Wie barely misses the cut at Omega European Masters

[dorkman53]

She's just finished her second round. She had a 78 and a 79 for 15 over par. Probably won't be playing this weekend.......

Obviously, she got in as a sponsor's exemption, since she now helps sell Omega watches.


Let's see.....she can't beat American men, Asian men, or European men. Maybe she ought to try beating Wo men......

[Duds]

LMAO!!! she is so damn close....

[xplyboy]

just embarrassing. I know she's only 16 but still a professional. For her to do this is just embarrassing.

[garcia is god]

She's just finished her second round. She had a 78 and a 79 for 15 over par. Probably won't be playing this weekend.......

Obviously, she got in as a sponsor's exemption, since she now helps sell Omega watches.


Let's see.....she can't beat American men, Asian men, or European men. Maybe she ought to try beating Wo men......

Actually Dorkman, she CAN beat some Asian men... she made the cut at some obscure Korean tournament ;)

[mgmarker]

She finished last, or second to last.

I am not a Wie basher, but maybe it is time to put in her dues on the LPGA.

[Macgregor]

She can't put in her dues on the LPGA,as you put it,they won't give her membership until she is 18,hence why she is taking the time and trouble to just play golf on very tough courses,i.e the mens.When she does make it onto the LPGA,when she is deemed old enough,she will surely benefit from the experience of playing all this tough golf,it cannot do her any harm.She has 5 second places in ten full female majors,everyone seems to forget that.And thats at only 16.10 marors at 16,and 5 seconds,think about it...............

[mgmarker]

You are correct. She is always up there. I did not realize she doen't qualify yet for full time LPGA. I just think she would have a better chance of doing all the things she is going to do anyways if she learned how to WIN first, on the LPGA.

When she figures it out, look out.

[cfr_pratt]

what you all forgot abotu all of her second place finishes, is that she had a really good chance to win all of those events and didnt because she cannot finish strong. I think wie needs to learn to harness her talent and i am sure with time it will come. I am however, at this point fed up with hearing about her. Wie tryign to make another cut on the mens tour...do me a favor, shut up till she learns to finish!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jorge Babarosa]

The golfblogger has this posted... it's a pretty good read.


http://www.golfblogger.com/index.php...opean_masters/

What is her current standing? Last week she was tied for 147th out of 155. Whew... Nike must really love that girl.

[dorkman53]

Actually Dorkman, she CAN beat some Asian men... she made the cut at some obscure Korean tournament ;)

If I remember correctly, the highest ranking player in that tournament wasn't even in the top 100 in the world.

[neverman]

In her defense.... it IS really good experience for her to see where she stands against the men. She can learn quite a bit just by being around them in a tournament setting that she can't get in her 3-4 days of playing a similar LPGA event. Even Annika said she learned a ton when she played The Colonial. So she may be on to something that drives her farther than where she'd get playing against her peers.

She can't be on the LPGA yet anyway as she doesn't meet their age requirement. She's even too young to attempt it as Pressl did.

[dorkman53]

In her defense.... it IS really good experience for her to see where she stands against the men. She can learn quite a bit just by being around them in a tournament setting that she can't get in her 3-4 days of playing a similar LPGA event. Even Annika said she learned a ton when she played The Colonial. So she may be on to something that drives her farther than where she'd get playing against her peers.

She can't be on the LPGA yet anyway as she doesn't meet their age requirement. She's even too young to attempt it as Pressl did.

If getting beaten soundly by superior players is educational, she's going to be a genius pretty soon......

[swvaguy]

I really do love all of the blind loyalists, and the way they spin her continued failures...

It literally makes me ROTFLMAO...


'If only there were some possible way for her to use all of these convenient sponsor exemptions for the men's tour in the same manner for the women's tour. Then... possibly... SOME day... far... FAR in the future... maybe when she's in her 30's... she would actually win a tourney...'

Nah, that's just wishful dreaming. I think she's nothing more than an Asian, plainly bland version of Anna Kournikova...

I'd be willing to listen to a reasoned explanation of why that's NOT the case... but all of these 'teen dream' lustful posts don't get it. Somebody show me why she 'deserves' all of the hype... please...

[PHSgolfguy]

[neverman]

I really do love all of the blind loyalists, and the way they spin her continued failures...

It literally makes me ROTFLMAO...


'If only there were some possible way for her to use all of these convenient sponsor exemptions for the men's tour in the same manner for the women's tour. Then... possibly... SOME day... far... FAR in the future... maybe when she's in her 30's... she would actually win a tourney...'

Nah, that's just wishful dreaming. I think she's nothing more than an Asian, plainly bland version of Anna Kournikova...

