The real key to a solid swing

[famousdavis]

I will provide this key free of charge. The real key to a solid swing is to make an athletic move by turning your shoulders, but more importantly, shifting your weight onto your right foot during the backswing. This move creates power and enables you to get the club on the proper swing plane. I think most average players don't make this move because they feel out of control. The truth is, when you keep your head and legs stiff and only turn your shoulders you compensate by doing awkward moves with your hands and you are completely out of control.

A good pivot onto the right foot creates a natural swing with a lot of power. After you pivot, the key to the downswing is to turn, not slide, and keep your head behind the ball. This creates a finish with the club wrapped around your body instead of up and out. Phil Mickelson does this to the extreme. He has the biggest weight shift I've ever seen. He also hits it a long way. He used to play Ping Eye 2 irons by the way and was negotiating with them before he signed a deal with Callaway. He wanted to play the Eye 2 and they wanted him to play their current line. Just another example of why you should all play Ping Eye 2 irons. I do, and I'm the best iron player I've met. It's nice to meet yourself and sign your own autograph.

[Kiwi Player]

I will provide this key free of charge. The real key to a solid swing is to make an athletic move by turning your shoulders, but more importantly, shifting your weight onto your right foot during the backswing. This move creates power and enables you to get the club on the proper swing plane. I think most average players don't make this move because they feel out of control. The truth is, when you keep your head and legs stiff and only turn your shoulders you compensate by doing awkward moves with your hands and you are completely out of control.

A good pivot onto the right foot creates a natural swing with a lot of power. After you pivot, the key to the downswing is to turn, not slide, and keep your head behind the ball. This creates a finish with the club wrapped around your body instead of up and out. Phil Mickelson does this to the extreme. He has the biggest weight shift I've ever seen. He also hits it a long way. He used to play Ping Eye 2 irons by the way and was negotiating with them before he signed a deal with Callaway. He wanted to play the Eye 2 and they wanted him to play their current line. Just another example of why you should all play Ping Eye 2 irons. I do, and I'm the best iron player I've met. It's nice to meet yourself and sign your own autograph.

This all sounds good to me. I just need Larryrsf to ratify it and I will be convinced.

[oldplayer]

I will provide this key free of charge. The real key to a solid swing is to make an athletic move by turning your shoulders, but more importantly, shifting your weight onto your right foot during the backswing. This move creates power and enables you to get the club on the proper swing plane. I think most average players don't make this move because they feel out of control. The truth is, when you keep your head and legs stiff and only turn your shoulders you compensate by doing awkward moves with your hands and you are completely out of control.

A good pivot onto the right foot creates a natural swing with a lot of power. After you pivot, the key to the downswing is to turn, not slide, and keep your head behind the ball. This creates a finish with the club wrapped around your body instead of up and out. Phil Mickelson does this to the extreme. He has the biggest weight shift I've ever seen. He also hits it a long way. He used to play Ping Eye 2 irons by the way and was negotiating with them before he signed a deal with Callaway. He wanted to play the Eye 2 and they wanted him to play their current line. Just another example of why you should all play Ping Eye 2 irons. I do, and I'm the best iron player I've met. It's nice to meet yourself and sign your own autograph.

One door closes, another opens.
Just as our resident swing guru, the much maligned Larryrsf, has stoped posting his diatribes on the swing, a new contender for the position has appeared.
Just one small piece of advice Famous. If you want to follow in Larrys footsteps the above underlined phrase should instead read ....99% of amateurs.

[The Purist]

So, I'm guessing your not a fan of stack and tilt. Sorry Pingman.

Phil has been out driving Tiger lately. I think there might be something to what FD says about making a big weight shift for power...Especially when you have a lot of weight to shift...even if it is mostly in your tits.

[noshuz]

So, I'm guessing your not a fan of stack and tilt. Sorry Pingman.

Phil has been out driving Tiger lately. I think there might be something to what FD says about making a big weight shift for power...Especially when you have a lot of weight to shift...even if it is mostly in your tits.

