This is a typical recent practice session. I hit a whole bucket with a 6i-- first rehearsing the sequence with arms crossed -- then when hitting balls only a few yards. Before each swing I rehearse "the footwork" to ensure the correct sequence is in my mind. Turn, POST, swing. Heretofore I have always rushed through the turn and POST iteration-- and just swung having made a partial turn and then zero POST. That is the UGLY amateur swing we see up and down every public driving range. A very very few make the sequence we see all top amateurs and every pro make, turn, post, swing. One, two, three.
It pays off quickly when I can swing with that sequence fresh in my mind. I know I will be able to hit fairways and greens--and probably drive it MUCH further--when my turn is supplying power--and not just arms.
Once again, Larry, your legs are driving me wild! I especially like all the movement in your lower body. If I were a switch hitter, I think I could really go for you . . . . .
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This makes me legitimately sad... Here is everything wrong with modern golf swing and modern golf instruction...
Not being mean at all I just feel really sorry that stuff like this happens
Surely you can't use one of Larryrsf's swing videos as representative of 'everything that is wrong with modern golf swing and modern golf instruction'.
Get real Pingman. I'm positive that if Larryrsf went to you or your favourite S & T instructor his video's and posts would still be just as laughable & pitiful.
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I am glad you have finally found your groove. One thing though arn't you on the wrong side of the golf ball.
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in the 'slow motion rehearsal' larry's back foot rolls forward onto its inside edge, almost evenly from toe to heel, along the side of his shoe.. but in the regular speed swing, he does it better, slightly pushing off with his toe in a more athletic way.
The slow motion rehearsal looks awkward. Not good footwork at all. That back foot 'side roll' onto the inside edge of the shoe looks like the opposite of driving forward for power... more like dragging his back foot forward like Quasimodo, running along the top of the Notre Dame tower after ringing the bell.
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Surely you can't use one of Larryrsf's swing videos as representative of 'everything that is wrong with modern golf swing and modern golf instruction'.
Get real Pingman. I'm positive that if Larryrsf went to you or your favourite S & T instructor his video's and posts would still be just as laughable & pitiful.
his posts would still be crap... but that's not the point...
his swing is pretty much exactly what most modern instructors would teach, "width" in the swing, "weights transfer", level shoulders on the backswing... all wrong
Nice work Larry. In your slow motion rehersal you epitomize the phrase "quiet lower body".
Hey, each of you who criticize are invited to put up your swing video-- shot from this same angle, so we can compare. Its easy to pop off, now put up or shut up.
in the 'slow motion rehearsal' larry's back foot rolls forward onto its inside edge, almost evenly from toe to heel, along the side of his shoe.. but in the regular speed swing, he does it better, slightly pushing off with his toe in a more athletic way.
The slow motion rehearsal looks awkward. Not good footwork at all. That back foot 'side roll' onto the inside edge of the shoe looks like the opposite of driving forward for power... more like dragging his back foot forward like Quasimodo, running along the top of the Notre Dame tower after ringing the bell.
Take a lesson. Your pro (if qualified) will tell you that the back foot should first ROLL as the back knee moves toward the front knee-- and then as the hips turn toward the target, the back foot heel comes up. Take a lesson. Then post.
Hey, each of you who criticize are invited to put up your swing video-- shot from this same angle, so we can compare. Its easy to pop off, now put up or shut up.
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Take a lesson. Your pro (if qualified) will tell you that the back foot should first ROLL as the back knee moves toward the front knee-- and then as the hips turn toward the target, the back foot heel comes up. Take a lesson. Then post.
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believe it or not.... this is pretty much correct...
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Hey, each of you who criticize are invited to put up your swing video-- shot from this same angle, so we can compare. Its easy to pop off, now put up or shut up.
Long since done, Larry. It is so much better than your swing it would be cruel to put it up again.
BTW, you hit almost every one one of those irons fat.
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Take a lesson. Your pro (if qualified) will tell you that the back foot should first ROLL as the back knee moves toward the front knee-- and then as the hips turn toward the target, the back foot heel comes up. Take a lesson. Then post.
You buy a hat like that you get a free bowl of soup (obvious but someone had to say it).
P.S. Larry, you go for it dude. Way to put those knockers in their place. About time you started talking the talk.
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Hey, each of you who criticize are invited to put up your swing video-- shot from this same angle, so we can compare. Its easy to pop off, now put up or shut up.
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I will post a swing video, just as soon as I get a hat like yours Larry.
Take a lesson. Your pro (if qualified) will tell you that the back foot should first ROLL as the back knee moves toward the front knee-- and then as the hips turn toward the target, the back foot heel comes up. Take a lesson. Then post.
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If true, amigo, then why does your foot NOT do this in your normal speed swing?
First read MY post, THEN post. IF qualified. :-)
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I'm not sure what Pingman is talking about. There is nothing wrong with width and weight transfer. I thought you were becoming more of a TGM guy rather than a method (stack & tilt) guy. There are plenty of ways to hit a golf ball correctly, as long as all the components are complimentary.
I thought Larry had a very good tempo on his full swings, and he was really accelerating through the ball at impact.
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believe it or not.... this is pretty much correct...
Pingie, if you look at his slow motion rehearsal, it's not the roll that comes from an athletic forward shift of weight or pushoff.. it's a lift/drag roll well in advance of most of the downswing.. it's awkward, unathletic, power-robbing.. and as proof of this, he does NOT do it in the full speed swing.
It's like he's scraping dog sheite off the inside edge of the shoe on his back foot.
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I'm not sure what Pingman is talking about. There is nothing wrong with width and weight transfer. I thought you were becoming more of a TGM guy rather than a method (stack & tilt) guy. There are plenty of ways to hit a golf ball correctly, as long as all the components are complimentary.
