Then learn to delay your release until the clubhead strikes the ball, to keep the clubhead accelerating through impact like the pros do.
Good seniors with only 90 MPH clubhead speed can still drive it 260 yards! They hit the ball on the sweet spot with the clubhead accelerating. It also goes straight!
How? Simply by getting themselves POSTED, moving their weight to their lead side early and then swinging.
Here is a good training aid for that. The SwingWave has been around for years--likely available used for a few bucks, but it really works.
It requires the golfer to backswing to vertical--then WAIT for the water to drain toward the handle. That wait gives me time to shift my weight to my front leg "post." Watch my back foot first ROLL as my weight shifts and then it turns up on my toe as I pivot around. I keep my head behind the ball and concentrate on delaying the "swish" that indicates the fastest part of my downswing. I want to accelerate the clubhead through impact and beyond. The swish should occur after the ball position.
This inexpensive and simple training aid really works--and changes your swing fast IF you alternate using it with hitting balls. Bring your SwingWave swing to your 6i.
Then learn to delay your release until the clubhead strikes the ball, to keep the clubhead accelerating through impact like the pros do.
Good seniors with only 90 MPH clubhead speed can still drive it 260 yards! They hit the ball on the sweet spot with the clubhead accelerating. It also goes straight!
How? Simply by getting themselves POSTED, moving their weight to their lead side early and then swinging.
Here is a good training aid for that. The SwingWave has been around for years--likely available used for a few bucks, but it really works.
It requires the golfer to backswing to vertical--then WAIT for the water to drain toward the handle. That wait gives me time to shift my weight to my front leg "post." Watch my back foot first ROLL as my weight shifts and then it turns up on my toe as I pivot around. I keep my head behind the ball and concentrate on delaying the "swish" that indicates the fastest part of my downswing. I want to accelerate the clubhead through impact and beyond. The swish should occur after the ball position.
This inexpensive and simple training aid really works--and changes your swing fast IF you alternate using it with hitting balls. Bring your SwingWave swing to your 6i.
Larry
Actually, I like how you explained the water draining down the shaft. A lot of what you said above is true and I find that my best swings are when I can delay the release of the clubhead. I get in trouble when my downswing is too quick.
Actually, I like how you explained the water draining down the shaft. A lot of what you said above is true and I find that my best swings are when I can delay the release of the clubhead. I get in trouble when my downswing is too quick.
This summer I bought one of those yellow shafted weighted drivers pimped by Golf Magazine 100 Top Teachers Rick Smith. It has ball bearings in the shaft that are free to move. I thought that the idea was to make a quick enough transition so that the balll bearings would not move until the end of the follow-through. Now maybe it sounds like I should pause at or near the top to let the ball bearings fall down the shaft like that water. Since I bought this thing at Golf Galaxy and not through the infomercial 1-800-xxx-yyyy and "But wait, call this number within 10 minutes and you'll also get the custom headcover and instructional video worth $99..." I got not instructions at all with it. All I know is that after about 50 swings with that thing, my shoulders feel like they spread to Pro Bowl MLB width and, even if I don't quite manage to get well into my left side at impact, I'll just nail that little white bastid anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
Then learn to delay your release until the clubhead strikes the ball, to keep the clubhead accelerating through impact like the pros do.
Good seniors with only 90 MPH clubhead speed can still drive it 260 yards! They hit the ball on the sweet spot with the clubhead accelerating. It also goes straight!
How? Simply by getting themselves POSTED, moving their weight to their lead side early and then swinging.
Larry: let's see any data that backs up your claim that 90mph clubhead speed can result in 260 yard drives. What Ive read on the net suggests that 90mph gets you about 200 yards carry.
Here is a good training aid for that. The SwingWave has been around for years--likely available used for a few bucks, but it really works.
It requires the golfer to backswing to vertical--then WAIT for the water to drain toward the handle. That wait gives me time to shift my weight to my front leg "post." Watch my back foot first ROLL as my weight shifts and then it turns up on my toe as I pivot around. I keep my head behind the ball and concentrate on delaying the "swish" that indicates the fastest part of my downswing. I want to accelerate the clubhead through impact and beyond. The swish should occur after the ball position.
This inexpensive and simple training aid really works--and changes your swing fast IF you alternate using it with hitting balls. Bring your SwingWave swing to your 6i.
All your "inexpensive and simple training aid[s] really work", Larry...
...until you find the next one.
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Actually, I like how you explained the water draining down the shaft. A lot of what you said above is true and I find that my best swings are when I can delay the release of the clubhead. I get in trouble when my downswing is too quick.
I always find that water draining down my shaft while I'm swinging is both distracting and embarrassing. Better be wearing dark trousers heh?
Larry: let's see any data that backs up your claim that 90mph clubhead speed can result in 260 yard drives. What Ive read on the net suggests that 90mph gets you about 200 yards carry.
