A must read for all Scratch and Miura fans.

[oldplayer]

http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/376...anese-forging/

Found this on another forum. Take time to read the whole thread. It contains posts from the head honchos of both Scratch and Miura companies.

[The Purist]

WOW....Very interesting. My gut is telling me there is probably some truth to the TSG article...be it outright misrepresentation or ignorance.

[SoonerBS]

I personally don't know if "TheGolfSpy" forum is legit and reputable in itself, after all, I never saw one reference to anyone calling somebody else a faggot.

I really think Jack Nicholson summed this whole matter up . . . . . . "You can't handle the truth!!"

[indacup]

I saw Chris’s comments last week and have to say I am extremely disappointed in him.

I remember when he started TSG…at that time , his heart and mind seemed in a better place….he was an avid supporter of the upper end Japanese lines and introduced many previously un heard of brands, to the USA.

But as time progressed, he seemed to follow the past of Todd at BSG…where principles, ethics as well as personal and professional integrity were taking a back seat to the almighty dollar.

He was one of the first to provide access to companies like Gauge Design, Miura, Yamaha, Honma, etc…if memory serves me correct, he was also the same person to begin exporting Diamana shafts.

It’s sad to see Chris take this road…it will cause irreversible damage to his business and reputation…I noticed after they presented to Chris Ari’s response, Chris followed it up with statements that all began with “In my opinion”…he already can smell a lawsuit or two a coming.

Plus he didn’t say sh!t about his earlier claims about Miura not doing their own forging now…

He’s basically……painted himself in a corner.

[Pky6471]

If one is interested in "Forging", there are plenty of references in metallurgy text book and reputable websites. It's a way of changing formation if metal grain, similar but not the same as temper glass or steel shafts to improve the strength of final product. Old technology, not much to be improved like a refinery process where people find way to possibly make it more effecient

[dorkman53]

I am disappointed to see this kind of story coming from Chris. I have purchaed multiple products from him and from Ari at Scratch, and have always been more than satisfied with the products received. I highly trust Ari, and have great respect for his products and the service received. I have no reason to doubt Ari's version of the story, and feel that Chris may be out of line here, in my opinion.

[famousdavis]

If you guys switched to Ping Eye 2 irons you wouldn't have to worry about where your irons were forged, what kind of metal they use or whether they stamp them or use an anvil. Ping Eye 2 irons are cast from wax molds by the finest craftsmen in America. Yes, made in America. I'm not talking about the new Ping irons. I'm talking about the original Eye 2 that were made back in the 80's right here in the U.S.A.

[lorenzoinoc]

I am disappointed to see this kind of story coming from Chris. I have purchaed multiple products from him and from Ari at Scratch, and have always been more than satisfied with the products received. I highly trust Ari, and have great respect for his products and the service received. I have no reason to doubt Ari's version of the story, and feel that Chris may be out of line here, in my opinion.

But let's get real, you did overpay significantly for those wedges. Which means Scratch didn't treat you fairly.

Chris is clearly effed. But in his defense, he's obviously pretty stupid.

[ograchens]

Wow thats seems really interesting. Thanks for sharing ...

[The Purist]

Wow thats seems really interesting. Thanks for sharing ...

I would say welcome to forum, but it looks like you joined around the same time I did.

[lorenzoinoc]

I would say welcome to forum, but it looks like you joined around the same time I did.

I hope we don't have to wait another two and a half years to see a post that interesting again.

[Not a hacker]

Not the most riveting first post I've ever read.

[dorkman53]

But let's get real, you did overpay significantly for those wedges. Which means Scratch didn't treat you fairly.

Chris is clearly effed. But in his defense, he's obviously pretty stupid.

Perhaps the fact that the sole grinds on these allow me to regularly make shots I cannot consistently execute with other clubs I have bought makes these a bargain at any price

[lorenzoinoc]

Perhaps the fact that the sole grinds on these allow me to regularly make shots I cannot consistently execute with other clubs I have bought makes these a bargain at any price

I don't know.....I'm still not convinced. That much for a stinking wedge when there are so many good ones available for a fraction of the cost.

[dorkman53]

I don't know.....I'm still not convinced. That much for a stinking wedge when there are so many good ones available for a fraction of the cost.

Play what works for you. I'll do the same.

[Horseballs]

I agree. So a few high end companies that cater exclusively to golf nerds are in an internet hissy fit.

[Mward2002]

They 8620's are 99 dollars. The 1018 are 149, but they give the buyer two options in price. It's still 20 cheaper than a Vokey.

[lorenzoinoc]

They 8620's are 99 dollars. The 1018 are 149, but they give the buyer two options in price. It's still 20 cheaper than a Vokey.

That's not the point.....jeez.

[Mward2002]

I just like the fact you have options in the sole grind. Vokey wedges are tough to find different grinds unless they release a special wedge, and then it's normally higher than 119 for the damn thing. The stock KBS black nickel shaft is also a nice touch.

[indacup]

But let's get real, you did overpay significantly for those wedges. Which means Scratch didn't treat you fairly.

Chris is clearly effed. But in his defense, he's obviously pretty stupid.

The Scratch 8620's are the same price as your MP-R's...(retail vs retail)

We (and Scratch) cannot keep the 8620's in stock...they are that good and with a grind to fit everyone, just a damn good value.... (IMHO)

[lorenzoinoc]

The Scratch 8620's are the same price as your MP-R's...(retail vs retail)

We (and Scratch) cannot keep the 8620's in stock...they are that good and with a grind to fit everyone, just a damn good value.... (IMHO)

Ok fine, I get that. But that's all the more reason it was silly for Dorkie to have paid something like $600 per wedge

[indacup]

Ok fine, I get that. But that's all the more reason it was silly for Dorkie to have paid something like $600 per wedge

Ouch!!!

Holy Mother of Buddah! Who would pay, let ALONE charge $600 for a Scratch Wedge???? Or ANY Wedge????

I recall seeing a set of Honma's about a year ago...a SET for $2,000...and they had gold fill in the heads!

Dork, tell me it ain't so!!!

[lorenzoinoc]

Ouch!!!

Holy Mother of Buddah! Who would pay, let ALONE charge $600 for a Scratch Wedge???? Or ANY Wedge????
I recall seeing a set of Honma's about a year ago...a SET for $2,000...and they had gold fill in the heads!

Dork, tell me it ain't so!!!

That's exactly what I say. I'm concerned for the guy. If his kids find the receipt he'll be killed for insurance money.

[famousdavis]

Dang! I wouldn't pay $600 for a full set of irons. With EBAY I don't understand why anyone would buy something brand new unless they were custom fitted for it. I guess they call it Scratch golf because after the purchase you scratch your head and wonder what the hell you just did. If you want blades, go on Ebay and get a set of Wilson Staff Tour Blade FG-17 irons with a Dynamic R shaft. The regular shaft has the little black band around the shaft. These irons feel better than any forging I've ever tried. I want to try the FG59 but I'm waiting for the price to come down.

[Kiwi Player]

Ouch!!!

Holy Mother of Buddah! Who would pay, let ALONE charge $600 for a Scratch Wedge???? Or ANY Wedge????

