[QUOTE=SoonerBS]The voicemail I heard on the radio sure sounded like Tiger Woods. Personally, I think Tiger's ass is now officially in a ringer . . . .[/QUOTE
The sports junkies were talking about Tiger this morning, apparently a different girl who thought she was the only mistress got jealous and released the voicemail and has over 300 texts. Also it was rumored on tour that he was a freak for creeping on his wife
YES this is becoming a huge story, they're reporting OJ LIKE publicity here! SHOCKING!
Yesterday or the day before I was still thinking freak accident but now it's being proven that he has been creeping on his wife. Larry was right about the inquirer even though i didn't want to believe such a crap paper at first.
Can any of us be certain we'd be faithful were we in his position? Imagine the kind of stuff laying down in front of Tiger. And it's probably almost non-stop.
Alot of guys in European countries have mistresses, and it's arguably socially acceptable. But this being the U.S. and with Tiger's level of fame, it's a no-win for him. Tiger has a house in OC and is here frequently. He just has too much opportunity. Not saying more than that.
Suffice it to say, Tiger's climb to $1 Billion is going to slow down significantly. Especially if you deduct her share.
By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer Doug Ferguson, Ap Golf Writer 13 mins ago
Tiger Woods says he has let his family down and regrets "those transgressions with all of my heart."
In a statement Wednesday on his Web site, Woods says he has not been "true to my values and the behavior my family deserves."
He offered his "profound apology" to his supporters.
His comments came after Us Weekly magazine published a cover story alleging that a Los Angeles cocktail waitress had a 31-month affair with the world's No. 1 golfer.
Jaimee Grubbs told the magazine she met Woods at a Las Vegas nightclub the week after the 2007 Masters — two months before Woods' wife, Elin Nordegren, gave birth to their first child. Grubbs claims to have proof in 300 text messages.
Wednesday morning, the magazine published what it said was a voicemail provided by Grubbs that she said was left by Woods on Nov. 24, three days before his early morning car crash outside his home near Orlando.
In his statement, Woods did not offer details of any alleged relationship.
"I will strive to be a better person and the husband and father that my family deserves," he said.
He also said he has been "dismayed to realize the full extent of what tabloid scrutiny really means."
Despite the "intense curiosity" about his life, Woods said "there is an important and deep principle at stake which is the right to some simple, human measure of privacy."
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I for one don't care what Tiger did or does off the golf course. Sure what he did may have been morally wrong but it is also HIS business. Like Zo said would any one of us be tempted by the opportunities presented him on a presumably constant basis? This is between him and his wife. Ya I know, "What about the kids that he's a role model for", Well ya know? It gets right back to what he said. He's human and NOT perfect. I still think that compared to alot of "role models" in this human race, he's still up there with the best.
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Can any of us be certain we'd be faithful were we in his position? Imagine the kind of stuff laying down in front of Tiger. And it's probably almost non-stop.
Alot of guys in European countries have mistresses, and it's arguably socially acceptable. But this being the U.S. and with Tiger's level of fame, it's a no-win for him. Tiger has a house in OC and is here frequently. He just has too much opportunity. Not saying more than that.
Suffice it to say, Tiger's climb to $1 Billion is going to slow down significantly. Especially if you deduct her share.
I would, but a lot of men would. If you have counseled as many marriages as I have, you would quickly learn how infidelity is not worth the 5 minutes it takes to ejaculate.
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I wouldn't, but a lot of men would. If you have counseled as many marriages as I have, you would quickly learn how infidelity is not worth the 5 minutes it takes to ejaculate.
To hear that alot of men would abstain in his situation fascinates me. I'm sure alot of men say they would, but I don't think I'm convinced. I agree infidelity isn't worth it, but isn't it more a question of self-control when faced with opportunity?
Maybe it comes down to one's make-up in being able to forget about an opportunity after it's passed up. I can remember opportunities I passed up when I was married. Seldom does a day go by where I don't wish I had their phone numbers now that I'm free.
Now that my kid making days are done (I sure hope) I don't know that marriage would be in the cards until it needs an airpump to reach apogee.
Personally, I never thought Tiger was that great of a role model even on the golf course. I've used him as an example of how my son should NOT act on the golf course. Tiger is constantly whacking his clubs on the ground, cursing, and throwing little temper tantrums on the course. He always seems to blame his poor shots on the wind, a photographer, or other outside influences. He rarely accepts blame for his poor shots and, from what I've seen, sets a very bad example for the kids that idolize him.
However, I think people that use sports stars or other celebrities as role models for their kids to look up to are idiots. Kids that idolize these stars are usually bratty little pissants that think winning is everything and have no true appreciation for the game that they play. That being said, Tiger is human and people need to stay the f*ck out of his personal business. I can't stand the way TMZ, as well as some legitimate news outlets, seem to enjoy taking celebrities down a peg. Most of the people that report the news are celebrity wannabe's or has beens that are jealous of the people that actually "made it" and look for any opportunity to take them down. Truly despicable.
