Make Your 2011 Eldrick Predictions Here

[quote=poe4soul]Noted, now STFU.[/quote]

You could have at least put a smiley face after saying such a mean thing.

I think Tiger has now blown all the good work he has done. He elevated the game of golf, and more importantly the profile of African American athletes as more than just over paid adulterers. But it has all gone to shitt in the last couple of years, and all the crackers out there can now say 'I told you so'. He has reinforced the negative black stereotype into the minds of everyone, and sent the movement back about 50 years.

[quote=Not a hacker]I think Tiger has now blown all the good work he has done. He elevated the game of golf, and more importantly the profile of African American athletes as more than just over paid adulterers. But it has all gone to shitt in the last couple of years, and all the crackers out there can now say 'I told you so'. He has reinforced the negative black stereotype into the minds of everyone, and sent the movement back about 50 years.[/quote]

I completely disagree. I don't think people think of Tiger as one race or the other, except for the people that were racist to begin with. I think he's tarnished his image and his current golf game just makes it worse. If he were winning it wouldn't be an issue at all. We would have forgot about it already.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I completely disagree. I don't think people think of Tiger as one race or the other, except for the people that were racist to begin with. I think he's tarnished his image and his current golf game just makes it worse. If he were winning it wouldn't be an issue at all. We would have forgot about it already.[/QUOTE]
Tiger has been held up as a role model of all that black athletes could achieve. The major record, the money, the friends in high places, the charities in his name, the perfect family. He was the modern day African American poster boy, he had it all. Now he is viewed as a slime ball and his detractors have been proven right all along.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You could have at least put a smiley face after saying such a mean thing.[/QUOTE]


:) :) .

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Ironically, since i wasn't being serious, you don't.[/QUOTE]

Yah, whatever. But I'm getting your old tired thread over the 100 post threshold...

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Yah, whatever. But I'm getting your old tired thread over the 100 post threshold...[/QUOTE]

Speaking of which, have you ventured to Bandon to try out Old Mc'D's? I haven't gotten down there. It will have to wait 'till next fall. We're getting busy with construction projects.

Did you hear Bandon Dunes is going to construct a 12 hole course? WTF? I guess it could work to fill in before or after a normal round.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Speaking of which, have you ventured to Bandon to try out Old Mc'D's? I haven't gotten down there. It will have to wait 'till next fall. We're getting busy with construction projects.

Did you hear Bandon Dunes is going to construct a 12 hole course? WTF? I guess it could work to fill in before or after a normal round.[/QUOTE]
Greg Norman has been banging on about 12 hole courses. It's a strategy to bring people back to the game. They figure the length of time to play 18 holes has forced some golfers away from the game, and 12 hole rounds might get them back. Personally, I could really go for 12 hole competitions. It would be like a sprint, but still long enough to feel like you've played a round of golf. 9 holes isn't quite enough, and 18 can just take too much time on slow courses.

[quote=poe4soul]Speaking of which, have you ventured to Bandon to try out Old Mc'D's? I haven't gotten down there. It will have to wait 'till next fall. We're getting busy with construction projects.

Did you hear Bandon Dunes is going to construct a 12 hole course? WTF? I guess it could work to fill in before or after a normal round.[/quote]


Funny you bring it up, I'm trying to get up there as soon as the storms clear a little, whenever that might be. For me it's always dependent on hitching a ride with a friend who has a Polaris who says he's ready to go as soon as the weather is good. We've never had trouble just showing up this time of year.

So haven't yet tried OM but I'm hearing really good things about it. Hopefully very soon as I can already taste the barbequed meatloaf.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Speaking of which, have you ventured to Bandon to try out Old Mc'D's? I haven't gotten down there. [/QUOTE]
How far do you guys have to drive to get to a McDonalds? I live in a pretty small town and we have 4 of them. And Lorenzo, if you are referring to the McRib, I think they are vastly overrated. Actually, I'm pretty sure you can get AIDS from those things.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]I completely disagree. [B]I don't think people think of Tiger as one race or the other, except for the people that were racist to begin with.[/B] I think he's tarnished his image and his current golf game just makes it worse. If he were winning it wouldn't be an issue at all. We would have forgot about it already.[/QUOTE]

FD, you have been completely living on a different planet (which may be true considering you live in California) if you believe this statement. Everyone identifies Tiger as a black man. NaH is correct on this fact. And, I agree with NaH, Tiger has allowed for many who stereotype blacks to be able to say, "see, I told you so."

[QUOTE=Home-slicer]How far do you guys have to drive to get to a McDonalds? I live in a pretty small town and we have 4 of them. And Lorenzo, if you are referring to the McRib, I think they are vastly overrated. Actually, I'm pretty sure you can get AIDS from those things.[/QUOTE]
A really long ways. Zo actually has to fly then drive. Crazy! Not sure if they call them mcribs but that would be cool if they did. I like the shepherds pie myself. Since I'm a OR resident I get residents rates if I play shoulder or off season. So I'm going to wait until fall to give it a go. There's also less CA's up because it's below 70* and it might rain.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure about southern OR but here in Portland its been a cold spring. We haven't seen a day above 60*. It s the longest on the books since the mid 50's. Not bad for golf but the grass isn't growing because the soil temp is too cold. Seeds also don't germinate.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Funny you bring it up, I'm trying to get up there as soon as the storms clear a little, whenever that might be. For me it's always dependent on hitching a ride with a friend who has a Polaris who says he's ready to go as soon as the weather is good. We've never had trouble just showing up this time of year.

So haven't yet tried OM but I'm hearing really good things about it. Hopefully very soon as I can already taste the barbequed meatloaf.[/QUOTE]

I've also heard good things. I've had a couple of invitations with good weather but for what ever reason I couldn't go. One was a bad back. The second I honestly bowed out because it was a bad group. I don't want to ruin my first round on OM with a bunch of drunk hacks. Drunk I can handle, even hacks I can tolerate if the love golf. But drunk hacks and the integral OM round was hard to justify.

What'd you think about there next course being 12 holes?

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]FD, you have been completely living on a different planet (which may be true considering you live in California) if you believe this statement. [B]Everyone identifies Tiger as a black man.[/B] NaH is correct on this fact. And, I agree with NaH, Tiger has allowed for many who stereotype blacks to be able to say, "see, I told you so."[/QUOTE]
It could be argued that Tiger and his managers milked Tiger being black for all it was worth. Tiger is actually more Thai than black. His mother is a 100% Thai, but his dad was an African American so probably had other ethnicities mixed in. But you never heard of any new ground broken by a Thai, or even Asian golfer, throughout Tiger's career. Just black. Ironically, Yang stomped him down the stretch to be the first recognised major champion of Asian decsent, over 10 years after Tiger had won one.