I recall seeing a set of Honma's about a year ago...a SET for $2,000...and they had gold fill in the heads!

Dork, tell me it ain't so!!!

Wasn't it more like $350 for the Tour Custom Wedges with Dorky's special personalized grind?

But DM is bagging three of them these days so that makes ... yikes ... I'll let you do the math.

[SoonerBS]

Dang! I wouldn't pay $600 for a full set of irons. With EBAY I don't understand why anyone would buy something brand new unless they were custom fitted for it. I guess they call it Scratch golf because after the purchase you scratch your head and wonder what the hell you just did. If you want blades, go on Ebay and get a set of Wilson Staff Tour Blade FG-17 irons with a Dynamic R shaft. The regular shaft has the little black band around the shaft. These irons feel better than any forging I've ever tried. I want to try the FG59 but I'm waiting for the price to come down.

Cheap bastard . . . . .

[lorenzoinoc]

Wasn't it more like $350 for the Tour Custom Wedges with Dorky's special personalized grind?

But DM is bagging three of them these days so that makes ... yikes ... I'll let you do the math.

Figured you'd correct me on this. $350...$600...$1,050...$1,800....what's the difference?

[Mward2002]

He paid 600 a wedge? Holy ****.e dude why? I know they have the true tour custom experience and all that BS but wow man.. 4 simple questions and I had my grind type. Give me one of those and maybe a phone call to make sure they helped me decide between 52,58, 54,60 etc and pull the trigger. You could have had 2 wedges and a few hookers and still been less than 600.

[lorenzoinoc]

He paid 600 a wedge? Holy ****.e dude why? I know they have the true tour custom experience and all that BS but wow man.. 4 simple questions and I had my grind type. Give me one of those and maybe a phone call to make sure they helped me decide between 52,58, 54,60 etc and pull the trigger. You could have had 2 wedges and a few hookers and still been less than 600.

I know, it's very difficult to make sense of it. I'd rather light a fire with $20-s.

[SoonerBS]

I know, it's very difficult to make sense of it. I'd rather light a fire with $20-s.

Or stick them in a stripper's twat . . . . . .

[famousdavis]

The opportunity cost of a $600 wedge:
20 table dances plus tips
A round at pebble beach including a stay at the lodge
2,400 games of Pac Man
300 Vente size regular coffees at Starbucks
20-year Golfworld subscription

[lorenzoinoc]

The opportunity cost of a $600 wedge:
20 table dances plus tips
A round at pebble beach including a stay at the lodge
2,400 games of Pac Man
300 Vente size regular coffees at Starbucks
20-year Golfworld subscription

Or a hand job from Hillary Clinton plus a brand new set of Taylor Made irons.

[dorkman53]

He paid 600 a wedge? Holy ****.e dude why? I know they have the true tour custom experience and all that BS but wow man.. 4 simple questions and I had my grind type. Give me one of those and maybe a phone call to make sure they helped me decide between 52,58, 54,60 etc and pull the trigger. You could have had 2 wedges and a few hookers and still been less than 600.

You're way off base on the prices. I have two totally custom wedges which were about $300+/ wedge, and one that is not totally custom, which was considerably less. They allow me to make shots I can't with many other brands I've tried, so I guess it's my business if I want to pay more than you. I can afford it.
I've bought Clevelands, Vokeys, Feel, Mizuno, some high end Japanese wedge I can't even recall the brand, and a few others. Scratch gives me what I can't get anywhere else, and I'll pay for them.
Feel free to buy whatever works. If I wanted to pay $1000/wedge, what is that to you?

[spanqdoggie]

You're way off base on the prices. I have two totally custom wedges which were about $300+/ wedge, and one that is not totally custom, which was considerably less. They allow me to make shots I can't with many other brands I've tried, so I guess it's my business if I want to pay more than you. I can afford it.
I've bought Clevelands, Vokeys, Feel, Mizuno, some high end Japanese wedge I can't even recall the brand, and a few others. Scratch gives me what I can't get anywhere else, and I'll pay for them.
Feel free to buy whatever works. If I wanted to pay $1000/wedge, what is that to you?

As long as you realize that steel is steel, and there really is no difference, jackass.

But I understand where you are coming from. I have a Snake Eye 52 gap wedge that I love so much; like butter everytime I hit it...

Someone gave it to me. I forgot who.

Yes, I have spent a lot of money on clubs, but that was a phase; I work a $10 (balanced) putter, and a 3 wood steelhead for my 'driver' biatches.

Dorky, you paid the money, and that influenced your brain, so you used the wedges a lot, and got really comfortable with them; it also justified the money you spent. I believe they work for you, and they must feel good.

In the real scheme of things, a thousand bucks is not a lot of money to spend on over priced crap/wedges.

If dorky want to drop a grand on some cheap ass wedges, I am all for it.

[noshuz]

You're way off base on the prices. I have two totally custom wedges which were about $300+/ wedge, and one that is not totally custom, which was considerably less. They allow me to make shots I can't with many other brands I've tried, so I guess it's my business if I want to pay more than you. I can afford it.
I've bought Clevelands, Vokeys, Feel, Mizuno, some high end Japanese wedge I can't even recall the brand, and a few others. Scratch gives me what I can't get anywhere else, and I'll pay for them.
Feel free to buy whatever works. If I wanted to pay $1000/wedge, what is that to you?

That's just BS. Somebody snowed yer arse dorky

[famousdavis]

As long as you realize that steel is steel, and there really is no difference, jackass.

But I understand where you are coming from. I have a Snake Eye 52 gap wedge that I love so much; like butter everytime I hit it...

Someone gave it to me. I forgot who.

Yes, I have spent a lot of money on clubs, but that was a phase; I work a $10 (balanced) putter, and a 3 wood steelhead for my 'driver' biatches.

Dorky, you paid the money, and that influenced your brain, so you used the wedges a lot, and got really comfortable with them; it also justified the money you spent. I believe they work for you, and they must feel good.

In the real scheme of things, a thousand bucks is not a lot of money to spend on over priced crap/wedges.

If dorky want to drop a grand on some cheap ass wedges, I am all for it.

I have the Steelhead 3 wood as well. Actually, it's the 13 degree model. Best 3 wood I've ever hit. It's almost as long as my driver.

[Mward2002]

You could probably get calf implants for 600 dollars.

[dorkman53]

That's just BS. Somebody snowed yer arse dorky

Say what you want. If you haven't played them, you are speaking from a lack of knowledge. But that never stopped anybody on this board from offering an uneducated opinion on any subject, so there's no need for anybody to change course now.....
What you also get when you contact Scratch is personal advice from an expert, who knows "just a little more" than ANY sales rep I've ever encountered in any other club purchase. When you contact them about a custom club purchase, you'll interact (by phone or e-mail) with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and knows it in great depth. More than once they have offered very helpful and effective suggestions that were different than what I originally thought I needed. That's the beauty of a small but innovative company.
Keep buying the OEM stuff. It's designed for the masses, and the designs are full of compromises to try to appeal to the greatest number. You won't get a design that specifically matches your swing and typical course conditions, but one that sort of matches a lot of people's swings and course conditions. These clubs are the best I've ever hit out of bunkers, and are BY FAR the easiest and most dependable for occasional flop shots vs. anything I've ever used.
I speak from experience. You speak from ignorance and perhaps a bit of jealousy. Carry on.....

