not an executive. He’s shown an utter inability to focus, to set priorities and to consider 2nd and 3rd order or long-term consequences to his actions. Lack of focus on priorities is fatal as a CEO; (but, maybe less so for a political leader?) 2. Not a steward or fiduciary for America. Obama clearly does not see his primary job as one of overseeing the security and well-being of America during his tenure as its chief executive. He’s not only unwilling to stand up for America, but he also regularly seems to go out of his way to apologize for her history. This makes it apparent that he believes his most important job is to change America into what he and Michelle think it should have been had we not suffered the Founders’ flawed vision.
At worst, Obama’s aims seem truly radical (if stealth); his methods pure Alinsky; and his success derivative of obfuscating the truth, creating crises, and rushing changes into law that no one can possibly absorb under artificial deadlines — all aimed at limiting private property rights, changing the Constitution and forever altering our free market system?

For those who consider Obama’s training and background irrelevant, they can now evaluate him as a Commander-in-Chief and CEO from what he’s done over his first 6 months.

Among many other things, these evidences have come in the form of:




1. A $787B “stimulus� package (sold as preventing a “crisis from becoming catastrophe�)
2. The failure to focus on addressing the banking crisis as “Job One�
3. The migration of TARP funds to non-banking concerns, viz., auto industry 4. Announcing tax increases in the middle of a recession
5. Failure to identify projects to fund job creation (Thus, <10% of stimulus yet spent)
6. Announcing that there would be “no pork� or “earmarks� in the “stimulus� package in order to get it passed without review when there were nearly 10,000 buried in the unread bill (including a $9B high-speed rail line to Las Vegas for Harry Reid)
7. Bailouts of the banking and auto industries
8. The appointment of a 31-year-old to manage the recreation of the auto companies
9. The exalting of union claims above those of bondholders (violating a 200+ year history of contract law/property rights)
10. The appointment of 34 unvetted “czars� -- creating more than in the Hous e of Romanov between 1762 and 1917!
11. The failure to appoint a Cabinet of tax-paying, competent Americans (reason for the move to the Czar system of administration?)
12. The appointment of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court despite an apparent lack of qualifications and judicial temperament,
13. The dark-of-night passage of “Cap and Trade� legislation (300-page-long addendum inserted at 3AM the morning of the vote in the House)
14. The high pressure tactics to rush through a budget-busting $1.6T takeover of healthcare.
15. Phony “townhall� meetings with a fake cross-section of Americans selling Obamacare on ABC.
16. “Lyingâ€� about budget deficits — projecting 4% GDP growth by year-end. 17. Lyingâ€� about job losses — projecting that if Congress would just ram through the “stimulusâ€� that job losses could be halted at 8% (currently on their way to 10% and rising).
18. “Lyingâ€� about the costs of nationalized healthcare -- (just as when politicians projected Medicare’s cost in 1990 to be $3 billion, its actual cost turned out20in 1990 to $98 billion — 30 times as much)
19. Pretending that new entitlement programs will provide lower costs, better care, no significant tax increases, more competition (as government joins the fray!?) and keeping current private options. Claiming “free� healthcare will make America more competitive is baffling. Everyone knows the above are lies; but no one seems ready to call them out.
20. Forcing the “stimulus� package on states to impinge on “States Rights�
21. Failing to support the freedom-loving citizens in Honduras and Iran (and instead, giving comfort to their dictators) to say nothing of his ineffectiveness with North Korea and anti-Israeli pronouncements.
22. Allocating $4B of “stimulus� funds to ACORN, the voter fraud thugs.
23. Seeking to push through Union Card Check, the so-called “Fairness Doctrine,� and threats to take away 2nd amendment rights (see Eric Holder), etc.
24. Moving the heretofore non-partisan census into the Whitehouse under the direction of Rahm Emanuel.

Whatever one thinks of the results, the process of getting to them shoul d bother all Americans. In the Obama (Mayor Daley?) style of governing, it’s not clear that Congress — who can’t possibly process thoughtfully the blizzard of legislation — really serves any useful purpose other than to provide Politburo-style cover. Not only does Congress no longer debate legislation, but Obama has effectively circumvented its oversight of the executive branch by his appointment of czars.



In contrast to the direction Obama is taking us all, the Economist recently pointed out that 53% of all of the jobs created in the U.S. were created in one state last year: Texas (the most free market of all State economies and the “last best hope� [ha!] for secession?). Meanwhile, in California, -- as a perfect preview to “Obama’s America� -- job losses are already well into double digits, the state faces a $25B budget deficit and is closing down services and considering bankruptcy. I cannot predict what will happen to Obama’s popularity, as people wake up to the size and intractability of the deficits he’s promoting, the unavailability of credit for small businesses, or the increased tax rates on energy and payrolls provoking a continuing loss of jobs as small businesses shed employees due to skyrocketing costs.

