The people have spoken - Nickent Golf Clubs are Legit!

[Kiwi Player]

With a resounding 83% support in an Official GR Poll Nickent Golf Clubs are now GR legit and this fact can no longer be questioned.

As you know GR Polls are binding so when I unveil my new 4DX Evolver driver on the 1st tee this Saturday I will feel proud in the knowledge that I am unleashing a club that has Official GR Certification.

280 yard bombs down the center of the fairway will further validate this great golf brand.

[famousdavis]

With a resounding 83% support in an Official GR Poll Nickent Golf Clubs are now GR legit and this fact can no longer be questioned.

As you know GR Polls are binding so when I unveil my new 4DX Evolver driver on the 1st tee this Saturday I will feel proud in the knowledge that I am unleashing a club that has Official GR Certification.

280 yard bombs down the center of the fairway will further validate this great golf brand.

Well, if nothing else you'll probably be the only one on the course playing that driver. This leads me to another question about a club you seldom see. I hit the Cleveland TA2 in the simulator today and it felt fantastic. It has a really soft feel for a non-forged club. I love the setup as well. Very little offset and a nice profile. Anyone ever tried this iron?

I also saw some Nickent irons that were sort of a hyrbird, hollow type and they looked horrible. They were like new and going for $119. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[jt1135]

You are right, they aren't very good looking. Kind of reminds me of another brand of iron that you just adore. Plus, you are generallizing the brand. The discusssion was about the driver.

[12sandwich]

The Nickent ARC blades are gorgeous. The 4dx driver is pretty good looking from address. Some of there hybrids look ok. Some of there irons are hideous. I,m not a big Nickent fanboy, by no means. I,m more a Mizuno man, I just cant stand there drivers. I just like the distance, and the ease of hitting the 4dx driver, and the ease of changing driver shafts, I broke another shaft, yesterday, my fuji fit on e-360 stiff. I just popped another one in, a vs proto by you, in stiff. Its like having a tour van at home. P.s I,m also enjoying playing these Maxfli blades combo set, Op covets, and I,ve got a couple rounds under my belt, and a couple hundred balls in the backyard with the Z-101s. I havent played my Mizunos, or the Ping becus this season, or anything else. Just the same old tat.

[Kiwi Player]

The Nickent ARC blades are gorgeous. The 4dx driver is pretty good looking from address. Some of there hybrids look ok. Some of there irons are hideous. I,m not a big Nickent fanboy, by no means. I,m more a Mizuno man, I just cant stand there drivers. I just like the distance, and the ease of hitting the 4dx driver, and the ease of changing driver shafts, I broke another shaft, yesterday, my fuji fit on e-360 stiff. I just popped another one in, a vs proto by you, in stiff. Its like having a tour van at home. P.s I,m also enjoying playing these Maxfli blades combo set, Op covets, and I,ve got a couple rounds under my belt, and a couple hundred balls in the backyard with the Z-101s. I havent played my Mizunos, or the Ping becus this season, or anything else. Just the same old tat.

Just arrived today and I agree it looks really nice at address. Might take it for a hit at the range on Friday if I find time or else it will just go straight in the bag on Saturday morning.

As for the interchangeable shafts do they have to be shafts made specially for the 4DX or are there other interchangeable shaft options available?

[Kiwi Player]

Well, if nothing else you'll probably be the only one on the course playing that driver. This leads me to another question about a club you seldom see. I hit the Cleveland TA2 in the simulator today and it felt fantastic. It has a really soft feel for a non-forged club. I love the setup as well. Very little offset and a nice profile. Anyone ever tried this iron?

I also saw some Nickent irons that were sort of a hyrbird, hollow type and they looked horrible. They were like new and going for $119. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Yeah I hit those a few years ago and thought they were really nice. I was a bit of a Cleveland guy back then and was thinking of buying these off a low marker at my club. I didn't buy them in the end because I thought I wasn't good enough to play them and the guy wanted too much for them. I think Cleveland's Ta series were great in general. They kind of lost their way with the more recent CG series and Hi Bore Drivers and woods.

[Horseballs]

Just arrived today and I agree it looks really nice at address. Might take it for a hit at the range on Friday if I find time or else it will just go straight in the bag on Saturday morning.

As for the interchangeable shafts do they have to be shafts made specially for the 4DX or are there other interchangeable shaft options available?

Don't hit too many range balls. Those Nickents break after 100 shots.

[12sandwich]

Just arrived today and I agree it looks really nice at address. Might take it for a hit at the range on Friday if I find time or else it will just go straight in the bag on Saturday morning.

As for the interchangeable shafts do they have to be shafts made specially for the 4DX or are there other interchangeable shaft options available?

Driver shafts come in 2 flavors. .335 and .350 the evolver uses a .350 shaft. Plenty of choices available. There pretty common. Hopefully you got a t handle torque wrench, which is used to remove the screw at the bottom of clubhead. That end at the tip of the shaft, is removed by heating a little, which loosens the glue or epoxy bond. Just put it on another shaft of your choice. Your Cleveland is going to be lonely.

[famousdavis]

I have to admit I know nothing about Nickent clubs or this particular driver. It does beg the question of whether there is any difference in what Nickent manufactures vs. Taylormade, Titleist, Ping or Callaway. Don't all of these manufacturers design in-house and then have the club's parts manufactured and then assembled in China? I can't imagine them shipping all the parts to China just to have them assembled.

I'm not talking about some no name company where there's no quality control or cheap sets you can buy at sporting good stores. I'm talking about TourEdge, Nickent, Powerbilt, Macgregor, etc. Or, the higher end companies like Nakashima and Wishon.

Please excuse my ignorance on this topic.

[Kiwi Player]

Driver shafts come in 2 flavors. .335 and .350 the evolver uses a .350 shaft. Plenty of choices available. There pretty common. Hopefully you got a t handle torque wrench, which is used to remove the screw at the bottom of clubhead. That end at the tip of the shaft, is removed by heating a little, which loosens the glue or epoxy bond. Just put it on another shaft of your choice. Your Cleveland is going to be lonely.

Thanks 12sandwich. Yes the torque wrench came with it. Looking forward to giving it a trial run. Hopefully I'll like the existing shaft and won't need to go looking at others but if I do it will be interesting trying out different shafts.

Thanks for your help.

Kiwi

[CPS]

Just because you can occasionally get a decent picture from a cheap plastic 3.5f camera lens doesn't mean professional photographers are going to give up their 4-figure glass anytime soon... Nickent is a Casio at best while Titleist & Ping are still like Canon & Nikon.

[12sandwich]

Just arrived today and I agree it looks really nice at address. Might take it for a hit at the range on Friday if I find time or else it will just go straight in the bag on Saturday morning.

As for the interchangeable shafts do they have to be shafts made specially for the 4DX or are there other interchangeable shaft options available?

Kiwi I kind of struggled with 460cc drivers. Sure I bought and tried countless melon headed drivers. The burner, tour burner tp, 907d1, an r9, a cgb max, a mx 560 etc.. The 4dx driver looks smaller then any of the current drivers. It actually looks similar to my r7 tp 425 from address, that I kept putting back in the bag. How someone can play something as ugly as a burner or some of titleist newer offerings is beyond me.

[12sandwich]

I have to admit I know nothing about Nickent clubs or this particular driver. It does beg the question of whether there is any difference in what Nickent manufactures vs. Taylormade, Titleist, Ping or Callaway. Don't all of these manufacturers design in-house and then have the club's parts manufactured and then assembled in China? I can't imagine them shipping all the parts to China just to have them assembled.