I thought Larry had a very good tempo on his full swings, and he was really accelerating through the ball at impact.
the very basis of TGM is to keep the upper cog or the head stable... Width and weight shift are ok I don't like them for consistency sake but they are ok... As long as the upper Cog remains stationary.... In larrys case his upper cog translate well off the ball due to his attempts at achieving width and weight transfer his upper cog moves to never even return to adress position... Which is totally wrong
Also snt is not a method swing
To Dave... The bacl foot rolling allows the hips to travel the most linear with less rotational force which is required in order to draw the ball... Whether the back foot is manipulated or rolls due to the most linear slide of the hips on the dpwnstroke it will still allow the hips to be less open at impact... Now what Larry is doing may not be the most eFficient way but he's got more pressing issues than that...
the very basis of TGM is to keep the upper cog or the head stable... Width and weight shift are ok I don't like them for consistency sake but they are ok... As long as the upper Cog remains stationary.... In larrys case his upper cog translate well off the ball due to his attempts at achieving width and weight transfer his upper cog moves to never even return to adress position... Which is totally wrong
Also snt is not a method swing
To Dave... The bacl foot rolling allows the hips to travel the most linear with less rotational force which is required in order to draw the ball... Whether the back foot is manipulated or rolls due to the most linear slide of the hips on the dpwnstroke it will still allow the hips to be less open at impact... Now what Larry is doing may not be the most eFficient way but he's got more pressing issues than that...
When rebuilding a golf swing, "first things first" seems to be logical. My primary faults were an incomplete turn back and failure to move my weight (post) to my front leg before I pivoted around (the downswing). Those failures made consistency impossible-- so I work them first. They are the foundation of a golf swing. I do other things imperfectly, but they are less important-- if they are made on the foundation of a solidly correct movement.
So we work on the primary fundamentals in order. I do the "arms crossed" drill to rehearse, then make a dynamic full turn back--I feel what it should when I do it right. Then I rehearse the POST move several times. This is exactly analagous to learning to play a guitar or piano-- first we learn to find and play the notes in order, then we accelerate to tempo. It sounds horrible at first...
If this were easy, anyone could do it. And most can't. TPI said only 1% or fewer amateurs can make the POST move in their golf swing. That means 99% are swinging OTT EVERY swing. No wonder amateurs can't break 100 on average.
Then I rehearse the POST move several times. This is exactly analagous to learning to play a guitar or piano-- first we learn to find and play the notes in order, then we accelerate to tempo. It sounds horrible at first...
If this were easy, anyone could do it. And most can't. TPI said only 1% or fewer amateurs can make the POST move in their golf swing. That means 99% are swinging OTT EVERY swing. No wonder amateurs can't break 100 on average.
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mmmm ... POST = Piece Of Sheite Turn?
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Hey, a few months ago I shot 77 from the tips in a tournament on a very tough golf course "Red Hawk" in Temecula, CA. look it up.
So what? My play that day was UGLY. My swing was OTT every time. I either sliced or pull-hooked many times. I missed most fairways and nearly all the greens-- but I scored because I was a magician at recovering and got pretty lucky on the par3s. I hit it closest to the pin three times and won all the "skins."
I shot 90+ the next tournament with that same group-- which demonstrated the inconsistency anyone has with poor fundamentals. I don't want to play like that. I would have quit golf and resumed playing tennis if I couldn't learn to swing correctly. Hence the present series of lessons and drills.
Hey, a few months ago I shot 77 from the tips in a tournament on a very tough golf course "Red Hawk" in Temecula, CA. look it up.
So what? My play that day was UGLY. My swing was OTT every time. I either sliced or pull-hooked many times. I missed most fairways and nearly all the greens-- but I scored because I was a magician at recovering and got pretty lucky on the par3s. I hit it closest to the pin three times and won all the "skins."
I shot 90+ the next tournament with that same group-- which demonstrated the inconsistency anyone has with poor fundamentals. I don't want to play like that. I would have quit golf and resumed playing tennis if I couldn't learn to swing correctly. Hence the present series of lessons and drills.
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Larry old boy you are seriously sounding like a scratched record these days. I know I've read this post before ...
Being completely fair here, I have to say, Alan's swing is 10,000 times better than Larry's.
Continue.....
But then few (none?) here are qualified to evaluate a golf swing-- and especially not from a video clip shot from the correct viewpoints. Put the camera where a teaching pro does-- and then see the incorrect or missing moves that create poor angles-- and inconsistency.
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Hey, a few months ago I shot 77 from the tips in a tournament on a very tough golf course "Red Hawk" in Temecula, CA. look it up.
Sure you did, Larry...
...and you can hit your 6 iron as far as the PGATour pros...
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So what? My play that day was UGLY. My swing was OTT every time. I either sliced or pull-hooked many times. I missed most fairways and nearly all the greens-- but I scored because I was a magician at recovering and got pretty lucky on the par3s. I hit it closest to the pin three times and won all the "skins."
Funny. But I'll bet if anyone checked, you would have talked at the time about how well your swing was working...
...care to tell us the actual date and let us find out?
I shot 90+ the next tournament with that same group-- which demonstrated the inconsistency anyone has with poor fundamentals. I don't want to play like that. I would have quit golf and resumed playing tennis if I couldn't learn to swing correctly. Hence the present series of lessons and drills.
I think you shot 90+ (funny you don't mention the actual score; how much "+" exactly, Larry?) because there were witnesses. Amazingly: the 77 never got posted to your handicap.
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But then few (none?) here are qualified to evaluate a golf swing-- and especially not from a video clip shot from the correct viewpoints. Put the camera where a teaching pro does-- and then see the incorrect or missing moves that create poor angles-- and inconsistency.