[quote=poe4soul]A really long ways. Zo actually has to fly then drive. Crazy! Not sure if they call them mcribs but that would be cool if they did. I like the shepherds pie myself. Since I'm a OR resident I get residents rates if I play shoulder or off season. So I'm going to wait until fall to give it a go. There's also less CA's up because it's below 70* and it might rain.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure about southern OR but here in Portland its been a cold spring. We haven't seen a day above 60*. It s the longest on the books since the mid 50's. Not bad for golf but the grass isn't growing because the soil temp is too cold. Seeds also don't germinate.[/quote]

I do have to fly and then drive, but since the Polaris fits well onto the BD runway, the flight is several hours but the drive is 10 minutes. I'm fine with temps in the 50-s and some rain and wind. But since it's so easy to do it last minute this time of year we prefer to get some p.ussy weather.

The meatloaf could in no way be confused with McRib. I know this even though I've never had the latter and never will. Just spent several hours on Lorenzo's Tuscan Chicken but it will make for several meals. I'd rather stuff p.ussy than chicken but first things first.

Hadn't heard 12 holes, but with three ocean course of that calibre already it would be hard for them to screw things up. Thus far I can't think of much they've gotten wrong. Speaking of twelve holes, the other has a bunch of gf's here. Time to retreat to my HT nest.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I remember on hole where Nantz made a comment the this would be a perfect pin for a cut shot. It was a back left pin - WTF. JM jump all over that statement. Even my wife picked up the mistake. Nantz is a tool and should only be allowed to talk cutting to commercial or reading the leader board.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the player was a leftie.

[QUOTE=oldplayer]Maybe the player was a leftie.[/QUOTE]
Bubba was nowhere around. It was a righty. It was just on of the leaders and total lack of understanding statement.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Bubba was nowhere around. It was a righty. It was just on of the leaders and total lack of understanding statement.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he was talking about a cut that starts just left of the bunker and fades back beautifully to land inch perfect on the left fringe then trickles on to the pin. Totally clueless but I'm sure Nantz could have been thinking something like that.

So is anybody going to own up to voting number 2?

2 - He'll find his groove and it'll be awesome to watch.

Was it you NAH?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]So is anybody going to own up to voting number 2?

2 - He'll find his groove and it'll be awesome to watch.

Was it you NAH?[/QUOTE]

Close, it was Qtard. If you click on the number of a public poll it will tell you who voted for what.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Close, it was Qtard. If you click on the number of a public poll it will tell you who voted for what.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Poe, wasn't aware of that. Normally I can see who has voted until I vote then the names disappear.

Good ol qtong eh? Pretty fitting that such a poor choice would be his last act before storming off the 6th into the sunset.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Close, it was Qtard. If you click on the number of a public poll it will tell you who voted for what.[/QUOTE]

Well, this bespeaks very poorly for all Tiger supporters indeed.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Thanks Poe, wasn't aware of that. Normally I can see who has voted until I vote then the names disappear.

Good ol qtong eh? Pretty fitting that such a poor choice would be his last act before storming off the 6th into the sunset.[/QUOTE]

It looks like NAH didn't vote. WTF NAH?

[QUOTE=poe4soul]It looks like NAH didn't vote. WTF NAH?[/QUOTE]

He likes to appear so decisive and forthright in his views when all the time he is really just sitting on the fence. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]He likes to appear so decisive and forthright in his views when all the time he is really just sitting on the fence. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Or too afraid to put his vote into record.

No, he's a smart enough guy to realize it was a no win for him. Guess high he's wrong, guess low and he's not the Tiger supporter he likes to be.

For anyone that hasn't voted, Q-tong's looking lonely and stupid with option 2 all to himself.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Greg Norman has been banging on about 12 hole courses. It's a strategy to bring people back to the game. They figure the length of time to play 18 holes has forced some golfers away from the game, and 12 hole rounds might get them back. Personally, I could really go for 12 hole competitions. It would be like a sprint, but still long enough to feel like you've played a round of golf. 9 holes isn't quite enough, and 18 can just take too much time on slow courses.[/QUOTE]
I thought I read, on another thread, that the Rio Pinar club in Orlando, Florida, has a five hole course although it is only available to members, not guests.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker][B]Greg Norman has been banging on about 12 hole courses. It's a strategy to bring people back to the game. They figure the length of time to play 18 holes has forced some golfers away from the game, and 12 hole rounds might get them back.[/B] Personally, I could really go for 12 hole competitions. It would be like a sprint, but still long enough to feel like you've played a round of golf. 9 holes isn't quite enough, and 18 can just take too much time on slow courses.[/QUOTE]

Common theme in many sports. When I was playing tennis the clubs were facing dwindling numbers so they were looking at ways to abbreviate the game and bring more members back. The suggestions were things like sudden death deuce, reducing best of 3 sets of six games to one set of nine. All us die hard stalwarts were dead opposed at the time but I think many of these changes have now happened.

It's inevitable that in our busy lives sport will suffer but we have to sacrifice it for more important things like shopping malls and hanging out with our friends in coffee shops, noting about our jobs and respective careers. You know important stuff like that. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=poe4soul]Close, it was Qtard. If you click on the number of a public poll it will tell you who voted for what.[/QUOTE]
How come FON didn't vote for #3? :confused:

[QUOTE=oldplayer]How come FON didn't vote for #3? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Clearly in denial.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Clearly in denial.[/QUOTE]

Because multiple choice wasn't an option, obviously.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]He likes to appear so decisive and forthright in his views when all the time he is really just sitting on the fence. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Like a woman.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]No, he's a smart enough guy to realize it was a no win for him. Guess high he's wrong, guess low and he's not the Tiger supporter he likes to be.