I'm not talking about some no name company where there's no quality control or cheap sets you can buy at sporting good stores. I'm talking about TourEdge, Nickent, Powerbilt, Macgregor, etc. Or, the higher end companies like Nakashima and Wishon.

Please excuse my ignorance on this topic.

I'm with you on the ignorance. It's pretty obvious there mostly made in China, or the higher end stuff is maybe Japan.
With everybody conforming to a certain c.o.r, I don't see how there can be much difference, but there is.
I know this, it's going to take something pretty revolutionary to kick my Nickent driver out of the bag. Moneys not the object, it's performance.

[fred3]

Strangely enough hitting any club in a simulator has about zero relevance to actually putting it into play on a golf course. Yet the tens of thousands of sheep continue to purchase the "latest thing" in golf in trying to buy a better game. Ain't gonna happen.

If a club feels good to a player that rarely shoots decent scores it only underlines the fact they haven't developed any feel to judge whether or not a club will be right for them. Since only a small portion of amateurs will ever really understand the swing and be able to put it into practice they're better off just getting clubs fit to their swing/build and accept the fact they're doomed to be lifelong hackers that enjoy being out of doors and flirting with par(and on occasion...birdie).

Since nothing that anyone posts here can be proven(the internet is home to the largest liars club in the world)then it follows that any advice given on the internet should be questioned as to it's validity. As for taking some posers word that one driver is soooo great while using in a simulator borders on the believer being just slightly more intelligent than the local compost pile.

Go to a range and hit it for yourself, but be honest in questioning yourself whether or not you can transfer your swing from the range to the course. I've heard/seen more B.S. on the range and seen it all fall apart on the course....then excuses are sure to follow.

If the club feels good and you have the cash to spare...buy it, but don't expect it to correct a swing that has major flaws to begin with....it won't ever happen.

It irks me to listen to you internet experts try and convince others what to buy, how to swing, where to play, who to like(professional touring pros)when for all we know you're stuck in some prison/mom's basement with posting on forums your only form of entertainment. It's the INTERNET...BE CYNICAL!!!

[fred3]

Strangely enough hitting any club in a simulator has about zero relevance to actually putting it into play on a golf course. Yet the tens of thousands of sheep continue to purchase the "latest thing" in golf in trying to buy a better game. Ain't gonna happen.

If a club feels good to a player that rarely shoots decent scores it only underlines the fact they haven't developed any feel to judge whether or not a club will be right for them. Since only a small portion of amateurs will ever really understand the swing and be able to put it into practice they're better off just getting clubs fit to their swing/build and accept the fact they're doomed to be lifelong hackers that enjoy being out of doors and flirting with par(and on occasion...birdie).

Since nothing that anyone posts here can be proven(the internet is home to the largest liars club in the world)then it follows that any advice given on the internet should be questioned as to it's validity. As for taking some posers word that one driver is soooo great while using in a simulator borders on the believer being just slightly more intelligent than the local compost pile.

Go to a range and hit it for yourself, but be honest in questioning yourself whether or not you can transfer your swing from the range to the course. I've heard/seen more B.S. on the range and seen it all fall apart on the course....then excuses are sure to follow.

If the club feels good and you have the cash to spare...buy it, but don't expect it to correct a swing that has major flaws to begin with....it won't ever happen.

It irks me to listen to you internet experts try and convince others what to buy, how to swing, where to play, who to like(professional touring pros)when for all we know you're stuck in some prison/mom's basement with posting on forums your only form of entertainment. It's the INTERNET...BE CYNICAL!!!

[noshuz]

Fred3 it appears you have a slight stutter to your posts. Is it that Mel Tillis sydrome? Try singing when you click on "Submit Reply"

[Kiwi Player]

Strangely enough hitting any club in a simulator has about zero relevance to actually putting it into play on a golf course. Yet the tens of thousands of sheep continue to purchase the "latest thing" in golf in trying to buy a better game. Ain't gonna happen.

If a club feels good to a player that rarely shoots decent scores it only underlines the fact they haven't developed any feel to judge whether or not a club will be right for them. Since only a small portion of amateurs will ever really understand the swing and be able to put it into practice they're better off just getting clubs fit to their swing/build and accept the fact they're doomed to be lifelong hackers that enjoy being out of doors and flirting with par(and on occasion...birdie).

Since nothing that anyone posts here can be proven(the internet is home to the largest liars club in the world)then it follows that any advice given on the internet should be questioned as to it's validity. As for taking some posers word that one driver is soooo great while using in a simulator borders on the believer being just slightly more intelligent than the local compost pile.

Go to a range and hit it for yourself, but be honest in questioning yourself whether or not you can transfer your swing from the range to the course. I've heard/seen more B.S. on the range and seen it all fall apart on the course....then excuses are sure to follow.

If the club feels good and you have the cash to spare...buy it, but don't expect it to correct a swing that has major flaws to begin with....it won't ever happen.

It irks me to listen to you internet experts try and convince others what to buy, how to swing, where to play, who to like(professional touring pros)when for all we know you're stuck in some prison/mom's basement with posting on forums your only form of entertainment. It's the INTERNET...BE CYNICAL!!!

Hey Guys!

I know NAH and HB have the Fred3 Antagonizer Awards sewn up but have either of them ever received such a long winded, lucid and erudite post as this one?

Surely I must be up for some sort of special mention award?

[noshuz]

Hey Guys!

I know NAH and HB have the Fred3 Antagonizer Awards sewn up but have either of them ever received such a long winded, lucid and erudite post as this one?

Surely I must be up for some sort of special mention award?

The wanker probably thought he was using another personality. It's been happening alot lately. Probably comes with old age.

[SoonerBS]

He almost had an entire post that was golf related. Almost . . . . . . .

[famousdavis]

Hey Guys!

I know NAH and HB have the Fred3 Antagonizer Awards sewn up but have either of them ever received such a long winded, lucid and erudite post as this one?

Surely I must be up for some sort of special mention award?

I was a Golfmart today and they had your Nickent driver in the used bin for $79 so I guess you got a good deal. I tried it indoors next to the adams Speedline 9046SL whatever. The Nickent actually felt really good. It had the Fujikura 360 Fit on Regular shaft. It had that nice sound that I like in a driver. Not "thuddy" sounding or aluminum bat sounding. Kind of like the typical Callaway Driver sound. I'm positive it's the exact same driver head you bought.

[lorenzoinoc]

Just because you can occasionally get a decent picture from a cheap plastic 3.5f camera lens doesn't mean professional photographers are going to give up their 4-figure glass anytime soon... Nickent is a Casio at best while Titleist & Ping are still like Canon & Nikon.

Nickent has back focus issues along with excessive noise at high ISO because their automatic nature doesn't fit many shot situations.

Titleist and Ping offer user adjustability making possible much higher quality results.

[Kiwi Player]

Just because you can occasionally get a decent picture from a cheap plastic 3.5f camera lens doesn't mean professional photographers are going to give up their 4-figure glass anytime soon... Nickent is a Casio at best while Titleist & Ping are still like Canon & Nikon.

The point being that none of us are professionals so the Casio will be just fine.

In fact the one professional on this forum, Pingman, uses a Casio for swing analysis during lessons so your analogy is screwed right there!

[12sandwich]

Thanks 12sandwich. Yes the torque wrench came with it. Looking forward to giving it a trial run. Hopefully I'll like the existing shaft and won't need to go looking at others but if I do it will be interesting trying out different shafts.

Thanks for your help.

Kiwi

Lets here how how you hit it? All over the place? Long, Short, right , left, pop ups.Wormburners. I,ve not hit that shaft. Kind of curious.

[Kiwi Player]

Lets here how how you hit it? All over the place? Long, Short, right , left, pop ups.Wormburners. I,ve not hit that shaft. Kind of curious.