I'll let your pro see my video if you like, Larry...
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But then few (none?) here are qualified to evaluate a golf swing-- and especially not from a video clip shot from the correct viewpoints. Put the camera where a teaching pro does-- and then see the incorrect or missing moves that create poor angles-- and inconsistency.
Larry
Larry, I agree that in some instances you'd need a PGA teaching pro or greater to judge one swing over another. But in this particular instance, a fake nuclear engineer would have no problem making the determination from 4 football fields away after a pitcher of Margaritas and without his glasses. Assuming he never played golf. If he was a golfer, he'd be able to see it from a plane flying overhead.
Put up a video of your swing--must be great since you criticize and denigrate others. I can have a real PGA teaching pro disect it--and I will post his comments. Put up or shut up.
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
Hey Lorenzo,
Put up a video of your swing--must be great since you criticize and denigrate others. I can have a real PGA teaching pro disect it--and I will post his comments. Put up or shut up.
Have him dissect (don't know how to spell "dissect", Larry? What an education you must have had!) mine, but include his name. I want to be able to verify that you haven't... ...creatively paraphrased his comments.
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Put up a video of your swing--must be great since you criticize and denigrate others. I can have a real PGA teaching pro disect it--and I will post his comments. Put up or shut up.
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Posting a swing video comes from the part of the brain that is retarded. Or, in some cases, the entire brain.
Put up a video of your swing--must be great since you criticize and denigrate others. I can have a real PGA teaching pro disect it--and I will post his comments. Put up or shut up.
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LOL...I will put up a swing video if Lorenzo does, but I don't think its gonna happen. Lorenzo is really just an overweight guy from England that has to ride a bike everywhere he goes, because he doesn't own a car.
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Larry, can you at least entertain the notion that your "PGA professional" is scamming you? How many $1000's in lessons have you spent trying to learn a simple move that 99% of children learn by doing? At some point you've got to question the motives of a guy who's got you doing ridiculous and embarrassing drills that have no practical pay off.
Just think about it critcally before making a snap judgement. We've all made costly mistakes, and admitting them is the first step to recovery.
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LOL...I will put up a swing video if Lorenzo does, but I don't think its gonna happen. Lorenzo is really just an overweight guy from England that has to ride a bike everywhere he goes, because he doesn't own a car.
Dammit, I'm so much more than that.
We both pass that i.q. test, as does the vast majority here.
Larry, can you at least entertain the notion that your "PGA professional" is scamming you? How many $1000's in lessons have you spent trying to learn a simple move that 99% of children learn by doing? At some point you've got to question the motives of a guy who's got you doing ridiculous and embarrassing drills that have no practical pay off.
Just think about it critcally before making a snap judgement. We've all made costly mistakes, and admitting them is the first step to recovery.
Trying to help,
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OK, this answers #7. Thank you, HB.
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Larry, can you at least entertain the notion that your "PGA professional" is scamming you? How many $1000's in lessons have you spent trying to learn a simple move that 99% of children learn by doing? At some point you've got to question the motives of a guy who's got you doing ridiculous and embarrassing drills that have no practical pay off.
Just think about it critcally before making a snap judgement. We've all made costly mistakes, and admitting them is the first step to recovery.
Trying to help,
HB
Don't get ahead of yourself HB. Shouldn't you be focusing on DMan and his Scratch wedges before you move onto Larry and his lessons?
No balls were teed. There were all hit off the mat including the 3w shots at the end.
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My bad... from the angle of your camera in the first few minutes it looks like a ball was teed... I am getting old and my vision is shiiiitttty.
Next question, I hate to ask this question: how can you shoot 77 with that kind of swing speed? I am asking a question, not challenging your statement... Do you play Mizuno clubs?
All I know is that this chick who worked in the SPCC proshop got her accreditation and she couldn't break 90 from 6300 yards.
A guy I used to regularly trounce in practice rounds on my college team was behind the counter at a club I played a few years later.. with a "head pro" sign on his office door.
Either he gave head like a pro, or else he was permitted to call himself a professional golfer but didn't have the skills to beat me, a 2 cap at the time.
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A guy I used to regularly trounce in practice rounds on my college team was behind the counter at a club I played a few years later.. with a "head pro" sign on his office door.
Either he gave head like a pro, or else he was permitted to call himself a professional golfer but didn't have the skills to beat me, a 2 cap at the time.
Our head pro is a great golfer who typically shoots somewhere in the high 60's at my course, but some of the assistants we've had over the years had suspect ability. One guy (who left last year to become a head pro) played as a sub in one of our weekly Sunday games and shot mid-80's. We always wondered why he never played with any members before that day. So yeah, he's the head pro of a course up the road.
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I don't own a vid camera and I do not want to own one. I'm expecting you to take care of that whenever we meet up.
For our match, amigo, you may rest assured I shall provide top quality video equipment and use it professionally in order to maximally entertain the slackjawed losers who sit in front of their screens drooling all day while trying to cleverly insult Larry.
But... but... you have a cell phone, n'est pas?
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For our match, amigo, you may rest assured I shall provide top quality video equipment and use it professionally in order to maximally entertain the slackjawed losers who sit in front of their screens drooling all day while trying to cleverly insult Larry.
But... but... you have a cell phone, n'est pas?
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I do. Over a year and a half ago, I was talked into buying an AT&T Tilt phone. I hate it. Come July (whenever my contract is up) I am going the iPhone route. I should have done that in the first place.
I have camera and video capability on the Tilt phone, but I have not bothered to delve into the "hows and whys" to use it yet little off transfer it to the web.