There are so few people that live in the limelight and are able to have successful marriages, it's almost not even worth trying. Tiger should have remained a bachelor and enjoyed the fruits of his labor that Lorenzo alluded to. I really do not see this ending well for Tiger financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
I wouldn't, but a lot of men would. If you have counseled as many marriages as I have, you would quickly learn how infidelity is not worth the 5 minutes it takes to ejaculate.
To hear that alot of men would abstain in his situation fascinates me. I'm sure alot of men say they would, but I don't think I'm convinced. I agree infidelity isn't worth it, but isn't it more a question of self-control when faced with opportunity?
Maybe it comes down to one's make-up in being able to forget about an opportunity after it's passed up. I can remember opportunities I passed up when I was married. Seldom does a day go by where I don't wish I had their phone numbers now that I'm free.
Now that my kid making days are done (I sure hope) I don't know that marriage would be in the cards until it needs an airpump to reach apogee.
I had to go in and edit what I had originally posted. I meant to say, "I would abstain, but a lot of men would not."
Some would call that a Freudian slip, but I assure you it is not.
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Personally, I never thought Tiger was that great of a role model even on the golf course. I've used him as an example of how my son should NOT act on the golf course. Tiger is constantly whacking his clubs on the ground, cursing, and throwing little temper tantrums on the course. He always seems to blame his poor shots on the wind, a photographer, or other outside influences. He rarely accepts blame for his poor shots and, from what I've seen, sets a very bad example for the kids that idolize him.
However, I think people that use sports stars or other celebrities as role models for their kids to look up to are idiots. Kids that idolize these stars are usually bratty little pissants that think winning is everything and have no true appreciation for the game that they play. That being said, Tiger is human and people need to stay the f*ck out of his personal business. I can't stand the way TMZ, as well as some legitimate news outlets, seem to enjoy taking celebrities down a peg. Most of the people that report the news are celebrity wannabe's or has beens that are jealous of the people that actually "made it" and look for any opportunity to take them down. Truly despicable.
There are so few people that live in the limelight and are able to have successful marriages, it's almost not even worth trying. Tiger should have remained a bachelor and enjoyed the fruits of his labor that Lorenzo alluded to. I really do not see this ending well for Tiger financially, emotionally, or otherwise.
I agree he is a hot head on the course that certainly doesn't lead a good example but he's done a lot for kids that a lot of people don't know about. We've don't a lot of work for the Tiger Woods Learning Center in Anaheim and he has spared no expense at making this place happen.
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When you consider that Clinton, Kobe, JFK and a host of other famous men were womanizers, it will make no difference that Tiger cheated on his wife as far as endorsements, and his popularity. He is admired for his golfing skills and what he does in his personal life is his business.
What does concern me is the possible physical nature of the relationship with his wife. I think if he were hit in the mouth with a diamond ring that cut him or caused to have an accident because of a thrown club (all speculation), that puts both of them in jeopardy in which case anger management therapy would do them both good.
They can make a positive out of a negative if all the speculation is true by setting an example for other couples. Half the women and men who are married cheat and that is a fact. When I think how Betty Ford faced her problems and started the Betty Ford clinics which was an admirable thing to do, if Elin is an abuser, perhaps she could do the same and Tiger could do something of a similar nature. It might be painful at first, however in the long run, it would benefit hundred of thousands of people and lead them out of their current behavior.
The underlying issues are always going to be there unless they are addressed, and I for one do not want to wake up some morning to find out the Tiger Woods is dead.
I for one don't care what Tiger did or does off the golf course. Sure what he did may have been morally wrong but it is also HIS business. Like Zo said would any one of us be tempted by the opportunities presented him on a presumably constant basis? This is between him and his wife. Ya I know, "What about the kids that he's a role model for", Well ya know? It gets right back to what he said. He's human and NOT perfect. I still think that compared to alot of "role models" in this human race, he's still up there with the best.
cheats on his wife, but NOT on the golfcourse...
he's a truly upstanding guy!
The underlying issues are always going to be there unless they are addressed, and I for one do not want to wake up some morning to find out the Tiger Woods is dead.
God I hope this is true.. Cause it would make Elin just that much hotter.
Co-workers tell TMZ on Friday -- the day of Tiger's crash -- Jaimee went to work, played the voicemail to co-workers and then later in the evening said she had received a call from a blocked number. Jaimee says she answered and asked who was on the line. Jaimee says the caller -- a woman -- did not identify herself but said, "You know who this is because you're f**king my husband."
God I hope this is true.. Cause it would make Elin just that much hotter.
Co-workers tell TMZ on Friday -- the day of Tiger's crash -- Jaimee went to work, played the voicemail to co-workers and then later in the evening said she had received a call from a blocked number. Jaimee says she answered and asked who was on the line. Jaimee says the caller -- a woman -- did not identify herself but said, "You know who this is because you're f**king my husband."
I don't see why Elin got mad. She was missing an opportunity to have a threesome, which I read somewhere is the secret fantasy of most girls. It also allows them to reach a full, mindblowing ...
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I don't see why Elin got mad. She was missing an opportunity to have a threesome, which I believe is the secret fantasy of most girls.