Very solid. Extremely pleased with this club. The first few hits at the range were low and left. The next half a dozen or so were straight down the middle on a perfect trajectory. Not too high, not too low. I was hitting into the wind on the range and it was the perfect ball flight for a shot into the wind.

On the course I didn't hit it that well but that was my swing not the club. Have guests staying for the weekend and I had a few too many drinks Friday night and my golf Saturday morning was a bit scratchy. However this club is long! I also noticed my misses weren't as bad as they usually are with the Launcher. Only two bad drives. The rest were good. Later in the round I hit a couple of bombs that were much longer than my usual drives with the Launcher on those holes. I used my buddies Skycaddie to measure one of my best drives and it was 257m which converts to 281 yards so I was pretty happy with that.

I'm playing again today and I think I am going to love this club as I get more familiar with it. Shaft feels very solid to me and the ball feels great off the clubface.

As a footnote and for all those giving me sh*t about the Nickent brand. The reason I bought it is because a buddy of mine was buying a Callaway driver off Rock Bottom Golf and asked if any of us wanted to buy something too in order to share the shipping costs all the way from the states. Well, he took his POS Callaway club to the range on Friday and after about 4 swings heard a funny crack. His driver now has a nice rattle and sounds even tinnier than usual, although we know all Callaway drivers sound like an aluminum baseball bat hitting a garbage can. Not sure what he is gonna do? May have to ship it all they way back to RBG for an exchange. I guess that's just the price you pay for buying POS clubs from an overrated, ripoff brand like Callaway.

[12sandwich]

Very solid. Extremely pleased with this club. The first few hits at the range were low and left. The next half a dozen or so were straight down the middle on a perfect trajectory. Not too high, not too low. I was hitting into the wind on the range and it was the perfect ball flight for a shot into the wind.

On the course I didn't hit it that well but that was my swing not the club. Have guests staying for the weekend and I had a few too many drinks Friday night and my golf Saturday morning was a bit scratchy. However this club is long! I also noticed my misses weren't as bad as they usually are with the Launcher. Only two bad drives. The rest were good. Later in the round I hit a couple of bombs that were much longer than my usual drives with the Launcher on those holes. I used my buddies Skycaddie to measure one of my best drives and it was 257m which converts to 281 yards so I was pretty happy with that.

I'm playing again today and I think I am going to love this club as I get more familiar with it. Shaft feels very solid to me and the ball feels great off the clubface.

As a footnote and for all those giving me sh*t about the Nickent brand. The reason I bought it is because a buddy of mine was buying a Callaway driver off Rock Bottom Golf and asked if any of us wanted to buy something too in order to share the shipping costs all the way from the states. Well, he took his POS Callaway club to the range on Friday and after about 4 swings heard a funny crack. His driver now has a nice rattle and sounds even tinnier than usual, although we know all Callaway drivers sound like an aluminum baseball bat hitting a garbage can. Not sure what he is gonna do? May have to ship it all they way back to RBG for an exchange. I guess that's just the price you pay for buying POS clubs from an overrated, ripoff brand like Callaway.

It gets better when you groove it. I absolutely bombed most of my drives today, alot of fairways were hit. I didnt even try a fade all day, slight draws is all I hit. It was a best ball 2 man deal. The Nickents looking a little rough though, The last shaft snap had my driver head skipping across the cartpath. I have another one thats new, but this ones still bombing them. I,ve probably hit it close to a thousand times, with no issues whatsoever, other than 2 shafts breaking. You got you a bad mo fo kiwi, enjoy it.

[famousdavis]

Kiwi,

You should buy these to give you the full Nickent experience.

[Kiwi Player]

Kiwi,

You should buy these to give you the full Nickent experience.

Thanks FD but I think I have enough sets of irons. Whilst I'm sure they are great irons and far superior to anything Ping have ever produced they wouldn't be in the same league as my two sets of GFF or my Z101s.

[12sandwich]

Thanks FD but I think I have enough sets of irons. Whilst I'm sure they are great irons and far superior to anything Ping have ever produced they wouldn't be in the same league as my two sets of GFF or my Z101s.

A buddy of mine bought the 9 deg with the pershing in stiff, it seems it said made for Nickent. He seems to be struggling with rather low tee shots. I hit a couple, and it seemed less then flex, but I hit it a little low as well, and I hit rather high normally. Its the shaft. I,m going to let him try a proforce v2 in stiff, they seem pretty stable.

[Pky6471]

Kiwi,

You should buy these to give you the full Nickent experience.

I like the look... given the correct shaft I could hit it well... Currently I have a Nickent 5-W/H ... it's a hybrid with equivalent distance of a 5-W. I like it

[Kiwi Player]

A buddy of mine bought the 9 deg with the pershing in stiff, it seems it said made for Nickent. He seems to be struggling with rather low tee shots. I hit a couple, and it seemed less then flex, but I hit it a little low as well, and I hit rather high normally. Its the shaft. I,m going to let him try a proforce v2 in stiff, they seem pretty stable.

When I ordered mine the only two shafts available were the UST SR3 or Pershing both in stiff. I decided to try the Pershing since it's a shaft NAH has raved about in the past. I was hitting them a bit low to start with but I'm getting good height now.

I see they have more options available now but the Proforce V2 or V2HL is only available in Regular.

What do you know about the UST SR3?

[12sandwich]

When I ordered mine the only two shafts available were the UST SR3 or Pershing both in stiff. I decided to try the Pershing since it's a shaft NAH has raved about in the past. I was hitting them a bit low to start with but I'm getting good height now.

I see they have more options available now but the Proforce V2 or V2HL is only available in Regular.

What do you know about the UST SR3?

Cant remember hitting the UST SR3. I really like the Fujikura fit on e-360. I could live with the v2. Guess what? The cyg shafts fit in the Evolver, as I put a YSQ TourAD, Graphite Design in my brothers driver, that I had laying around, as he broke a really nice fuji 6x07.I as well have an Evolver shaft in mine at the moment, which just leaves the head neutral, in the normal loft.
I played in a 4 man best ball that benefited a kids wrestling club, over the weekend. I came within 10 yards of hitting the longest drive. My driving was on fire all day, the other 3 might as well have put there drivers away.

[Not a hacker]

When I ordered mine the only two shafts available were the UST SR3 or Pershing both in stiff. I decided to try the Pershing since it's a shaft NAH has raved about in the past. I was hitting them a bit low to start with but I'm getting good height now.

I see they have more options available now but the Proforce V2 or V2HL is only available in Regular.

What do you know about the UST SR3?

You pulled the right horse getting aPershing Kiwi. Not sure if yours is a legit aftermarket or not, but even if it isn't genuine afetrmarket it would be way better than the SR3. I hit a 4DX with one of those shafts in it and it was the absolute worst shaft I've ever seen. I can't believe they would put crap like that in their drivers, it would put me off buying one. And I got a couple out of the sweet spot so I felt how good the head was, the bad performance was purely a shaft issue. I would love to get one with a Pershing in it, your driver should be a beast with that combo.

[12sandwich]

You pulled the right horse getting aPershing Kiwi. Not sure if yours is a legit aftermarket or not, but even if it isn't genuine afetrmarket it would be way better than the SR3. I hit a 4DX with one of those shafts in it and it was the absolute worst shaft I've ever seen. I can't believe they would put crap like that in their drivers, it would put me off buying one. And I got a couple out of the sweet spot so I felt how good the head was, the bad performance was purely a shaft issue. I would love to get one with a Pershing in it, your driver should be a beast with that combo.

I could see if you were a low ball hitter, you could struggle with a Pershing. I am not, so I hit my buddys driver just fine. But the shaft sure seemed to wiggle all over the place. It was, a made for Nickent shaft, none of the shafts I have say made for.