[noshuz]

Say what you want. If you haven't played them, you are speaking from a lack of knowledge. But that never stopped anybody on this board from offering an uneducated opinion on any subject, so there's no need for anybody to change course now.....
What you also get when you contact Scratch is personal advice from an expert, who knows "just a little more" than ANY sales rep I've ever encountered in any other club purchase. When you contact them about a custom club purchase, you'll interact (by phone or e-mail) with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and knows it in great depth. More than once they have offered very helpful and effective suggestions that were different than what I originally thought I needed. That's the beauty of a small but innovative company.
Keep buying the OEM stuff. It's designed for the masses, and the designs are full of compromises to try to appeal to the greatest number. You won't get a design that specifically matches your swing and typical course conditions, but one that sort of matches a lot of people's swings and course conditions. These clubs are the best I've ever hit out of bunkers, and are BY FAR the easiest and most dependable for occasional flop shots vs. anything I've ever used.
I speak from experience. You speak from ignorance and perhaps a bit of jealousy. Carry on.....

I've just learned that it's more "the player" than "the magical club" Just like guitars. It's what you do with more than what It does for you .......I'm just sayin'.......

[famousdavis]

Say what you want. If you haven't played them, you are speaking from a lack of knowledge. But that never stopped anybody on this board from offering an uneducated opinion on any subject, so there's no need for anybody to change course now.....
What you also get when you contact Scratch is personal advice from an expert, who knows "just a little more" than ANY sales rep I've ever encountered in any other club purchase. When you contact them about a custom club purchase, you'll interact (by phone or e-mail) with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and knows it in great depth. More than once they have offered very helpful and effective suggestions that were different than what I originally thought I needed. That's the beauty of a small but innovative company.
Keep buying the OEM stuff. It's designed for the masses, and the designs are full of compromises to try to appeal to the greatest number. You won't get a design that specifically matches your swing and typical course conditions, but one that sort of matches a lot of people's swings and course conditions. These clubs are the best I've ever hit out of bunkers, and are BY FAR the easiest and most dependable for occasional flop shots vs. anything I've ever used.
I speak from experience. You speak from ignorance and perhaps a bit of jealousy. Carry on.....

OK, so when you buy a $600 wedge from scratch golf you get to talk to someone in person who knows what they are talking about. I can just imagine the conversation.

Scratch: "Sir, what are you looking for in a sand wedge?"
Customer: "Well, I need it when I'm in the sand"
Scratch: "So what you're saying is that you want a club that will effectively get you out of the sand?".
Customer: "Yes, and I want my sand shots to end up close to the hole or in the hole every time".
Scratch: "I think we can help you sir. We have a club that's $600 but it's really made for people who really want to get close to the hole from the sand.
Customer: "Oh, that would defintely be me"
Scratch: "We've designed it for people just like you"
Customer: "I feel like you really care about me and my game"
Scratch: "We care a great deal about you, as far as you know"

[Horseballs]

OK, so when you buy a $600 wedge from scratch golf you get to talk to someone in person who knows what they are talking about. I can just imagine the conversation.

Scratch: "Sir, what are you looking for in a sand wedge?"
Customer: "Well, I need it when I'm in the sand"
Scratch: "So what you're saying is that you want a club that will effectively get you out of the sand?".
Customer: "Yes, and I want my sand shots to end up close to the hole or in the hole every time".
Scratch: "I think we can help you sir. We have a club that's $600 but it's really made for people who really want to get close to the hole from the sand.
Customer: "Oh, that would defintely be me"
Scratch: "We've designed it for people just like you"
Customer: "I feel like you really care about me and my game"
Scratch: "We care a great deal about you, as far as you know"

Or...
Caller: I'm a 12 handicap who is unhappy with the grind and bounce options available from club manufacturers.
Scratch: What are you looking for?
Caller: No idea, but I'd like it to cost $600.
Scratch: We'll make you up a special wedge.
Hangup.
Scratch to wife later: Some 10 handicap thinks a special grind is going to help his game so I charged him $600 for a club that needs to be replaced every year.
Wife: Hilarious! Pass me another lobster tail, sweetie.

[noshuz]

HA! you phuckerz nailed it!!!...............

[lorenzoinoc]

Or perhaps like this:

Customer: Do I really need to spend $600 for a wedge?
Scratch: Yes, hold on, I got another call.
Other Caller: Ok, then, that'll be $10,000 for the weekend, but you'll get whatever you want as much as you want.
Scratch: Just make sure you send the redhead.
Scratch to Customer: Listen d.ickhead, I've got hookers on the other line, do you want them or not?
Customer: Well there are so many wedges out there, I can grind them myself, isn't there something similar for $75?
Scratch: No.
Customer: Ok, I'll take 3.

[famousdavis]

Or perhaps like this:

Customer: Do I really need to spend $600 for a wedge?
Scratch: Yes, hold on, I got another call.
Other Caller: Ok, then, that'll be $10,000 for the weekend, but you'll get whatever you want as much as you want.
Scratch: Just make sure you send the redhead.
Scratch to Customer: Listen d.ickhead, I've got hookers on the other line, do you want them or not?
Customer: Well there are so many wedges out there, I can grind them myself, isn't there something similar for $75?
Scratch: No.
Customer: Ok, I'll take 3.

Other caller: Should we bring the Gimp?

[Mward2002]

I've got no problem if you wanna spend 300 a wedge. I'd just like to hit even their 8620 model before I drop money on it. They're still too small to be in most shops so you're buying on a complete whim imo. What do you do if the setup they reccomend is wrong for you? Free return and try again?

[dorkman53]

OK, so when you buy a $600 wedge from scratch golf you get to talk to someone in person who knows what they are talking about. I can just imagine the conversation.

Scratch: "Sir, what are you looking for in a sand wedge?"
Customer: "Well, I need it when I'm in the sand"
Scratch: "So what you're saying is that you want a club that will effectively get you out of the sand?".
Customer: "Yes, and I want my sand shots to end up close to the hole or in the hole every time".
Scratch: "I think we can help you sir. We have a club that's $600 but it's really made for people who really want to get close to the hole from the sand.
Customer: "Oh, that would defintely be me"
Scratch: "We've designed it for people just like you"
Customer: "I feel like you really care about me and my game"
Scratch: "We care a great deal about you, as far as you know"

Where did this $600/wedge nonsense get started??!!

They are nowhere near that expensive. This $600/wedge idiocy is taking on a life of its own. It's totally nonsense and bogus.

Who started this myth?

By the way, they now offer cast wedges, still from soft steel, still with semi-custom sole grinds, for $99.

[Not a hacker]

Dorky, you should have known better than to take the GR peanut gallery on with this one. You were taking on a full house while holding a pair of twos.

[lorenzoinoc]

Where did this $600/wedge nonsense get started??!!

They are nowhere near that expensive. This $600/wedge idiocy is taking on a life of its own. It's totally nonsense and bogus.