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My bad... from the angle of your camera in the first few minutes it looks like a ball was teed... I am getting old and my vision is shiiiitttty.
Next question, I hate to ask this question: how can you shoot 77 with that kind of swing speed? I am asking a question, not challenging your statement... Do you play Mizuno clubs?
It is a DRILL. Just as when we learn to play a new tune on guitar, we first find the notes, then play them individually, then slowly increase the tempo. It doesn't sound like music until we have mastered the song at tempo. The swing doesn't look like the pros or propel the ball long and straight until the movement sequence is mastered. Much of the golf swing occurs at the subconscious level-- consequently it must be rehearsed both consciously and subconsciously--in our sleep?
But as my brother has proved for 40+ years, when we don't have the patience and persistence to do that--we never improve. No swing change happens. Guys like that who want to learn to play guitar learn the first few notes of a few tunes-- and then give up. As golfers they swing like they did as beginners all their lives. Sad to watch. If you enjoy watching people ingrain a mistake, go to any driving range and watch the carnage.
BTW, even when my swing was OTT, I could swing hard and knock it out there 230 or so. From the white tees that left a modest iron to the greens--and when I missed, I was (am) deadly with a LW (lotsa practice). I could score if I could find the drives. I shot 77 at Redhawk from the blues in a tournament last year. Hit it sideways, but found it and hit it again enough to score that day. I also won ALL the skins by getting closest to the pin on all 3 par 3 holes. Next time out with that golf league, I couldn't break 90. Same swing, different result.
I started the present course of lessons, etc. because I HATE playing "recovery" golf. I would have gone back to tennis if I couldn't learn to swing on plane.
It is a DRILL. Just as when we learn to play a new tune on guitar, we first find the notes, then play them individually, then slowly increase the tempo. It doesn't sound like music until we have mastered the song at tempo. The swing doesn't look like the pros or propel the ball long and straight until the movement sequence is mastered. Much of the golf swing occurs at the subconscious level-- consequently it must be rehearsed both consciously and subconsciously--in our sleep?
But as my brother has proved for 40+ years, when we don't have the patience and persistence to do that--we never improve. No swing change happens. Guys like that who want to learn to play guitar learn the first few notes of a few tunes-- and then give up. As golfers they swing like they did as beginners all their lives. Sad to watch. If you enjoy watching people ingrain a mistake, go to any driving range and watch the carnage.
BTW, even when my swing was OTT, I could swing hard and knock it out there 230 or so. From the white tees that left a modest iron to the greens--and when I missed, I was (am) deadly with a LW (lotsa practice). I could score if I could find the drives. I shot 77 at Redhawk from the blues in a tournament last year. Hit it sideways, but found it and hit it again enough to score that day. I also won ALL the skins by getting closest to the pin on all 3 par 3 holes. Next time out with that golf league, I couldn't break 90. Same swing, different result.
I started the present course of lessons, etc. because I HATE playing "recovery" golf. I would have gone back to tennis if I couldn't learn to swing on plane.
Larry
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
It is a DRILL. Just as when we learn to play a new tune on guitar, we first find the notes, then play them individually, then slowly increase the tempo. It doesn't sound like music until we have mastered the song at tempo. The swing doesn't look like the pros or propel the ball long and straight until the movement sequence is mastered. Much of the golf swing occurs at the subconscious level-- consequently it must be rehearsed both consciously and subconsciously--in our sleep?
It should be rehearsed correctly if you're going to rehearse at all...
But as my brother has proved for 40+ years, when we don't have the patience and persistence to do that--we never improve. No swing change happens. Guys like that who want to learn to play guitar learn the first few notes of a few tunes-- and then give up. As golfers they swing like they did as beginners all their lives. Sad to watch. If you enjoy watching people ingrain a mistake, go to any driving range and watch the carnage.
I bet you've never beaten your brother even once.
BTW, even when my swing was OTT, I could swing hard and knock it out there 230 or so. From the white tees that left a modest iron to the greens--and when I missed, I was (am) deadly with a LW (lotsa practice). I could score if I could find the drives. I shot 77 at Redhawk from the blues in a tournament last year. Hit it sideways, but found it and hit it again enough to score that day. I also won ALL the skins by getting closest to the pin on all 3 par 3 holes. Next time out with that golf league, I couldn't break 90. Same swing, different result.
You can "knock it out there" 230 if you're getting 50 yards of roll...
I started the present course of lessons, etc. because I HATE playing "recovery" golf.
All the while lying about how well you were swinging...
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It is a DRILL. Just as when we learn to play a new tune on guitar, we first find the notes, then play them individually, then slowly increase the tempo. It doesn't sound like music until we have mastered the song at tempo. The swing doesn't look like the pros or propel the ball long and straight until the movement sequence is mastered. Much of the golf swing occurs at the subconscious level-- consequently it must be rehearsed both consciously and subconsciously--in our sleep?
But as my brother has proved for 40+ years, when we don't have the patience and persistence to do that--we never improve. No swing change happens. Guys like that who want to learn to play guitar learn the first few notes of a few tunes-- and then give up. As golfers they swing like they did as beginners all their lives. Sad to watch. If you enjoy watching people ingrain a mistake, go to any driving range and watch the carnage.
BTW, even when my swing was OTT, I could swing hard and knock it out there 230 or so. From the white tees that left a modest iron to the greens--and when I missed, I was (am) deadly with a LW (lotsa practice). I could score if I could find the drives. I shot 77 at Redhawk from the blues in a tournament last year. Hit it sideways, but found it and hit it again enough to score that day. I also won ALL the skins by getting closest to the pin on all 3 par 3 holes. Next time out with that golf league, I couldn't break 90. Same swing, different result.