[famousdavis]

You pulled the right horse getting aPershing Kiwi. Not sure if yours is a legit aftermarket or not, but even if it isn't genuine afetrmarket it would be way better than the SR3. I hit a 4DX with one of those shafts in it and it was the absolute worst shaft I've ever seen. I can't believe they would put crap like that in their drivers, it would put me off buying one. And I got a couple out of the sweet spot so I felt how good the head was, the bad performance was purely a shaft issue. I would love to get one with a Pershing in it, your driver should be a beast with that combo.

Can you still buy the Aldila HM-40 shaft? That's what I had in my original Taylor Made Burner steel driver. On another note, when I was in St. Louis I went to an Edwin Watts and they had the Nickent drivers for $49.99. They looked OK at address but I hate that green color on the sole.

[famousdavis]

With a resounding 83% support in an Official GR Poll Nickent Golf Clubs are now GR legit and this fact can no longer be questioned.

As you know GR Polls are binding so when I unveil my new 4DX Evolver driver on the 1st tee this Saturday I will feel proud in the knowledge that I am unleashing a club that has Official GR Certification.

280 yard bombs down the center of the fairway will further validate this great golf brand.

I guess this is a question for the Mizuno players like Kiwi, OP and Sooner (12Sandwich?)....have any of you played the Mizuno MP-37 irons? There's a guy in town selling a like new set for $270 and I'm looking into it. I'm thinking of trying blades for awhile.

[Horseballs]

I could see if you were a low ball hitter, you could struggle with a Pershing. I am not, so I hit my buddys driver just fine. But the shaft sure seemed to wiggle all over the place. It was, a made for Nickent shaft, none of the shafts I have say made for.

Makes sense. Shaft manufacturers are likely to give all their rejects to Nickent. One of the good OEM's would scold Graphite Design if their "made for" shafts were too bad, but Nickent has no leverage. It's not like GD would be losing a valuable client if Nickent dumped them. It's also not like the people who buy Nickent would know the difference in any shaft either. As I've said before, Nickent is a bankrupt hybrid company that created garbage clubs for garbage players.

[famousdavis]

Makes sense. Shaft manufacturers are likely to give all their rejects to Nickent. One of the good OEM's would scold Graphite Design if their "made for" shafts were too bad, but Nickent has no leverage. It's not like GD would be losing a valuable client if Nickent dumped them. It's also not like the people who buy Nickent would know the difference in any shaft either. As I've said before, Nickent is a bankrupt hybrid company that created garbage clubs for garbage players.

I noticed at Golfgalaxy that Nickent has a very small display section wedged somewhere between Titleist and Cobra. The display carried some fairway woods and hybrids and that's it. They also have a new Pipe putter but it's already got the red tags indicating a discount. After 2 months I believe they haven't sold any of them. That's pretty scary that I've been there enough to monitor their inventory.

[12sandwich]

I guess this is a question for the Mizuno players like Kiwi, OP and Sooner (12Sandwich?)....have any of you played the Mizuno MP-37 irons? There's a guy in town selling a like new set for $270 and I'm looking into it. I'm thinking of trying blades for awhile.

I think Op sold his. I still have a set. I would think you would keep your eyes open for a set of 67s? There some of the prettiest Mizunos ever made, the mp-37. I'm tossIng around a mixed set of mp-60 and mp-37, and maybe the mx-23 in the 3,4. I would work on that price, unless there stunning.

[oldplayer]

The 37's were one of the most difficult blades to hit FD. So perfect for a top player like yourself. The higher muscle position also gave them a lower ballflight which most high swingspeed players prefer.
I agree with NAH the UST SR3 shaft that came in the original 4dx was crap. I swapped mine out for a speeder 686 and the club was excellent then. Rockbottom golf are selling 4dx evelvers for $50 atm.

[lorenzoinoc]

Makes sense. Shaft manufacturers are likely to give all their rejects to Nickent. One of the good OEM's would scold Graphite Design if their "made for" shafts were too bad, but Nickent has no leverage. It's not like GD would be losing a valuable client if Nickent dumped them. It's also not like the people who buy Nickent would know the difference in any shaft either. As I've said before, Nickent is a bankrupt hybrid company that created garbage clubs for garbage players.

People that play Nickents typically shower even less than the average italian.

[famousdavis]

The 37's were one of the most difficult blades to hit FD. So perfect for a top player like yourself. The higher muscle position also gave them a lower ballflight which most high swingspeed players prefer.
I agree with NAH the UST SR3 shaft that came in the original 4dx was crap. I swapped mine out for a speeder 686 and the club was excellent then. Rockbottom golf are selling 4dx evelvers for $50 atm.

I may bag them just to show off my excellent ballstriking skills. I'm fairly certain that I hit the ball better than 95% of the golfers (or so they call themselves) on this forum. Guys like Kiwi and Sooner would stand with mouthes agape if they saw me hitting balls. They wouldn't believe their eyes. Yes, I'm feeling froggy today.

[daveperkins]

I may bag them just to show off my excellent ballstriking skills. I'm fairly certain that I hit the ball better than 95% of the golfers (or so they call themselves) on this forum. Guys like Kiwi and Sooner would stand with mouthes agape if they saw me hitting balls. They wouldn't believe their eyes. Yes, I'm feeling froggy today.

Well, I went to Rock Bottom and fired in for one of these Nickent 4DX evolvers today. Ordered 9* with Pershing in stiff, but I expect I will change it out to my favorite UST V2 at some point. Heard so many good things about the head (not just here btw) that I couldn't resist. Can't find 'em on Ebay anymore.

on Nickent irons, I got my dad a set of 3dx pros a few years back and he liked 'em, but recently he switched back to his old irons, so I think I will get the Nickents back. That would be fine with me, as I hit them as well as my Adams. I might have to put KBS in them if I have the interest, instead of the Nippons they have now. But they're ready for play. I tried to find a set of forged 4DX pros but they got thin on the ground. The 3DX pro iron is superb, even if it isn't forged.

[12sandwich]

The 37's were one of the most difficult blades to hit FD. So perfect for a top player like yourself. The higher muscle position also gave them a lower ballflight which most high swingspeed players prefer.
I agree with NAH the UST SR3 shaft that came in the original 4dx was crap. I swapped mine out for a speeder 686 and the club was excellent then. Rockbottom golf are selling 4dx evelvers for $50 atm.

Op I reshafted my 37s with some gs 95 shafts, I of course kept the s300 shafts as the serial # was on the ferulle. I reallly enjoy hitting the 7 through pw now, and find them very easy to hit. By the way I,m the high bidder on some tm 300 japanese market only, with rifle 5.5.

[oldplayer]

Op I reshafted my 37s with some gs 95 shafts, I of course kept the s300 shafts as the serial # was on the ferulle. I reallly enjoy hitting the 7 through pw now, and find them very easy to hit. By the way I,m the high bidder on some tm 300 japanese market only, with rifle 5.5.

Hope you win them. I bet you will love them. Very pure irons but not intimidating to hit. Has the ballflight and feel of a top class blade.

[Not a hacker]

The 37's were one of the most difficult blades to hit FD. So perfect for a top player like yourself. The higher muscle position also gave them a lower ballflight which most high swingspeed players prefer.
I agree with NAH the UST SR3 shaft that came in the original 4dx was crap. I swapped mine out for a speeder 686 and the club was excellent then. Rockbottom golf are selling 4dx evelvers for $50 atm.