Holy shiit, now he has Gloria Allred on his ass. This is getting worse for him by the minute. He should have held off crashing the Escalade until he had a chance to run over Gloria Allred with it. Justifiable homicide wouldn't quite describe it. More like a collosal gift to humankind.
How could Tiger have underestimated the depth a woman is willing to go to when the relationship ends? I was pretty sure all this was coming when the accident occurred, thus my sig. which I'll be sticking with for a long time.
Who was it that said this won't affect Tiger's endorsements? What planet are you from?
I don't see why Elin got mad. She was missing an opportunity to have a threesome, which I read somewhere is the secret fantasy of most girls. It also allows them to reach a full, mindblowing ...
People always choose a favorite in threesomes. That wouldn't have gone over so well I'd imagine.
Aussie chicks are the ones most likely to give up a threesome. Swede's are most likely for one night stands, especially with American guys. French are just known for being a b!tch. Results courtesy of Manswers.
God I hope this is true.. Cause it would make Elin just that much hotter.
Co-workers tell TMZ on Friday -- the day of Tiger's crash -- Jaimee went to work, played the voicemail to co-workers and then later in the evening said she had received a call from a blocked number. Jaimee says she answered and asked who was on the line. Jaimee says the caller -- a woman -- did not identify herself but said, "You know who this is because you're f**king my husband."
For some reason, I always thought Tiger's mistress was the game of golf. 12 hours a day of practice, followed by yoga and video study at night. I love TW, but I hope his life is absolute hell for quite some time...Not because I am upset with his cheating, but because his golf game was suffering. If Tiger learned anything from Kobe, it should be that people don't care what the hell you do....as long as you perform at a great level, people will forgive and embrace you.
There isn't a man on the planet that doesn't want different pu$$y. It doesn't matter if you have the best looking wife on the planet. Deep down, you still want a high quantity and big variety of puss. A lot of men have the will-power to restrain from pursuing the puss, but its a different story when the puss is pursuing you. Most of the harshest critics have about 0.0 opportunities a year at getting some strange. I wonder how many women have approached Tiger.
Its amazing that the most famous person in the world could have affairs going on for 3 years without anyone noticing. There is no telling how much $hit is going to come out before this thing dies down...Something new comes out every few hours.
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People always choose a favorite in threesomes. That wouldn't have gone over so well I'd imagine.
Aussie chicks are the ones most likely to give up a threesome. Swede's are most likely for one night stands, especially with American guys. French are just known for being a b!tch. Results courtesy of Manswers.
I'm on a plane for Australia. See you at the goat track, NaH.
For some reason, I always thought Tiger's mistress was the game of golf. 12 hours a day of practice, followed by yoga and video study at night. I love TW, but I hope his life is absolute hell for quite so time...Not because I am upset with his cheating, but because his golf game was suffering. If Tiger learned anything from Kobe, it should be that people don't care what the hell you do....as long as you perform at a great level, people will forgive and embrace you.
There isn't a man on the planet that doesn't want different pu$$y. It doesn't matter if you have the best looking wife on the planet. Deep down, you still want a high quantity and big variety of puss. A lot of men have the will-power to restrain from pursuing the puss, but its a different story when the puss is pursuing you. Most of the harshest critics have about 0.0 opportunities a year at getting some strange. I wonder how many women have approached Tiger.
Its amazing that the most famous person in the world could have affairs going on for 3 years without anyone noticing. There is no telling how much $hit is going to come out before this thing dies down...Something new comes out every few hours.
How could someone capable of writing such a dead on post have made that Dolphins bet?
You're right. When it's hot and it's pursuing you, come talk to me about judging others that are in that situation constantly.
For some reason, I always thought Tiger's mistress was the game of golf. 12 hours a day of practice, followed by yoga and video study at night. I love TW, but I hope his life is absolute hell for quite some time...Not because I am upset with his cheating, but because his golf game was suffering. If Tiger learned anything from Kobe, it should be that people don't care what the hell you do....as long as you perform at a great level, people will forgive and embrace you.
There isn't a man on the planet that doesn't want different pu$$y. It doesn't matter if you have the best looking wife on the planet. Deep down, you still want a high quantity and big variety of puss. A lot of men have the will-power to restrain from pursuing the puss, but its a different story when the puss is pursuing you. Most of the harshest critics have about 0.0 opportunities a year at getting some strange. I wonder how many women have approached Tiger.
Its amazing that the most famous person in the world could have affairs going on for 3 years without anyone noticing. There is no telling how much $hit is going to come out before this thing dies down...Something new comes out every few hours.
Well put!!
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To hear that alot of men would abstain in his situation fascinates me. I'm sure alot of men say they would, but I don't think I'm convinced. I agree infidelity isn't worth it, but isn't it more a question of self-control when faced with opportunity?
Maybe it comes down to one's make-up in being able to forget about an opportunity after it's passed up. I can remember opportunities I passed up when I was married. Seldom does a day go by where I don't wish I had their phone numbers now that I'm free.
Now that my kid making days are done (I sure hope) I don't know that marriage would be in the cards until it needs an airpump to reach apogee.
The follies a man regrets most are the ones he DIDN'T commit when he had the opportunity.