I'm thinkin the increased centrifical force from slingin those manboobz around gives him at least an extra 15 yards

[12sandwich]

I'm thinkin the increased centrifical force from slingin those manboobz around gives him at least an extra 15 yards

I thought his latest coach had him in a training bra?

[noshuz]

I thought his latest coach had him in a training bra?

Oh man! It's hard sitting Here at work and suppressing the laughter!!

[SoonerBS]

So, what I am getting from all of this is that we need to grow some man-boobs in order to be successful at swinging the golf club. I think I'll pass . . . . those wouldn't look good in my tight fitting cold weather Under Armor shirt I wear for intimidating factors on the tee box . . . .

[Mizuno>Ping]

I'm thinkin the increased centrifical force from slingin those manboobz around gives him at least an extra 15 yards

Do you think his wife squeezes them during sex?

[Mizuno>Ping]

I will provide this key free of charge. The real key to a solid swing is to make an athletic move by turning your shoulders, but more importantly, shifting your weight onto your right foot during the backswing. This move creates power and enables you to get the club on the proper swing plane. I think most average players don't make this move because they feel out of control. The truth is, when you keep your head and legs stiff and only turn your shoulders you compensate by doing awkward moves with your hands and you are completely out of control.

A good pivot onto the right foot creates a natural swing with a lot of power. After you pivot, the key to the downswing is to turn, not slide, and keep your head behind the ball. This creates a finish with the club wrapped around your body instead of up and out. Phil Mickelson does this to the extreme. He has the biggest weight shift I've ever seen. He also hits it a long way. He used to play Ping Eye 2 irons by the way and was negotiating with them before he signed a deal with Callaway. He wanted to play the Eye 2 and they wanted him to play their current line. Just another example of why you should all play Ping Eye 2 irons. I do, and I'm the best iron player I've met. It's nice to meet yourself and sign your own autograph.

As a LarryRSF follower, I am obliged to say that 99% of the 2 paragraphs are false.

A real power move is 'swinging centrifugally', while improving distance is only possible through the use of a 'ultralightweight graphite shaft with L flex', not to mention 'firing your hips'.

Take it from the man who is not only lethal with his sand wedges, but also HITS 99.9% OF FAIRWAYS.

[famousdavis]

I'm thinkin the increased centrifical force from slingin those manboobz around gives him at least an extra 15 yards

I tried to provide some expert advice on how to hit the ball farther and all I get in return are comments about manboobs. I have tried to be a gentleman on this forum and I expect the same in return. In the future I expect to see a little more class.

[noshuz]

I tried to provide some expert advice on how to hit the ball farther and all I get in return are comments about manboobs. I have tried to be a gentleman on this forum and I expect the same in return. In the future I expect to see a little more class.

Don't you think you've had enough class from the 7 years you spent in school FD?

[edgey]

I tried to provide some expert advice on how to hit the ball farther and all I get in return are comments about manboobs. I have tried to be a gentleman on this forum and I expect the same in return. In the future I expect to see a little more class.

I totaly agree with you FD. As i am sure you have spotted the most uncouth, classless swine here are Americans. Obviously as an Englishman i have class dripping from every pore and as such i am always a consumate Gentleman.

Your welcome

Edgey

[SoonerBS]

I tried to provide some expert advice on how to hit the ball farther and all I get in return are comments about manboobs. I have tried to be a gentleman on this forum and I expect the same in return. In the future I expect to see a little more class.

On the contrary, we did you a favor. You see, we know that you are full of crap and that is why you would post a thread dealing with telling us how to swing a golf club. We did you a favor by practicing an age old deed of changing the subject of your thread. A thread on GR is not blessed unless the subject has been changed at least once. So, get use to it, newbie . . . . .

If you want charm and etiquette, then go here: http://www.etiquette-network.com/

You're welcome.

[12sandwich]

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I will provide this key free of charge. The real key to a solid swing is to make an athletic move by turning your shoulders, but more importantly, shifting your weight onto your right foot during the backswing. This move creates power and enables you to get the club on the proper swing plane. I think most average players don't make this move because they feel out of control. The truth is, when you keep your head and legs stiff and only turn your shoulders you compensate by doing awkward moves with your hands and you are completely out of control.