50 bucks for an evolver is a great buy. Haven't actually hit one of the evolvers, but the 4DX Tour was a really popular driver with good players and was in plenty of bags on the Nationwide, even amongst guys who weren't Nickent staff players. The Nickent I hit was a 4DX Tour and when I hit one well even the crap SR3 shaft couldn't mask the pure feeling. Love the 905R I have but would like to get my hands on an evolver for $50.

[famousdavis]

50 bucks for an evolver is a great buy. Haven't actually hit one of the evolvers, but the 4DX Tour was a really popular driver with good players and was in plenty of bags on the Nationwide, even amongst guys who weren't Nickent staff players. The Nickent I hit was a 4DX Tour and when I hit one well even the crap SR3 shaft couldn't mask the pure feeling. Love the 905R I have but would like to get my hands on an evolver for $50.

Did you change out that shaft on the 905R? The one you were fading too much? I saw one the other day for $59 with a Matrix Red shaft but it was regular flex. Plus, it was 10.5 degrees.

[lorenzoinoc]

Did you change out that shaft on the 905R? The one you were fading too much? I saw one the other day for $59 with a Matrix Red shaft but it was regular flex. Plus, it was 10.5 degrees.

One of my friends went with the 10.5, even though he's used to less and has a healthy swing speed, put on a low launch shaft and has gotten really good results.

[famousdavis]

One of my friends went with the 10.5, even though he's used to less and has a healthy swing speed, put on a low launch shaft and has gotten really good results.

ZO, I have considered this as well. For one thing, I'm getting older and that usually leads to hitting the ball lower. I've also played with several people lately that have tempted me to go with a higher loft. The other day my buddy and I were paired with two Korean guys and one of the guys we played with could not have been taller than 5 foot 5. Everytime we hit our drives I thought I had outdriven him but I was wrong. He hit the ball very high but with very little spin. When it landed it would take a huge bounce and seem to roll forever. I have never really seen anything like it. He got much more roll than I did with my 8.5 Degree Callaway Diablo Edge Tour. I've played with other people as well who have sworn to have increased their driving distances after going to a higher lofted driver. Like you said, I think it's all about getting the right shaft on the club that maximizes clubhead speed and minimizes spin.

[mongrel]

ZO, I have considered this as well. For one thing, I'm getting older and that usually leads to hitting the ball lower. I've also played with several people lately that have tempted me to go with a higher loft. The other day my buddy and I were paired with two Korean guys and one of the guys we played with could not have been taller than 5 foot 5. Everytime we hit our drives I thought I had outdriven him but I was wrong. He hit the ball very high but with very little spin. When it landed it would take a huge bounce and seem to roll forever. I have never really seen anything like it. He got much more roll than I did with my 8.5 Degree Callaway Diablo Edge Tour. I've played with other people as well who have sworn to have increased their driving distances after going to a higher lofted driver. Like you said, I think it's all about getting the right shaft on the club that maximizes clubhead speed and minimizes spin.

I am currently on the prowl for an 11.5* Tit bore-through. I would prefer the 905R but would settle for a 905T. I just put a high launch shaft in my 9.5* R but all it did was raise the max height just a little bit and give a bunch more roll than any of my others. Of course shaft descriptions are all relative so my regular flex Prolite HL (high launch) is one rather stout stick of wound fibres that feels like it could handle 110-115 speed instead of my lowly 95-100. Shoulda got an A flex. So that's why I'm looking for 11.5*. I want that flight that takes off high and flattens out and goes in the air a long time. I want to be able to challenge mature trees in that guard the doglegs. Unfortunately there were not many 11.5's made and a lot of Old Farts and Women seem to be fishing in the Ebay pond. Phuque.

[lorenzoinoc]

ZO, I have considered this as well. For one thing, I'm getting older and that usually leads to hitting the ball lower. I've also played with several people lately that have tempted me to go with a higher loft. The other day my buddy and I were paired with two Korean guys and one of the guys we played with could not have been taller than 5 foot 5. Everytime we hit our drives I thought I had outdriven him but I was wrong. He hit the ball very high but with very little spin. When it landed it would take a huge bounce and seem to roll forever. I have never really seen anything like it. He got much more roll than I did with my 8.5 Degree Callaway Diablo Edge Tour. I've played with other people as well who have sworn to have increased their driving distances after going to a higher lofted driver. Like you said, I think it's all about getting the right shaft on the club that maximizes clubhead speed and minimizes spin.

Since you enjoy messing around with different clubs, it's probably worth trying.

[famousdavis]

I am currently on the prowl for an 11.5* Tit bore-through. I would prefer the 905R but would settle for a 905T. I just put a high launch shaft in my 9.5* R but all it did was raise the max height just a little bit and give a bunch more roll than any of my others. Of course shaft descriptions are all relative so my regular flex Prolite HL (high launch) is one rather stout stick of wound fibres that feels like it could handle 110-115 speed instead of my lowly 95-100. Shoulda got an A flex. So that's why I'm looking for 11.5*. I want that flight that takes off high and flattens out and goes in the air a long time. I want to be able to challenge mature trees in that guard the doglegs. Unfortunately there were not many 11.5's made and a lot of Old Farts and Women seem to be fishing in the Ebay pond. Phuque.

You confused me. You say above that you put a high launch shaft and that all it did was raise the ball height and provide more roll. I thought a high launch shaft would cause the ball to go higher AND create more spin, thereby creating LESS roll after hitting the fairway.

It's always been my understanding that to achieve the best roll you want less golf ball RPM's off the driver and the way to achieve that is through the correct combination of driver loft, driver head design and a shaft that fits your swing speed and rythm. I'd like to achieve a little higher flight but with more roll.

I'll give an example. A few years ago I had the Titleist 905R 9.5 with Graphic Desing YS-6+ Stiff. If I hit a little draw I could get termendous distance but anything straight or with a fade resulted in a shot that would climb, fall straight down and have almost no roll. I thought it was because the shaft was too soft or had too low a kick point. However, I've experienced even worse spin when playing with an extra stiff shaft. You can actually see the ball reacting to the spin in the air.

I guess the answer is to simply try a bunch of shafts until you find the one that keeps you in the fairway and provides optimal roll.

[mongrel]

[QUOTE=famousdavis;248692]You confused me. You say above that you put a high launch shaft and that all it did was raise the ball height and provide more roll. I thought a high launch shaft would cause the ball to go higher AND create more spin, thereby creating LESS roll after hitting the fairway.

It's always been my understanding that to achieve the best roll you want less golf ball RPM's off the driver and the way to achieve that is through the correct combination of driver loft, driver head design and a shaft that fits your swing speed and rythm. I'd like to achieve a little higher flight but with more roll.

I'll give an example. A few years ago I had the Titleist 905R 9.5 with Graphic Desing YS-6+ Stiff. If I hit a little draw I could get termendous distance but anything straight or with a fade resulted in a shot that would climb, fall straight down and have almost no roll. I thought it was because the shaft was too soft or had too low a kick point. However, I've experienced even worse spin when playing with an extra stiff shaft. You can actually see the ball reacting to the spin in the air.

I guess the answer is to simply try a bunch of shafts until you find the one that keeps you in the fairway and provides optimal roll.[/QUOTE]

That's what the launch monitors are supposed to be for. I have come to the realization that I don't swing driver fast enough to worry about taking spin off. I haven't ballooned a driver for over 20 years so for me its a matter of what goes farthest with the trajectory, carry and roll that I want. I really like the R head (as I do the T head) and am curious enough to spend a couple of dollars to see if two more degrees will get me shots that I like. For me hitting off a thick rubber tee off a mat in a store is worlds apart from sticking a wood peg into the turf, putting a ball on it, standing behind it and choosing a target and trajectory and then addressing it (remember the classic Jackie Gleason "Hello, ball." in that "Honeymooners" epidsode?-- or maybe it was Art Carney) and pulling the trigger.