[B]For anyone that hasn't voted, Q-tong's looking lonely and stupid with option 2 all to himself.[/B][/QUOTE]


Fitting, isn't it?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]He likes to appear so decisive and forthright in his views when all the time he is really just sitting on the fence. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I would have thought that my years of shameless adoration and bowing at the Tiger altar would have precluded the need to vote on this one. Besides, there was no "He's gonna wipe the floor with these chumps and win the slam while getting his freak on with skanky hoes every night during the tournament" option.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I would have thought that my years of shameless adoration and bowing at the Tiger altar would have precluded the need to vote on this one. Besides, there was no "He's gonna wipe the floor with these chumps and win the slam while getting his freak on with skanky hoes every night during the tournament" option.[/QUOTE]

So what. We all know you are a raging socialist too. Does that preclude you from voting in the General Election? You must stand up and make your vote count!

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]So what. We all know you are a raging socialist too. Does that preclude you from voting in the General Election? You must stand up and make your vote count![/QUOTE]
When there is an option that is appropriate I'll vote. A good poll should always have 'other' as an option.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]When there is an option that is appropriate I'll vote. A good poll should always have 'other' as an option.[/QUOTE]

AGREED-he's DONE-HAW, HAW, HAW....I love it! As the song says 'Happy days are here again.......'

[QUOTE=huskyhater]AGREED-he's DONE-HAW, HAW, HAW....I love it! As the song says 'Happy days are here again.......'[/QUOTE]

I don't agree with your exuberant attitude. While I, too, think Tiger is likely done, I don't think it is for the best of the game. I loved watching Tiger whenever he was striking the ball well. How can someone not admire art in motion? It was like watching Michael Jordan in a game where he was never hardly missing a shot. Just pure magic.

But, I feel no need to sit back and try to blow smoke up anyone's skirt. Nor do I need for Tiger to be winning before I am interested in watching golf. I love the game and I love to watchers the world's best players compete.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I don't agree with your exuberant attitude. While I, too, think Tiger is likely done, I don't think it is for the best of the game. I loved watching Tiger whenever he was striking the ball well. How can someone not admire art in motion? It was like watching Michael Jordan in a game where he was never hardly missing a shot. Just pure magic.

But, I feel no need to sit back and try to blow smoke up anyone's skirt. Nor do I need for Tiger to be winning before I am interested in watching golf. I love the game and I love to watchers the world's best players compete.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. I'm not a TW fan. Never have been and I got a bad feeling that Hell be back. He won't dominate like he once did. He's old and a bit broken. Something tells me that the spirit of his dead dad will inspire him to dedicate himself again. But then I could be wrong and he might take his new young toy out to sea and go spear fishing for some 20 something blond tuna. Personally that's what I would do. Start designing golf courses and shagging.

[QUOTE=poe4soul]I don't know. I'm not a TW fan. Never have been and I got a bad feeling that Hell be back. He won't dominate like he once did. He's old and a bit broken. Something tells me that the spirit of his dead dad will inspire him to dedicate himself again. But then I could be wrong and he might take his new young toy out to sea and go spear fishing for some 20 something blond tuna. Personally that's what I would do. Start designing golf courses and shagging.[/QUOTE]
I think he needs one more major before he can retire. Then he can ride off into the sunset as a story of redemtion, and as a champion who finished the game how he started, on top. There has been too much bad juju the last couple years. If he leaves now I think his brand is still too damaged to rake in the really big bucks in course design and other endorsements. If he wins another major all will be forgiven, his status will be restored, and his place in history will be assured, and he can basically do whatever he wants for the rest of his life and get paid more than anyone else on the planet to do it.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I think he needs one more major before he can retire. Then he can ride off into the sunset as a story of redemtion, and as a champion who finished the game how he started, on top. There has been too much bad juju the last couple years. If he leaves now I think his brand is still too damaged to rake in the really big bucks in course design and other endorsements. If he wins another major all will be forgiven, his status will be restored, and his place in history will be assured, and he can basically do whatever he wants for the rest of his life and get paid more than anyone else on the planet to do it.[/QUOTE]

So Jack's record is safe as houses now then?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]So Jack's record is safe as houses now then?[/QUOTE]
Hate to say it but I think it's a sure thing. Jack's record was always going to be unbelievably hard to beat, particularly in the modern game where there are more top athletes playing and when technology negates talent. IMO Tiger's record as it stands now is far more impressive than Jack's for major victories. Overall Jack's got him covered though with those 19 runner ups, and even if Tiger gets to 19 victories it would be hard to argue that Jack's record isn't better with all those second places. 18 wins and 19 seconds! Add all the rest of his top 10s and it becomes clear he must have been in contention every other major.

Ok, time to let it be known where you think Eldrick will finish in this year Masters:

Win
Top 10
Top 20
Outside Top 20 but Inside Cut Line (Outside Inside)
Missed Cut

I'll go with Outside Inside.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Ok, time to let it be known where you think Eldrick will finish in this year Masters:

Win
Top 10
Top 20
Outside Top 20 but Inside Cut Line (Outside Inside)
Missed Cut

I'll go with Outside Inside.[/QUOTE]
As outrageous as it may sound, I think Tiger will miss the cut. The way he's been going he'll struggle to beat the colostomy bag former champions HB referred to in an earlier post.

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Ok, time to let it be known where you think Eldrick will finish in this year Masters:

Win
Top 10
Top 20
[B]Outside Top 20 but Inside Cut Line (Outside Inside)[/B]
Missed Cut

I'll go with Outside Inside.[/QUOTE]

I'll take #4 for $100, Alex . . . . .

Interesting . . . . . . . Mickelboobs is the favorite to win this week's Masters according to the oddsmakers, but only by +595 odds. Tiger is second in the odds at +1050. I have seen some years in the past whenever Tiger was juice to win a majors. This is one of the most wide open majors I have seen in some time wagering-wise.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Interesting . . . . . . . Mickelboobs is the favorite to win this week's Masters according to the oddsmakers, but only by +595 odds. Tiger is second in the odds at +1050. I have seen some years in the past whenever Tiger was juice to win a majors. This is one of the most wide open majors I have seen in some time wagering-wise.[/QUOTE]
Mickelson was always going to be hard to beat, but coming off a win he is as close to a good thing as you'll ever get in a major outside Tiger back when he could play.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]Mickelson was always going to be hard to beat, but coming off a win he is as close to a good thing as you'll ever get in a major outside Tiger back when he could play.[/QUOTE]

I understand why he is favored, but remember, the sportsbooks set odds based on what it will take to get people to lay money. Mickelboobs is hot right now because he won this weekend, however, it is tough to win back to back weeks on the PGA and I will not be laying money on him myself. I think he is a sucker's bet.