I would agree with this ascertion. Isnt the basic translation: SS x 2.5= distance(carry+roll) ???
100 SS would equal roughly 250 yds. Which is right about where I am at (litte less than that though). I did hit a 300 yarder last year, but had a 20mph tailwind and an elevated T to a wiiiidddeee arse fairway. So I just said fukk it and went HB trying to dislodge a nut. But my norm is somewhere in the 250 range. +/- 10-15 yds Id speculate.
This doesn't look like a delay of the release as much as it looks like a tool to keep you from rushing your downswing. If your tempo is even, the water has time to funnel down.
Holding lag is just a bunch of rubbish. Once you start adding hand and wrist manipulations, you're just adding one more moving part that wasn't happening on its own. You now have to time it right every single time. Good luck being consistent with that.
This doesn't look like a delay of the release as much as it looks like a tool to keep you from rushing your downswing. If your tempo is even, the water has time to funnel down.
Holding lag is just a bunch of rubbish. Once you start adding hand and wrist manipulations, you're just adding one more moving part that wasn't happening on its own. You now have to time it right every single time. Good luck being consistent with that.
A good teacher (himself a good player) explains that they make a full shoulder turn with a full wrist set, creating an "L" of arms and clubshaft. To downswing they shift to their front leg and turn their hips toward the target AS they bring their arms down. They consciously avoid any casting action on the handle in order to retain their lag until their hands are in front of their legs, it is called a "flying "L." If the hips lead, if they get themselves fully posted, and they avoid casting with any bogus "hit" with hands, the release will happen at the ball or even afterward, accelerating the clubhead.
A good teacher (himself a good player) explains that they make a full shoulder turn with a full wrist set, creating an "L" of arms and clubshaft. To downswing they shift to their front leg and turn their hips toward the target AS they bring their arms down. They consciously avoid any casting action on the handle in order to retain their lag until their hands are in front of their legs, it is called a "flying "L." If the hips lead, if they get themselves fully posted, and they avoid casting with any bogus "hit" with hands, the release will happen at the ball or even afterward, accelerating the clubhead.
With only 100 MPH clubhead speed, the golfer will fly the ball 230ish straight down the middle, and likely get 30 yards of roll.
Larry
They bring the club down yes, but they don't actively hold the angle and fight the club releasing on its own. If you stop turning your hips and shoulders, the weight of the clubhead and gravity are going to cause your wrists to unhinge. If you just keep turning, the club will do the releasing on its own. Forcefully holding the angle is just a receipe for disaster.
Also your own link shows that roll can add about 10% depending on conditions. So you'd be likely to get a drive around 253 yards. That's at 100 MPH. How are you hitting a 260 yard drive with a swing speed of around 90 mph?
They bring the club down yes, but they don't actively hold the angle and fight the club releasing on its own. If you stop turning your hips and shoulders, the weight of the clubhead and gravity are going to cause your wrists to unhinge. If you just keep turning, the club will do the releasing on its own. Forcefully holding the angle is just a receipe for disaster.
Also your own link shows that roll can add about 10% depending on conditions. So you'd be likely to get a drive around 253 yards. That's at 100 MPH. How are you hitting a 260 yard drive with a swing speed of around 90 mph?
Read it again. You DO NOT actively hold the angle. You consciously SET the wrists on the backswing, then you AVOID pushing the handle with the lower hand. You avoid casting during the downswing. Some actually PULL the handle longitudinally towad the ball with as little leverage exerted as possible. IF your weight has transferred the release will happen at the ball position--and NOT before that as most amateurs do.
But the whole deal is the weight shift. You cannot delay the release to the ball or after if your weight is lagging back, if you have not posted.
So the beauty of the SwingWave is that during the time the water is draining toward the handle, you should shift your hips laterally and shift your weight--POSTING. Then when you downswing the bottom of your swing has moved several inches forward. You can accelerate the clubhead through the ball. This is 30% more clubhead speed at impact for most amateurs.
Add hitting the ball on the sweet spot of the driver face, a little toward the toe and above the middle, and you will hit the drive of your life--without throwing your arms or exerting any sort of handsy "HIT."
Read it again. You DO NOT actively hold the angle. You consciously SET the wrists on the backswing, then you AVOID pushing the handle with the lower hand. You avoid casting during the downswing. Some actually PULL the handle longitudinally towad the ball with as little leverage exerted as possible. IF your weight has transferred the release will happen at the ball position--and NOT before that as most amateurs do.
But the whole deal is the weight shift. You cannot delay the release to the ball or after if your weight is lagging back, if you have not posted.
So the beauty of the SwingWave is that during the time the water is draining toward the handle, you should shift your hips laterally and shift your weight--POSTING. Then when you downswing the bottom of your swing has moved several inches forward. You can accelerate the clubhead through the ball. This is 30% more clubhead speed at impact for most amateurs.