Who started this myth?

By the way, they now offer cast wedges, still from soft steel, still with semi-custom sole grinds, for $99.

Once you're at the $450 level, you might as well be at $1,000. I'd prefer to get one for $90 and then bang it against something unitl it's completely custom. Maybe grind some s.hit off it.

Why, I'm gonna start my own brand. Maybe call them Bubba Zo's Wedges. I'll have three lines. Identical except for the price and name. The cheapest will be called Sucker. That'll cost around $250. The next one I'll call Jump Into the Boat Ya Moeron. Maybe get $450 for that one. The last line I'll call Blow Job. No man can resist a Blow Job. Maybe the slogan will be "not the same old bounce and grind." Hard to set price on that one yet. What the hell $999.

[famousdavis]

Once you're at the $450 level, you might as well be at $1,000. I'd prefer to get one for $90 and then bang it against something unitl it's completely custom. Maybe grind some s.hit off it.

Why, I'm gonna start my own brand. Maybe call them Bubba Zo's Wedges. I'll have three lines. Identical except for the price and name. The cheapest will be called Sucker. That'll cost around $250. The next one I'll call Jump Into the Boat Ya Moeron. Maybe get $450 for that one. The last line I'll call Blow Job. No man can resist a Blow Job. Maybe the slogan will be "not the same old bounce and grind." Hard to set price on that one yet. What the hell $999.

Lorenzo,

I never noticed that you play KZG ZO blades. How do you like them? I've thought about buying them because I like the look. The lofts are traditional, no?

[dorkman53]

I've got no problem if you wanna spend 300 a wedge. I'd just like to hit even their 8620 model before I drop money on it. They're still too small to be in most shops so you're buying on a complete whim imo. What do you do if the setup they reccomend is wrong for you? Free return and try again?

Give them an honest assessment of your swingtype and typical course conditions, and you won't go wrong, at least in my experience. Tell them what you like about particular wedges and what you don't like. They deal with these issues on a daily basis, and offer helpful advice.

[lorenzoinoc]

Lorenzo,

I never noticed that you play KZG ZO blades. How do you like them? I've thought about buying them because I like the look. The lofts are traditional, no?

I'm really happy with them. I've found that in the right hands they're like precision surgical instruments. Since I got them, I've been knocking down all the pins.

They look very blade like but not hard to hit at all. Since I've had them I've considered cavity back design to be hogwash. Normally I'd be ready to start looking for new irons but when these wear out I plan on getting the same thing. Lofts are what you'd expect for forged.

[Not a hacker]

Give them an honest assessment of your swingtype and typical course conditions, and you won't go wrong, at least in my experience. Tell them what you like about particular wedges and what you don't like. They deal with these issues on a daily basis, and offer helpful advice.

And then give them $600 per wedge.

[dorkman53]

Dorky, you should have known better than to take the GR peanut gallery on with this one. You were taking on a full house while holding a pair of twos.

I've definitely gotten to the point of throwing pearls before the swine on this one.

If people want to play their "designed for nobody in particular clubs," and are getting good results with them, fine.

I've benefitted greatly from these clubs in terms of consistency of bunker shots in various bunker conditions from hardpan to fluffy sand and lies. I can choose among three sole designs depending on bunker conditions, and get predictable results. I can hit flop shots with any of the three, and this was NOT the case with some of the other wedges I've used. I can also choose between different grinds for shots around the green, depending on the lie. It wasn't a matter of just practicing and adapting my swing to the club. The results were dramatic and immediate, not a result of grinding it out on the range or simply a psychological benefit. Those psychological benefits with new clubs never result in lasting benefits, in my experience.

[lorenzoinoc]

I have to hand it to the guys that market this kind of stuff. I'm going to need a whole team of them working for me at Bubba Zo's.

Dorkie, little do you know you've actually been writing my sales verbage for me. Maybe I could interest you in my premium model, Blow Job. When you perform a cut lob with a Blow Job, you never have to worry about glare. The chrome will have all been sucked off by one of our female specialists.

[spanqdoggie]

I've definitely gotten to the point of throwing pearls before the swine on this one.

If people want to play their "designed for nobody in particular clubs," and are getting good results with them, fine.

I've benefitted greatly from these clubs in terms of consistency of bunker shots in various bunker conditions from hardpan to fluffy sand and lies. I can choose among three sole designs depending on bunker conditions, and get predictable results. I can hit flop shots with any of the three, and this was NOT the case with some of the other wedges I've used. I can also choose between different grinds for shots around the green, depending on the lie. It wasn't a matter of just practicing and adapting my swing to the club. The results were dramatic and immediate, not a result of grinding it out on the range or simply a psychological benefit. Those psychological benefits with new clubs never result in lasting benefits, in my experience.

Dude, we are all human, and our brains can trick us in many areas of life.

I was in Napa for one of my biannual vacation trips/vacation 35 miles north to different wineries. So the seminar teacher at Joseph Phelps had us all try to guess what twelve different smells, smelled like (tough to do, but one got all twelve right). All twelve scents looked the same; like water, so we could not be biased by smell or taste. Very confusing without a hint of what something is.

He also mentioned that when red wine was given in a black bottle, so one could tell the color, most people cannot tell if it is red or white; can you believe that?

A master Sommelier can taste any wine (there are only 171 master Sommeliers in the world) and tell the region of the world, the vintage, including the year, just from a sip.

Dorky, if you are happy with them, then that is good, but if someone grabbed a $5 wedge and your $600 wedge, and reversed the price, you would think the $5 wedge was better.

Dorky, your brain needs to justify the cost; you are biased by the placebo, and we all know that placebos work in the real world.

Your placebo is the price of the wedge, and why you swing it better.

You are swinging a placebo wedge.

...not anything better or worse than any other, to such an extreme as you describe.

Try staying away from the peyote.

Jackass,

spank

[SoonerBS]

Dude, we are all human, and our brains can trick us in many areas of life.

I was in Napa for one of my biannual vacation trips/vacation 35 miles north to different wineries. So the seminar teacher at Joseph Phelps had us all try to guess what twelve different smells, smelled like (tough to do, but one got all twelve right). All twelve scents looked the same; like water, so we could not be biased by smell or taste. Very confusing without a hint of what something is.

He also mentioned that when red wine was given in a black bottle, so one could tell the color, most people cannot tell if it is red or white; can you believe that?

A master Sommelier can taste any wine (there are only 171 master Sommeliers in the world) and tell the region of the world, the vintage, including the year, just from a sip.

Dorky, if you are happy with them, then that is good, but if someone grabbed a $5 wedge and your $600 wedge, and reversed the price, you would think the $5 wedge was better.

Dorky, your brain needs to justify the cost; you are biased by the placebo, and we all know that placebos work in the real world.

Your placebo is the price of the wedge, and why you swing it better.

You are swinging a placebo wedge.

...not anything better or worse than any other, to such an extreme as you describe.

Try staying away from the peyote.

Jackass,

spank

Wine testing seminar, huh? Are you on vacation, Spank, or do you just get into that sort of thing? Did you wife drag you to it? Did you have to go in order to score some kooch? It's OK if you did, score the kooch any way you can I say.