I agree with most of the first paragragh,for hitting a nice draw, maybe throw in moving your hips and @ss. The second one I had some problems with. Better players put in there bag on certain shots, learning to keep there legs or lower body still, so as to hit tighter fairways, or a sometimes more accurate shot, sacrificying a few yards. Phil has some fairly large mammary glands, he cant help that.

[noshuz]

I totaly agree with you FD. As i am sure you have spotted the most uncouth, classless swine here are Americans. Obviously as an Englishman i have class dripping from every pore and as such i am always a consumate Gentleman.

Your welcome

Edgey

I'm feeling a little queezy all of a sudden......

[edgey]

I'm feeling a little queezy all of a sudden......

Yes, the truth does that sometimes

Edgey

[SoonerBS]

Yes, the truth does that sometimes

Edgey

So does having too much gas . . . . .

[noshuz]

So, what I am getting from all of this is that we need to grow some man-boobs in order to be successful at swinging the golf club. I think I'll pass . . . . those wouldn't look good in my tight fitting cold weather Under Armor shirt I wear for intimidating factors on the tee box . . . .

I'm thinkin' a nice set of manboobz and a tube top would intimadate the bageezus out of anyone.....

[lorenzoinoc]

I tried to provide some expert advice on how to hit the ball farther and all I get in return are comments about manboobs. I have tried to be a gentleman on this forum and I expect the same in return. In the future I expect to see a little more class.

Ok, then let me give it a shot.

You don't necessarily have to grow real tits. You could steal your mom's bra and toss a couple of tennis balls into each cup. It might take a little tinkering but see if you can do some research on this for us.

If this makes you uncomfortable, you could always have printed on the front of the shirt: "These aren't real tits".

Looking forward to hearing how it goes. A video would be even better. Try shooting a 68 with tennis ball tits.

[Not a hacker]

I've actually read somewhere that in his early days Tiger used to have a set of Ping eye 2s. But when he got big enough to hit golf shots he upgraded to GFF, and has basically used them ever since, just with different labels stamped on them.

[famousdavis]

I've actually read somewhere that in his early days Tiger used to have a set of Ping eye 2s. But when he got big enough to hit golf shots he upgraded to GFF, and has basically used them ever since, just with different labels stamped on them.

He switched from the Ping Eye 2 irons to the Mizuno MP-29 irons when he was 18 years old. Shortly after turning pro he went to Titleist blades. I don't think it really matters what he plays now because I'm sure it was customized for him only.

Like I said before, as long as you've got the right shaft in the iron and it is pleasing to your eye I don't think what iron you play is going to have much effect on score. I've played many different irons over the years and there has never been a difference in score. I used to play with a guy who was in his late fifties, 3 handicap and played the Callaway x-12 irons with the Memphis 10 shaft. He hit some amazing shots with those clubs and was hard to beat. He let his ego get in the way and he bought the Mizuno MP-14 irons. I played with him many times before and after his purchase of the blades. His game wasn't nearly as good with the MP-14's. I couldn't believe that he wouldn't switch back to the X-12's. His iron play was so much better with the X-12's. There was a noticeable difference in his iron play and it was clear to myself and all of his friends that he had no business playing the blades. Neither do any of you.

[12sandwich]

I've actually read somewhere that in his early days Tiger used to have a set of Ping eye 2s. But when he got big enough to hit golf shots he upgraded to GFF, and has basically used them ever since, just with different labels stamped on them.

Is it possible that FD is Tiger than? The greatest iron player I,ve seen.

[lorenzoinoc]

Is it possible that FD is Tiger than? The greatest iron player I,ve seen.

Maybe. If 3W is actually Tiger.

[12sandwich]

Maybe. If 3W is actually Tiger.

By George there are similaritys.

[mentaloaf]

I thought his latest coach had him in a training bra?

it's called a "Bro" not a "Bra" when it's for men a la Kramer

[Ty_Webb]

Hi famousdavis,

I'd quite like to clear something up here. First you say this:

Like I said before, as long as you've got the right shaft in the iron and it is pleasing to your eye I don't think what iron you play is going to have much effect on score.