Is bad economic news bad for Obama? Sadly, the answer, if one studies the Alinsky formula for bloodless revolution, is “Heck no!� Indeed, high unemployment is necessary for the Obama Redistribution Plan. According to Alinsky, only with high unemployment will people look to the government for help (and then become dependent), allowing government to gain control over the factors of productions. If one considers that the Alinsky manual might be Obama’s “playbook,� one can’t help but want to evaluate how closely it’s being followed.

Thus, in evaluating Obama’s performance, it’s probably worth noting (for the 6-month record) the key elements of the Alinsky formula. Written in 1971 by Chicago Organizer, Saul Alinsky, under the title of Rules for Radicals, this manual for effective change became Young Barack Obama’s “bible.� David Alinsky, son the author said of our new President: “Barack Obama patterned himself after the Saul Alinsky model in everything he has done since arriving in South Chicago.�

Alinsky clearly stated its purpose: “Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the=2 0future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution.�

Note how closely Obama is following the rules for internal revolution, based on Alinsky’s specific instructions: 1. Pursue an “Ideology of Changeâ€� (Alinsky’s phrase for the most effective way to market revolution) 2. Target the banks that serve the steel, auto, and other industries. 3. Start class warfare -- Fuel the anger of what Alinsky calls the “Have-Nots,â€� and the “Have-some-but-want-moresâ€� against the “Haves.â€� 4. Use crises to create fear. 5. Use pollution as a foil to grab power. 6. Set up “jobs programsâ€� to make workers dependent on government. 7. Show supreme self-confidence. 8. Make communication skills your key weapon. 9. Use simple catch phrases and vague slogans (‘Of the Common Welfare, [Nazi takeover of Germany], ‘Bread and Peace,’ [Bolshevik Revolution]) In this context, it’s not hard to imagine that Change & The Audacity of Hope will one day be seen as the battle cry for the Obama revolution. 10. Use deception --“…in war the end justifies almost any mea ns.â€� 11. Remain calm, appealing, likeable while inciting fear, conflict, defeat.
As these steps are being pursued, the press continues to refer to "the Republican recession," so Obama’s popularity remains high. Any who saw tapes of President Bush warning Congress (on two separate occasions) that the market was headed for disaster unless it instituted the very reforms Barney Frank and Chris Dodd pooh-poohed, may be surprised to see the level of “cover� the press is providing this revolution.

As bleak as things look for free markets, I have hope. Why? Just as Bernie Madoff learned that ponzi schemes eventually come to light — Barack Obama may soon learn that you “can’t fool all of the people all of the time.â€� It’s unclear to me how much and how long America will have to pay for its experiment with Obamunism — his fantasy “green jobs,â€� his new taxes, his junk science, his czars, his meddling in the auto and banking industries, his sure-to-be-disastrous Obamacare and the encouragement he’s giving to union bosses, dictators and tyrants the globe over, to say nothing of his "Peace-through-Weaknessâ€� foreign policy. But, at some point, reality will take over, as it always does. I just hope America will have its Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan 20ready to step into the breach when the time comes.


So far, the nervousness of Blue Dog Democrats and their ability to resist some of the wackier directives has been the only thing that has kept Obama from an outright failing grade, in my view. Perhaps, just as the Gingrich Congress rescued Bill Clinton, it may be these so-called Blue Dogs that rescue Obama. If not, it may be important for the survival of the union for government to be forever split between the parties. "

[dorkman53]

Let me get this straight....are you saying you like Obama or don't like Obama?

[collegegolfer]

Let me get this straight....are you saying you like Obama or don't like Obama?

Good question, Dorkman. I'm confused as well. In talking with a golf friend who travels internationally for business, he said the US is way behind most other developed nations in infrastructure type things. Is private enterprise going to improve our infrastructure? Not likely.

[edgey]

Let me get this clear, Larry did vote for Obama, yes?

Edgey

[FreakOfNature]

Let me get this clear, Larry did vote for Obama, yes?

Edgey

Pretty sure he copy/pasted his vote for Obama, yes.

Larry does have something akin to a high school crush on the man... he's always talking about Obama this, Obama that... I'm pretty sure Larry wants to marry Obama so he can officially become a US citizen and remain eligible for his current presidency.



FON

[alangbaker]

Subject: Shocking and True 6-month Evaluation-

One of Bob Oster's CEO friends wrote this. Bob respects him highly.

I suggest you look up "fallacy of appeal to authority".

[Not a hacker]

Good question, Dorkman. I'm confused as well. In talking with a golf friend who travels internationally for business, he said the US is way behind most other developed nations in infrastructure type things. Is private enterprise going to improve our infrastructure? Not likely.