I'd be willing to listen to a reasoned explanation of why that's NOT the case... but all of these 'teen dream' lustful posts don't get it. Somebody show me why she 'deserves' all of the hype... please...

You've got to be kidding right? She'll win a ladies event within a year if she plays anything like she played this last year. How many 2nd place finishes does it take for someone to wonder just how talented this 16 year old is? Those were majors man, clue in.

I'm not a fan of hers by the way... I've openly posted on how I believe she hasn't earned her money or creed yet. Even I can see the writing on the wall however.

[neverman]

If getting beaten soundly by superior players is educational, she's going to be a genius pretty soon......

I think the education comes from seeing the preparation the men put into it. The course management, the tougher golf courses can't hurt either, they're set up to wound people after all. If she does halfway decent on those events the ladies courses will play very easy for her in comparison.

[dorkman53]

I think the education comes from seeing the preparation the men put into it. The course management, the tougher golf courses can't hurt either, they're set up to wound people after all. If she does halfway decent on those events the ladies courses will play very easy for her in comparison.

I guess there are two ways of looking at it. One way is the "swinging the weighted bat" idea: play the most difficult courses, and the LPGA setups will seem easy by comparison. The other issue is the "sparring partner" concept: psychologically, she keeps being the loser in someone else's party. I suspect the latter isn't an overwhelming concern, but as one of the commentators on the Golf Channel pointed out yesterday, she hasn't won anything since an amateur event at age 13. There is a lot of mental discipline involved in learning to win. It's more than just being a great ballstriker. It's about course management and the mental game. This is the area she isn't developing as fast as her physical skills.
She is a great ballstriker, and has truly impressive talents. But she isn't developing a winner's mindset, and doesn't really know how to finish to seal the deal yet. Obviously, it's going to come. She's too talented not to win eventually. I just suspect that winning on some level might not be more helpful in the long run than what she is now doing. Oh, well.......her mommy and daddy didn't hire me to be their adviser, so I guess they'll just have to muddle through without my wisdom on this one.........

[poe4soul]

I agree with you. I don't think I could take this criticisms at my age let alone 16. This must be a mind trip. I can't imagine the youth see has lost to this attempt to be the best at 16. She has the talent but she might just get ruined mentally if her father and coaches are not careful.

Let her grow up. She should be having fun at 16 not holding press conferences after yet another loss. She be kicking it with a bunch of boys and girls her own age not old men on the driving range and the golf course.

[Jorge Babarosa]

Good placement of the niblick is essential to the satisfactory shot.

[dorkman53]

Good placement of the niblick is essential to the satisfactory shot.

Especially if it is electrified to vibrate on command.......

[mgmarker]

what you all forgot abotu all of her second place finishes, is that she had a really good chance to win all of those events and didnt because she cannot finish strong. I think wie needs to learn to harness her talent and i am sure with time it will come. I am however, at this point fed up with hearing about her. Wie tryign to make another cut on the mens tour...do me a favor, shut up till she learns to finish!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMEN to that, my point exactly.

marker

[chubdo]

talking like that about a 16 yo girl makes me wonder if you gents have daughters of your own. interesting.

[dorkman53]

talking like that about a 16 yo girl makes me wonder if you gents have daughters of your own. interesting.

Yes, I have a daughter. Lighten up.......

She also has way too much class to be seen in public wearing the kind of s l u t wannabe outfits Wie wears.

[chubdo]

i have plenty of things to lighten up and i do not need to see posts with sexual connotation about a 16 yo kid.

you want to lighten up? show the pic to your daughter.

so lighten up.

[dorkman53]

i have plenty of things to lighten up and i do not need to see posts with sexual connotation about a 16 yo kid.

you want to lighten up? show the pic to your daughter.

so lighten up.

Your sanctimonious piety is duly noted. You can pat yourself on your back now and go on with the rest of your day. Maybe picketing an adult book store or porno theater would be a good way of publically declaring yourself more ethical than everyone else.

[Eric in NOVA]

developing a winner's mindset is way overrated. Who has developed a winner's mindset other than Tiger? If anything, all the attention that she attracts will make her more accustomed to crowds just like Tiger is used to a large gallery.

Give me some examples of people really having a winner's mindset and explain why they can't beat Tiger.

As for Wie, she does need a dose of reality. I have no problem with her playing on the men's tour, trying to qualify for the US Open or even the Masters (but now that she's professional, chances are small that she would ever qualify for the Masters), but to say she wants to play the Ryder Cup is absurd. No matter how good her game gets, she's not going to be one of the top 12 American golfers.