I started the present course of lessons, etc. because I HATE playing "recovery" golf. I would have gone back to tennis if I couldn't learn to swing on plane.
Larry
Nothing sounds worse or appears more pathetic than critisizing a family member to others that don't know him/her. I like your swing thoughts but you just let a major character flaw out of the bag.
Well, see you guys. The obsessed nutcase has appeared. He would transform your forum from golf discussion to golf attack-- personal attacks are what he does. If you think you learn anything about golf from his diatribes-- let him continue. Every other forum has banned him--that because serious golfers won't read that stuff. We just bail out.
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Nothing sounds worse or appears more pathetic than critisizing a family member to others that don't know him/her. I like your swing thoughts but you just let a major character flaw out of the bag.
Actually, I think it illuminates Larry's personality very well:
He's so obviously envious of his brother it's just sad...
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Well, see you guys. The obsessed nutcase has appeared. He would transform your forum from golf discussion to golf attack-- personal attacks are what he does. If you think you learn anything about golf from his diatribes-- let him continue. Every other forum has banned him--that because serious golfers won't read that stuff. We just bail out.
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Larree the only thing serious in this forum is the serious amount of sh!t that gets tossed on a day to day basis and you're no exception. Sh!t is why we're here. Come on man! This is GR. Read a few threads! It doesn't take long to realize where the majority of us are coming from, and there aliases. You keep coming back here to us misfits of cyber golf because you get more sh!t on other sites or band all together. Although you get sh!t from us you take it because you know we're just being stupid. Seriously stupid! The people on other forums mean it. Why? Because they're serious!!
We love you Larry. Don't change.....even if you could.....
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
Well, see you guys. The obsessed nutcase has appeared. He would transform your forum from golf discussion to golf attack-- personal attacks are what he does. If you think you learn anything about golf from his diatribes-- let him continue. Every other forum has banned him--that because serious golfers won't read that stuff. We just bail out.
Yeah... ...if you weren't such a jerk I would have been happy to tell you one simple flaw you're making in your "rehearsal", but I guess I can post it for everyone else.
You rotate too much in the vertical axis. Your turn should be in the tilted axis of your spine.
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Woohoo, woohoo, woohoo!! What we hear from da Stooges!
Fun is fun, but we should either identify with or reject a nutcase who has been banned everywhere. AB is NOT kidding, he has no sense of humor, he is NOT intelligent.
I like the gentle repartee here-- Because I see the thread of serious golf among the Mizuno affectionados. But AB is different. He is NOT here to talk about golf, he is NOT here to help anyone develop a gofl swing, he is here because he has psychological problems- and he hates! Check it out. This guy would be a dangerous person in a dark alley.
This is a typical recent practice session. I hit a whole bucket with a 6i-- first rehearsing the sequence with arms crossed -- then when hitting balls only a few yards. Before each swing I rehearse "the footwork" to ensure the correct sequence is in my mind. Turn, POST, swing. Heretofore I have always rushed through the turn and POST iteration-- and just swung having made a partial turn and then zero POST. That is the UGLY amateur swing we see up and down every public driving range. A very very few make the sequence we see all top amateurs and every pro make, turn, post, swing. One, two, three.
It pays off quickly when I can swing with that sequence fresh in my mind. I know I will be able to hit fairways and greens--and probably drive it MUCH further--when my turn is supplying power--and not just arms.
Serious question here: shouldn't the post you refer to be the natural result of a sound grip, stance and swing rather than something you need to consciously think about? It seems like your drills are designed to fight a tendancy to come OTT. I have found that if spine angle doesn't change before the ball is hit then OTT is not much of an issue.
"PGA teaching Pro," now, let's analyze this title:
1.) Is he simply a golf instructor, or is he a real Pro?
2.) Why do we call them "pros," why not simply, golf teachers?
3.) If they are truly "pros" then why are they working in two bit country clubs instead of making money on the tour?
4.) What does having the qualification of "PGA Pro" really qualify them to do?
5.) How do you become qualified as a "PGA Pro?"
6.) What makes these "PGA Pros" an authority on the golf swing? Have they won tons of money on tour with their swings?
7.) Am I the only one that seems to question this bullshite?
thats not really being fair... i do concur that there are a lot of guys out there who have business teaching golf at all... i've seen a lot of bad lessons, heard a lot of false facts, and watch people just plain get lied to... i am not a fan of the PGA personally, but unfortunately you need it in this business it's the only real accreditation a pro can receive thats worth anything... the number 1 objective taught by the PGA is to get the play to return for another lesson, now if that doesn't seem crooked to you i dont know what would.. the number one lesson should be to insure that the player leaves the lesson knowing what it will take for him to achieve a better golf swing...
but to say were ALL full of **** it just not fair... i have worked harder than you can ever imagine, to get to where i'm currently at, and i am by no means content with where i'm at... i have studied the golf swing for countless hours because i enjoy it and i want to know every last intricate detail of what cause different things to both occur and work in the golf swing... i guarentee that if any one of you came to me for a lesson you would leave with a better swing no doubt in my mind.. in fact that's an open invitation, if anyone is ever in my area stop by and i'll give you a lesson free of charge just because...
i do know what i'm talking about when it comes to the golf swing, i may not know it all... but i know a ton more than any amatuer i've ever come in contact with and can promise that for sure...
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Originally Posted by Larryrsf
Woohoo, woohoo, woohoo!! What we hear from da Stooges!
Fun is fun, but we should either identify with or reject a nutcase who has been banned everywhere. AB is NOT kidding, he has no sense of humor, he is NOT intelligent.