That doesn't sound good. Australia has long been known for being 20 years behind America. If you call public transport, roads and health 'infrastructure type things' we are probably 20 years behind most second world countries.

[dorkman53]

That doesn't sound good. Australia has long been known for being 20 years behind America. If you call public transport, roads and health 'infrastructure type things' we are probably 20 years behind most second world countries.

That's all right. China is 30 or 40 years behind, so at least you aren't trailing them.

[Phana24JG]

Subject: Shocking and True 6-month Evaluation-

One of Bob Oster's CEO friends wrote this. Bob respects him highly. (For those on this list who don't know Bob: he was CFO of Oracle when it went public, also CFO of Syntex, and holds a Ph.D. in economics from Berkeley. Since 1987, he has been an angel investor and private VC. He is on the Board of Overseers at the Hoover Institution.)




My 6 Month Evaluation of the Obama Presidency


In November 2008, I wrote my evaluation of the Obama candidacy and what it might mean to America. I filed this away, but sent it to family members and a few close friends and associates just so I’d be accountable for my real time observations. It’s now been 6 months since Obama’s inauguration. (In the business world, this is typically when a first job review would occur; so, I made a note to myself to revisit his performance on the 6-month anniversary.) Thus, I now commit to filing my mid-year evaluation of our new President. As well, I’ve put in the file (but not forwarded to anyone) a separate “background checkâ€� — the one the press should’ve done on the Obama candidacy prior to presenting him to the American public — in case this is ever of relevance as things unfold.

As concerned as I was by Obama’s candidacy when I wrote out my November pre-election reservations, truth be known, I didn’t much like McCain/Palin either. At the time, I still had hopes that Obama might “govern from the center.â€� Six months into it, however, I can say that he’s been considerably worse than my worst fears. Thus, I’m updating my evaluation — this time with the ferve nt hope that by the year-end I can be genuinely more optimistic.


I’ve concluded that not only was Barack Obama too inexperienced to be President, but he also appears to be incompetent as an executive, more-than-just-politician-level-dishonest and a bit of a narcissist (if not a fascist). He seems to have little understanding of American history, her dreams, or her tremendous potential for risk-taking, self-correction and innovation. He and Michelle have turned out to be quintessential Ivy League “Oppression Studies majors� with (carefully concealed) “attitudes.� Obama seems, above all, to be a Community Organizer with shakedown credentials and extraordinary speaking ability. All of this should have been clear -- had we simply done serious background checks.


(The following 4 items, at least, should have been clear to voters:




1. His surrogate father figure was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed Communist. 2. Barack served as a committed trainer for Community Activist and Marxist, Saul Alinsky.
3. He sat for nearly 2 decades at the feet of Jeremiah Wright, an angry, anti-American “Black Liberation Theologist�.

4. His first autobiography, Dreams=2 0from My Father, was almost certainly ghost-written by William Ayers, a Vietnam-era domestic terrorist. [This last assertion has now been supported by careful analysis of syntax, spelling and common errors].) If these unusual threads (standing alone) are discounted to the point of not being disqualifiers, those evaluating Barack Obama might have considered that he’d never:


1. held a job in the private sector
2. managed a payroll
3. led a turnaround
4. held any sort of executive position.




But, none of this mattered in the fall of 2008. After 6 months, I’m left wondering if power brokers on the Far Left of American politics aren’t pinching themselves at their success in creating a fictitious character the press ushered to market in a Bush-weary and "politically correct" America. In his second autobiography, The Audacity of Hope, Obama recognizes the advantage of his tabula rasa “creation� when he writes, “I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.�

And, project we did! Thus, the former Barry Soetoro of Honolulu, Jakarta, Mombasa, Occidental, Columbia, Harvard and the mean streets of Chicago moved at light speed from being the first-term senator nobody had ever heard of to President of the United States. In the process, despite numerous efforts, no one has yet seen his birth certificate, his college transcripts, his application to Occidental (likely as a “foreign student�?), or the passport he used to travel in 1981 to Pakistan with buddy Wahid Hamid (likely an Indonesian one?). For some reason, the Obama campaign has, so far, spent $3/4 million keeping these records out of public view. So, it’s easy to wonder -- if they supported Obama’s putative CV -- why not make them available and put to rest all suspicions about provenance, training and politics?

My growing hunch is that there’s virtually no paper trail because the Obama biography has been created largely out of whole cloth. There -- I’ve said what increasing numbers of people must be thinking, but are afraid to voice. Whether or not Obama is more than a cleverly-marketed fiction, and whatever one thinks of his history, one thing is clear. He finally does have a record to evaluate. And, it’s not a confidence-inspiring one from my standpoint.