Add hitting the ball on the sweet spot of the driver face, a little toward the toe and above the middle, and you will hit the drive of your life--without throwing your arms or exerting any sort of handsy "HIT."
This is just plain incorrect. See Shawn Clement. The right hand must feel the weight of the clubhead on the way down and provide resistance thereto. That said, if one is hopeless at coming over the top they might need to commit one death move to get control over another. But that's the lesser of two evils not proper technique.
If your path is proper your entire post is irrelevant. Sounds like you hopelessly try to get stuck and then flip in an effort to avoid coming over the top. Just keep the shoulders turned and let the club drop but use the right to feel the weight of the clubhead and keep the shaft from falling out of plane.
This is just plain incorrect. See Shawn Clement. The right hand must feel the weight of the clubhead on the way down and provide resistance thereto. That said, if one is hopeless at coming over the top they might need to commit one death move to get control over another. But that's the lesser of two evils not proper technique.
If your path is proper your entire post is irrelevant. Sounds like you hopelessly try to get stuck and then flip in an effort to avoid coming over the top. Just keep the shoulders turned and let the club drop but use the right to feel the weight of the clubhead and keep the shaft from falling out of plane.
I am in routine contact with Shawn Clement and I see 3 top PGA pros in this area. I take a lot of lessons. I ask questions. I recently discussed how to avoid the premature release, "casting," with one of them. The answer was what I wrote above. Make a full wrist set, arms extended, then start the downswing with weight shift and hip turn toward the target. AVOID exerting leverage on the handle, especially pushing with the lower hand. The release will happen late IF we do it right. Otherwise we cast.
I also learned to hit balls with a Whippy TempoMaster training club--the same club that many long drive competitors train with. They work to avoid all leverage--knowing that any pushing on the handle with the lower hand actually slows the clubhead before impact, causes premature release. Nobody can time that, so they practice doing NOTHING with hands. BTW, doing NOTHING is much more difficult than doing active things. It goes against all our instincts-- but it works!
See tempomaster.com There are several long drive competitor swing videos there and some video instruction.
If you're in frequent contact with Shawn Clement then it's unfortunate you don't understand what he's saying. Look, I thought about asking Sean to be the best man at my wedding. When I need a truck to pick up something too large for my sedan, I'll probably ask to use Sean's. Sean can call me any time if he has cooking questions.
Next time you talk to him, ask him about the fishing rod casting example and then for once try and pay attention to what he says.
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
A good teacher (himself a good player) explains that they make a full shoulder turn with a full wrist set, creating an "L" of arms and clubshaft. To downswing they shift to their front leg and turn their hips toward the target AS they bring their arms down. They consciously avoid any casting action on the handle in order to retain their lag until their hands are in front of their legs, it is called a "flying "L." If the hips lead, if they get themselves fully posted, and they avoid casting with any bogus "hit" with hands, the release will happen at the ball or even afterward, accelerating the clubhead.
Larry. Try and absorb this:
There is no inherent connection between weight shift and lag.
You can keep the lag without shifting your weight. You can lose your lag even if you do shift your weight.
With only 100 MPH clubhead speed, the golfer will fly the ball 230ish straight down the middle, and likely get 30 yards of roll.
For a total of 260... ...which you claimed you could get with 90mph swingspeed at the opening of this thread.
But your own graphic shows you're wrong again:
According to www.swingspeedradar.com, to get 230 yards carry, you need a swing speed of 110mph. It's the first of the green lines you encounter on each axis, Larry. Can't you even understand your own references? Yes: the chart implies that at the very upper limit of a 100mph swing speed SOME golfers might carry it 230 yards, but that's a far cry from your claim.
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
I am in routine contact with Shawn Clement and I see 3 top PGA pros in this area.
Like you were in "contact" with Cleveland Golf when you tried to claim that Corey Pavin played graphite shafted irons when he won the U.S. Open?
I take a lot of lessons.
Yet you don't improve.
I ask questions.
You just don't listen to the answers.
I recently discussed how to avoid the premature release, "casting," with one of them. The answer was what I wrote above. Make a full wrist set, arms extended, then start the downswing with weight shift and hip turn toward the target. AVOID exerting leverage on the handle, especially pushing with the lower hand. The release will happen late IF we do it right. Otherwise we cast.
Sure it was...
Which one?
I also learned to hit balls with a Whippy TempoMaster training club--the same club that many long drive competitors train with.
Which long drive competitors, Larry: names, please.
They work to avoid all leverage--knowing that any pushing on the handle with the lower hand actually slows the clubhead before impact, causes premature release. Nobody can time that, so they practice doing NOTHING with hands. BTW, doing NOTHING is much more difficult than doing active things. It goes against all our instincts-- but it works!
Which is why so many long driver competitors have those wimpy little arms..
..oh wait.