(fat = 130 to 160 pounds in my book. 170 or greater is obese and not to be tampered with . . . . unless we are talking chicks over 6 foot tall)
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Question for you that may challenge your ability to be honest given your occupation. Did you ever really save a marriage? Isn't it true the ones that are going to break eventually do, the others float along. Can anything be resolved in a marital counseling format? Don't people need to engage and resolve their own stuff or else it's all for naught?
The follies a man regrets most are the ones he DIDN'T commit when he had the opportunity.
Oh MAN! 19 years old, living with my girlfriend and on acid one night with her and her hot girlfriend. They wanted to do the threesome and I was sick to my stomach from the drugs. I tried to get it all going again the next week and it just never happened......Oh what it could have been.....
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Question for you that may challenge your ability to be honest given your occupation. Did you ever really save a marriage? Isn't it true the ones that are going to break eventually do, the others float along. Can anything be resolved in a marital counseling format? Don't people need to engage and resolve their own stuff or else it's all for naught?
BTW, Serena's got to be at least 250
If the two people are both willing to work on issues in their marriage, Lorenzo, then I have usually been able to help them save their marriage. If only ONE of them is willing to work at it, it will not be saved. More often than not, by the time the couples come to me, it is usually considered a "last ditch effort" to show that they tried. Usually, they already have made up their minds that they are ready to separate and move on.
Serena is mostly muscle, so she is sexy at that weight. Plus, she talks dirty as we have all evidenced recently, so that is a plus as well.
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"After several days of evaluation, I have decided to disband the First Church of Tiger Woods (as indicated by the graphics at the top of this web site) and I will not renew the TigerWoodsIsGod domain name when it expires in a couple of months. Any future commentary on this site (which may not happen at all) will be regarding Tiger’s failings in relation to his affair/accident debacle which continues to unfold almost by the hour.
Because the First Church of Tiger Woods has been in existence since late 1996 and this web site has been around since early 2000, you might think that such a decision might be difficult. In this case, it was not. Unfortunately, Tiger Woods has made it all to easy to realize that he is no longer worthy of any special admiration.
The events of the past few days have revealed Tiger to be a serial adulterer, a blatant liar, and a selfish coward. While I am sure I will always respect his ability as a golfer, that was only a very small part of why this much misunderstood web site was created and why it became such a big part of my life.
As I have documented in my columns below, Tiger is clearly no longer deserving of being seen as a role model or a hero and he has needlessly squandered his unique potential to be a positive force in our country and the world. While I am relatively sure that Tiger will make a comeback from this sad episode and that there will be great moments for him in the future, I personally am done with Tiger Woods and I doubt that I will even care very much about whatever else he might achieve on the golf course (for someone who once vowed to make sure he lived until he saw Tiger get to 19 major championships, I have a hard time believing I can write those words with such ease).
For the record , here are a list of Tiger’s “sins” that make it impossible for me to continue with this web site.
He has had multiple affairs with sleazy women while married to the mother of his children and he has, to this date, not told the truth about them.
He has lied about the circumstances surrounding his accident in an arrogant and insulting fashion.
He has bailed on his own tournament and foundation just to shield himself from the media and lied about why he was doing doing so.
His silence to the police and the public has been an embarrassment to his fans and leaves us with no rational choice but to assume the very worst about what the truth really is."
To hear that alot of men would abstain in his situation fascinates me. I'm sure alot of men say they would, but I don't think I'm convinced. I agree infidelity isn't worth it, but isn't it more a question of self-control when faced with opportunity?
Maybe it comes down to one's make-up in being able to forget about an opportunity after it's passed up. I can remember opportunities I passed up when I was married. Seldom does a day go by where I don't wish I had their phone numbers now that I'm free.
Now that my kid making days are done (I sure hope) I don't know that marriage would be in the cards until it needs an airpump to reach apogee.
I can honestly say that if it happened to me now I would not take it up. But I'm the wrong side of 40 and have different priorities in life. I have also witnessed the pitfalls of infidelity in other people's marriages and agree it's not worth it. But if I was early thirties, away from home for long periods, and had hot women throwing themselves at me I can't say that I would be so strong. Even though you know you will regret it, the temptation could be overwhelming. Throw a few Sambuccas into the equation, and self control can quickly
go out the window for even the strongest of men.
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I'm on a plane for Australia. See you at the goat track, NaH.
I'll give you a tip that is 100% foolproof, but which I've never taken up. If you come to Sydney and want to bang REALLY hot babes (I'm talking bikini model standard), just go to an upmarket nightclub and make it known you've got enough blow to share. I've got mates who were into that scene and they say it never fails. Girls in that scene over here know the deal, and are willing and up for anything once they've had their snort.
As for the continuing reference of me with fat chicks, all I can say is that when you're young, dumb and full of cum you take what's on offer. But that was a long time ago, and I never went out in public with them or anything. And they weren't huge either, just built for comfort. I'm with Sooner on this, big but not obese = sexy.