I wish they had some Irish whiskey tasting seminars somewhere close . . . . . .

[FreakOfNature]

Dude, we are all human, and our brains can trick us in many areas of life.

I was in Napa for one of my biannual vacation trips/vacation 35 miles north to different wineries. So the seminar teacher at Joseph Phelps had us all try to guess what twelve different smells, smelled like (tough to do, but one got all twelve right). All twelve scents looked the same; like water, so we could not be biased by smell or taste. Very confusing without a hint of what something is.

He also mentioned that when red wine was given in a black bottle, so one could tell the color, most people cannot tell if it is red or white; can you believe that?

A master Sommelier can taste any wine (there are only 171 master Sommeliers in the world) and tell the region of the world, the vintage, including the year, just from a sip.

Dorky, if you are happy with them, then that is good, but if someone grabbed a $5 wedge and your $600 wedge, and reversed the price, you would think the $5 wedge was better.

Dorky, your brain needs to justify the cost; you are biased by the placebo, and we all know that placebos work in the real world.

Your placebo is the price of the wedge, and why you swing it better.

You are swinging a placebo wedge.

...not anything better or worse than any other, to such an extreme as you describe.

Try staying away from the peyote.

Jackass,

spank

Psychology is a bunch of gobbledygook. Psychologists are the mental equivalent of chiropractors. They don't know jack, and aren't afraid to try it on you...

Cue Sooner biting on this obvious trolling attempt... lol

FON

[Not a hacker]

Dude, we are all human, and our brains can trick us in many areas of life.

I was in Napa for one of my biannual vacation trips/vacation 35 miles north to different wineries. So the seminar teacher at Joseph Phelps had us all try to guess what twelve different smells, smelled like (tough to do, but one got all twelve right). All twelve scents looked the same; like water, so we could not be biased by smell or taste. Very confusing without a hint of what something is.

He also mentioned that when red wine was given in a black bottle, so one could tell the color, most people cannot tell if it is red or white; can you believe that?

A master Sommelier can taste any wine (there are only 171 master Sommeliers in the world) and tell the region of the world, the vintage, including the year, just from a sip.

Dorky, if you are happy with them, then that is good, but if someone grabbed a $5 wedge and your $600 wedge, and reversed the price, you would think the $5 wedge was better.

Dorky, your brain needs to justify the cost; you are biased by the placebo, and we all know that placebos work in the real world.

Your placebo is the price of the wedge, and why you swing it better.

You are swinging a placebo wedge.

...not anything better or worse than any other, to such an extreme as you describe.

Try staying away from the peyote.

Jackass,

spank

Spank, you are going surprisingly easy on your old sparring partner here. Your restraint in not kicking Dorky when he's down is admirable. He has been completely owned on this thread by all and sundry, and is now officially Zo's biatch. Sparing him another online whomping when he is so asking for one is surprisingly generous.

[dorkman53]

This thread is taking on a comical nature, reminding me of one of the scenes from a Monty Python movie, where the ignorant villagers keep repeating the same untruths in mob spirit, despite all attempts to correct them of their stupidity.

I am continuing to be amused at the insistence by some that there are no benefits for anybody to play these clubs, and that anyone who pays a premium for them is obviously a dupe. I wonder why it is that MANY professional players on multiple tours choose to play Scratch wedges despite receiving absolutely no compensation for using them. The OEM's pay the players to use their products. Scratch only has financial arrangements with a very few players. Most use them because they are trying to WIN, and find an advantage in using these products.

The repeated mentioning of the "$600 wedge" demonstrates not only gross ignorance, but also a failure to comprehend the English language. The insistence that any perceived benefit is only due to being duped and subject to suggestion by a snake oil salesman is so absurd as to defy belief. I used to be a major club ho. I have finally found a series of clubs that work for me with a large margin over those I've used before. I'm scoring better than at any time in my life. After spending a lot of money on products that either only worked for a while, or didn't work well at all, I've finally gotten an entire bag that works in my hands. Many of my choices are expensive. Some are quite inexpensive, and work a lot better than some of the more costly items I've used. I'm smart enough to know that just because a club is expensive doesn't mean it will perform. I've done well with some inexpensive clubs, and been disappointed with some expensive clubs, and vice versa. I'm not buying any new clubs soon, and saving money in the process vs. continually ho-ing clubs in the elusive search for something that works.

For people to discount my account without any basis in fact, logic, or personal experience is a demonstration of stupid mob mentality. Everybody starts shouting, though they have no idea what they are talking about.

Revel in your ignorance. Enjoy your herd mentality OEM's.

[spanqdoggie]

Wine testing seminar, huh? Are you on vacation, Spank, or do you just get into that sort of thing? Did you wife drag you to it? Did you have to go in order to score some kooch? It's OK if you did, score the kooch any way you can I say.

I wish they had some Irish whiskey tasting seminars somewhere close . . . . . .

Funny you mention that... I am hitting Ireland, Wales, and Scotland in 6 months with a few days in London thrown in... I am going to bounce into the Scotch and Guinness tours of course.

No, the wine tasting thing was cool; you would have to have been born and raised here to appreciate it I guess; Sooner, you can tell me about your Budweiser/Coors tour another time. My idea to do it as my wife doesn't drink much; she loves the spa crap.

I did golf in Napa also while the wife hit the spa. I golf and my wife does the spa. It works out perfect.

Well I golfed at Paradise Valley in Fairfield; Kennedy and Chardonnay were in poor condition.

Gorgeous at Paradise Valley, albeit windy as hell! They are apparently in a rain shadow so the fairways and greens are pristine.

I shot an honest 113; hit the ball beautifully... Greatest golf I have ever played. The 3 wood was long and straight. I never used my driver, thus the low score. I cannot hit my driver for the life of me.

My 52 degree gap wedge (snake eyes) was dropping 3 feet from the pin... I got a couple of 11's and a 12, and a 9 that kind of messed with my score.

I am starting to think that maybe the shaft does make a difference. I used the Calloway 3 wood with the steel shaft. Why should I hit all steel shafts and then a graphite piece of crap on a driver?

I am looking to buy a Calloway Big Bertha with a steel shaft.

Graphite is for b!tches. I could probably beat 98 percent of all golfers on this forum.

I just want consistency, as I am improving quite a bit lately.

spank

[FreakOfNature]

This thread is taking on a comical nature, reminding me of one of the scenes from a Monty Python movie, where the ignorant villagers keep repeating the same untruths in mob spirit, despite all attempts to correct them of their stupidity.

I am continuing to be amused at the insistence by some that there are no benefits for anybody to play these clubs, and that anyone who pays a premium for them is obviously a dupe. I wonder why it is that MANY professional players on multiple tours choose to play Scratch wedges despite receiving absolutely no compensation for using them. The OEM's pay the players to use their products. Scratch only has financial arrangements with a very few players. Most use them because they are trying to WIN, and find an advantage in using these products.