At best, Obama is an attractive symbol for America and a compelling communicator; but he’s
1. Not an executive. He’s shown an utter inability to focus, to set priorities and to consider 2nd and 3rd order or long-term consequences to his actions. Lack of focus on priorities is fatal as a CEO; (but, maybe less so for a political leader?) 2. Not a steward or fiduciary for America. Obama clearly does not see his primary job as one of overseeing the security and well-being of America during his tenure as its chief executive. He’s not only unwilling to stand up for America, but he also regularly seems to go out of his way to apologize for her history. This makes it apparent that he believes his most important job is to change America into what he and Michelle think it should have been had we not suffered the Founders’ flawed vision.
At worst, Obama’s aims seem truly radical (if stealth); his methods pure Alinsky; and his success derivative of obfuscating the truth, creating crises, and rushing changes into law that no one can possibly absorb under artificial deadlines — all aimed at limiting private property rights, changing the Constitution and forever altering our free market system?

Larry, you are giving Imam B. Hussein Obama entirely too much credit. This candy-ass socialist will make Jimmy Carter look like a beacon of competence.

[Phana24JG]

Good question, Dorkman. I'm confused as well. In talking with a golf friend who travels internationally for business, he said the US is way behind most other developed nations in infrastructure type things. Is private enterprise going to improve our infrastructure? Not likely.

Your friend has a point, but I suspect he was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. If you analyze the spending side of the FedGov budget over the past 40 years, you will see a dramatic shift in expenditures from infrastructure, and those other essential functions of govt (defense, border patrol, federal courts and prisons), to transfer payments and various income transfer schemes, socialist "entitlements," and other social engineering, the vast majority of which is fraught wirh waste and abuse.

[collegegolfer]

Your friend has a point, but I suspect he was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. If you analyze the spending side of the FedGov budget over the past 40 years, you will see a dramatic shift in expenditures from infrastructure, and those other essential functions of govt (defense, border patrol, federal courts and prisons), to transfer payments and various income transfer schemes, socialist "entitlements," and other social engineering, the vast majority of which is fraught wirh waste and abuse.

I don't disagree with that side. But is it really the prez's fault? Larry seems to know so much about politics but forgets the idea of checks and balances. The prez is one cog in a wheel. Same thing for the previous prez. Thought he was out there a bit but Congress has more influence on what happens than the prez.

[Phana24JG]

I don't disagree with that side. But is it really the prez's fault? Larry seems to know so much about politics but forgets the idea of checks and balances. The prez is one cog in a wheel. Same thing for the previous prez. Thought he was out there a bit but Congress has more influence on what happens than the prez.

CG, no reasonably objective person will disagree that Congress is ultimately responsible for spending decisions. However, history has taught us that Presidents are responsible for creating these spending schemes, selling them to the current Congress, which tends to be quite complaint, since the real bill for these public giveaways will not come due for decades.

After a few years, these programs reach the status of entitlement. We now a have a second generation of people who believe their constitutional right's include access to the wallets of anyone who makes a dollar more than they do.

[Larryrsf]

Larry, you are giving Imam B. Hussein Obama entirely too much credit. This candy-ass socialist will make Jimmy Carter look like a beacon of competence.

I think Obama is a total narcissist. He cares ONLY about himself and since he was mentored by a Communist, very likely he ingrained radical social ideas. I really believe he would destroy this country's economy while trying to "improve" it in the image of the radical ideas that have never worked anywhere.

Thank goodness many smart folks in congress, both parties, now understand him. They know what he would do, they see the radicals he has surrounded himself with-- and they see his personal limitations. I doubt he will get anything at all in future. The TARP bills were horrible abominations that were pushed through while congress was still in shock after the election. Now they have heard from their constituents--and only the Black Caucus and a few others will vote with him. I hope they repeal much of what was passed--and put the money back in the treasury (or just refuse to borrow it from China).

We NEED the government to get out of the way of free enterprise--and allow entrepreneurs to create or expand businesses that will hire smart Americans. We need government to tell trial lawyers and big labor to SIT DOWN, that what they want would destroy progress for years. NOBODY is going to invest in business when they see potential for lawsuits to take it all-- NOBODY is going to invest in business saddled by big labor-- like the car industry.

Larry

[Phana24JG]

I think Obama is a total narcissist. He cares ONLY about himself and since he was mentored by a Communist, very likely he ingrained radical social ideas. I really believe he would destroy this country's economy while trying to "improve" it in the image of the radical ideas that have never worked anywhere.

Thank goodness many smart folks in congress, both parties, now understand him. They know what he would do, they see the radicals he has surrounded himself with-- and they see his personal limitations. I doubt he will get anything at all in future. The TARP bills were horrible abominations that were pushed through while congress was still in shock after the election. Now they have heard from their constituents--and only the Black Caucus and a few others will vote with him. I hope they repeal much of what was passed--and put the money back in the treasury (or just refuse to borrow it from China).