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I can honestly say that if it happened to me now I would not take it up. But I'm the wrong side of 40 and have different priorities in life. I have also witnessed the pitfalls of infidelity in other people's marriages and agree it's not worth it. But if I was early thirties, away from home for long periods, and had hot women throwing themselves at me I can't say that I would be so strong. Even though you know you will regret it, the temptation could be overwhelming. Throw a few Sambuccas into the equation, and self control can quickly
go out the window for even the strongest of men.
Tell you what. I was faithful throughout my marriage. But she was never able to believe I was. Now I don't feel any commitment whatsoever to be faithful to anybody and I'm honest about that with women. I suspect with a little time I'll feel differently but this whole Tiger affair is pretty affirming for me.
So I admit I'm really enjoying this whole thing. Here I've been criticized for working sex into golf for so long, and now I don't even have to work at. This is great. Thanks, Tiger.
I can honestly say that if it happened to me now I would not take it up. But I'm the wrong side of 40 and have different priorities in life. I have also witnessed the pitfalls of infidelity in other people's marriages and agree it's not worth it. But if I was early thirties, away from home for long periods, and had hot women throwing themselves at me I can't say that I would be so strong. Even though you know you will regret it, the temptation could be overwhelming. Throw a few Sambuccas into the equation, and self control can quickly go out the window for even the strongest of men.
A friend of mine has been encountering the pitfalls of his infidelities. Surprisingly, he is now having an affair with a new girl. Is it really not worth it ?
A friend of mine has been encountering the pitfalls of his infidelities. Surprisingly, he is now having an affair with a new girl. Is it really not worth it ?
I suppose it depends on whether it ends up in the divorce courts. Then it is definitely not worth it.
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It ended up in the court for his first. He is now with the second wife and with..... ??th mistress.
I guess some guys just never learn.
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Some guys don't. That's why it is very hard for me to feel sorry for guys that have it all, but are still not satisfied. Tiger had it ALL, including a beautiful wife that was totally devoted to him and his children. But, that wasn't enough, he also wanted the thrill of drilling some dirty slu ts on the side. I just can't respect that about him. I respect his superior skills on the golf course, but I do not respect him as a person anymore.
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Some guys don't. That's why it is very hard for me to feel sorry for guys that have it all, but are still not satisfied. Tiger had it ALL, including a beautiful wife that was totally devoted to him and his children. But, that wasn't enough, he also wanted the thrill of drilling some dirty slu ts on the side. I just can't respect that about him. I respect his superior skills on the golf course, but I do not respect him as a person anymore.
Pretty much agree with all this. Although I don't know him personally, from his actions I would say that it would behard to respect him. I respect people with the self discipline to resist the temptation to do the wrong thing. He just seems like a hedonist who is a slave to his impulses, and doesn't consider the consequences. The recorded message in particular portrays him as a creepy sleaze bag trying to cover his tracks after being busted.
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Pretty much agree with all this. Although I don't know him personally, from his actions I would say that it would behard to respect him. I respect people with the self discipline to resist the temptation to do the wrong thing. He just seems like a hedonist who is a slave to his impulses, and doesn't consider the consequences. The recorded message in particular portrays him as a creepy sleaze bag trying to cover his tracks after being busted.
I love the press release saying he regrets his actions. Yeah right! The only thing he regrets is getting snapped out!
From my own perspective I agree with you guys. But unless you've walked in another's shoes how can you judge?
Expecting anything more from a professional athlete than to play at a high level speaks to our own inadequacies.
I don't expect anything from Tiger and this doesn't surprise me one bit. What it does do though is destroy the cutesy, Mr Perfect, family man public image so carefully created by his marketing agents over the past decade. That he has managed to maintain that Mr Perfect image off the course for so long is a credit to him. This is the first off the course crisis he has had to face in his career. As I stated in another post, he might have been able to get through the marital crisis in a reasonably private fashion if not for that damn fire hydrant and tree outside his house!
I don't expect anything from Tiger and this doesn't surprise me one bit. What it does do though is destroy the cutesy, Mr Perfect, family man public image so carefully created by his marketing agents over the past decade. That he has managed to maintain that Mr Perfect image off the course for so long is a credit to him. This is the first off the course crisis he has had to face in his career. As I stated in another post, he might have been able to get through the marital crisis in a reasonably private fashion if not for that damn fire hydrant and tree outside his house!
yeah, i agree. and it's shocking that elin acted like a third class housewife from a ghetto.
I don't expect anything from Tiger and this doesn't surprise me one bit. What it does do though is destroy the cutesy, Mr Perfect, family man public image so carefully created by his marketing agents over the past decade. That he has managed to maintain that Mr Perfect image off the course for so long is a credit to him. This is the first off the course crisis he has had to face in his career. As I stated in another post, he might have been able to get through the marital crisis in a reasonably private fashion if not for that damn fire hydrant and tree outside his house!
Why did anyone buy into that image? I have a friend and golf buddy that was a former pro athlete. I get to witness the bs of fame and jocksniffing firsthand. It's easy to see Eldridge's human failings here, but how about ours in enabling someone with great athletic skill but who is otherwise just an average person to maintain an obviously false public persona?
And as far as the tree and fire hydrant, anyone who's ever walked a dog knows they just aren't able to avoid them.