[famousdavis]

[QUOTE=mongrel;248694]

You confused me. You say above that you put a high launch shaft and that all it did was raise the ball height and provide more roll. I thought a high launch shaft would cause the ball to go higher AND create more spin, thereby creating LESS roll after hitting the fairway.

It's always been my understanding that to achieve the best roll you want less golf ball RPM's off the driver and the way to achieve that is through the correct combination of driver loft, driver head design and a shaft that fits your swing speed and rythm. I'd like to achieve a little higher flight but with more roll.

I'll give an example. A few years ago I had the Titleist 905R 9.5 with Graphic Desing YS-6+ Stiff. If I hit a little draw I could get termendous distance but anything straight or with a fade resulted in a shot that would climb, fall straight down and have almost no roll. I thought it was because the shaft was too soft or had too low a kick point. However, I've experienced even worse spin when playing with an extra stiff shaft. You can actually see the ball reacting to the spin in the air.

I guess the answer is to simply try a bunch of shafts until you find the one that keeps you in the fairway and provides optimal roll.[/QUOTE]

That's what the launch monitors are supposed to be for. I have come to the realization that I don't swing driver fast enough to worry about taking spin off. I haven't ballooned a driver for over 20 years so for me its a matter of what goes farthest with the trajectory, carry and roll that I want. I really like the R head (as I do the T head) and am curious enough to spend a couple of dollars to see if two more degrees will get me shots that I like. For me hitting off a thick rubber tee off a mat in a store is worlds apart from sticking a wood peg into the turf, putting a ball on it, standing behind it and choosing a target and trajectory and then addressing it (remember the classic Jackie Gleason "Hello, ball." in that "Honeymooners" epidsode?-- or maybe it was Art Carney) and pulling the trigger.

I agree. Using an indoor simulator as a method for choosing drivers doesn't work for me. Basically, the only thing I derive from hitting indoors is whether or not the shaft feels too stiff.

[mongrel]

[QUOTE=famousdavis;248695]

I agree. Using an indoor simulator as a method for choosing drivers doesn't work for me. Basically, the only thing I derive from hitting indoors is whether or not the shaft feels too stiff.

Unfortunately, almost all of them feel too stiff to me in the store since 98% of the used drivers and fairway woods (and irons, come to think of it) are in stiff or x flexes. No wonder people trade them in. . I read somewhere on a club fitting forum that when a pro gets a new driver from the tour van, he can tell in three shots whether he can play with it. Over the years I've fought battles with irons, drivers and fairway woods trying to find the magic combination to get enough shaft load to hit it good. Now maybe I can tell in four or five drives off a real tee on the turf if I can play with a stick. When I get a couple of players, then its down to who goes the straightest, farthest, high, low and feels the best. I will probably end up bagging two. One for downwind and one for upwind. Downwind driver will go higher for corner-cutting and upwind driver will be for low bullets that run. We'll see.

[famousdavis]

[QUOTE=mongrel;248709]

Unfortunately, almost all of them feel too stiff to me in the store since 98% of the used drivers and fairway woods (and irons, come to think of it) are in stiff or x flexes. No wonder people trade them in. . I read somewhere on a club fitting forum that when a pro gets a new driver from the tour van, he can tell in three shots whether he can play with it. Over the years I've fought battles with irons, drivers and fairway woods trying to find the magic combination to get enough shaft load to hit it good. Now maybe I can tell in four or five drives off a real tee on the turf if I can play with a stick. When I get a couple of players, then its down to who goes the straightest, farthest, high, low and feels the best. I will probably end up bagging two. One for downwind and one for upwind. Downwind driver will go higher for corner-cutting and upwind driver will be for low bullets that run. We'll see.

I can easily tell within 3 swings whether or not a driver will work for me. That's the best way to do it. Otherwise, you begin to change your swing to fit the club. I tried a driver the other day that I took out on the course and I was all over the place. I switched to my other driver and I was right down the middle.

[12sandwich]

Makes sense. Shaft manufacturers are likely to give all their rejects to Nickent. One of the good OEM's would scold Graphite Design if their "made for" shafts were too bad, but Nickent has no leverage. It's not like GD would be losing a valuable client if Nickent dumped them. It's also not like the people who buy Nickent would know the difference in any shaft either. As I've said before, Nickent is a bankrupt hybrid company that created garbage clubs for garbage players.

Indy cant be to far from you? Your in the tri state hick area, correct? I would enjoy a round at the The Fort, or maybe the Brickyard, or Purgatory. I bag 2 Nickents, my driver, and a 18.5 deg hybrid. I dont know sh!t, but I,ll show you what a x stiff fuji fit on e-360 in my driver will do, and a stiff, GD aura blue shaft in my hybrid can do. Dont you bag that butt ugly Burner? Oh wait you bwoke it. I would to if I owned something so damn fugly. By the way, I just won 100 pro v1 and pro v1x balls for 17 dollars plus 10 dollars shipping AAA condition.

[Horseballs]

Indy cant be to far from you? Your in the tri state hick area, correct? I would enjoy a round at the The Fort, or maybe the Brickyard, or Purgatory. I bag 2 Nickents, my driver, and a 18.5 deg hybrid. I dont know sh!t, but I,ll show you what a x stiff fuji fit on e-360 in my driver will do, and a stiff, GD aura blue shaft in my hybrid can do. Dont you bag that butt ugly Burner? Oh wait you bwoke it. I would to if I owned something so damn fugly. By the way, I just won 100 pro v1 and pro v1x balls for 17 dollars plus 10 dollars shipping AAA condition.

Yeah, I'm in Cincinnati. I've played the Brickyard before during time trials for the Indy 500 about 6 years ago. Loud as hell in the infield. I've heard Purgatory in one of the most difficult courses around. Currently bagging a K15 that I'm indifferent about. It's borderline impossible for me to make any day trips for golf these days, but if you can make it to Nati for a weekend round I'd be up for it.

[12sandwich]

Yeah, I'm in Cincinnati. I've played the Brickyard before during time trials for the Indy 500 about 6 years ago. Loud as hell in the infield. I've heard Purgatory in one of the most difficult courses around. Currently bagging a K15 that I'm indifferent about. It's borderline impossible for me to make any day trips for golf these days, but if you can make it to Nati for a weekend round I'd be up for it.

I played the Brickyard 2 years ago during the US Nationals, on Sunday. When those Top fuel cars made a pass it shook the teeboxes from 10 miles away. I,m up for it again! I had a group of camera toting chinks behind me with an interpreter, so it was cool cause I had the wife and kid. I dove into the Eagle creek on one of the last holes, after my pro v, and found 20 more, and a sh!tload of others. I left them for the chinks for being so courteous.

[famousdavis]

[QUOTE=mongrel;248709]

Unfortunately, almost all of them feel too stiff to me in the store since 98% of the used drivers and fairway woods (and irons, come to think of it) are in stiff or x flexes. No wonder people trade them in. . I read somewhere on a club fitting forum that when a pro gets a new driver from the tour van, he can tell in three shots whether he can play with it. Over the years I've fought battles with irons, drivers and fairway woods trying to find the magic combination to get enough shaft load to hit it good. Now maybe I can tell in four or five drives off a real tee on the turf if I can play with a stick. When I get a couple of players, then its down to who goes the straightest, farthest, high, low and feels the best. I will probably end up bagging two. One for downwind and one for upwind. Downwind driver will go higher for corner-cutting and upwind driver will be for low bullets that run. We'll see.