We NEED the government to get out of the way of free enterprise--and allow entrepreneurs to create or expand businesses that will hire smart Americans. We need government to tell trial lawyers and big labor to SIT DOWN, that what they want would destroy progress for years. NOBODY is going to invest in business when they see potential for lawsuits to take it all-- NOBODY is going to invest in business saddled by big labor-- like the car industry.

Larry

Larry, I do not totally disagree with your assessment of B. Hussein Obama. However, you fail to place appropriate blame for the original TARP bill where it belongs, with the previous President and Congress. While I salute George Bush for his stance against radical Islam, and his foreign/military policy in general, he was almost as bad a B. Hussein Obama on the domestic front. Bush made Clinton look like fiscal conservative, and the Republicans in both houses of Congress were more than happy to join in playing Santa Claus.

However, it is nice to have a fellow right wing Neanderthal around.

[Not a hacker]

Your friend has a point, but I suspect he was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. If you analyze the spending side of the FedGov budget over the past 40 years, you will see a dramatic shift in expenditures from infrastructure, and those other essential functions of govt (defense, border patrol, federal courts and prisons), to transfer payments and various income transfer schemes, socialist "entitlements," and other social engineering, the vast majority of which is fraught wirh waste and abuse.

Nice tirade, but you forgot to mention the abolition of slavery as one of the socialist entitlements.

[Phana24JG]

Originally Posted by Phana24JG
Your friend has a point, but I suspect he was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. If you analyze the spending side of the FedGov budget over the past 40 years, you will see a dramatic shift in expenditures from infrastructure, and those other essential functions of govt (defense, border patrol, federal courts and prisons), to transfer payments and various income transfer schemes, socialist "entitlements," and other social engineering, the vast majority of which is fraught wirh waste and abuse.

Nice tirade, but you forgot to mention the abolition of slavery as one of the socialist entitlements.

Slavery was abolished over the past 40 years? Damn, perhaps if my parents had allowed me to attend a government school, I would have picked up on that info. All this time I was operating under the delusion that slavery had ended in the latter part of the 19th century.

[poe4soul]

Larry,

You're a lying vanity capper turned sandbagger. Why should we believe anything you post here? Until you admit the you 1) never were a 6 capper and 2) admit that you are currently a sandbagger and finally 3) apologize to GR for these transgressions you should STFU.

Leave it to someone who preaches morals and values to behave this way. Typical. You should run for congress; you seem to have the right character for it.

[Phana24JG]

Larry,

You're a lying vanity capper turned sandbagger. Why should we believe anything you post here? Until you admit the you 1) never were a 6 capper and 2) admit that you are currently a sandbagger and finally 3) apologize to GR for these transgressions you should STFU.

Leave it to someone who preaches morals and values to behave this way. Typical. You should run for congress; you seem to have the right character for it.

I do not pretend to understand all the minutia of Larry's rather dynamic handicap, one advantage of being a newbie is that you can always plead ignorance. However, Larry's keen insight into the character of B. Hussein Obama, his various commissars and his allies in the Politburo atone for any sins he may have committed on GR. I would gladly offer to be his campaign manager, but since he resides in Mexifornia and I no habla espanol, my services would probably be insufficient.

[Larryrsf]

Larry,

You're a lying vanity capper turned sandbagger. Why should we believe anything you post here? Until you admit the you 1) never were a 6 capper and 2) admit that you are currently a sandbagger and finally 3) apologize to GR for these transgressions you should STFU.

Leave it to someone who preaches morals and values to behave this way. Typical. You should run for congress; you seem to have the right character for it.

At least half of all American amateurs have never had a formal handicap. Most golfers don't post scores--and in fact most don't even keep a scorecard. So keep this trivia in perspective. If you EVER lose money to me based on my misrepresentation of my ability, then you have a legitimate gripe. Otherwise, what or whether I once posted is simply irrelevant and none of your business. Butt out.

Get a life. Golf is just another pass-time game like tennis, horseshoes, or darts. Wise up.

Larry

[alangbaker]

At least half of all American amateurs have never had a formal handicap. Most golfers don't post scores--and in fact most don't even keep a scorecard. So keep this trivia in perspective. If you EVER lose money to me based on my misrepresentation of my ability, then you have a legitimate gripe. Otherwise, what or whether I once posted is simply irrelevant and none of your business. Butt out.

You made it people's business, Larry; when you made your handicap to give credence to your claims.

Knowing that you lied about that tells everyone just how little it takes for you to feel free to do so.

Get a life. Golf is just another pass-time game like tennis, horseshoes, or darts. Wise up.

And yet, you can't even be truthful about the fact that you're just not very good at this "pass-time [sic] game".

It makes me wonder how much more likely are you to lie about things you claim are truly important...