The repeated mentioning of the "$600 wedge" demonstrates not only gross ignorance, but also a failure to comprehend the English language. The insistence that any perceived benefit is only due to being duped and subject to suggestion by a snake oil salesman is so absurd as to defy belief. I used to be a major club ho. I have finally found a series of clubs that work for me with a large margin over those I've used before. I'm scoring better than at any time in my life. After spending a lot of money on products that either only worked for a while, or didn't work well at all, I've finally gotten an entire bag that works in my hands. Many of my choices are expensive. Some are quite inexpensive, and work a lot better than some of the more costly items I've used. I'm smart enough to know that just because a club is expensive doesn't mean it will perform. I've done well with some inexpensive clubs, and been disappointed with some expensive clubs, and vice versa. I'm not buying any new clubs soon, and saving money in the process vs. continually ho-ing clubs in the elusive search for something that works.

For people to discount my account without any basis in fact, logic, or personal experience is a demonstration of stupid mob mentality. Everybody starts shouting, though they have no idea what they are talking about.

Revel in your ignorance. Enjoy your herd mentality OEM's.

If I said the same types of thing about my TM MB's, you'd take great pleasure in calling me a fan-boy, no doubt... The truth is I could say most of these things about them - I have enough experience with them to make the same sorts of claims. They work really well for me - that seems to be all that is required to become an authority on a certain brand or club, judging by the evidence in this thread thus far...

You sound like a fan-boy, not an unbiased and informed consumer - like you seem to think. Seriously - how many shots have you dropped off your handicap since bagging the Scratch clubs? One? Two? None at all? Isn't 4 shots the measuring stick around here?

In all honestly - if I start shooting an average of one or two shots better per round, it's kind of a crapshoot pinning down the exact reason I made one more putt one round, or hit one more green another round, or hit a couple extra fairways on another round. You seem pretty eager to give your clubs all the credit for your improvement. I wouldn't be so quick to call people ignorant when you likely can't even pinpoint the true cause of your own improvement...

You suffer at LEAST as much as the rest of us from post-purchase validation syndrome. Hey - nobody here has a problem with that... unless you're trying to deny it. I've blown $2500+ on the contents of my bag... and IMO it's the best $2500 I've ever spent on my golf game. You don't need to feel ashamed for spending a lot of money on stuff... unless it really doesn't help you out all that much.

Maybe if you invested in some irons that kept you out of the rough and out of bunkers a bit more often you wouldn't need "super-wedges" to save your a$$...

I'm off to buy a Ferrari so I can get my ice cream home from the grocery store before it melts from now on. I absolutely NEED a Ferrari... because of how far away from the grocery store I live.



FON

[spanqdoggie]

This thread is taking on a comical nature, reminding me of one of the scenes from a Monty Python movie, where the ignorant villagers keep repeating the same untruths in mob spirit, despite all attempts to correct them of their stupidity.

I am continuing to be amused at the insistence by some that there are no benefits for anybody to play these clubs, and that anyone who pays a premium for them is obviously a dupe. I wonder why it is that MANY professional players on multiple tours choose to play Scratch wedges despite receiving absolutely no compensation for using them. The OEM's pay the players to use their products. Scratch only has financial arrangements with a very few players. Most use them because they are trying to WIN, and find an advantage in using these products.

The repeated mentioning of the "$600 wedge" demonstrates not only gross ignorance, but also a failure to comprehend the English language. The insistence that any perceived benefit is only due to being duped and subject to suggestion by a snake oil salesman is so absurd as to defy belief. I used to be a major club ho. I have finally found a series of clubs that work for me with a large margin over those I've used before. I'm scoring better than at any time in my life. After spending a lot of money on products that either only worked for a while, or didn't work well at all, I've finally gotten an entire bag that works in my hands. Many of my choices are expensive. Some are quite inexpensive, and work a lot better than some of the more costly items I've used. I'm smart enough to know that just because a club is expensive doesn't mean it will perform. I've done well with some inexpensive clubs, and been disappointed with some expensive clubs, and vice versa. I'm not buying any new clubs soon, and saving money in the process vs. continually ho-ing clubs in the elusive search for something that works.

For people to discount my account without any basis in fact, logic, or personal experience is a demonstration of stupid mob mentality. Everybody starts shouting, though they have no idea what they are talking about.

Revel in your ignorance. Enjoy your herd mentality OEM's.

[dorkman53]

Exhibit #1

[SoonerBS]

Funny you mention that... I am hitting Ireland, Wales, and Scotland in 6 months with a few days in London thrown in... I am going to bounce into the Scotch and Guinness tours of course.

No, the wine tasting thing was cool; you would have to have been born and raised here to appreciate it I guess; Sooner, you can tell me about your Budweiser/Coors tour another time. My idea to do it as my wife doesn't drink much; she loves the spa crap.

I did golf in Napa also while the wife hit the spa. I golf and my wife does the spa. It works out perfect.

Well I golfed at Paradise Valley in Fairfield; Kennedy and Chardonnay were in poor condition.

Gorgeous at Paradise Valley, albeit windy as hell! They are apparently in a rain shadow so the fairways and greens are pristine.

I shot an honest 113; hit the ball beautifully... Greatest golf I have ever played. The 3 wood was long and straight. I never used my driver, thus the low score. I cannot hit my driver for the life of me.

My 52 degree gap wedge (snake eyes) was dropping 3 feet from the pin... I got a couple of 11's and a 12, and a 9 that kind of messed with my score.

I am starting to think that maybe the shaft does make a difference. I used the Calloway 3 wood with the steel shaft. Why should I hit all steel shafts and then a graphite piece of crap on a driver?

I am looking to buy a Calloway Big Bertha with a steel shaft.

Graphite is for b!tches. I could probably beat 98 percent of all golfers on this forum.

I just want consistency, as I am improving quite a bit lately.

spank

While you are on your International tour, drink some Jameson in my memory. If that is a wee bit too strong for your liking, drink some Bushmill which goes down very smooth. I also like some Kilbeggan, Powers and Tullamore Dew on occasion. Now, if your talking Scotch, we'll have to cover that another night.

Hillbillies and their bourbon whiskey around here don't know shite about taste . . . . . nice flame on the "Budweiser/Coors" thing though, but I'd rather drink my own piss than to waste my time with that domestic shite.

[Home-slicer]

Dorkman,
I have stayed out of this one because if you like them and can afford them, I could really give a shite. I have paid what some people would say is too much for music equipment, but it's what I wanted, and I liked it and I would have payed more in some cases.
Having said that, some boutique stuff is total garbage as I am sure is not the case for your wedges.
I do have to ask, though, what specific shots could you not hit consistantly with a cleveland wedge that you can hit with regularity with the scratch wedges that has shaved the traditional 4 strokes off your cap?
I agree with FON that you might be giving those wedges too much credit.

[Home-slicer]

I've blown $2500+ on the contents of my bag... and IMO it's the best $2500 I've ever spent on my golf game. FON

I hope, for your sake, that a $1500 sack of diamonds is one of the items in your bag.

[noshuz]

Dorkman,
I have stayed out of this one because if you like them and can afford them, I could really give a shite. I have paid what some people would say is too much for music equipment, but it's what I wanted, and I liked it and I would have payed more in some cases.
Having said that, some boutique stuff is total garbage as I am sure is not the case for your wedges.
I do have to ask, though, what specific shots could you not hit consistantly with a cleveland wedge that you can hit with regularity with the scratch wedges that has shaved the traditional 4 strokes off your cap?
I agree with FON that you might be giving those wedges too much credit.