I went to the simulator last night and actually worked with a guy who appeared to be competent in golf club fitting. We found out a couple things about my swing. First, my launch angle was way too high. I was close to 18 degrees. We watched in slow motion and I could see that I was tilting my shoulders coming into the ball (instead of staying level) and I was hitting on the upswing too much.

In response, I tried to keep my left shoulder down through the downswing and then get my weight over to my left side quicker than I had been. This brought the launch angle down to 13.5 degrees and added about 15 yards to the drives. He said that 8.5 or 9 degrees was perfect for me.

Another thing I found out is that I had been addressing the ball with a closed clubface. This meant I was delofting the club and actually creating way too much spin. I let the club lay in its natural position (which appeared very open to me) and the results were much better.

Happy days are here again, the smiles........

[mongrel]

[QUOTE=famousdavis;248724]

I went to the simulator last night and actually worked with a guy who appeared to be competent in golf club fitting. We found out a couple things about my swing. First, my launch angle was way too high. I was close to 18 degrees. We watched in slow motion and I could see that I was tilting my shoulders coming into the ball (instead of staying level) and I was hitting on the upswing too much.

In response, I tried to keep my left shoulder down through the downswing and then get my weight over to my left side quicker than I had been. This brought the launch angle down to 13.5 degrees and added about 15 yards to the drives. He said that 8.5 or 9 degrees was perfect for me.

Another thing I found out is that I had been addressing the ball with a closed clubface. This meant I was delofting the club and actually creating way too much spin. I let the club lay in its natural position (which appeared very open to me) and the results were much better.

Happy days are here again, the smiles........

Hope it works. We're all different and that's what makes the equipment so fascinating to me. I am working on hitting up on the driver by purposely closing the face at address except that the face is pointed square at the target and my stance is closed. Plus the ball is even with or a bit ahead of my left toe with that foot flaired 20 degrees or so. When it works, my swing path is in to out and the clubface meets the ball square at impact with little if any sidespin. It seems to be working OK and better than what I was doing before. Two years ago I paid the golf galaxy $31.00 or so for a "shaft fitting" which consisted of the store pro sticking various shafts onto a Tit head--I think it was a 10.5* 907D2 since I was playing the same loft in a 905T and the guy said the 907D2 was real similar. Anyway, I hit a lot of balls with shafts including VooDoo regular and stiffs at 45" and 44.5", Mitsu blueboards, Matrix whatevers and a couple others that were in the little fitting cart. It was lots of fun and I must have hit 100 balls. Afterwards he gave me a computer printout of every shot with lots of groovy data like clubhead speed, launch angle, carry, sidespin, backspin, apex, ball speed, and other stuff. Like an arsehole, I lost the damn thing. Anyway, my best carry was with the 1/2" short VooDoo regular flex with a launch angle of 20 degrees and a clubhead speed of around 98 and ball speed almost 150. Carrry was computed at 258 which I would kill for now. I just scored an 11.5* 905R on EBAY with an old person soft regular Tit 4550 shaft allegedly made by Graphite Design. If I don't get some carry with that Geritol club, I quit golf.

[famousdavis]

[QUOTE=mongrel;248739]

Hope it works. We're all different and that's what makes the equipment so fascinating to me. I am working on hitting up on the driver by purposely closing the face at address except that the face is pointed square at the target and my stance is closed. Plus the ball is even with or a bit ahead of my left toe with that foot flaired 20 degrees or so. When it works, my swing path is in to out and the clubface meets the ball square at impact with little if any sidespin. It seems to be working OK and better than what I was doing before. Two years ago I paid the golf galaxy $31.00 or so for a "shaft fitting" which consisted of the store pro sticking various shafts onto a Tit head--I think it was a 10.5* 907D2 since I was playing the same loft in a 905T and the guy said the 907D2 was real similar. Anyway, I hit a lot of balls with shafts including VooDoo regular and stiffs at 45" and 44.5", Mitsu blueboards, Matrix whatevers and a couple others that were in the little fitting cart. It was lots of fun and I must have hit 100 balls. Afterwards he gave me a computer printout of every shot with lots of groovy data like clubhead speed, launch angle, carry, sidespin, backspin, apex, ball speed, and other stuff. Like an arsehole, I lost the damn thing. Anyway, my best carry was with the 1/2" short VooDoo regular flex with a launch angle of 20 degrees and a clubhead speed of around 98 and ball speed almost 150. Carrry was computed at 258 which I would kill for now. I just scored an 11.5* 905R on EBAY with an old person soft regular Tit 4550 shaft allegedly made by Graphite Design. If I don't get some carry with that Geritol club, I quit golf.

I think I enjoyed hitting the Titleist 905R more than any other driver. It's a beautiful club and the Graphite Design YS-6+ shaft made it feel wonderful. Of all the 460 CC drivers I've played, I could work that one the best. Also, if I had the wind behind me or very little wind at all I could just crush that thing. However, if the wind was in my face I would lose a lot of yards. The shaft has a lower flex point than most higher-end shafts. I may just go back to it.

[12sandwich]

Hope you win them. I bet you will love them. Very pure irons but not intimidating to hit. Has the ballflight and feel of a top class blade.

I had the A10 tours bent the other day 1* deg flat, they were 1 or more upright. The guys are like these are soft. I said I know.
I dropped out on some fci x300 irons,3-pw, supposed miura. , and am looking at some sweet looking 300 forged, with a shaft I love.
P.S I thought to long, and they were gone, somebody listed a set of Scratch SB-1 3-AW for 400 hundred, I should have bought them, to just flip, and play a round or 2 with them, I just dont know about the sweeper slider grind.

[SoonerBS]

I had the A10 tours bent the other day 1* deg flat, they were 1 or more upright. The guys are like these are soft. I said I know.
I dropped out on some fci x300 irons,3-pw, supposed miura. , and am looking at some sweet looking 300 forged, with a shaft I love.
P.S I thought to long, and they were gone, somebody listed a set of Scratch SB-1 3-AW for 400 hundred, I should have bought them, to just flip, and play a round or 2 with them, I just dont know about the sweeper slider grind.

After my last excellent purchase with the Z-101s and the MP-32s, I am now looking to ho some game improvement irons to try out. Last Summer it was the PING Eye 2s which I did not like. This Summer I am looking to purchase a set of Mizuno JPX-800 irons (not the pro set). I have read a lot of good reviews on these and would like to try them out. Just by looks, there is little I like about them, but I want to see if they would improve my game now that my swing is honed in pretty decent. They are all stronger lofted than what I am use to, so I would have to change my distance strategies, but it might be interesting to see how much more forgiving they would be than the blades I have been using.

[mongrel]

[QUOTE=famousdavis;248759]

I think I enjoyed hitting the Titleist 905R more than any other driver. It's a beautiful club and the Graphite Design YS-6+ shaft made it feel wonderful. Of all the 460 CC drivers I've played, I could work that one the best. Also, if I had the wind behind me or very little wind at all I could just crush that thing. However, if the wind was in my face I would lose a lot of yards. The shaft has a lower flex point than most higher-end shafts. I may just go back to it.

My 9.5* 905R came with a YS-6+ stiff and I didn't like it. Put a V2 75 gram regular in it and it would go just as well into the wind as with it. Never played a driver that did that. If you want some cheap driver thrills, get an R and put a Prolite or Prolite HL in it. I put the HL in regular in mine and it is more solid than any other shaft I've ever hit the R in including some expensive ones. They cost $29.95 from Golfworks. And I inserted mine 2" instead of the all the way through 3.5". Guarantee that unless you swing 115-120 the wind ain't gonna bother it a whole bunch unless you're hitting a balata.