Which is an interesting premise to start with. Unfortunately, it's somewhat undermined in the same paragraph, when you say this:

His game wasn't nearly as good with the MP-14's.

and this:

There was a noticeable difference in his iron play and it was clear to myself and all of his friends that he had no business playing the blades.

I think it's only fair to point out that changing your mind so quickly about what your opinion is, is a trait that makes you look remarkably similar to one Mr Laryrfs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but perhaps in future you might like to think about what you're saying before you say it. Saves you depositing your foot so firmly in your mouth. That is all. Please carry on.

[lorenzoinoc]

Hi famousdavis,

I'd quite like to clear something up here. First you say this:



Which is an interesting premise to start with. Unfortunately, it's somewhat undermined in the same paragraph, when you say this:



and this:



I think it's only fair to point out that changing your mind so quickly about what your opinion is, is a trait that makes you look remarkably similar to one Mr Laryrfs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but perhaps in future you might like to think about what you're saying before you say it. Saves you depositing your foot so firmly in your mouth. That is all. Please carry on.

Ty, you're going down the wrong road here trying to throw past statements into a poster's face. We already have somebody that remembers everything, even if does only have around 1,300 posts.

[Ty_Webb]

Ty, you're going down the wrong road here trying to throw past statements into a poster's face. We already have somebody that remembers everything, even if does only have around 1,300 posts.

Thanks for the advice lorenzoinoc. Appreciate it. Though in my defense I would say I wasn't exactly remembering past statements from very long ago. It was all in one paragraph.

[Kiwi Player]

Hi famousdavis,

I'd quite like to clear something up here. First you say this:



Which is an interesting premise to start with. Unfortunately, it's somewhat undermined in the same paragraph, when you say this:



and this:



I think it's only fair to point out that changing your mind so quickly about what your opinion is, is a trait that makes you look remarkably similar to one Mr Laryrfs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but perhaps in future you might like to think about what you're saying before you say it. Saves you depositing your foot so firmly in your mouth. That is all. Please carry on.

Dissecting FD's post line by line like that is kind of eerie. It makes you appear a little too similar to Larryrsf's nemesis Alangbaker.

[famousdavis]

Hi famousdavis,

I'd quite like to clear something up here. First you say this:



Which is an interesting premise to start with. Unfortunately, it's somewhat undermined in the same paragraph, when you say this:



and this:



I think it's only fair to point out that changing your mind so quickly about what your opinion is, is a trait that makes you look remarkably similar to one Mr Laryrfs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but perhaps in future you might like to think about what you're saying before you say it. Saves you depositing your foot so firmly in your mouth. That is all. Please carry on.

First of all I didn't say anything, I wrote it. Work on your syntax. I wrote that his X-12's worked great for him. It must have been the right shaft and head for him. He switched and didn't perform as well. I am right and you are wrong and that's all there is to it. Carry on.

[Mizuno>Ping]

First of all I didn't say anything, I wrote it. Work on your syntax. I wrote that his X-12's worked great for him. It must have been the right shaft and head for him. He switched and didn't perform as well. I am right and you are wrong and that's all there is to it. Carry on.

What a crappy comeback.

[shoeinc]

Tiger the greatest iron player of all time ?? surely not , while he is undoubtedly the greatest player of the modern era it is not because of his iron play ! when you look at his iron play against that of garcia or mc ilroy etc he comes up second best !!

[The Purist]

Tiger the greatest iron player of all time ?? surely not , while he is undoubtedly the greatest player of the modern era it is not because of his iron play ! when you look at his iron play against that of garcia or mc ilroy etc he comes up second best !!

LOL...You really think chokio garcia is a better iron player than Tiger. Why don't you look back over the last 10-12 years and tell me who has averaged the most GIR over that period. Its Tiger by a mile. GIR is directly related to your iron play and ball striking...its definitely not because Tiger hits the most fairways. Nothing is more important to going low and having consistency on the PGA tour than GIR. Tiger has a great short game, but I think one of the reasons its so good is because he doesn't have to rely on it as much as the other players. Grinding out an up and down 3 or 4 times a round is a lot easier than staying focused for 6 or 7 missed greens.