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]I understand why he is favored, but remember, the sportsbooks set odds based on what it will take to get people to lay money. Mickelboobs is hot right now because he won this weekend, however, it is tough to win back to back weeks on the PGA and I will not be laying money on him myself. I think he is a sucker's bet.[/QUOTE]
I agree that normally it's hard to win back to back, but I would imagine that Phil was training to peak at Masters week, so there should actually be some improvement in him by the time he tees it up this week. also, Phil is as close to an Augusta specialist as I've ever seen. I dn't know if being a lefty makes it easier to play, but as it's such a right to left course, he should be able to handle it better cause fades are easier to control. He's also one of the longest out there and has a great short game. Add all that to the fact he actually knows how to win around there and you've got close to the complete package for a Masters champion.

[quote=SoonerBS]I understand why he is favored, but remember, the sportsbooks set odds based on what it will take to get people to lay money. Mickelboobs is hot right now because he won this weekend, however, it is tough to win back to back weeks on the PGA and I will not be laying money on him myself. I think he is a sucker's bet.[/quote]
Betting against sentimental favorites has been good to me along the way. Of course Mickelson will be favored in any tournament he enters when his game is on. But the pressure of the Masters makes things very different.

I think we're looking at a boring first-timer.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]I agree that normally it's hard to win back to back, but I would imagine that Phil was training to peak at Masters week, so there should actually be some improvement in him by the time he tees it up this week. also, Phil is as close to an Augusta specialist as I've ever seen. I dn't know if being a lefty makes it easier to play, but as it's such a right to left course, he should be able to handle it better cause fades are easier to control. He's also one of the longest out there and has a great short game. Add all that to the fact he actually knows how to win around there and you've got close to the complete package for a Masters champion.[/QUOTE]

All very good and valid points, but I reiterate -- it is very difficult to win back to back tournaments on the PGA Tour.

[QUOTE=Pky6471]TW , Hugh Hefner and all of us need this after a golf game... Golf is just like sex, we could have a bad round but we still want more.... just ask big Dave and Lorenzo.... don't ask Qtong, at his age I think he would go for any hole :)[/QUOTE]

PK,

You need to grace our threads with some more of this type of postings. Every time I scroll through this thread I see a flash of skin and have to go back to get another look; I just can't help myself.

[QUOTE=qtong]He needs to work on his short game. When he was playing his best, his ball striking was average at best but he could get up and down from anywhere and cash in on birdie putts. He is so concerned about his swing he is neglecting is bread and butter, short game.[/QUOTE]

Yep, like Mickelson, he was only fair from tee to green. But we know his name (like Nicklaus) because when it really, really, counted, he rolled putts in from everywhere!. When he did that his opponents faded. Els, Singh, et. al. faded when they heard the roar of the crowd when Tiger started making long birdies. Now Tiger seems to have lost his confidence on the greens. Nicklaus got it back by sheer power of will-- to win the Masters when he was 46 years old. During those 4 rounds he made some fantastic putts. But the poll shows that most of us believe that Tiger ain't no Nicklaus. He has probably won his last major--and maybe his last PGA tournament.

Larry

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Yep, like Mickelson, he was only fair from tee to green. But we know his name (like Nicklaus) because when it really, really, counted, he rolled putts in from everywhere!. When he did that his opponents faded. Els, Singh, et. al. faded when they heard the roar of the crowd when Tiger started making long birdies. Now Tiger seems to have lost his confidence on the greens. Nicklaus got it back by sheer power of will-- to win the Masters when he was 46 years old. During those 4 rounds he made some fantastic putts. But the poll shows that most of us believe that Tiger ain't no Nicklaus. He has probably won his last major--and maybe his last PGA tournament.[/QUOTE]

And a poll done of the world prior to 1492 (or in too much of the US even until today) would have you agreeing that the world was flat.

And didn't you recently tell everyone that tee to green was what was really important to scoring; to the point that you'd give up 20 yards (or was it more?) in order to hit a few more fairways? Because Mickelson doesn't really make much of a role model for that view, does he?

Whether or not Tiger comes back to be Tiger again depends totally...

...on Tiger.

He knows he has the tools to be the best golfer on the planet. The question now is whether or not he still as the drive to do the work that is necessary to get his game back on track.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Yep, like Mickelson, he was only fair from tee to green. But we know his name (like Nicklaus) because when it really, really, counted, he rolled putts in from everywhere!. When he did that his opponents faded. Els, Singh, et. al. faded when they heard the roar of the crowd when Tiger started making long birdies. Now Tiger seems to have lost his confidence on the greens. Nicklaus got it back by sheer power of will-- to win the Masters when he was 46 years old. During those 4 rounds he made some fantastic putts. But the poll shows that most of us believe that Tiger ain't no Nicklaus. He has probably won his last major--and maybe his last PGA tournament.

Larry[/QUOTE]

This is one of the truest posts you have ever made, Larry. I agree with you. It's too bad that Alan will likely come along and try to prove you wrong out of spite.


P.S. -- Oh, . . . . . I see already has . . . . . .

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Whether or not Tiger comes back to be Tiger again depends totally...

...on Tiger.

[B]He knows he has the tools to be the best golfer on the planet.[/B] The question now is whether or not he still as the drive to do the work that is necessary to get his game back on track.[/QUOTE]

Tools get rusty with age if you do not keep them well oiled. Tiger has been oiling the wrong tool over the years and he has allowed his best tool to get rusty . . . . . . . . . his mind.

Alan, this is just plain dumb. Your picking Tiger to win two majors will give Larry something objective to prove he's superior to you. He'll have the link to the poll memorized so he can rampantly insert it into any argument you're having.

And the upside was what?

[QUOTE=lorenzoinoc]Alan, this is just plain dumb. Your picking Tiger to win two majors will give Larry something objective to prove he's superior to you. He'll have the link to the poll memorized so he can rampantly insert it into any argument you're having.

And the upside was what?[/QUOTE]

A little thing called calling it the way I see it. :)

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]Tools get rusty with age if you do not keep them well oiled. Tiger has been oiling the wrong tool over the years and he has allowed his best tool to get rusty . . . . . . . . . his mind.[/QUOTE]
Great post sooner.

There's also a field of young players that still have their mojo (funny mojo is auto corrected to mini on my android) that might have something to say about tiger winning.