So have I. What did ya get?

[Home-slicer]

So have I. What did ya get?

I bought a Warmoth strat body and neck and had a friend of mine who is a luthier do the paint and assembly. When all was said and done it was way more $ than a Fender but it was also alot nicer than any fender you would get off the shelf. I had another friend, who does amp repair and builds custom amps in his spare time, build me an amp that is essentially a replica of an old Fender blackface delux.( guts-wise anyway, it doesn't look like a Fender.)
I also have a Mesa 100W head. (the dual recto Trem-O-Verb)
and a 50W Mesa Single Recto Combo.
All of which most people would say are overpriced.
I also had a pedalboard custom built with a bunch od boutique stompboxes.

[lorenzoinoc]

I bought a Warmoth strat body and neck and had a friend of mine who is a luthier do the paint and assembly. When all was said and done it was way more $ than a Fender but it was also alot nicer than any fender you would get off the shelf. I had another friend, who does amp repair and builds custom amps in his spare time, build me an amp that is essentially a replica of an old Fender blackface delux.( guts-wise anyway, it doesn't look like a Fender.)
I also have a Mesa 100W head. (the dual recto Trem-O-Verb)
and a 50W Mesa Single Recto Combo.
All of which most people would say are overpriced.
I also had a pedalboard custom built with a bunch od boutique stompboxes.

How are you liking the 50W Recto Combo?

[Home-slicer]

How are you liking the 50W Recto Combo?

It beats lugging around a 100W head and 4x12 cabinet. The only downside is the clean channel leaves a little to be desired and the reverb tank is kind of small so it's not a very lush reverb, but as far as the gain channel goes, it can bring the thunder just like its big brother.

[noshuz]

I bought a Warmoth strat body and neck and had a friend of mine who is a luthier do the paint and assembly. When all was said and done it was way more $ than a Fender but it was also alot nicer than any fender you would get off the shelf. I had another friend, who does amp repair and builds custom amps in his spare time, build me an amp that is essentially a replica of an old Fender blackface delux.( guts-wise anyway, it doesn't look like a Fender.)
I also have a Mesa 100W head. (the dual recto Trem-O-Verb)
and a 50W Mesa Single Recto Combo.
All of which most people would say are overpriced.
I also had a pedalboard custom built with a bunch od boutique stompboxes.

I almost did the Warmoth thing myself. Still have the parts list on my computer. I ended up with a Amer. Deluxe Strat and a LP Standard. I Love them both. Boutique amps are not cheap. I also have A buddy that builds amps. I used to do his cabinet work and face plates so I got the brother deals from him. Check em out!
http://www.modernvintageusa.com/

[famousdavis]

Ouch!!!

Holy Mother of Buddah! Who would pay, let ALONE charge $600 for a Scratch Wedge???? Or ANY Wedge????

I recall seeing a set of Honma's about a year ago...a SET for $2,000...and they had gold fill in the heads!

Dork, tell me it ain't so!!!

Since you're in the industry I was wondering...who makes the most expensive clubs? What's the highest you've seen for a set of irons?

[lorenzoinoc]

It beats lugging around a 100W head and 4x12 cabinet. The only downside is the clean channel leaves a little to be desired and the reverb tank is kind of small so it's not a very lush reverb, but as far as the gain channel goes, it can bring the thunder just like its big brother.

I must have been confusing 50W Recto Combo with a different type of product. Either that or you're doing a good job of covering.

[Not a hacker]

Since you're in the industry I was wondering...who makes the most expensive clubs? What's the highest you've seen for a set of irons?

I'm not in the industry, but from what I've seen in shops, Honma is most expensive hands down. I remember a shop in Sydney used to sell them (we have a lot of rich Asians here) and their top set of irons were about $20,000, not a word of a lie. They had bit's of gold where other clubs have tungsten, and the shafts were unlike any I've seen, but 20 large? Even in their traditional clubs, their blades are about double the price of Mizuno. I know a real low marker who has a set, and he's had Mizuno in the past but says teh Honmas are better. They must have some sort of master craftsman who cools them with his own blood during the forging process.

[dorkman53]

Dorkman,
I have stayed out of this one because if you like them and can afford them, I could really give a shite. I have paid what some people would say is too much for music equipment, but it's what I wanted, and I liked it and I would have payed more in some cases.
Having said that, some boutique stuff is total garbage as I am sure is not the case for your wedges.
I do have to ask, though, what specific shots could you not hit consistantly with a cleveland wedge that you can hit with regularity with the scratch wedges that has shaved the traditional 4 strokes off your cap?
I agree with FON that you might be giving those wedges too much credit.

The Clevelands are much harder to open up because they don't have a sole grind that allows one to open the club without raising the leading edge so high that one risks bladed flop shots. The same applies to Vokeys and Mizunos. Mizuno MP and Vokey Oil Can wedges were terribly inconsistent out of firmer bunkers. I wasted a lot of shots before I ditched them.
I have three sole grinds; the lowest loft is great for softer bunkers and deeper rough. There is an intermediate grind with higher loft for many greenside shots and greenside bunkers with firmer sand. It's also superb for flop shots. It also excels at "dart throwing" shots aimed to stop right at the pin. The highest loft has the least effective bounce, and is excellent for hitting out of firm greenside bunkers, particularly if there is a very high lip, like I often encounter at East Valley/PGA in Beaumont. It is also very predictable for short (40-70 yard) approach shots to pins tucked behind water or bunkers.

This wedge matrix gives me consistent results far exceeding anything I've gotten from the OEMs. I can get out of just about any bunker with one decent shot nearly every time. This saves strokes. I have found the response of many in this board so comical that sometimes it borders on the theater of the absurd. We have a long time member known for basically a common sense, logical approach vehemently attacked by people with absolutely no personal knowledge or experience with a product. I'm a dupe. I've been deceiving myself. I've been paying $600/wedge, and on and on it goes!

I scored my all time best round this year, on a very challenging course, Oak Valley. This is not by accident, and I am certainly not getting any younger.

IF SOMEONE HAS NO EXPERIENCE WITH A CLUB, IT IS IDIOTIC TO SAY THE CLUB DOESN'T WORK!!!

[Kiwi Player]

I've been paying $600/wedge, and on and on it goes!

Hey Dorkman, I notice on their website they have two much cheaper wedges, about $99 & $129 from memory. Can you get those models ground to your exact specs or is it only the Custom Tour model?

[Not a hacker]

Hey Dorkman, I notice on their website they have two much cheaper wedges, about $99 & $129 from memory. Can you get those models ground to your exact specs or is it only the Custom Tour model?

That sounds more like a $600 wedge to me.

[lorenzoinoc]

That sounds more like a $600 wedge to me.

They should put a chart on their website showing how many shots you can hit with each wedge, so people don't get confused and settle on the cheaper wedge.

[Not a hacker]

They should put a chart on their website showing how many shots you can hit with each wedge, so people don't get confused and settle on the cheaper wedge.