See tempomaster.com There are several long drive competitor swing videos there and some video instruction.
Let's see YOU hitting a Whippy, Larry...
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Read it again. You DO NOT actively hold the angle. You consciously SET the wrists on the backswing, then you AVOID pushing the handle with the lower hand. You avoid casting during the downswing. Some actually PULL the handle longitudinally towad the ball with as little leverage exerted as possible. IF your weight has transferred the release will happen at the ball position--and NOT before that as most amateurs do.
But the whole deal is the weight shift. You cannot delay the release to the ball or after if your weight is lagging back, if you have not posted.
So the beauty of the SwingWave is that during the time the water is draining toward the handle, you should shift your hips laterally and shift your weight--POSTING. Then when you downswing the bottom of your swing has moved several inches forward. You can accelerate the clubhead through the ball. This is 30% more clubhead speed at impact for most amateurs.
Add hitting the ball on the sweet spot of the driver face, a little toward the toe and above the middle, and you will hit the drive of your life--without throwing your arms or exerting any sort of handsy "HIT."
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
Read it again. You DO NOT actively hold the angle. You consciously SET the wrists on the backswing, then you AVOID pushing the handle with the lower hand. You avoid casting during the downswing. Some actually PULL the handle longitudinally towad the ball with as little leverage exerted as possible. IF your weight has transferred the release will happen at the ball position--and NOT before that as most amateurs do.
But the whole deal is the weight shift. You cannot delay the release to the ball or after if your weight is lagging back, if you have not posted.
Yes, Larry, you can. There are one-legged golfers who hit the ball long and far. How could they possibly do that if weight shift were a prerequisite for lag?
So the beauty of the SwingWave is that during the time the water is draining toward the handle, you should shift your hips laterally and shift your weight--POSTING. Then when you downswing the bottom of your swing has moved several inches forward. You can accelerate the clubhead through the ball. This is 30% more clubhead speed at impact for most amateurs.
Uh-huh. So I guess you'll be hitting your 6 iron nearly 210, eh?
Add hitting the ball on the sweet spot of the driver face, a little toward the toe and above the middle, and you will hit the drive of your life--without throwing your arms or exerting any sort of handsy "HIT."
I'm sorry, but did I just read that? You're declaring that you know where the sweet spot is on every driver... ...ever made?
Larry: your swing is awful. The 6 iron you hit into the nets was a low, pulled, probably slicing squib. If that's what the SwingWave gets you, send it back.
Come back and tell us how well it works when you can actually swing a golf club properly.
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Alan, for what it's worth, I think you can carry it more than 230 yards with a 110 mph swing. I had my ss measured at 100-105 on a launch monitor and I can hit it 260 metres on a good drive without too much roll. Unless I swing faster on course, that means my 105 ss would be carrying around 235 metres or so, which would be closer to 250 yards.
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Alan, for what it's worth, I think you can carry it more than 230 yards with a 110 mph swing. I had my ss measured at 100-105 on a launch monitor and I can hit it 260 metres on a good drive without too much roll. Unless I swing faster on course, that means my 105 ss would be carrying around 235 metres or so, which would be closer to 250 yards.
I think that's probably true, NaH, but Larry first suggested that a 90mph swingspeed was good for 260, and then immediately misrepresented a chart to say that it would take 100mph swing speed to achieve the same thing, when that chart clearly shows that that is at the extreme upper end of what 100mph can achieve.
I don't know if the chart is right or wrong (and it does suggest that 250 yards carry is possible for a 105mph swing speed), but Larry couldn't even read what it said...
...and it was his chart.
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I think that's probably true, NaH, but Larry first suggested that a 90mph swingspeed was good for 260, and then immediately misrepresented a chart to say that it would take 100mph swing speed to achieve the same thing, when that chart clearly shows that that is at the extreme upper end of what 100mph can achieve.
I don't know if the chart is right or wrong (and it does suggest that 250 yards carry is possible for a 105mph swing speed), but Larry couldn't even read what it said...
...and it was his chart.
I should have assumed it was just Larry getting it wrong again. I must be in the upper end of the chart for 105mph, I do hit it pretty sweet and probably have a real good smash factor.
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I should have assumed it was just Larry getting it wrong again. I must be in the upper end of the chart for 105mph, I do hit it pretty sweet and probably have a real good smash factor.
I need to do something like what Larry is suggesting because I am coming down way too quickly and over the top on my irons. I can feel that I'm losing power. It's a very difficult thing to stop doing and mine is very subtle. It's not like I come way over the top. I just have a very hard time slowing down my swing as I'm coming into the ball and I can feel that I'm casting the club.
I need to do something like what Larry is suggesting because I am coming down way too quickly and over the top on my irons. I can feel that I'm losing power. It's a very difficult thing to stop doing and mine is very subtle. It's not like I come way over the top. I just have a very hard time slowing down my swing as I'm coming into the ball and I can feel that I'm casting the club.