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Yep, like Mickelson, he was only fair from tee to green. But we know his name (like Nicklaus) because when it really, really, counted, he rolled putts in from everywhere!. When he did that his opponents faded. Els, Singh, et. al. faded when they heard the roar of the crowd when Tiger started making long birdies. Now Tiger seems to have lost his confidence on the greens. Nicklaus got it back by sheer power of will-- to win the Masters when he was 46 years old. During those 4 rounds he made some fantastic putts. But the poll shows that most of us believe that Tiger ain't no Nicklaus. He has probably won his last major--and maybe his last PGA tournament.

Larry[/QUOTE]
It's very fitting of all the post on this thread you pick qturd to reply to. Instinctively you two must have something in common. Do you only play 6 holes of golf before you need a nap lary?

[QUOTE=oldplayer]How come FON didn't vote for #3? :confused:[/QUOTE]


When an important poll such as this is posted on GR, I prefer to have all my faculties when placing my vote. Thus I waited until AFTER I had voted to light up my spliff. Clearly option 3 would have been a dishonest vote at the time, as I was not yet on drugs at the time of voting. :D

I have the utmost respect for due democratic process.



FON

[QUOTE=poe4soul]It's very fitting of all the post on this thread you pick qturd to reply to. Instinctively you two must have something in common. Do you only play 6 holes of golf before you need a nap lary?[/QUOTE]


I've heard that with Swingalis a round can last up to four hours. If it lasts any longer than that it can cause permanent injury and a course marshall should be consulted immediately.



FON

It's starting to look as though the great rivalry between Phik and Tiger is never goig to materialise. It was looking close a few years back, til Phil had a meltdown at Winged Foot and went into a slump. And since then Phil has come good but Tiger has been screwed over by his vindictive ex wife. I think with Tiger and Phil's ages, the chance of them having a meaningful rivalry at major level is gone, although Phil still looks like he's good or a while yet so if Tiger get's his game back and that biatch ex wife stops riding him, it might happen.

It's my duty to share with you guys/girls/AC-DC those beautiful ladies

[QUOTE=poe4soul]It's very fitting of all the post on this thread you pick qturd to reply to. Instinctively you two must have something in common. [B]Do you only play 6 holes of golf [/B]before you need a nap lary?[/QUOTE]

When he brags about breaking 80 from the tips it's probably true. Through 6 holes.

[quote=FreakOfNature]Tiger will not win another major, and will retire from competitive golf at age 38 in 2014 after going winless for 18 months and missing the cut by 8 shots in what will be his final appearance at The Masters and in all of professional golf. He will rarely be seen or heard from thereafter. A photo will then emerge sometime in 2020 of Tiger with a gut large enough to have him convicted of smuggling turkeys.

Book it.



FON[/quote]
Even the Golden Bear, who's by all accounts a pretty savy guy - golfwise, and knows how to keep his zipper closed, has not counted Tiger out. I don't know for sure what he sees, but one thing's for sure ... Tiger's problem is mental, and (like an electrical problem) this can dissappear as quickly as it appeared. If that happens, we'll see some interesting play. If not, we can watch Phil clean things up for #3.

[QUOTE=Regulation Guy][B]Even the Golden Bear, who's by all accounts a pretty savy guy - golfwise, and knows how to keep his zipper closed, has not counted Tiger out.[/B] I don't know for sure what he sees, but one thing's for sure ... Tiger's problem is mental, and (like an electrical problem) this can dissappear as quickly as it appeared. If that happens, we'll see some interesting play. If not, we can watch Phil clean things up for #3.[/QUOTE]

Of course he's keeping his mouth closed. He's a gentleman. What he gain from talking shiat about Tiger? There's no upside and all down. What he says and what he thinks are probably two different things. Time will tell. Like electrical systems sometimes it's a short and sometimes that short blows out the entire system including the computer controls. It all depends.

[quote=poe4soul]Of course he's keeping his mouth closed. He's a gentleman. What he gain from talking shiat about Tiger? There's no upside and all down. What he says and what he thinks are probably two different things. Time will tell. Like electrical systems sometimes it's a short and sometimes that short blows out the entire system including the computer controls. It all depends.[/quote]

Maybe a plumbing analogy is more appropriate. Sometimes you stick in the plunger, do a little "ka-chunk, ka-chunk" and everything goes out fine. Other times, no matter how much you plunge, the roots have taken over and you have to replace the clay pipes with PVC. So, it remains to be seen if Tiger's swing is simply "poop" right now or if the swing has ingrained itself and has begun to establish deep roots.

:aureola: [QUOTE=famousdavis]Maybe a plumbing analogy is more appropriate. Sometimes you stick in the plunger, do a little "ka-chunk, ka-chunk" and everything goes out fine. Other times, no matter how much you plunge, the roots have taken over and you have to replace the clay pipes with PVC. So, it remains to be seen if Tiger's swing is simply "poop" right now or if the swing has ingrained itself and has begun to establish deep roots.[/QUOTE]

So you saying tiger is a shiat for brains? Never thought you would say that but I agree.

[quote=poe4soul]:aureola:

So you saying tiger is a shiat for brains? Never thought you would say that but I agree.[/quote]

Poe, there's no question that what he did was stupid. I don't know how he thought he could keep his indescretions going without the media or a slip (cell phone texts) tripping him up. However, I think he is one of the most intelligent golfers out there and understands how to win better than anyone. I think this is Tiger's major to win and we'll see what happens. I think if he doesn't win a major in the next two years then he is done. Part of that is just age. If you look at all the greats, the age of 35 is when the putting left them. I'm not talking about guys that had their best years in their 40's like Perry and Singh. I'm talking about guys that won a bunch of majors before they turned 35. Watson, Miller, Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, etc. all lost their putting games around that age.

It's interesting, because you'd think that the power game would go first but that isn't the case. The putting is what goes first. I can still hit the ball about as far as I ever did at 42 but my hand/eye coordination isn't nearly as good as it used to be. Fear grows as we get older as well and there is nothing more scary than worrying about three-putting or leaving a putt short. Adam Scott is already done and so is Sergio Garcia. They can't putt. Steve Stricker is the only golfer I can think of who putts well over the age of 40.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Poe, there's no question that what he did was stupid. I don't know how he thought he could keep his indescretions going without the media or a slip (cell phone texts) tripping him up. However, I think he is one of the most intelligent golfers out there and understands how to win better than anyone. I think this is Tiger's major to win and we'll see what happens. I think if he doesn't win a major in the next two years then he is done. Part of that is just age. If you look at all the greats, the age of 35 is when the putting left them. I'm not talking about guys that had their best years in their 40's like Perry and Singh. I'm talking about guys that won a bunch of majors before they turned 35. Watson, Miller, Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, etc. all lost their putting games around that age.