[chubdo]

even though wie is a pro, she is also a student. it is a unique case and only time can tell.

couple years ago when tiger was not doing good, people on this board blamed on his blond girlfriend. go figure.

[chubdo]

dorkman, the only thing that tops poor taste and bad judgement is the urge to argue for the sake of argument.

[dorkman53]

dorkman, the only thing that tops poor taste and bad judgement is the urge to argue for the sake of argument.

So stop.......

[dorkman53]

developing a winner's mindset is way overrated. Who has developed a winner's mindset other than Tiger? If anything, all the attention that she attracts will make her more accustomed to crowds just like Tiger is used to a large gallery.

Give me some examples of people really having a winner's mindset and explain why they can't beat Tiger.

As for Wie, she does need a dose of reality. I have no problem with her playing on the men's tour, trying to qualify for the US Open or even the Masters (but now that she's professional, chances are small that she would ever qualify for the Masters), but to say she wants to play the Ryder Cup is absurd. No matter how good her game gets, she's not going to be one of the top 12 American golfers.

I would believe that anybody on any tour level with multiple wins has "learned how to win", and has a winner's mindset. Obviously, Tiger is in a class by himself in that category, but Wie clearly hasn't learned to win at any level yet. There's a lot more to winning than just being a great ballstriker, which she is. She will almost certainly "get it" in the fairly near future, but until she is a multiple winner, her self stated grandiose career goals continue to sound absurd (Master's Champion, Ryder Cup, etc.).

[Eric in NOVA]

Oh yeah, what makes Wie's outfits ****ty? Is she showing you cleavage? Is she showing visible tattoos? Is she more interested in men/boys more than her golf game? How is she dressed differently from LPGA members?

And is your daughter covered from head to toe before she leaves the house?

[chubdo]

eric, if there is a see no evil saint competition, i will vote for you.

[dorkman53]

And is your daughter covered from head to toe before she leaves the house?

Yes. We're Amish......

[Eric in NOVA]

I would believe that anybody on any tour level with multiple wins has "learned how to win", and has a winner's mindset. Obviously, Tiger is in a class by himself in that category, but Wie clearly hasn't learned to win at any level yet. There's a lot more to winning than just being a great ballstriker, which she is. She will almost certainly "get it" in the fairly near future, but until she is a multiple winner, her self stated grandiose career goals continue to sound absurd (Master's Champion, Ryder Cup, etc.).

Tiger himself has been somewhat quiet on this subject. Obviously he believes his formula works, which is to beat everyone at his level before moving on. On the other hand, he's a pretty talented golfer and it isn't clear to me that he needed to attend Stanford to get to where he's at today.

It's really the media people who constantly talk about Wie not having a winner's mindset. With respect to that, the reply is she is still 16 and she's damn close to winning on the LPGA. If she sucks it up like Sergio (26 and still 0 majors), then I think bashing her is more justified.

[jbooma]

The funny thing is once she does win all of you will be saying she is the greatest

The girl is 16 and has beaten PGA pros before, heck she almost made the cut last year. Last I checked in golf you do have stretches of bad play, she is in that now.

For those saying she should play women, she is when the allow her. Wie is only able to play certain events and in those events she was in contention for all the majors.

[emc]

I think Tiger's 'winning mindset' came from him hammering the juniors, amateurs and now pros. Therefore he kept thinking that he was unbeatable and I think he's proven it over and over again with tournaments on the line

[dorkman53]

I think what annoys me the most about her is how "plastic" she seems. She is this corporate mascot for Nike who looks like she's spent more time getting her makeup on than practicing putting. Maybe the reason she doesn't smile in her interviews is she is afraid to crack her excessive makeup. Her interviews come across to me as insincere, spewing cliches and pre-programmed pat answers. I'd rather have someone who comes across as a real person, not an uncomfortable corporate trademark. I'm tired of all the hoopla and the media paying more attention to her than her far superior competitors, I'm tired of her making lame excuses after each failure.

[Eric in NOVA]

You know where she got that from right? Tiger Woods. No doubt about it. He's the most calculated insincere golfer ever to be interviewed. He's good and he wins alot but all that bull about his C game or B game....it's all trash talking. He could've just said I didn't play well, congrats to the winner, but instead, Tiger makes more excuses than a 'ho who's caught with a John.

[dorkman53]

Yeah, Tiger isn't my favorite interview, either. I like guys like Toms, Furyk, Els, and especially guys like Tom Watson and Fred Funk. Not as flashy, but they just seem more real to me. I like to see some of their personality come through the interview, rather than some of the typical B.S. and posturing.