Getting the feeling of starting the downswing with the left hip will fix that up. I know it feels funny and unconnected if you really conciously lead with the left hip, but if you find a way to do that without really knowing you're doing it you will be sweet. You also should try to get the feeling of the club dropping straight down in the downswing, with the turning body being what gets it to impact position, not the hands or arms, then feeling the right hand whip the clubhead through impact as late as possible. All these things are just cause and effect movements though and are not important in and of itself, they just help to achieve the one position which is very important, getting your hands to lead the clubhead throygh impact.
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I need to do something like what Larry is suggesting because I am coming down way too quickly and over the top on my irons. I can feel that I'm losing power. It's a very difficult thing to stop doing and mine is very subtle. It's not like I come way over the top. I just have a very hard time slowing down my swing as I'm coming into the ball and I can feel that I'm casting the club.
You and 99% of amateurs (according to TPI). But with drills and slow motion rehearsals you can slowly ingrain a golf swing that includes the transition weight shift before the swing. To quote Shawn Clement, "Turn, SHIFT, swing."
Remember EVERY TIME you hit a ball without shifting, you are more deeply ingraining a fundamental mistake.
I know amateurs who have been playing several times a week for 45 years! They hit hundreds of balls on the range, take lots of lessons, and still just turn and swing, no shift. They get good at that, but they have no hope of playing with the best in their club. They suffer half a dozen wild shots EVERY round-- and are lucky to break 80 and quite often blow up into the 90s. It is called "recovery" golf because they seldom hit a fairway or a GIR.
Every teaching pro knows how to teach this move. There are several good training aids that would help-IF- you would patiently use it and then hit balls in slow motion and alternate between the training aid and a lofted club, endeavoring to bring the correct swing to real clubs.
Good Luck! I have often compared learning the golf swing to learning to play guitar or piano, any musical instrument. It takes perseverance. You know whether you can persist or not. NO late beginner with a short attention span learns a good golf swing.
OR, translated, Alan really meant: "I HATE LARRY!!" I feel so inferior to Larry. He is smarter, far more educated, far more accomplished, and far wealthier than I will ever be. I HATE Larry!!"
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that a 90 SS produces 260. Incidentally, I had 4 birdies today, first time ever in 42 yrs. of golf. Missed a 4 foot putt for a fifth. My drives go about 225 when I hit it flush.
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Alan Baker, Canadian loser
Larry, you screwed up your quoting... ...again.
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Nice stinger shot at the end or was that a bit thin?
BTW - there's a major difference between a flip and a cast. Many successful tour players flip before or through impact. None of them cast. You cast.
I have been watching the kids from the local college at my range. They always warm up hitting low stingers with their wedges...ball comes out very low with a lot of late check up after they land.
I've been incorporating that into my warm up lately, and the release is definitely delayed and late. I think Larry is working on some good stuff in that video.
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I have been watching the kids from the local college at my range. They always warm up hitting low stingers with their wedges...ball comes out very low with a lot of late check up after they land.
I've been incorporating that into my warm up lately, and the release is definitely delayed and late. I think Larry is working on some good stuff in that video.
I went to the range today to try and work a few things out. I was hitting it pretty good with my 7 iron but it felt like I was coming over the top again and also hitting a little behind the ball. I then made a conscious effort to keep my head behind the ball and not move forward on the downswing. The result was pretty amazing. By just keeping my head from moving forward I was hitting it crisp and much straighter with a little fade. It's the opposite of what you would expect...that you'd hit even more behind the ball by staying back but instead I was hitting the ball first. Also, by staying even with the ball my follow through was flatter and less upright. It's interesting how the most simple change can yield amazing results.
I went to the range today to try and work a few things out. I was hitting it pretty good with my 7 iron but it felt like I was coming over the top again and also hitting a little behind the ball. I then made a conscious effort to keep my head behind the ball and not move forward on the downswing. The result was pretty amazing. By just keeping my head from moving forward I was hitting it crisp and much straighter with a little fade. It's the opposite of what you would expect...that you'd hit even more behind the ball by staying back but instead I was hitting the ball first. Also, by staying even with the ball my follow through was flatter and less upright. It's interesting how the most simple change can yield amazing results.
This is one of my golden rules that applies to my swing. It's called maintaining your spine angle into impact.
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I have been watching the kids from the local college at my range. They always warm up hitting low stingers with their wedges...ball comes out very low with a lot of late check up after they land.
I've been incorporating that into my warm up lately, and the release is definitely delayed and late. I think Larry is working on some good stuff in that video.
I was being sarcastic. I bet from caddy you'd see that his swing bottomed out before impact.
Lary's like a blind squirrel. Even he finds a nut every once and a while.
This is one of my golden rules that applies to my swing. It's called maintaining your spine angle into impact.