I like the gentle repartee here-- Because I see the thread of serious golf among the Mizuno affectionados. But AB is different. He is NOT here to talk about golf, he is NOT here to help anyone develop a gofl swing, he is here because he has psychological problems- and he hates! Check it out. This guy would be a dangerous person in a dark alley.
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Larry, Larry, Larry.
I don't hate you. Dislike you? Sure! You're a pompous jerk who's said a bunch of nasty things about me. But "hate"? Please.
You're not here to help anyone develop a golf swing, Larry. You're here to say, "Look at me! I'm better than all you peons!". You realized a few years ago that you could no longer bulls**t you're way around that with scores, because it became painfully obvious even to one as narcissistic and self-absorbed as you that the scores you were claiming to shoot were completely at odds with the swing you showed on video. So you've fallen back on the claim that you're more "dedicated" to learning how to swing; more "persistent". But you can't stop yourself from making the ludicrous supporting statements. Like you can hit a 3w 230 yards anywhere except on a dried out driving range where you get 50 yards of roll after a carry of 180 yards, or claiming on Golf Rewound that you hit your 6 iron "at least 180 yards and maybe further." That's PGATour pro length, Larry. If you'd done your homework, you could have at least avoided that one (yes, Larry: I have my spied who tell me what bull you right on Golf Rewound... ..think on that.)
I'm serious about golf. I've dropped my handicap from around 18 to 9.7 in three years. I've done it by observation, thought and hard work. I've had golfers that you know from your RSG days (before you were laughed out of there) -- single digit handicaps -- complement me on just how fundamentally sound my golf swing is.
You've produced literally dozens of "secrets" and each time insisted that you were "hitting all the fairways and most of the greens" with a swing that was technically "perfect" (I know, I know. You didn't actually say that: look up "hyperbole"). And each time you've had to tuck tail and admit that your "secret" didn't work. That's why you're forever putting up youtube videos and then taking them back down; despite each time telling everyone that this is a drill we should all be doing.
You go right on posting, Larry.
I'll go right on laughing.
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Larry is well on the way to another effortless 100 post thread. How do you make it look so easy Larry? You'd be on tour if you swungt the club as easy as you generate 100 post threads.
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
Woohoo, woohoo, woohoo!! What we hear from da Stooges!
Fun is fun, but we should either identify with or reject a nutcase who has been banned everywhere. AB is NOT kidding, he has no sense of humor, he is NOT intelligent.
I like the gentle repartee here-- Because I see the thread of serious golf among the Mizuno affectionados. But AB is different. He is NOT here to talk about golf, he is NOT here to help anyone develop a gofl swing, he is here because he has psychological problems- and he hates! Check it out. This guy would be a dangerous person in a dark alley.
Larry
The only thing I fear from AB is my backside . . . . .
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thats not really being fair... i do concur that there are a lot of guys out there who have business teaching golf at all... i've seen a lot of bad lessons, heard a lot of false facts, and watch people just plain get lied to... i am not a fan of the PGA personally, but unfortunately you need it in this business it's the only real accreditation a pro can receive thats worth anything... the number 1 objective taught by the PGA is to get the play to return for another lesson, now if that doesn't seem crooked to you i dont know what would.. the number one lesson should be to insure that the player leaves the lesson knowing what it will take for him to achieve a better golf swing...
but to say were ALL full of **** it just not fair... i have worked harder than you can ever imagine, to get to where i'm currently at, and i am by no means content with where i'm at... i have studied the golf swing for countless hours because i enjoy it and i want to know every last intricate detail of what cause different things to both occur and work in the golf swing... i guarentee that if any one of you came to me for a lesson you would leave with a better swing no doubt in my mind.. in fact that's an open invitation, if anyone is ever in my area stop by and i'll give you a lesson free of charge just because...
i do know what i'm talking about when it comes to the golf swing, i may not know it all... but i know a ton more than any amatuer i've ever come in contact with and can promise that for sure...
Methinks I struck a nerve . . . . . . . so, . . . . . . . how about some answers to my questions? Enlighten me . . . . . .
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Methinks I struck a nerve . . . . . . . so, . . . . . . . how about some answers to my questions? Enlighten me . . . . . .
fine...
1.) Is he simply a golf instructor, or is he a real Pro?
how am i supposed to know
2.) Why do we call them "pros," why not simply, golf teachers?
idk... it's just a title... why do you care
3.) If they are truly "pros" then why are they working in two bit country clubs instead of making money on the tour?
because the definition of a professional athlete is one who takes money in regards to a sport... plus i do play on some mini-tours so......
4.) What does having the qualification of "PGA Pro" really qualify them to do?
it's about money really for the PGA, but yeah you do have to know golf to become PGA
5.) How do you become qualified as a "PGA Pro?"
pass PAT, get books, pass various written levels, as well as instructional levels
6.) What makes these "PGA Pros" an authority on the golf swing? Have they won tons of money on tour with their swings?
some yes, others no, i promise you i know the swing well... i cant speak for others but
7.) Am I the only one that seems to question this bullshite?
no
Methinks I struck a nerve . . . . . . . so, . . . . . . . how about some answers to my questions? Enlighten me . . . . . .
so... since apparently since anyone could be a successful pro... why dont you start help out people...
listen i dont think that you understand just how much some pro's know about the golf swing, there are millions of little facts that are just randomly stuck in my head... are they important to you, no... but to me they are neccessary...
Serious question here: shouldn't the post you refer to be the natural result of a sound grip, stance and swing rather than something you need to consciously think about? It seems like your drills are designed to fight a tendancy to come OTT. I have found that if spine angle doesn't change before the ball is hit then OTT is not much of an issue.
FD despite the 1,000 posts I can see you are still kind of new around here. Larryrsf is not interested in seriously discussing the golf swing unless you are willing to totally 100% agree with his posts. 99% of us don't and that is why he normally resorts to ad hominen attacks and telling us all to "Take a lesson!"