[Larryrsf]

Larry, I do not totally disagree with your assessment of B. Hussein Obama. However, you fail to place appropriate blame for the original TARP bill where it belongs, with the previous President and Congress. While I salute George Bush for his stance against radical Islam, and his foreign/military policy in general, he was almost as bad a B. Hussein Obama on the domestic front. Bush made Clinton look like fiscal conservative, and the Republicans in both houses of Congress were more than happy to join in playing Santa Claus.

However, it is nice to have a fellow right wing Neanderthal around.

There are several youtube videos of GW Bush and McCain giving strong speeches against the threat of the mortgage loan debacle. They saw it coming but could NOT stop the democrats in congress after 2006... when Barney Frank, Dodd, Schumer, Maxine Watters, and others wanted to GIVE big loans to people who could not pay them back. They did that in turn for their votes in 2008-- and it worked! They pandered to the "have nots" by creating whole packages of bogus loans that were then sold around the world--and nearly brought down the banking systems of a dozen countries. But our liberals did it-- and then Senator Obama got the largest campaign contributions from Fanny and Freddy- Obama was in on it--McCain and Bush and most congress Republicans were against it

History is very clear on this. Simply Google "Role of Maxine Watters in Mortgage loan scandal" etc. etc.

Our messed up Mainstream media seems determined NOT to honestly report what happened--and are now trying to obsfucate the facts.

Larry

[poe4soul]

I wasn't talking about "most americans". I was referring to the bullshiat that spews from your mouth.

As I stated, admit that you 1) never were a 6 capper and 2) admit that you are currently a sandbagger and finally 3) apologize to GR for these transgressions you should STFU.

You're a fraud and a lier.

[alangbaker]

There are several youtube videos of GW Bush and McCain giving strong speeches against the threat of the mortgage loan debacle.

Really? Let's see a link.

They saw it coming but could NOT stop the democrats in congress after 2006... when Barney Frank, Dodd, Schumer, Maxine Watters, and others wanted to GIVE big loans to people who could not pay them back.

Really? The president doesn't have veto power anymore?

You're lying about this just as you lie about the little things.

[lorenzoinoc]

I wasn't talking about "most americans". I was referring to the bullshiat that spews from your mouth.

As I stated, admit that you 1) never were a 6 capper and 2) admit that you are currently a sandbagger and finally 3) apologize to GR for these transgressions you should STFU.

You're a fraud and a lier.

Lary, I have a solution to this. I've drafted a document for you to sign which will bring you back into the good graces of the other members. Here it is:

DECLARATION


Made as of September 9, 2009

I, Larry Whitaker, do hereby certify that I am full of sh.it.




_________________
Lary Whitaker

If you can sign and post in the form of an attachment, I think it might settle things down for you a bit.

[Phana24JG]

There are several youtube videos of GW Bush and McCain giving strong speeches against the threat of the mortgage loan debacle. They saw it coming but could NOT stop the democrats in congress after 2006... when Barney Frank, Dodd, Schumer, Maxine Watters, and others wanted to GIVE big loans to people who could not pay them back. They did that in turn for their votes in 2008-- and it worked! They pandered to the "have nots" by creating whole packages of bogus loans that were then sold around the world--and nearly brought down the banking systems of a dozen countries. But our liberals did it-- and then Senator Obama got the largest campaign contributions from Fanny and Freddy- Obama was in on it--McCain and Bush and most congress Republicans were against it

History is very clear on this. Simply Google "Role of Maxine Watters in Mortgage loan scandal" etc. etc.

Our messed up Mainstream media seems determined NOT to honestly report what happened--and are now trying to obsfucate the facts.

Larry

Larry, I am on your side. Card-carrying NRA member, enrolled in the Conservative Party (NY State), religiously listen to the Maha Rushie, Sean, and Glenn when I can, and do not believe a word the state-run media says. However, much as I admire the way Bush taught the radical Muznutters a lesson, he was very disappointing on the domestic agenda. He allowed Teddy (Splash) Kennedy to write the NCLB bill, promoted and signed the Medicare Part D scam, and signed the Mc-Cain-Feingold diktat into law.

The first TARP bill was written by Bush's SecTreas Paulsen, and was supported by both McCain and Hussein Obama. The difference between conservatives is that when our guys act up, we call them on it (see Foley, Cunningham, Gingrich). Since liberals have no standards, they can defend their pedophiles, tax cheats, and felons (see Clinton, Studds, Frank, Kennedy, Reynolds, Rangel, Feinstein, Jefferson...I could type all fricking day) without any conscious to bother them.

I have to laugh when you mention Maxine Waters. That biatch proves that evolution can go both ways.