Club Ho' report. I took out the Taylormade Supersteels that had been sitting in a box in my garage for over a year. I hit the 7 iron on the range for the first time last night and I have to say they feel pretty sweet. Nice trajectory and a soft feel to them. The stiff Rifle shaft has that strange feel to it but I wouldn't say it's bad. I was pretty impressed with the 7 iron. Haven't tried the rest.
I went back to Golfmart to look at the Mizuno Tzoid Pro II and I took a look at the 9 iron. I hated it. The 9 & 8 iron just don't look right to me. They're too big compared to the rest of the irons. Pass.
Also saw a set of Ping G2 WRX irons, 3-LW, 10 irons total with Dynamic Gold S300 shafts. This was very tempting because I've never actually tried a GI iron with a Dynamic Gold S300 shaft. The ones I've tried have had either a uniflex shaft or the CS-Lite with Ping. Hmmmm....very tempting.
Also saw a set of Ping G2 WRX irons, 3-LW, 10 irons total with Dynamic Gold S300 shafts. This was very tempting because I've never actually tried a GI iron with a Dynamic Gold S300 shaft. The ones I've tried have had either a uniflex shaft or the CS-Lite with Ping. Hmmmm....very tempting.
Threads like this are why I just can't spend much time here. I start to pay attention and care about the posters here, and then one of these idiotic threads pop up and make me leave again.
Pro Tip: ban Larry and watch your membership grow!
SO SICK of these Larry/Alan pissing matches/slap fights.
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Threads like this are why I just can't spend much time here. I start to pay attention and care about the posters here, and then one of these idiotic threads pop up and make me leave again.
Pro Tip: ban Larry and watch your membership grow!
SO SICK of these Larry/Alan pissing matches/slap fights.
There'd be no fights if either:
Larry had the good grace to simply admit when he's wrong.
or:
Larry wasn't wrong so very often.
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Threads like this are why I just can't spend much time here. I start to pay attention and care about the posters here, and then one of these idiotic threads pop up and make me leave again.
Pro Tip: ban Larry and watch your membership grow!
SO SICK of these Larry/Alan pissing matches/slap fights.
Denny, I mean Yaz, good to see you again. You haven't been here for a while. One thing you need to make your stay enjoyable around here is a high tolerance of idiots and a sense of the ridculous. Larry might be an insufferable moron and a major pain in the arse on other golf threads, but around here he is regular entertainment. Just when you think he can't get any stupider and has run out of material, he comes up with a thread like this......... and totally redeems himself!
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
Threads like this are why I just can't spend much time here. I start to pay attention and care about the posters here, and then one of these idiotic threads pop up and make me leave again.
Pro Tip: ban Larry and watch your membership grow!
SO SICK of these Larry/Alan pissing matches/slap fights.
Yaz, I don't disagree but I would like to pass along something my Papa once said to me when I was grousing about someone annoying me. He said, "Son, noone wakes up in the morning and decides they want to be a pain in the ass. Usually they have little if any choice. The best you can do is figure out how you can get them to entertain you."
Of course Papa wasn't very good at following through on this when it came to Mama, unless he just enjoyed shouting at the top of his lungs.
I for one would gladly trade you for Alan and Larry, straight up.
Threads like this are why I just can't spend much time here. I start to pay attention and care about the posters here, and then one of these idiotic threads pop up and make me leave again.
Pro Tip: ban Larry and watch your membership grow!
SO SICK of these Larry/Alan pissing matches/slap fights.
You have to take the good with the bad my friend. Larry is a total moron, we all know that and Alan is his curious sidekick. There are some great posters on this forum that keep me coming back and yesterday I had the pleasure of meeting one of them and playing a round of golf with him. If not for GR I would never have met Oldplayer and had the pleasure of a round of golf in Melbourne at a fantastic course. So don't let one sideshow freak put you off the whole show.
You can always try ignoring his posts/threads?
Besides, one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes. I personally find the whole Larry/Alan sideshow bizzarrely entertaining and would miss them if they left altogether.
This inexpensive and simple training aid really works--and changes your swing fast IF you alternate using it with hitting balls. Bring your SwingWave swing to your 6i.
Larry
You look like an Alzheimer's patient (I have known many, unfortunately)
Larry, if you keep hitting into that tent your wife makes you sleep in, you might put a hole in it...
I ask questions. I recently discussed how to avoid the premature release,
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Either don't touch it, or use a tube sock.
I will have to post a few swing videos from my trip this week. I am going to North Carolina to play the TPC at Piper Glen and Grandover East Course. I am a 5.5 handicap right now, and I have a 125+ MPH swing speed on average (and the swing looks pretty damn good). I have been on many different Trackman launch monitors, and there is no way possible that 90 MPH gets 260 yards. My dad, who is 55 and has back issues, can muster a 90+ MPH swing speed (Trackman) and he can't even get it 250 with no wind!