It's interesting, because you'd think that the power game would go first but that isn't the case. The putting is what goes first. I can still hit the ball about as far as I ever did at 42 but my hand/eye coordination isn't nearly as good as it used to be. Fear grows as we get older as well and there is nothing more scary than worrying about three-putting or leaving a putt short. Adam Scott is already done and so is Sergio Garcia. They can't putt. Steve Stricker is the only golfer I can think of who putts well over the age of 40.[/QUOTE]

I know what you are saying is true, however, the guys I play with (most all over 60 years of age) are very good putters and their short game is the best aspect of their game. Why do you suppose on the professional tour that the putting goes before the rest of the game? (Didn't Langer have this problem, too?)

[quote=SoonerBS]I know what you are saying is true, however, the guys I play with (most all over 60 years of age) are very good putters and their short game is the best aspect of their game. Why do you suppose on the professional tour that the putting goes before the rest of the game? (Didn't Langer have this problem, too?)[/quote]

The over 60's guys you play with may be good putters relative to the rest of the golfing public but they aren't good compared to a PGA touring pro. Sergio Garcia would appear to be a great putter if paired with us. Look at some of the stats on the PGA tour. Some of the guys at the top of the leaderboard on any given tournament have made something like 60 out of 65 putts within 10 feet. That's insane!

Langer always has had a problem with putting but again it's all relative. Ben Hogan literally couldn't putt in his later years. Miller had to quit because of his putting. His last win at the Bing Crosby he admitted that he putted with his eyes closed most of the time. Palmer completely lost his putting after the age of 34. Watson was the biggest collapse. He says it was his iron play but we all know that's a cover up. Nobody wants to admit they have the yips. I don't understand the yips because I've never had them. However, I can understand how it manifests itself over time. If you keep missing 3 footers then you start worrying about it. That effects your lag putting because you worry about getting it close. Over time, you freeze over the putt and can't bring the putter back. I used to play with one of my Dad's friends who had the yips and it's the worst thing I've ever seen in golf. You literally can't watch.

If you haven't had the yips you can't understand. You'll say "just go up there and ram it in the hole". The guy with the yips responds "I can't". That's why long putters should be banned. If you can't putt you can't putt.

[QUOTE=famousdavis][B]The over 60's guys you play with may be good putters relative to the rest of the golfing public but they aren't good compared to a PGA touring pro.[/B] Sergio Garcia would appear to be a great putter if paired with us. Look at some of the stats on the PGA tour. Some of the guys at the top of the leaderboard on any given tournament have made something like 60 out of 65 putts within 10 feet. That's insane!

Langer always has had a problem with putting but again it's all relative. Ben Hogan literally couldn't putt in his later years. Miller had to quit because of his putting. His last win at the Bing Crosby he admitted that he putted with his eyes closed most of the time. Palmer completely lost his putting after the age of 34. Watson was the biggest collapse. He says it was his iron play but we all know that's a cover up. Nobody wants to admit they have the yips. I don't understand the yips because I've never had them. However, I can understand how it manifests itself over time. If you keep missing 3 footers then you start worrying about it. That effects your lag putting because you worry about getting it close. Over time, you freeze over the putt and can't bring the putter back. I used to play with one of my Dad's friends who had the yips and it's the worst thing I've ever seen in golf. You literally can't watch.

If you haven't had the yips you can't understand. You'll say "just go up there and ram it in the hole". The guy with the yips responds "I can't". That's why long putters should be banned. If you can't putt you can't putt.[/QUOTE]

Good point. I've played with a guy who used to play on the NIKE tour and his putting was just a thing of beauty to watch.

[quote=SoonerBS]Good point. I've played with a guy who used to play on the NIKE tour and his putting was just a thing of beauty to watch.[/quote]

Just a few years ago I played in a regular skins game with several guys who at one time or another tried to make it to the PGA Tour. This one guy was still a college player and hit his drives around 290 (pretty long for courses with no roll). His iron shots were beautiful. He'd hit a 6 iron when I was hitting a 3 iron. He had the length and he had the iron game but he didn't have the putting. He used a long putter and I thought he putted pretty well. However, he simply didn't make enough putts. He worked at the club where he played and I remember asking him how his game was going. He said that he decided to stop playing. He said that he couldn't take it anymore. He said that he realized that he'd never be a good enough putter to make it on the PGA tour and that he was sick and tired of hitting perfect drives and iron shots only to miss putts.

I felt like saying "yeah, but if you work at it you might get better". I held back because we all know that putting isn't technique. Either you stand over a putt knowing you're going to make it or you stand over a putt worrying about leaving it short or long. The difference is huge and it's what seperates the pros from the guys working at golf courses.

I remember watching some old film of Lee Trevino winning one of his majors. This 5-7, short and portly guy going around hitting unbelievable shots and then making every putt. You either have it or you don't.

There's a guy at my dad's club that has been preparing to join the Champions Tour since the age of 40. He went to the club every day at 6am and hit balls for one hour and then worked on his short game for another hour. He sold his business and his wife agreed to let him work toward his dream. He's won a few NCGA tournaments and is the best player anyone has seen at the club. He made it to the final round of qualifying for the Champioins Tour and then he realized that he was in the wrong company.

Unless you've won a state event or played in the US Amateur you have no business trying out for any tour. The difference is in the putting.

You are right FD, although it is no secret. All the players who make it to the elite level (the top tours) can all hit the ball exceptionally well. It is the putting and the mental attitude that seperates them. All the greats were at the top of the tree in those two things. Tiger in his prime was a perfect example.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Just a few years ago I played in a regular skins game with several guys who at one time or another tried to make it to the PGA Tour. This one guy was still a college player and hit his drives around 290 (pretty long for courses with no roll). His iron shots were beautiful. He'd hit a 6 iron when I was hitting a 3 iron. He had the length and he had the iron game but he didn't have the putting. He used a long putter and I thought he putted pretty well. However, he simply didn't make enough putts. He worked at the club where he played and I remember asking him how his game was going. He said that he decided to stop playing. He said that he couldn't take it anymore. He said that he realized that he'd never be a good enough putter to make it on the PGA tour and that he was sick and tired of hitting perfect drives and iron shots only to miss putts.