[Larryrsf]

Larry, I am on your side. Card-carrying NRA member, enrolled in the Conservative Party (NY State), religiously listen to the Maha Rushie, Sean, and Glenn when I can, and do not believe a word the state-run media says. However, much as I admire the way Bush taught the radical Muznutters a lesson, he was very disappointing on the domestic agenda. He allowed Teddy (Splash) Kennedy to write the NCLB bill, promoted and signed the Medicare Part D scam, and signed the Mc-Cain-Feingold diktat into law.

The first TARP bill was written by Bush's SecTreas Paulsen, and was supported by both McCain and Hussein Obama. The difference between conservatives is that when our guys act up, we call them on it (see Foley, Cunningham, Gingrich). Since liberals have no standards, they can defend their pedophiles, tax cheats, and felons (see Clinton, Studds, Frank, Kennedy, Reynolds, Rangel, Feinstein, Jefferson...I could type all fricking day) without any conscious to bother them.

I have to laugh when you mention Maxine Waters. That biatch proves that evolution can go both ways.

Thanks. Iets keep it in perspective. I doubt many of those posting outrage over handicaps, etc. even belong to a club or have a legitimate handicap. Alan Baker is a sad case, he can't afford to join a club--he sits alone in a Canada apartment, keyboarding stuff into a dozen boards every day--ALL day. Likely needs a LOT of counseling.

This is meaningless trivia...

Obama approval down in the 30s now--and 40%+ STRONGLY disapprove of his actions. Congress will be running strongly against him in to keep their seats. Several are predicting a 100+ seat loss for the democrats, more than in 1994. Could be a landslide of historic proportions. Who will be our next speaker?

Larry

[alangbaker]

Thanks. Iets keep it in perspective. I doubt many of those posting outrage over handicaps, etc. even belong to a club or have a legitimate handicap. Alan Baker is a sad case, he can't afford to join a club--he sits alone in a Canada apartment, keyboarding stuff into a dozen boards every day--ALL day. Likely needs a LOT of counseling.

You're lucky I'm such a peaceable and forgiving fellow...

As for "legitimate handicaps":

My scoring record.

And I've played with people you know of (even if you've not met them) who will attest to my ability matching that record.

This is meaningless trivia...

Now that it's been revealed you were lying, it's "meaningless trivia".

I guess that explains why you've run away from your ridiculous attempt to justify your scoring record, huh?

LOL

Obama approval down in the 30s now--and 40%+ STRONGLY disapprove of his actions. Congress will be running strongly against him in to keep their seats. Several are predicting a 100+ seat loss for the democrats, more than in 1994. Could be a landslide of historic proportions. Who will be our next speaker?

Tell us: will this be as accurate as your other recent election predictions? You're 0 for 3 now, aren't you?

LOL

[collegegolfer]

I still can't believe the uproar conservatives had about his speech to students today. Ridiculous. Granted if liberals have the same uproar about a benign republican speech (and I'm sure they have) they are just as ridiculous. What's wrong with people anyway? Secondly, why do so many people think Democracy and Capitalism are the same thing? Ridiculous.

[dorkman53]

I still can't believe the uproar conservatives had about his speech to students today. Ridiculous. Granted if liberals have the same uproar about a benign republican speech (and I'm sure they have) they are just as ridiculous. What's wrong with people anyway? Secondly, why do so many people think Democracy and Capitalism are the same thing? Ridiculous.

What got the right wingers up in arms was some accompanying materials sent out by the Department of Education. There were questions like, "What can I do to help President Obama?" When people have lost confidence in the honesty and reliability of someone in public, everything they do is interpreted in the most sinister and paranoid manner. This isn't unique to politics. I've seen this in the occupational arena as well. When an employee doesn't think the administration/boss is treating them fairly, they interpret every action as though there is a malignant motivation.
It's simply that Obama isn't trusted by a certain segment of the population, in contrast to those who worship him as a heroic figure. To the former, he can do no right. To the latter, he can do no wrong. Neither extreme view is correct.

Obviously, since the uproar took place BEFORE he gave the speech, it gave him time to remove anything that could conceivably be interpreted as partisan, so his supporters could say, "See, there was nothing bad in there; you're all crazy."

By the way, George H.W. Bush gave a similar speech, similarly innocuous, in 1991. The Washington Post jumped all over him for using taxpayer money to do a partisan photo-op. Hypocrisy in the media knows no bounds.

[collegegolfer]

What got the right wingers up in arms was some accompanying materials sent out by the Department of Education. There were questions like, "What can I do to help President Obama?" When people have lost confidence in the honesty and reliability of someone in public, everything they do is interpreted in the most sinister and paranoid manner. This isn't unique to politics. I've seen this in the occupational arena as well. When an employee doesn't think the administration/boss is treating them fairly, they interpret every action as though there is a malignant motivation.
It's simply that Obama isn't trusted by a certain segment of the population, in contrast to those who worship him as a heroic figure. To the former, he can do no right. To the latter, he can do no wrong. Neither extreme view is correct.