So in your case, you better hope you're narcissistic.
A true narcissist would never bother with posting a swing video ... he loves himself so much that he doesn't care what other people think of him. Peons. The great unwashed rabble doesn't appreciate genius anyway. Narcissism is misanthropic in its essence.
Posting a swing vid on GR? manliness.
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A true narcissist would never bother with posting a swing video ... he loves himself so much that he doesn't care what other people think of him. Peons. The great unwashed rabble doesn't appreciate genius anyway. Narcissism is misanthropic in its essence.
Posting a swing vid on GR? manliness.
So you're saying Fred the terd is a Narcissist?
The views expressed by Not a Hacker are not meant to be understood by you primitive screw heads. Don't take it personally, just sit back and enjoy the writings of your better.
A whole chain of events, ending with my failing to win the Nobel Prize. I'm not going to pass up the Nobel Prize for the sake of posting a swing video.
A whole chain of events, ending with my failing to win the Nobel Prize. I'm not going to pass up the Nobel Prize for the sake of posting a swing video.
I gotta agree with Zo on this one. I don't understand why anyone would want to post a swing vid. I guess I have a little bit of paranoia in regard to my identity and the Internet. Even if I didn't care about those types of things, I'm not sure what there is to gain by it. Granted, as a hack, I get my fair share of golf ridicule in real life, so I don't need to supplement it online.
Serious question here: shouldn't the post you refer to be the natural result of a sound grip, stance and swing rather than something you need to consciously think about? It seems like your drills are designed to fight a tendancy to come OTT. I have found that if spine angle doesn't change before the ball is hit then OTT is not much of an issue.
OTT is the "natural" way we would swing. It is the way girls throw. Beginners swing their shoulders before their hips, with no or late weight shift. They look down at that ball and find it impossible NOT to swing before establishing a front leg "post."
So yes, good golfers have all learned to do what is NOT natural. And because the golf swing is a combination of conscious and subconscious movements, we must get ourselves into a correct top position and then "handoff" to our subconscious for the fast weight shift and downswing. Exactly as a baseball pitcher or a tennis server must get his foundation right before he throws or swings-- we must arrive at a correct top position before we have any chance to downswing correctly-- and not slice across two fairways.
Smart athletes rehearse like a musician learns a new tune--trainers help them. First he has the student find and play the notes one at a time--and then slowly accelerates to make it music. Baseball pitchers and batters rehearse in slow motion, watch themselves in mirrors, pose at impact, etc. So do serious tennis servers. In fact many sports movements are learned by first showing or demonstrating to our subconscious mind what we want to do at high speed-- when events are occurring too fast for conscious control. And if that is done correctly, with patience and persistence-- suddenly we can do it! Quite often such plateau improvements occur after an overnight sleep-- during which the subconscious mind kept working on it.
Harvey Penick wrote in his "Little Red Book" that golf improvement is known to occur in 5-stroke increments--
OTT is the "natural" way we would swing. It is the way girls throw. Beginners swing their shoulders before their hips, with no or late weight shift. They look down at that ball and find it impossible NOT to swing before establishing a front leg "post."
So yes, good golfers have all learned to do what is NOT natural. And because the golf swing is a combination of conscious and subconscious movements, we must get ourselves into a correct top position and then "handoff" to our subconscious for the fast weight shift and downswing. Exactly as a baseball pitcher or a tennis server must get his foundation right before he throws or swings-- we must arrive at a correct top position before we have any chance to downswing correctly-- and not slice across two fairways.
Smart athletes rehearse like a musician learns a new tune--trainers help them. First he has the student find and play the notes one at a time--and then slowly accelerates to make it music. Baseball pitchers and batters rehearse in slow motion, watch themselves in mirrors, pose at impact, etc. So do serious tennis servers. In fact many sports movements are learned by first showing or demonstrating to our subconscious mind what we want to do at high speed-- when events are occurring too fast for conscious control. And if that is done correctly, with patience and persistence-- suddenly we can do it! Quite often such plateau improvements occur after an overnight sleep-- during which the subconscious mind kept working on it.
Harvey Penick wrote in his "Little Red Book" that golf improvement is known to occur in 5-stroke increments--
Larry
Smart musicians don't post their slow motion drills on line. There are many very good educational videos that do a better job than your videos. While I appreciate you sharing your swing thoughts and parallels with learning a musical instrument it doesn't mean I want to watch you struggle through a poor slow motion drill anymore than I would want to watch someone struggle to play a scale on a musical instrument. I would rather listen/watch a talented accomplished person perform the drill.
OTT is the "natural" way we would swing. It is the way girls throw. Beginners swing their shoulders before their hips, with no or late weight shift. They look down at that ball and find it impossible NOT to swing before establishing a front leg "post."
So yes, good golfers have all learned to do what is NOT natural. And because the golf swing is a combination of conscious and subconscious movements, we must get ourselves into a correct top position and then "handoff" to our subconscious for the fast weight shift and downswing. Exactly as a baseball pitcher or a tennis server must get his foundation right before he throws or swings-- we must arrive at a correct top position before we have any chance to downswing correctly-- and not slice across two fairways.
Smart athletes rehearse like a musician learns a new tune--trainers help them. First he has the student find and play the notes one at a time--and then slowly accelerates to make it music. Baseball pitchers and batters rehearse in slow motion, watch themselves in mirrors, pose at impact, etc. So do serious tennis servers. In fact many sports movements are learned by first showing or demonstrating to our subconscious mind what we want to do at high speed-- when events are occurring too fast for conscious control. And if that is done correctly, with patience and persistence-- suddenly we can do it! Quite often such plateau improvements occur after an overnight sleep-- during which the subconscious mind kept working on it.