I felt like saying "yeah, but if you work at it you might get better". I held back because we all know that putting isn't technique. Either you stand over a putt knowing you're going to make it or you stand over a putt worrying about leaving it short or long. The difference is huge and it's what seperates the pros from the guys working at golf courses.

I remember watching some old film of Lee Trevino winning one of his majors. This 5-7, short and portly guy going around hitting unbelievable shots and then making every putt. You either have it or you don't.

[B]There's a guy at my dad's club that has been preparing to join the Champions Tour since the age of 40. He went to the club every day at 6am and hit balls for one hour and then worked on his short game for another hour. He sold his business and his wife agreed to let him work toward his dream. He's won a few NCGA tournaments and is the best player anyone has seen at the club. He made it to the final round of qualifying for the Champioins Tour and then he realized that he was in the wrong company. [/B]

Unless you've won a state event or played in the US Amateur you have no business trying out for any tour. The difference is in the putting.[/QUOTE]
You're starting to sound like you know who with all this talk about how tough it is to get on the colostomy bag tour. Basically is you are over 50 and can walk from the cart to the green and back for 18 holes without crapping yourself, there is a good chance you can make that tour. A bunch of washed up bums getting around in carts, playing courses set up like the LPGA tour.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]Poe, there's no question that what he did was stupid. I don't know how he thought he could keep his indescretions going without the media or a slip (cell phone texts) tripping him up. However, I think he is one of the most intelligent golfers out there and understands how to win better than anyone. I think this is Tiger's major to win and we'll see what happens. I think if he doesn't win a major in the next two years then he is done. Part of that is just age. If you look at all the greats, the age of 35 is when the putting left them. I'm not talking about guys that had their best years in their 40's like Perry and Singh. I'm talking about guys that won a bunch of majors before they turned 35. Watson, Miller, Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, etc. all lost their putting games around that age.

It's interesting, because you'd think that the power game would go first but that isn't the case. The putting is what goes first. I can still hit the ball about as far as I ever did at 42 but my hand/eye coordination isn't nearly as good as it used to be. Fear grows as we get older as well and there is nothing more scary than worrying about three-putting or leaving a putt short. [B]Adam Scott is already done and so is Sergio Garcia. [/B] They can't putt. Steve Stricker is the only golfer I can think of who putts well over the age of 40.[/QUOTE]

Those two guys don't support your argument much as those two could NEVER putt.

[QUOTE=Kiwi Player]Those two guys don't support your argument much as those two could NEVER putt.[/QUOTE]
I won't make a habit of it, but I've got to agree with Kiwi on this one. Sergio and Scott couldn't putt in their 20s or teens so they have no chance of putting well in their 40s. I seem to recall that at one time Sergio was a good putter, but Scott has always sukt arse on the greens. All of us in Oz have known for years that Scott is a terrific ball striker but terrible putter. Sergio seemed to lose the plot some time during his 20s and is now a basket case on the greens. Although I noted Sergio was on the leaderboard today at Augusta. How the fuk did he qualify?

[QUOTE=Larryrsf]Yep, like Mickelson, he was only fair from tee to green. But we know his name (like Nicklaus) because when it really, really, counted, he rolled putts in from everywhere!. When he did that his opponents faded. Els, Singh, et. al. faded when they heard the roar of the crowd when Tiger started making long birdies. Now Tiger seems to have lost his confidence on the greens. Nicklaus got it back by sheer power of will-- to win the Masters when he was 46 years old. During those 4 rounds he made some fantastic putts. But the poll shows that most of us believe that Tiger ain't no Nicklaus. He has probably won his last major--and maybe his last PGA tournament. [/QUOTE]

Hey, Larry, who said this:

[INDENT]"[I]And hitting drives down the middle and irons to the perfect spot on
the green and putting with perfect speed control. It looks like the
confident Tiger of a few years ago. I think we will see the fear in
their eyes again. Tiger DOES NOT fade when it really counts-- all the
others do."[/I][/INDENT]

...hmmm?

:)

Alan,
Do you ever have a normal post man? Or are you always just arguing and disecting posts.This thing with Larry goes beyond normality.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Alan,
Do you ever have a normal post man?[/quote]

Sure. But when I have nothing to say, I often remain silent. That's not something that happens much around here. :)

[quote]Or are you always just arguing and disecting posts.This thing with Larry goes beyond normality.[/QUOTE]

I'm just having a little fun on a day when I'm stuck home with the flu.

I thought you guys in Canada do not get sick since you have that Medical Marijuana. I know you do not call it Medical up there though. A little THC resin goop might cough up some flem.

[QUOTE=jetdriver]I thought you guys in Canada do not get sick since you have that Medical Marijuana. I know you do not call it Medical up there though. A little THC resin goop might cough up some flem.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to shatter another illusion. :)

As for THC, I don't particularly care for it.

[QUOTE=alangbaker]Sorry to shatter another illusion. :)

As for THC, I don't particularly care for it.[/QUOTE]
Well good for you!
-Peace, jetdriver, out. :)

[QUOTE=jetdriver]Well good for you!
-Peace, jetdriver, out. :)[/QUOTE]

Well, thanks... ...but remember, it's just a preference (or a lack of one, rather).

Cheers.

So it looks like my ptredictions about Tiger are right and all you Tiger haters out threre are about to take turns kissing my ass. You really should have known better than to knock a champion. He showed signs today that he is well and truly back, it will be interesting to see how the others react when Tige applies the blowtorch on Saturday.

How exactly is the drug testing program conducted on the PGA tour? Is it random, if so how often...would we ever hear if anyone actually tests positive...just asking

[quote=Not a hacker]So it looks like my ptredictions about Tiger are right and all you Tiger haters out threre are about to take turns kissing my ass. You really should have known better than to knock a champion. He showed signs today that he is well and truly back, it will be interesting to see how the others react when Tige applies the blowtorch on Saturday.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head there NAH. Despite all the criticism, everyone likes to see Tiger on the leaderboard. It makes the golf tournament that much more exciting. Even if you want him to lose, there's the record, history and the drama Tiger brings to a tournament that can't be ignored. What's makes it really exciting is that Tiger either goes crazy on Saturday or has a bad round. I can't stand watching him hit driver. He needs to bring back that little wrist hitch in his swing. Right now it's all arms and it looks horrible. His 3 wood swing is completely different than that of his driver swing. I can't figure it out. Some of those driver swings he had today looked worse than Qtongs! Completely over the top and coming out of it. Come on Tiger, go back to the 1997 swing.