Do you think Dorky's $600 wedge is going to be brought up as often as QCG's bump and run with a lob wedge? I hope it doesn't run DM off the forum like it did QCG.

[lorenzoinoc]

Do you think Dorky's $600 wedge is going to be brought up as often as QCG's bump and run with a lob wedge? I hope it doesn't run DM off the forum like it did QCG.

No way...his feathers are just ruffled a little. We love Dorky. He can have his $600 wedges. We've all blown money on stupid s.hit. I guess some of us just have a harder time admitting it than others (that's all I'll say).

Hell, once I bought a case of beer. I could not stop p.issing. How is that fun?

[dorkman53]

Hey Dorkman, I notice on their website they have two much cheaper wedges, about $99 & $129 from memory. Can you get those models ground to your exact specs or is it only the Custom Tour model?

You can't get them custom ground at that price, but they have a number of selections for each swing type. You could still do well, for a lot less money.

[dorkman53]

No way...his feathers are just ruffled a little. We love Dorky. He can have his $600 wedges. We've all blown money on stupid s.hit. I guess some of us just have a harder time admitting it than others (that's all I'll say).

Hell, once I bought a case of beer. I could not stop p.issing. How is that fun?

The $300 wedges only save me 4 strokes a round. The $600 wedges save me 8 strokes a round. I can't wait to try their $1200 wedges!!!

[Not a hacker]

The $300 wedges only save me 4 strokes a round. The $600 wedges save me 8 strokes a round. I can't wait to try their $1200 wedges!!!

So you think it might be increments of 4, or are we to assume the advancement exponentially doubles? Even I could convince my misuss to part with $1,200 if it got me to a plus 7!

[Home-slicer]

You can't get them custom ground at that price, but they have a number of selections for each swing type. You could still do well, for a lot less money.

The custom sole grind on the $99 wedge is $501 if I'm not mitaken.

[lorenzoinoc]

At Bubba Zo's we'll customize your wedge for a lot less. It would only cost $275 to customize our $325 wedge. On our $999 wedge we'll throw it in for free. Of course, if you want us to grind off the name Cleveland, that would be extra.

How could anyone pass up free customization?

[dorkman53]

At Bubba Zo's we'll customize your wedge for a lot less. It would only cost $275 to customize our $325 wedge. On our $999 wedge we'll throw it in for free. Of course, if you want us to grind off the name Cleveland, that would be extra.

How could anyone pass up free customization?

How much for a senior flex graphite shaft?

[FreakOfNature]

Poe's Law is the best law of all...

Well worth $600 per wedge, IMO.

Dorky, you are quite fun at times.

You're never going to escape the nickname "The $600 Wedge Man". Lee Majors must envy you...

Gotta admit - of all the nicknames to be saddled with - you got a pretty cool one.

Wear it with pride.



FON

[Not a hacker]

Dorky has been reduced to the GR whipping boy. He will have trouble holding his ground in any argument when people can just say "yeah, like you'd know anything. Someone who thinks $600 for a wedge is a fair price".

[dorkman53]

Poe's Law is the best law of all...

Well worth $600 per wedge, IMO.

Dorky, you are quite fun at times.

You're never going to escape the nickname "The $600 Wedge Man". Lee Majors must envy you...

Gotta admit - of all the nicknames to be saddled with - you got a pretty cool one.

Wear it with pride.



FON

I would be proud of it, if any of their wedges cost more than $300........

[lorenzoinoc]

How much for a senior flex graphite shaft?

How much you got left?

[dorkman53]

How much you got left?

Another $599. It's either another wedge, or grandma's chemotherapy this week........

[lorenzoinoc]

Another $599. It's either another wedge, or grandma's chemotherapy this week........

Grandma's gonna die anyways. And until then it's probably a home. I sincerely hope I die 5 minutes before they put me in a care facility. If you've never seen one in operation, trust me, death is the better option. Chemo would just be throwing good money after bad.

Now that that's out of the way, we can discuss the miracle of your having exactly the amount I charge for the Jump Into The Boat Ya' Moe-ron wedge. I'll sand off the word "Cleveland" for free.

Better yet, find grandma's money and then go for the $999 Blow Job. Think how many shots you can hit with a $999 wedge that you've never hit before. This wedge is so good, few people wouldn't steal money from their dying grandmother to have the chance to bag it.

[famousdavis]

I'm not in the industry, but from what I've seen in shops, Honma is most expensive hands down. I remember a shop in Sydney used to sell them (we have a lot of rich Asians here) and their top set of irons were about $20,000, not a word of a lie. They had bit's of gold where other clubs have tungsten, and the shafts were unlike any I've seen, but 20 large? Even in their traditional clubs, their blades are about double the price of Mizuno. I know a real low marker who has a set, and he's had Mizuno in the past but says teh Honmas are better. They must have some sort of master craftsman who cools them with his own blood during the forging process.

Steve, the asian dentist who joined Noshuz and I, had a set of Honma irons. I have to say they were nice looking irons. He hit them pretty long. They had graphite shafts and sort of a blade like appearance.

[lorenzoinoc]

Steve, the asian dentist who joined Noshuz and I, had a set of Honma irons. I have to say they were nice looking irons. He hit them pretty long. They had graphite shafts and sort of a blade like appearance.

Did he customize them with extra tailpipes, cheap stupid looking grills and faux racing dials?

[famousdavis]

Did he customize them with extra tailpipes, cheap stupid looking grills and faux racing dials?

You know, come to think of it I did think it was a little odd that he wanted to drag race after we played 18. Whever I parred he would say "nice pa!!". I would reply "I'm not your father".

[noshuz]

Steve, the asian dentist who joined Noshuz and I, had a set of Honma irons. I have to say they were nice looking irons. He hit them pretty long. They had graphite shafts and sort of a blade like appearance.

Hit a pretty consistant high draw. Crap I didn't realize he had "super irons" They didn't look like anything special at a glance.

[noshuz]

You know, come to think of it I did think it was a little odd that he wanted to drag race after we played 18. Whever I parred he would say "nice pa!!". I would reply "I'm not your father".

LOL! He did have pretty thick accent.....

[lorenzoinoc]

You know, come to think of it I did think it was a little odd that he wanted to drag race after we played 18. Whever I parred he would say "nice pa!!". I would reply "I'm not your father".

It sounds like he was actually saying: "nice butt!", as you were bending over to get the ball out of the cup. Man, would that creep me out.

[famousdavis]

It sounds like he was actually saying: "nice butt!", as you were bending over to get the ball out of the cup. Man, would that creep me out.

He also had a nice black leather bag with a BMW logo on it. I talked to him a little bit and he said he got his degree over in Korea and now he's practicing here. What the hell? Anyway, he hit the Honma irons very well for a 15 handicapper. The most interesting thing was that his teeth didn't look that good for a dentist. When I introduced him to Noshuz I said "Hey Noshuz, this is Steve the dentist from Korea....from the good side".

[lorenzoinoc]

Whatever shortcomings Koreans have with their teeth, breath and cleanliness, they make up for with cutting edge humor and sheer cool.