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I will have to post a few swing videos from my trip this week. I am going to North Carolina to play the TPC at Piper Glen and Grandover East Course. I am a 5.5 handicap right now, and I have a 125+ MPH swing speed on average (and the swing looks pretty damn good). I have been on many different Trackman launch monitors, and there is no way possible that 90 MPH gets 260 yards. My dad, who is 55 and has back issues, can muster a 90+ MPH swing speed (Trackman) and he can't even get it 250 with no wind!
I'm 63 and the highest swingspeed I've seen on a monitor is 104 which indicated a 250 yard carry on the machine. The machines estimate a 220 yard carry when I'm in my typical 92-95 range. On the course in decent weather with medium fast fairways my drives will end up in the 240-260 range with relatively level fairways. The key is not only swing speed, but smash factor with good spin, path and angle of attack. When those are almost perfectly in alignment, I have no doubt that a low 90's swing could produce a 250-260 yard drive just as a 105-110 swing with crap smash factor, poor path, spin and angle of attack will produce worlds of hurt for the young bruiser.
I'm 63 and the highest swingspeed I've seen on a monitor is 104 which indicated a 250 yard carry on the machine. The machines estimate a 220 yard carry when I'm in my typical 92-95 range. On the course in decent weather with medium fast fairways my drives will end up in the 240-260 range with relatively level fairways. The key is not only swing speed, but smash factor with good spin, path and angle of attack. When those are almost perfectly in alignment, I have no doubt that a low 90's swing could produce a 250-260 yard drive just as a 105-110 swing with crap smash factor, poor path, spin and angle of attack will produce worlds of hurt for the young bruiser.
Machines, launch monitors and other gizmos don't tell you jack squat. You know why? Because golf is a sport that is played outdoors and there are too many variables in the golf swing for some machine to accurately tell you what the ball will do. I have a high enough swing speed to play stiff shafts like Dynamic Gold or usually the stock stiff shaft in a driver you buy off the shelf. My swing speed is NOT high enough to hit a Gaffaloy ProLite Stiff or Aldila Voodoo Stiff. I can tell that I need a regular flex with those. That being said, I know that I can hit the ball 260 yards with my driver and I know that my swing speed is right around 95 to 102 depending on my efficiency that day. So much of distance is determined by how the body moves into the ball and proper technique. You need the efficient movement of your body to act as a support mechanism for the club contacting the ball. My longest drives ever are with a 1990 Taylormade Tour Driver 8.5 loft with DGS Steel shaft. Explain that with your launch monitors. You can't.
Personally, I think if you go to a golf store and do an indoor fitting to choose a club then you are wasting your time. For one thing, I don't believe people swing the same in those things as they do on the course. I think the natural tendency is to overswing.
You look like an Alzheimer's patient (I have known many, unfortunately)
Larry, if you keep hitting into that tent your wife makes you sleep in, you might put a hole in it...
Careful.
A hole in the net wouldn't matter, would it? Last time I lived in San Diego County, there were no insects of bother. There were sure a bunch in Tiajuana, though. Enough scraps and feces to keep them busy. The only critters of bother in Rancho Santa Fe were those Marshall Applewhite disciples waiting for the Mothership and some high-end crank and mescaline dealers.
A hole in the net wouldn't matter, would it? Last time I lived in San Diego County, there were no insects of bother. There were sure a bunch in Tiajuana, though. Enough scraps and feces to keep them busy. The only critters of bother in Rancho Santa Fe were those Marshall Applewhite disciples waiting for the Mothership and some high-end crank and mescaline dealers.
The Mothership departed years ago along with all the disciples in their brand new Nike outfits so no need to worry about them anymore.
The Mothership departed years ago along with all the disciples in their brand new Nike outfits so no need to worry about them anymore.
Mothership come. Mothership go. Mothership come again. But you never know when. Since Mothership prefer to land in good prestigious neighborhoods like RSF, keep your checkmarked tracksuits pressed and your skulls shaved tight. And don't let the bedbugs bite.
What are we actually talking about here - delaying the release as in hitting late or smoothing out the transition from the back swing to the down swing.
I am in broad agreement John "Dr Golf" Jacobs on the subject of the late hit. Whenever he was asked by a pupil to teach him/her the late hit he asked "whats wrong with hitting it at the right time?" For the majority of amateur golfers any deliberate attempt at hitting late usually results in hardly hitting the ball at all. A fast free swing of the arms in harmony with the unwinding of the body in the correct sequence will produce the desired result. By fast, I don't mean a wild slash at the ball.
BTW - I have a 98 mph swing and my solid drives are between 230 and 240 carry and roll combined. By very best efforts hitting a draw go around 260 carry and roll. I'm only 53
What are we actually talking about here - delaying the release as in hitting late or smoothing out the transition from the back swing to the down swing.