[Horseballs]

Tiger the greatest iron player of all time ?? surely not , while he is undoubtedly the greatest player of the modern era it is not because of his iron play ! when you look at his iron play against that of garcia or mc ilroy etc he comes up second best !!

Only a Euro with penis envy could possibly hold this opinion. Garcia overswings at every single iron shot. He's a very driver in rounds 1 and 2 though.
McIlroy? GTFO, he can't even carry Sean O'Hair's jock strap let alone Tiger's.

[shoeinc]

if you're goin to go by GIR then surely john sendon should be up there but you wouldn't say he's a better iron player than tiger !! and Garcia is top of the GIR on the european tour by a long way with 79.51 % compared to Tigers 68.4 !!

[The Purist]

if you're goin to go by GIR then surely john sendon should be up there but you wouldn't say he's a better iron player than tiger !! and Garcia is top of the GIR on the european tour by a long way with 79.51 % compared to Tigers 68.4 !!

John Sendon does not lead GIRs for the last 10 years, and I don't even think he qualifies for most of the big boy tournaments. The European tour is so bad they have to pay Tiger more than they pay their winners just for him to show up. Tiger is all about being great...winning on the EuroTrash tour means nothing to him.

[lorenzoinoc]

Shoeinc is obviously just trolling. Noone is dumb enough to believe that about that little pendejo. Aside from being a complete failure in his career as a golfer, he isn't even a man.

Putting the little sphincter next to McIlroy in a sentence like that couldn't threaten McIlroy's career. Don't do it again.

[shoeinc]

my point exactly , that how good your iron play doesn't mean how great you are as a player !! if u brain dead americans could stop to realise that !! i was simply saying that while Tiger has been the best player in the world for the last 10 years does not mean he has been the best iron player !! i think he has been the best player in the world because there he is prob the best pressure putter ever !!

but if you take your head out of the red white and blue tigermania's a55 you'd admit there are a atleast a handful of better iron players

[lorenzoinoc]

Shoeinc, you don't need to go through life with such a massive inferiority complex. It's ok to not be as good. It's ok to not have all your teeth. When you can accept those things, well, then you've accepted those things.

[Horseballs]

Shoe, Garcia may be leading GIR in Europe, but where is he on the USPGA Tour? He's at 95th. I think the only logical conclusion we can draw is that the Euro Tour is so weak that 95 players from the US Tour would be leading in GIR if they decided to slum it on that garbage tour.

[edgey]

Tiger is all about being great...winning on the EuroTrash tour means nothing to him.

Winning on ANY tour means nothing to him, other than Majors. So in fact winning The Open would matter to him.

Edgey

[shoeinc]

well do you honestly think tiger is the best iron player

[lorenzoinoc]

The answer to that lies in whether his irons are cast or forged, blades or cavity backs vs. the player to whom you're comparing him. Tiger plays forged Miura blades. What does McIlroy play? The little spanish pile of puke isn't worth considering.

[mentaloaf]

I think FD/LarryRSF is the best iron player in the world

[shoeinc]

Rory played muira blades untill he turned pro and got massive money off Tit ! larry left has no surfaced since i've been here and while i find FD amusing and i'm sure he loves his eye2's but i'll reserve judgement untill i see them on tour !

[12sandwich]

Tiger the greatest iron player of all time ?? surely not , while he is undoubtedly the greatest player of the modern era it is not because of his iron play ! when you look at his iron play against that of garcia or mc ilroy etc he comes up second best !!

I just go by what other top players, all over the world have said, and what I personally have seen for 9-10 years. When hes on, or even not, He wins. Nobody seems to get it closer when it counts

[poe4soul]

got to agree with loaf. Anyone who can hit a 1 iron (stamped with a 2) off tight lies is the best iron player.

[famousdavis]

got to agree with loaf. Anyone who can hit a 1 iron (stamped with a 2) off tight lies is the best iron player.