I never really cared for Tiger. I definitely admire his skill as being the greatest golfer that ever lived. And he blew me away when he first came out on tour because I did not think there was any way he could ever live up to all of the hype surrounding him. Not only did he live up to it, he exceeded it in most cases. However, I've never really enjoyed watching him play. If he was leading a tournament going into Sunday I would usually not even bother tuning in.
That being said, I really feel for the guy right now. The way that the media hounds celebrities and seems to take joy in ruining their lives is truly disgusting. Tiger and his family are going through enough without the media dragging him through the mud. Give the guy a break. At the end of the day, he is only human. I would bet that any one of us would have given in to these temptations, given the same circumstances. Anyone who says otherwise is probably full of shite. Like Lorenzo said, until you have walked in another man's shoes...
You're right. When it's hot and it's pursuing you, come talk to me about judging others that are in that situation constantly.
This is so true. It's living hell for me.
Where is the GR poll about whether Tiger's image is enhanced from his infidelity?
I think Tiger is going to get reamed in the mainstream media for several months, but the golf media will continue to kiss his ass and sweep it under the rug. He's still a gravy train for them.
Zo, how did your boy do last week?
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This is so true. It's living hell for me.
Where is the GR poll about whether Tiger's image is enhanced from his infidelity?
I think Tiger is going to get reamed in the mainstream media for several months, but the golf media will continue to kiss his ass and sweep it under the rug. He's still a gravy train for them.
Zo, how did your boy do last week?
You're right, HB, but there will be many more people added to the list who will be rooting against Tiger in the tournaments. I, for one, will be in that number. I could root for John Daly because he was open about his weaknesses and failures, but Tiger tried to hide them from everyone and pretend to be something he was not. That puts him in the same category as Phil Mickleboobs in my book. That phone call to his mistress about trying to hide the affair from his wife was just pathetic . . . . . . what a b!tchmove.
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You're right, HB, but there will be many more people added to the list who will be rooting against Tiger in the tournaments. I, for one, will be in that number. I could root for John Daly because he was open about his weaknesses and failures, but Tiger tried to hide them from everyone and pretend to be something he was not. That puts him in the same category as Phil Mickleboobs in my book. That phone call to his mistress about trying to hide the affair from his wife was just pathetic . . . . . . what a b!tchmove.
Ya I got home from work yesterday and did a little more digging (wasn't hard) and listened to the voice mail. Man what different kinda guy I heard. He definitely got the pedestal pulled out from under him. Maybe JD could teach a thing or two.....
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Tiger tried to hide them from everyone and pretend to be something he was not. That puts him in the same category as Phil Mickleboobs in my book.
I know it is standard GR practice to love Mizuno, hate Titleist, and bash Moobs at any chance you get, but when has Mickelson "pretended to be something he was not"? There is a common misconception that Moobs grew up with a silver spoon entitlement mentality, but that just is not true. His mom went back to work to help pay for his junior golf. Mickelson is one of the most sincere and genuine players on tour. Sure, I've heard the rumors about his FIGJAM persona, but I've never seen any official report of that. I've only heard 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of this alleged behavior. Please enlighten me...
Personally, I am happy for those who make it big (TW, Jack N, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, famous Doctors etc...) but to me, it's a God-given things.. I would admire those who have almost nothing given to him/her and they make it big... Now, I respect those
I know it is standard GR practice to love Mizuno, hate Titleist, and bash Moobs at any chance you get, but when has Mickelson "pretended to be something he was not"? There is a common misconception that Moobs grew up with a silver spoon entitlement mentality, but that just is not true. His mom went back to work to help pay for his junior golf. Mickelson is one of the most sincere and genuine players on tour. Sure, I've heard the rumors about his FIGJAM persona, but I've never seen any official report of that. I've only heard 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of this alleged behavior. Please enlighten me...
All you have to do is run a "search" on Mickelson in this forum over the last year and you will find all kinds of things. It has been a well discussed topic.
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Yeah, like I said 2nd or 3rd hand accounts of alleged behavior at best. I'd just like to see one verified, credible source to back up these claims. I know it is blasphemy to look for facts or proof when making claims on GR, so I'm not going to press the issue. I just never really understood why people hated Moobs so much...
I would, but a lot of men would. If you have counseled as many marriages as I have, you would quickly learn how infidelity is not worth the 5 minutes it takes to ejaculate.
+1 to this. if Tiger had simply grabbed a jar of vaseline, a towel, & a good porn site he wouldn't be going through all of this. haha
Be glad we aren't getting all of the government we're paying for.
+1 to this. if Tiger had simply grabbed a jar of vaseline, a towel, & a good porn site he wouldn't be going through all of this. haha
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This. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have made the news if Elin had caught him in the shower rubbing one out.
Cheating on the mother of your children with no regard for the consequences to your family is a major selfish BM. Tiger deserves everything he's getting right now... unfortunately his family does not.