Obviously, since the uproar took place BEFORE he gave the speech, it gave him time to remove anything that could conceivably be interpreted as partisan, so his supporters could say, "See, there was nothing bad in there; you're all crazy."

By the way, George H.W. Bush gave a similar speech, similarly innocuous, in 1991. The Washington Post jumped all over him for using taxpayer money to do a partisan photo-op. Hypocrisy in the media knows no bounds.

Exactly. Ridiculous.

[Not a hacker]

Hey Poe,

I've gotta pull you up on your personal attacks on Lary. No way is Lary is a sandbagger off a 20 cap. Have you seen his swing vids? He'd have to get out into 36 terrotory before he could sandbag anyone. The rest was spot on.

And congrats on getting the ball rolling for Lary to launch into another tirade against Alan. I love Lary's descriptions of Alan, probably the funniest stuff on this forum (nothing personal against you Alan, i just love watching a grown man's sanity unravel on line). Gold.

[Kiwi Player]

Hey Poe,

I've gotta pull you up on your personal attacks on Lary. No way is Lary is a sandbagger off a 20 cap. Have you seen his swing vids? He'd have to get out into 36 terrotory before he could sandbag anyone. The rest was spot on.

And congrats on getting the ball rolling for Lary to launch into another tirade against Alan. I love Lary's descriptions of Alan, probably the funniest stuff on this forum (nothing personal against you Alan, i just love watching a grown man's sanity unravel on line). Gold.

I feel sorry for Alan though. Sitting all alone in his apartment in Canada, unemployed & unable to afford to join a golf club. The highlight of his day is when Larryrsf posts so that Alan can call BS. If Larry doesn't post for a few days it must be hell for Alan.

[poe4soul]

Hey Poe,

I've gotta pull you up on your personal attacks on Lary. No way is Lary is a sandbagger off a 20 cap. Have you seen his swing vids? He'd have to get out into 36 terrotory before he could sandbag anyone. The rest was spot on.

And congrats on getting the ball rolling for Lary to launch into another tirade against Alan. I love Lary's descriptions of Alan, probably the funniest stuff on this forum (nothing personal against you Alan, i just love watching a grown man's sanity unravel on line). Gold.

Probably right.

I don't live far from Alan. I may have to meet him half way and tee it up with him. I imagine we would probably have an enjoyable round. On the flip side, I've been to So Cal a few times this last year and will be down there this winter but I have a feeling that if I teed it up with Lorry I would want to punch him in the mouth before the round is over. Then again he might be more pleasant in person. I'm sure he's not as assertive. Then again he's retired and seems to play golf by himself. Maybe he's as much of an arse in person.

[Horseballs]

Probably right.

I don't live far from Alan. I may have to meet him half way and tee it up with him. I imagine we would probably have an enjoyable round. On the flip side, I've been to So Cal a few times this last year and will be down there this winter but I have a feeling that if I teed it up with Lorry I would want to punch him in the mouth before the round is over. Then again he might be more pleasant in person. I'm sure he's not as assertive. Then again he's retired and seems to play golf by himself. Maybe he's as much of an arse in person.

If current trends hold, Larwy will be firmly entrenched in his bunker, making final edits to his Manifesto by early December. No golf for Wahwy.

[alangbaker]

I feel sorry for Alan though. Sitting all alone in his apartment in Canada, unemployed & unable to afford to join a golf club. The highlight of his day is when Larryrsf posts so that Alan can call BS. If Larry doesn't post for a few days it must be hell for Alan.

Oh... ...don't worry about me. I'll muddle through somehow...

...with golf at least once a week all summer, hockey, skiing, sailing...

Somehow, I'll survive.

[alangbaker]

Probably right.

I don't live far from Alan. I may have to meet him half way and tee it up with him. I imagine we would probably have an enjoyable round. On the flip side, I've been to So Cal a few times this last year and will be down there this winter but I have a feeling that if I teed it up with Lorry I would want to punch him in the mouth before the round is over. Then again he might be more pleasant in person. I'm sure he's not as assertive. Then again he's retired and seems to play golf by himself. Maybe he's as much of an arse in person.

If you're ever up this way, look me up!

Alan

[poe4soul]

I'm up that way a couple of times a year. I used to work in Bellingham. I've spent many hours at the sumas border crossing.

Likewise, if you ever get the itch to play chamers again you can count me in.

[alangbaker]

I'm up that way a couple of times a year. I used to work in Bellingham. I've spent many hours at the sumas border crossing.

Likewise, if you ever get the itch to play chamers again you can count me in.

Cool. Will do.

[ObamaFan]

Oh... ...don't worry about me. Somehow, I'll survive.

By living off of welfare