I'm one of the only players out there that can still hit a 1 iron. The only reason I don't carry it in my bag is because I can hit the 2 iron just as long when I want to. Arnold Palmer used to hit his 1 iron 240 yards. Well, so can I.

[lorenzoinoc]

I'm one of the only players out there that can still hit a 1 iron. The only reason I don't carry it in my bag is because I can hit the 2 iron just as long when I want to. Arnold Palmer used to hit his 1 iron 240 yards. Well, so can I.

Boy the Ravens looked shitty on Monday. Why didn't they let Flacco throw down field? I can understand why they make Notre Dame guys post Montana throw 6 yard passes. But Flacco's got an arm. Is it because they have shitty receivers?

[famousdavis]

Boy the Ravens looked shitty on Monday. Why didn't they let Flacco throw down field? I can understand why they make Notre Dame guys post Montana throw 6 yard passes. But Flacco's got an arm. Is it because they have shitty receivers?

Montana never ran a post. He was a quarterback. I'm not sure if you're new to football but you might want to check on your history.

[lorenzoinoc]

Montana never ran a post. He was a quarterback. I'm not sure if you're new to football but you might want to check on your history.

Actually I am new to football. It's way stupider than would justify the focus it gets, but my friends are into it so part of Sundays involve watching big sweaty steroid mutants run, jump and throw. In any event, Flacco's italian, none of that should matter.

And I'll definitely look into football history as soon as possible.

[thepro]

garcia overswing are you joking me have you ever watch garcia he just clearly lays it off at the top its far from a over swing.
mcilroy does not need to hold ohair jock strap as he (she) cant even hit the ball half the distance mcilroy can yet alone strike it half aswell. mcilroy is the most talented player on any tour in the world and thats a fact

[lorenzoinoc]

McIlroy has everything but the hair. I mean, does that look goofy or what? He's got the ballstriking and the talent, no question. But so did Bozo the clown. His hair ruined him.

[Horseballs]

garcia overswing are you joking me have you ever watch garcia he just clearly lays it off at the top its far from a over swing.
mcilroy does not need to hold ohair jock strap as he (she) cant even hit the ball half the distance mcilroy can yet alone strike it half aswell. mcilroy is the most talented player on any tour in the world and thats a fact

Garcia swings too hard is what I'm getting at.
McIlroy beating up on the c-listers from the Euro Tour doesn't impress me.

[SoonerBS]

Garcia swings too hard is what I'm getting at.
McIlroy beating up on the c-listers from the Euro Tour doesn't impress me.

I have to acknowledge this as truth. He definitely has not made a statement on anything remotely PGAish on the American circuit in his visits over here. I do think, however, that in his due time he will surpass Garcia like a fart does my blue jeans.

[lorenzoinoc]

Can we stop talking about Garcia when we're discussing elite pro golfers? He shouldn't be part of the discussion. He's not even capable of being a fart in Sooner's pants. A shart maybe but not a mere fart.

[shoeinc]

you have such double standards , tiger has one of the most out of control swings going when he takes out the driver and doesn't swing within himself !! as for mc ilroy your top ranking coach and the man who coached tiger said he is a more complete player at that age then tiger !!

[lorenzoinoc]

F.uck I hate double standards! It might be ok for certain things, but most of the time it's b.ullshit.

[Horseballs]

you have such double standards , tiger has one of the most out of control swings going when he takes out the driver and doesn't swing within himself !! as for mc ilroy your top ranking coach and the man who coached tiger said he is a more complete player at that age then tiger !!

Whoa, where to start...
I never said Tiger was the best iron player, I merely said that your 2 picks (Garcia and McIlroy) were clearly Euro penis envy picks, then I backed this up with irrefutable evidence far exceeding GR standards of proof.
Second, I have no problem admitting McIlroy is further along than Tiger at his age. See, I'm not a Tiger nuthugger, but what does Tiger's driver swing (which can be awful at times) have to do with his iron swing?

[shoeinc]

don't get me wrong i'm a fan of tiger i was just saying that people having a go at garcia for swinging to hard is a little rich when from tee to green his is very good and just struggles at the money end !

as for McIlroy beating up c listers, he's at the top of the race to dubai at 20 and ranked a head of prince sean o'hair (who's jock strap he cant carry) !!

even if i was goin to offer another ball striker is would be european again !! but phil and tiger are top of the world rankings for a reason and have the most complete games !