The voicemail message is the really telling piece of evidence to me. Had he not been caught he'd still be out creeping. Now, he stands to lose his family and perhaps even half of his estate. Most women can forgive a one night stand, but a 2 1/2 year relationship behind your wife's back while she carries and gives birth to your children is a LOT harder for most women to forgive. I wouldn't be surprised if Elin never forgives him for this.
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Yeah, like I said 2nd or 3rd hand accounts of alleged behavior at best. I'd just like to see one verified, credible source to back up these claims. I know it is blasphemy to look for facts or proof when making claims on GR, so I'm not going to press the issue. I just never really understood why people hated Moobs so much...
Moobs is a fat, fake, shitt eatin grin, pussie. It's indoctrinated into GR lore and cannot be disputed. When a caddie comes out in public and calls a leading golf professional a prick (first hand direct quote, not 2nd or 3rd hand account), I think it can be taken as a given that that person is a prick.
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This. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have made the news if Elin had caught him in the shower rubbing one out.
Cheating on the mother of your children with no regard for the consequences to your family is a major selfish BM. Tiger deserves everything he's getting right now... unfortunately his family does not.
The voicemail message is the really telling piece of evidence to me. Had he not been caught he'd still be out creeping. Now, he stands to lose his family and perhaps even half of his estate. Most women can forgive a one night stand, but a 2 1/2 year relationship behind your wife's back while she carries and gives birth to your children is a LOT harder for most women to forgive. I wouldn't be surprised if Elin never forgives him for this.
FON
Sounds like she may be forgiving him for at least a couple of more years:
Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:07 pm EST
Details of Elin Woods' newly-rewritten prenup emerge
By Jay Busbee
Elin and Tiger Woods had a prenuptial agreement, as expected. The couple is undergoing marital counseling, as you'd also expect. And now The Daily Beast is reporting that Elin Woods is renegotiating that prenup to get an immediate $5 million payout from her husband and as much as $55 million more to stay with him for two more years.
The initial prenup was worth $20 million after 10 years of marriage. However, the Chicago Sun-Times' Bill Zwecker has reported that Elin Woods will receive an immediate payment "into an account she alone controls," and that the 10-year timeframe -- which began when they married in 2004 -- has been shortened and the value increased "substantially."
The Daily Beast quotes "a lawyer familiar with the couple's negotiations" in reporting that the term of the prenup has been shortened to seven years, and that a series of staggered payments could increase the total value to $75 million.
But apparently there's also a behavioral component to all this: Elin Woods must "be a dutiful wife in showing up with him at social events and in public as if they were still the perfect couple, and sign a nondisclosure form that will prevent her from ever telling her story."
It's important to note that to date, there's no concrete evidence that Elin Woods has ever been anything but the perfectly dutiful golf wife. I'm sure the Woodses would like nothing more than to portray domestic calm to the world, and Elin Woods now apparently has several million more reasons to do just that.
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A prenup with a lump sum after a term means the woman is a prostitute. Renegotiating it to shorten the term and increase the amount makes her more of a prositute. Having part of that arrangement involve escorting him makes her a prostitute and an escort.
It's possible this report isn't true as these are private matters. But if it is, I stand by my assessment. True, most prostitutes work only one night at a time but obviously some are available on retainer.
I would, but a lot of men would. If you have counseled as many marriages as I have, you would quickly learn how infidelity is not worth the 5 minutes it takes to ejaculate.
I"m assuming the five minutes includes the drinks and foreplay...
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Looks like wea are about to hear a public statement from Elin forgiving Tiger, and they will play happy family for a couple more years. I doubt that being 'dutiful' would include physical duties, so maybe she is only an escort and not a prostitute.
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Sounds like she may be forgiving him for at least a couple of more years:
Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:07 pm EST
Details of Elin Woods' newly-rewritten prenup emerge
By Jay Busbee
Elin and Tiger Woods had a prenuptial agreement, as expected. The couple is undergoing marital counseling, as you'd also expect. And now The Daily Beast is reporting that Elin Woods is renegotiating that prenup to get an immediate $5 million payout from her husband and as much as $55 million more to stay with him for two more years.
The initial prenup was worth $20 million after 10 years of marriage. However, the Chicago Sun-Times' Bill Zwecker has reported that Elin Woods will receive an immediate payment "into an account she alone controls," and that the 10-year timeframe -- which began when they married in 2004 -- has been shortened and the value increased "substantially."
The Daily Beast quotes "a lawyer familiar with the couple's negotiations" in reporting that the term of the prenup has been shortened to seven years, and that a series of staggered payments could increase the total value to $75 million.
But apparently there's also a behavioral component to all this: Elin Woods must "be a dutiful wife in showing up with him at social events and in public as if they were still the perfect couple, and sign a nondisclosure form that will prevent her from ever telling her story."
It's important to note that to date, there's no concrete evidence that Elin Woods has ever been anything but the perfectly dutiful golf wife. I'm sure the Woodses would like nothing more than to portray domestic calm to the world, and Elin Woods now apparently has several million more reasons to do just that.
This is screwed up. Thanks to the rats from tabloids.
Looks like wea are about to hear a public statement from Elin forgiving Tiger, and they will play happy family for a couple more years. I doubt that being 'dutiful' would include physical duties, so maybe she is only an escort and not a prostitute.