[12sandwich]

After my last excellent purchase with the Z-101s and the MP-32s, I am now looking to ho some game improvement irons to try out. Last Summer it was the PING Eye 2s which I did not like. This Summer I am looking to purchase a set of Mizuno JPX-800 irons (not the pro set). I have read a lot of good reviews on these and would like to try them out. Just by looks, there is little I like about them, but I want to see if they would improve my game now that my swing is honed in pretty decent. They are all stronger lofted than what I am use to, so I would have to change my distance strategies, but it might be interesting to see how much more forgiving they would be than the blades I have been using.

I played a round with my mx 23s the other day, I think my gi days are done. I find the z-101s pretty easy to score with, and the A10 tours are oh so sweet. I may take the mp 37s out for a weekend, and walk a great course, and carry the 5-pw a couple mizuno raw haze wedges, a putter, a driver, a nasty hybrid. I,m going to take the tourstages in and have the loft and lies checked, and adjusted, and I,ll play them some more, something about those iomic grips feel to small for my hands. They may have to go.

[Not a hacker]

Did you change out that shaft on the 905R? The one you were fading too much? I saw one the other day for $59 with a Matrix Red shaft but it was regular flex. Plus, it was 10.5 degrees.

I changed the shaft because it was hooking too much, not fading. I put aYS7 stiff in which fixed the problem. It was a greatr driver beforew but now it's the best driver I've ever owned.

[Kiwi Player]

Indy cant be to far from you? Your in the tri state hick area, correct? I would enjoy a round at the The Fort, or maybe the Brickyard, or Purgatory. I bag 2 Nickents, my driver, and a 18.5 deg hybrid. I dont know sh!t, but I,ll show you what a x stiff fuji fit on e-360 in my driver will do, and a stiff, GD aura blue shaft in my hybrid can do. Dont you bag that butt ugly Burner? Oh wait you bwoke it. I would to if I owned something so damn fugly. By the way, I just won 100 pro v1 and pro v1x balls for 17 dollars plus 10 dollars shipping AAA condition.

Butt ugly is right. I don't normally mind Taylormade Drivers but with this ugly POS they looked like they were trying to make something to compete with the gaudiness of Callaway.

[12sandwich]

Butt ugly is right. I don't normally mind Taylormade Drivers but with this ugly POS they looked like they were trying to make something to compete with the gaudiness of Callaway.

I still have a 425 r7 tp, a mint r580xl both gorgeous at address, nice pearshape. I put a like new burner next to them, and a 4dx, a tour burner tp, and a few more,and I about puked when it came to the burner. I tried to hit it, and was like, this is what all the harp is about, disapointed. I,ve not owned a 905r, these morons got me looking at them now.

[Not a hacker]

[QUOTE=12sandwich;248843]I still have a 425 r7 tp, a mint r580xl both gorgeous at address, nice pearshape. I put a like new burner next to them, and a 4dx, a tour burner tp, and a few more,and I about puked when it came to the burner. I tried to hit it, and was like, this is what all the harp is about, disapointed. I,ve not owned a 905r, these morons got me looking at them now.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming I'm one fo the morons of which you speak. If you get one you own't be disappointed. I've hit plenty of drivers over the years and know a standout when I hit one. IMO the 905R is the best driver out there and a must for any discerning equipment ho like yourself. Until you have one your collection will be incomplete.

[mongrel]

[QUOTE=Not a hacker;248859]

I still have a 425 r7 tp, a mint r580xl both gorgeous at address, nice pearshape. I put a like new burner next to them, and a 4dx, a tour burner tp, and a few more,and I about puked when it came to the burner. I tried to hit it, and was like, this is what all the harp is about, disapointed. I,ve not owned a 905r, these morons got me looking at them now.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming I'm one fo the morons of which you speak. If you get one you own't be disappointed. I've hit plenty of drivers over the years and know a standout when I hit one. IMO the 905R is the best driver out there and a must for any discerning equipment ho like yourself. Until you have one your collection will be incomplete.

Another 905R moron here. Expecting my second one from ebay hopefully Monday or Tuesday. I also love 905T's and have two-- an 8.5 and a 10.5-- and will probably snag one in 11.5 when a cheapy pops up. I've wondered for awhile what an R or T would play like with a steel shaft but figured it would be too heavy for me. I've hit some 983K's with DG S300's and they felt good. But a couple of weeks ago, the golf supplies shop had one of those much maligned True Temper Bi Matrix shafts that came out years ago and went away real quick. So for $15, I got this new-old-stock shaft with an 8" steel tip. Only weighed 73 grams uncut at 46". So I put it in the 10.5" T about 1.75" and took it out to the field last Sunday. What a solid feeling bomber. I only hit about 10 balls with it but all I could hit were medium low 10 yard draws that ran when they hit.

[12sandwich]

Ok I,m a moron as well, and know nothing of Titleist drivers.
They always sounded fantastic, when I would get paired with someone that had one. It seemed they are pleasing to the eye.
But I,ve seen alot of struggles with shaft issues, with the 905 on this forum. Not to mention they look to be a pain in the ass to change out shafts. I cant imagine an Adila nv playing to stiff, so it must have something to do with the bore depth. So it sounds tricky finding shafts that work at that bore depth.
My buddy with his new 9 deg 4dx hit his pershing long, but a little low. We popped a proforce V2 in, and found his height back, but lost quite a bit of distance, and found it harder to hit a draw. So the pershing is going in again. I guess my point is, I love the ability to change shafts at will, at any moment, back and forth. If I were to purchase a 905r or t or s, which is the easier to hit, sets up neutral, or slightly open, and which shafts should be avoided?

[SoonerBS]

Ok I,m a moron as well, and know nothing of Titleist drivers.
They always sounded fantastic, when I would get paired with someone that had one. It seemed they are pleasing to the eye.
But I,ve seen alot of struggles with shaft issues, with the 905 on this forum. Not to mention they look to be a pain in the ass to change out shafts. I cant imagine an Adila nv playing to stiff, so it must have something to do with the bore depth. So it sounds tricky finding shafts that work at that bore depth.
My buddy with his new 9 deg 4dx hit his pershing long, but a little low. We popped a proforce V2 in, and found his height back, but lost quite a bit of distance, and found it harder to hit a draw. So the pershing is going in again. I guess my point is, I love the ability to change shafts at will, at any moment, back and forth. If I were to purchase a 905r or t or s, which is the easier to hit, sets up neutral, or slightly open, and which shafts should be avoided?

You'd love the R11 then from Taylormade. Of course, you have to buy the shafts that are made to screw into the R11 head, but you talk about EASY to change . . . . . . Also, I'm not sure about this yet, but I think you can just buy the little ferrell that goes on the end of the shaft. If that is so, all you have to do is buy you some ferrells, select any shafts you want to glue into them, and you are ready to play them in the head by just screwing them on.

[12sandwich]

You'd love the R11 then from Taylormade. Of course, you have to buy the shafts that are made to screw into the R11 head, but you talk about EASY to change . . . . . . Also, I'm not sure about this yet, but I think you can just buy the little ferrell that goes on the end of the shaft. If that is so, all you have to do is buy you some ferrells, select any shafts you want to glue into them, and you are ready to play them in the head by just screwing them on.

The 4dx cyg evolver I currently bag has that ability. I have around 10 different shafts with the cyg hosel on them, and it's splined with 26 settings, loft can be changed 1.5 deg and you can close it 1 deg, or open it 1 deg, or set it neutral, or anywhere in between. Plus it's black, and once you've gone black you never cum back.
I played taylormade drivers pretty much for the last 10 years, and for the most part enjoyed them. The one thing that annoyed me was the rather high spin they all put on the ball. The nickent seems to have a much lower spin rate, which keeps sidespin down, and your ball in play.