[lorenzoinoc]

Whoa, fella. Let's not go off half cocked. Unless in your case it's unavoidable. I don't castigate the little spanish wad of flem because he swings too hard. It's because he's a pathetically poor excuse for a h.omo sapien. We're talking pure bottom of the barrel. Depth of the dung heap. Lowest of the low on the ladder.

As far as the quality of his golf, by any measure he's one of the biggest losers that's ever lived. Choking trumps everything else. It doesn't matter that somewhere in the process there's a certain promise. It's like your posts. I'm guessing when you begin typing, you have an image containing clarity and logic. But by the time the last key's struck, those things have clearly evaporated.

[Not a hacker]

Tiger is an unbleieveable iron player. He may not always have the best GIR stats, but the purity of strike he puts on a ball is unsurpassed. All the other pros comment on the different sound Tiger gets when he hist a golf ball. IMO he is the best iron player in the world, but that's not the only reason he wins. The real strength of Tiger is that he doesn't have any weaknesses. His driving may be a little erratic at times, but he can just change down to 3 wood and hit it almost as far as the rest hit driver. Almost every other player has at least one facet of their game that stinks. For ost of the great ball strikers it's putting. Two Aussies who fit this bill are Goggin and Senden. Both of them could go mano a mano with Tiger from tee to green (Senden in particular is one of the purest iron players you will ever see), but they are spastics with a putter in hand. Other great putters like Harrington or Baddley don't have the ball striking to make their putting superiority count. Tiger is in the top tier of nearly every statistic, except possibly driving accuracy. He is the best because of his lack of weaknesses, not because of any particular strengths.

P.S. I obviously have no arguments with ZO's flawless logic re:El Whino

[famousdavis]

Whoa, fella. Let's not go off half cocked. Unless in your case it's unavoidable. I don't castigate the little spanish wad of flem because he swings too hard. It's because he's a pathetically poor excuse for a h.omo sapien. We're talking pure bottom of the barrel. Depth of the dung heap. Lowest of the low on the ladder.

As far as the quality of his golf, by any measure he's one of the biggest losers that's ever lived. Choking trumps everything else. It doesn't matter that somewhere in the process there's a certain promise. It's like your posts. I'm guessing when you begin typing, you have an image containing clarity and logic. But by the time the last key's struck, those things have clearly evaporated.

How do you really feel about him? I like Sergio. I think he adds excitement to the tour. Sure, he exhibited too much self pity at the British but he was just saying what he felt at the moment. At least it wasn't some pre-planned speech like Phil always provides.

[Not a hacker]

As hard as it is for a guy like me to be humble, I have to take my hat off to FD for this thread. As has been well documented, I have had some problems with ball striking lately. One of the main issues for me was that the backswing just didn't feel right. It was hard for me to get the club going back with any consistemcy or rhythm. Late last week as I was practising the backswing at home and thought about getting my weight going back onto the right leg at the start of the backswing and it felt good. It made the backswing and transition to the downswing almost automatic, and I managed to empty my head of multiple thoughts as I was taking it back. I used it on Saturday and had my best round in over 6 months. I hit 10 GIR and had two others trickle over the back after covering the flag but flying too far (and the rest were all within 5 metres of the green and usually pin high or better). I only ended up with 5 over, but the ball striking was as pure as I can ever remember. I was striping the mid and short irons right where I was aiming (as I have been in poor form I was being conservative and aiming for the fat side of the greens so had no real short birdie putts). I was also hitting the long irons purely and hit the driver long with a slight draw. Getting my weight over the right foot gave me the feeling that I was in a good position to start the downswing, and pure strikes were almost expected.

The new irons also performed really well and had a big say in how well I was hitting it. I can't believe how pure these feel for cast shovels, and I got a great ball flight (high, penetrating slight draws with plenty of bite). I'm going to play a championship course on Wednesday, and have more confidence than I've had in ages.