Apparently there were MANY women over those years. Lurid text messages and voice mail will be forthcoming. The tabloids are paying big bucks.
Tiger will get the same "forgiveness" that a child molester does in prison. ALL his sponsors including Nike will start abandoning him--because there will be a MAJOR difference in the way the crowd treats him at his next tournament, presently the San Diego Invitational. He may be booed, and no sponsor can stand that. He is a moron that NOBODY will want their children to admire-like Clinton. There were "morals" clauses in every endorsement contract.
This is screwed up. Thanks to the rats from tabloids.
If you had a son or daughter who aspires to play pro golf, you now hate Tiger like people did Clinton or tennis parents did Jimmy Conners or John McEnroe. A major role model has suddenly become someone parents hate to have their kids admire.
Jasper Parnevic had it right, "she should have used a driver instead of a 3i." "I introduced them because I thought he was a nice guy."
So after all these years of all the other pros trying to figure out ways to beat Tiger, all they had to was get his mobile phone and leak the text messages. Who'd have thunk.
Larry,
You may not wish to hear this, but Bill Clinton sells out public speaking gigs all over the world at 1,000,000 a pop. He has amassed a fortune of over 100 mil since leaving office. That sounds like forgiveness to me. I don't think this will kill Tiger completely. He's going to get some serious heat for a while yet, but as soon as he becomes yesterday's news he will be able to resume some semblance of normality, although I agree it will be interesting to see the reception he gets at his next tournament.
What will also be pathetic will be all the political correctness aimed against him by people who do exactly the same thing but don't get caught. Nobody will be man enough to come out and say "he's done the worng thing, but he is still the same guy I've always known, let's give him a break". Most of his so called friends will wipe him like a dirty arse.
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If you had a son or daughter who aspires to play pro golf, you now hate Tiger like people did Clinton or tennis parents did Jimmy Conners or John McEnroe. A major role model has suddenly become someone parents hate to have their kids admire.
Jasper Parnevic had it right, "she should have used a driver instead of a 3i." "I introduced them because I thought he was a nice guy."
The man is a moron.
Larry
unfortunately, promiscuous is a positive word in my mind at the moment.
Oh, really, Larry? Are you a biblical man, Larry? Let me know and we'll debate theology some time. My wife is very religious and I have studied long and hard to keep up with her and other religious clients that I have to counsel.
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Oh Larry, you old economically- stupid bastard... Tiger IS Nike Golf. If they dropped him, their sales in golf plummet. They're getting a ton of free publicity right now. This country loves two things.. Scandals and winners. He wins, all is right with the world again. Take for example - Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, the entire Dallas Cowboys team in the 1990's, Alex Rodriguez, etc.
Hypothetically, if they drop him, SOMEONE would pick him up for a lot of money. Taylormade, Callaway, Titleist. Three players right off the bat. Most likely Titleist since they can make a blade second to Mizuno. Mizuno just can't afford him.
It's not so much Mizuno couldn't afford him, they just don't need him. They already have the market cornered for the finest forged irons in the game and would not benefit as much from a big name tour player as other OEMs who have to convince the gullible masses to buy their Chinese sweat shop crap.
But you make some very valid points about other high profile sports stars who have been big news one day for infidelities, then fish and chips rapping a week later with nobody giving a toss and fans lining up for their autographs. But Tiger is a bigger name than any of them, and golf is a more conservative sport that may be less inclined to tolerate Tiger's behaviour.
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Mizuno would increase sales significantly if they signed him, I just don't think they can afford him pay him mid 8 figures a year to do so. Best blades in the industry, but they'd bankrupt themselves if they paid him what Nike does. Every time he wins, Nike Golf sales increase. How many hacks do you see with Nike Forged Blades, a TW hat, Nike Driver with Tiger headcover, etc? They can't break 100, but they have a bag worth over 2 grand if they own Driver-wedge Nike, and then buy a Scotty putter. Sadly, old guys don't buy Mizuno clubs right now. They buy the hacks clubs from Adams, Callaway, and Taylormade.
While I agree golf is much more consevative, golf is played by a lot of old people. It's sucks but it's true. Old people really don't give a damn about affairs, they're too busy wishing they could get their junk to work so they could have one too. Case in point - The Villages. Nasty old F*cks who have sex all day with each other. Plus, what he does in his private life and what he does on the course are two different things. They don't pay him that much to be perfect off the course, just to win on Sundays. Performance beats moral clauses.
Apparently there were MANY women over those years. Lurid text messages and voice mail will be forthcoming. The tabloids are paying big bucks.
Tiger will get the same "forgiveness" that a child molester does in prison. ALL his sponsors including Nike will start abandoning him--because there will be a MAJOR difference in the way the crowd treats him at his next tournament, presently the San Diego Invitational. He may be booed, and no sponsor can stand that. He is a moron that NOBODY will want their children to admire-like Clinton. There were "morals" clauses in every endorsement contract.
Larry
I'm sure many sponsors would love to pick him up. Let's see Trojan, Hooters, and, I'm drawing a blank but I'm sure GR could come up with some ideas.
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