Harvey Penick wrote in his "Little Red Book" that golf improvement is known to occur in 5-stroke increments--
Larry
I was reading an instructional article today while at the airport. It said that once we get to the top of the golf swing the next move should be to let the club and hands fall behind the back prior to doing anything else. After that we begin to turn our hips. I had never read this before but it makes sense. I am a good golfer but I know I come OTT and could probably get another 20 yards in driving if I corrected it. I can feel the OTT in my swing and feel the lost power. I still hit it pretty far but know there more potential. I'm going to try letting my hands fall behind prior to turning.
I was reading an instructional article today while at the airport. It said that once we get to the top of the golf swing the next move should be to let the club and hands fall behind the back prior to doing anything else. After that we begin to turn our hips. I had never read this before but it makes sense. I am a good golfer but I know I come OTT and could probably get another 20 yards in driving if I corrected it. I can feel the OTT in my swing and feel the lost power. I still hit it pretty far but know there more potential. I'm going to try letting my hands fall behind prior to turning.
Was that the Zach Johnson article? I read that at the hospital yesterday...
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I'm beginning to appreciate Larry. He has some decent tips and likes to talk golf. He should play ping eye 2s instead of callaway but what the heck. Btw...I tried my ping eye 2s next to some wilsons I've thought of buying and the pings are far and away better. If ypou haven't tried them do it now.
I gotta agree with Zo on this one. I don't understand why anyone would want to post a swing vid. I guess I have a little bit of paranoia in regard to my identity and the Internet. Even if I didn't care about those types of things, I'm not sure what there is to gain by it. Granted, as a hack, I get my fair share of golf ridicule in real life, so I don't need to supplement it online.
Come on.. cowards.. identity? I'm worried about my CC numbers, about my social security number going out on the web, sure.... but my face? Geez, what can anyone do to me there? I'm already ugly. And old. There are tens of millions of faces on youtube vids, nobody CARES.
if I was a 22 yr old beauty queen I'd worry about this, but not otherwise.
So HS, are you a 22 yr old beauty queen?
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I was reading an instructional article today while at the airport. It said that once we get to the top of the golf swing the next move should be to let the club and hands fall behind the back prior to doing anything else. After that we begin to turn our hips. I had never read this before but it makes sense. I am a good golfer but I know I come OTT and could probably get another 20 yards in driving if I corrected it. I can feel the OTT in my swing and feel the lost power. I still hit it pretty far but know there more potential. I'm going to try letting my hands fall behind prior to turning.
If it were that easy, there would be no market for golf swing teachers. Everyone would just hit them straight down the middle and hit the greens from the fairways. Golf would be so easy it would be boring, like Racketball.
But the golf swing is difficult because a large portion of it is performed by our subconscious-- and entails moves that are NOT "natural." They must be laboriously learned and ingrained. Few will do what is necessary, hence an average handicap of over 100. Most amateurs hit it sideways so often that they have no hope of scoring.
You can learn to avoid OTT, to start with hips instead of shoulders-- but it would require a few days or weeks of serious rehearsals, probably in slow motion, etc. You would need to do what you would need to do to learn to play "Mary had a little lamb" on piano. You couldn't play it fast at first-- you would have to laboriously find each note and learn which finger plays it--then play it extremely slowly-- then a little faster, then a little faster, and finally it would sound like music. And, you would be able to reproduce that for years, maybe your whole life. Each time you sat down at a piano keyboard, your brain and your fingers would "remember" what you had ingrained. The golf swing--or the tennis serve, or the baseball batting or throwing motion, the bowling delivery, etc. etc. is the same thing. Do the hard work to ingrain the correct moves--and you will always own it.
But most amateurs don't want to do that. They just want to hit it far NOW! So they do the equivalent of picking up a guitar and quickly memorizing only the first few notes of a few songs-- They learn only to make noise.
Sorry to have to tell you the bad news--that came to me the same way. When I finally realized the truth, that the golf swing is no different than learning to play a musical instrument or even a foreign language, that it would require serious work and persistance, I embarked on a series of lessons and drills as necessary to learn a correct golf swing. I will persist. I hope you will too.
Come on.. cowards.. identity? I'm worried about my CC numbers, about my social security number going out on the web, sure.... but my face? Geez, what can anyone do to me there? I'm already ugly. And old. There are tens of millions of faces on youtube vids, nobody CARES.
if I was a 22 yr old beauty queen I'd worry about this, but not otherwise.
So HS, are you a 22 yr old beauty queen?
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It doesn't bother you at all that any nut job that stumbles onto this forum knows your full name and where you live? Ahhh, yer probably right, I've just been watching too much dateline. I'm not 22, but I am beautiful, but not a queen. It does seem criminal to deprive the forum of my good looks and God-awful swing. Tell you what, if Horseballs, Lorenzo, NaH, Kiwi, and Dorky etc. post a vid, I'll fall in line. Deal?
It doesn't bother you at all that any nut job that stumbles onto this forum knows your full name and where you live? Ahhh, yer probably right, I've just been watching too much dateline. I'm not 22, but I am beautiful, but not a queen. It does seem criminal to deprive the forum of my good looks and God-awful swing. Tell you what, if Horseballs, Lorenzo, NaH, Kiwi, and Dorky etc. post a vid, I'll fall in line. Deal?
Careful using the "queen" word around this forum . . . . . . I'm just trying to warn you . . . . . . . . . if you don't want a couple of members on here filling up your e-mail account with naked photos of themselves accompanied by explicit propositions, then don't tease them with the "queen" word . . . . .
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