I am in broad agreement John "Dr Golf" Jacobs on the subject of the late hit. Whenever he was asked by a pupil to teach him/her the late hit he asked "whats wrong with hitting it at the right time?" For the majority of amateur golfers any deliberate attempt at hitting late usually results in hardly hitting the ball at all. A fast free swing of the arms in harmony with the unwinding of the body in the correct sequence will produce the desired result. By fast, I don't mean a wild slash at the ball.
BTW - I have a 98 mph swing and my solid drives are between 230 and 240 carry and roll combined. By very best efforts hitting a draw go around 260 carry and roll. I'm only 53
I will be 70 in June. I find I can most consistently hit it straight down the fairway and from fairway to green when I strike the ball crisply and accelerate through. I can most consistently strike it clean and accelerate through when I backswing and downswing almost in one motion, minimizing the time I am on my back foot-- very much like Hogan, but with far less backswing. I can't do what he did, especially that fast. His entire swing happened in LESS than 1 second. But no doubt that most amateurs take FAR too long, 2+ seconds or more and thus they fail to move off their back foot before impact. A LATE hit is deceleration-- and will produce both erratic contact and erratic direction. So to avoid being late, just make it FAST! It works. Gary Player is another good example to copy. Watch him complete his swing in a fraction of a second--and step over as he ensure that he gets himself forward--to accelerate the clubhead through.
As I get older, I find that hitting it straight and playing the course from the short grass is a lot more fun. Distance is overrated. 20 more yards off the tee at the price of missing several fairways every round is just stupid. And hitting fairways and greens can lead to scoring!
I will be 70 in June. I find I can most consistently hit it straight down the fairway and from fairway to green when I strike the ball crisply and accelerate through. I can most consistently strike it clean and accelerate through when I backswing and downswing almost in one motion, minimizing the time I am on my back foot-- very much like Hogan, but with far less backswing. I can't do what he did, especially that fast. His entire swing happened in LESS than 1 second. But no doubt that most amateurs take FAR too long, 2+ seconds or more and thus they fail to move off their back foot before impact. A LATE hit is deceleration-- and will produce both erratic contact and erratic direction. So to avoid being late, just make it FAST! It works. Gary Player is another good example to copy. Watch him complete his swing in a fraction of a second--and step over as he ensure that he gets himself forward--to accelerate the clubhead through.
As I get older, I find that hitting it straight and playing the course from the short grass is a lot more fun. Distance is overrated. 20 more yards off the tee at the price of missing several fairways every round is just stupid. And hitting fairways and greens can lead to scoring!
Larry
Couple of weeks ago I watched the last couple of holes of a Senior Tour event in what looked like SoCal, maybe Newport if I recall. Anyway, I love Nick Price's tempo. He's had that tempo for decades. That dude stays connected.
Couple of weeks ago I watched the last couple of holes of a Senior Tour event in what looked like SoCal, maybe Newport if I recall. Anyway, I love Nick Price's tempo. He's had that tempo for decades. That dude stays connected.
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
I will be 70 in June. I find I can most consistently hit it straight down the fairway and from fairway to green when I strike the ball crisply and accelerate through. I can most consistently strike it clean and accelerate through when I backswing and downswing almost in one motion, minimizing the time I am on my back foot-- very much like Hogan, but with far less backswing. I can't do what he did, especially that fast. His entire swing happened in LESS than 1 second. But no doubt that most amateurs take FAR too long, 2+ seconds or more and thus they fail to move off their back foot before impact. A LATE hit is deceleration-- and will produce both erratic contact and erratic direction. So to avoid being late, just make it FAST! It works. Gary Player is another good example to copy. Watch him complete his swing in a fraction of a second--and step over as he ensure that he gets himself forward--to accelerate the clubhead through.
So this is to be the new "new SECRET", is it, Larry? If you want to swing well, you've got to swing fast; tempo that is? I knew something new had to be in the works.
As I get older, I find that hitting it straight and playing the course from the short grass is a lot more fun. Distance is overrated. 20 more yards off the tee at the price of missing several fairways every round is just stupid. And hitting fairways and greens can lead to scoring!
And yet: you cannot score, can you?
Everyone misses fairways, Larry. From the PGA Tour on down.
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Titleist AP2 w/Project X shafts 3-PW
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Tommy Armour Model 6 putter.
So this is to be the new "new SECRET", is it, Larry? If you want to swing well, you've got to swing fast; tempo that is? I knew something new had to be in the works.
Everyone misses fairways, Larry. From the PGA Tour on down.
If anyone can hit all the fairways at their local course, the designer should be shot. Good course design should provide a challenge on each hole, starting from the tee shot. I actually find that at times the holes which have tougher tee shots are the fairways I hit mjore often, simply because the design of the hole calls for a specific shot. Sometimes it's the flat, straight, wide fairways which are harder to hit because you don't have a strategy for the tee shot, and instead just blaze away.
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