I watched a youtube video of his 1997 win and he looked SO different. He wasn't focusing on his swing. His putts were free flowing and easy. I really want him to win because I think he brings an excitement to the game that no one else can.

[QUOTE=famousdavis]You hit the nail on the head there NAH. Despite all the criticism, everyone likes to see Tiger on the leaderboard. It makes the golf tournament that much more exciting. Even if you want him to lose, there's the record, history and the drama Tiger brings to a tournament that can't be ignored. What's makes it really exciting is that Tiger either goes crazy on Saturday or has a bad round. I can't stand watching him hit driver. He needs to bring back that little wrist hitch in his swing. Right now it's all arms and it looks horrible. His 3 wood swing is completely different than that of his driver swing. I can't figure it out. Some of those driver swings he had today looked worse than Qtongs! Completely over the top and coming out of it. Come on Tiger, go back to the 1997 swing.

I watched a youtube video of his 1997 win and he looked SO different. He wasn't focusing on his swing. His putts were free flowing and easy. I really want him to win because I think he brings an excitement to the game that no one else can.[/QUOTE]
I think the game of golf needs Tiger to win this as much as Tiger needs it. There will be plenty of opportunities for McIlroy and co when Tiger retires, but right now golf needs the man back in charge and winning majors. And just to clarify things I am the biggest favourite hater of all time and usually hate seeing the same guy or team win it over and over. Tiger is the only exception. I never get tired of seeing him whomp the likes of Sergio and Ernie and Duval. I think the fans also deserve to see their hero win this week. Unlike some of the ingrates on this board, the fans have never left him and don't judge him on what he does off the course. They judge him on what he brings to the table, which is a level of excitement like no other player in the history of the game.

[quote=Not a hacker]I think the game of golf needs Tiger to win this as much as Tiger needs it. There will be plenty of opportunities for McIlroy and co when Tiger retires, but right now golf needs the man back in charge and winning majors. And just to clarify things I am the biggest favourite hater of all time and usually hate seeing the same guy or team win it over and over. Tiger is the only exception. I never get tired of seeing him whomp the likes of Sergio and Ernie and Duval. I think the fans also deserve to see their hero win this week. Unlike some of the ingrates on this board, the fans have never left him and don't judge him on what he does off the course. They judge him on what he brings to the table, which is a level of excitement like no other player in the history of the game.[/quote]

Speaking of Sergio is that guy ever happy? I guess he's a couple notches above Duval in personality but he needs to get a hop in his step or something. He needs to ditch that ugly white belly putter too. Taylormade has some great players irons this year but I hate those white putters.

[quote=Not a hacker]So it looks like my ptredictions about Tiger are right and all you Tiger haters out threre are about to take turns kissing my ass. You really should have known better than to knock a champion. He showed signs today that he is well and truly back, it will be interesting to see how the others react when Tige applies the blowtorch on Saturday.[/quote]
Eldrick = Sergio

Good Start = Over Exposure of His Miserable Ass on TV + Week-end Crash

Swing Looks Better < Short Game & Putting Gone

Fowler, Day and McElroy > Washed-Up Tiger x 1,000

You know, if I were Tiger, I would be flat out embarrassed to have commentators make excuses for me like these guys are doing today. It is absolutely a low point in Masters broadcasting history. They all need t-shirts that say, "I love Tiger dick."

He three putted an easy par 5 . . . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/lol6.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]He three putted an easy par 5 . . . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/lol6.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
But it was a 3 putt par, which means he was on the green for two, which backs up the general consensus that tiger is still the best player in the world until he gets the putter out. Crenshaw would have shot the course record with Tiger's tee to green game today.

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]But it was a 3 putt par, which means he was on the green for two, which backs up the general consensus that tiger is still the best player in the world until he gets the putter out. Crenshaw would have shot the course record with Tiger's tee to green game today.[/QUOTE]

Go j@ck of with that thought about your boy, he's done-go away. He had his moment yesterday, he's a one-shot pony.......seeya!

[QUOTE=SoonerBS]He three putted an easy par 5 . . . . . . . [img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/eng/lol6.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

Sooner, keep telling it like it is...it's VERY entertaining seeing the wood apologists scramble to make excuses for their favorite A-HOLE. Guaranteed, the Golf Gods will Not let wood win, that would just be too WRONG. All the nutt-huggers say how great it would be for 'him' to win, but the SOB brought ALL of his troubles upon himself by being a selfish, arrogant N. TRUTH!!!!!!!.........................!!!!

[QUOTE=Not a hacker]It's starting to look as though the great rivalry between Phik and Tiger is never goig to materialise. It was looking close a few years back, til Phil had a meltdown at Winged Foot and went into a slump. And since then Phil has come good but Tiger has been screwed over by his vindictive ex wife. I think with Tiger and Phil's ages, the chance of them having a meaningful rivalry at major level is gone, although Phil still looks like he's good or a while yet so if Tiger get's his game back and that biatch ex wife stops riding him, it might happen.[/QUOTE]
Remember those great old black and white TV shows--"Shell's Wonderful World of Golf"-- where Jack, Arnie and Gary would play an 18 hole stroke-play match at some of the world's great courses? The winner, back in the 1950's, would get a check for $10,000 US and it was a lot of money back then. I foresee Tiger, Phil, Ernie and maybe Retief and Davis III in a series like that. It will be in color this time and the winner will pocket a bit more than $10K USD but, like the original, it will run well after most of them were capable of competing at the highest level regularly. These shows will run continuously during the American winter months on the Golf Channel.

[QUOTE=mongrel]Remember those great old black and white TV shows--"Shell's Wonderful World of Golf"-- where Jack, Arnie and Gary would play an 18 hole stroke-play match at some of the world's great courses? The winner, back in the 1950's, would get a check for $10,000 US and it was a lot of money back then. I foresee Tiger, Phil, Ernie and maybe Retief and Davis III in a series like that. It will be in color this time and the winner will pocket a bit more than $10K USD but, like the original, it will run well after most of them were capable of competing at the highest level regularly. These shows will run continuously during the American winter months on the Golf Channel.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good for most of them, but Tiger doesn't get out of bed for a non tour event for less than 2 mil. He has nothing to gain from whomping thosew patsys, but his legacy could be compromised if they get lucky in events Tiger doesn't give a toss about.

[quote=Not a hacker]Sounds good for most of them, but Tiger doesn't get out of bed for a non tour event for less than 2 mil. He has nothing to gain from whomping thosew patsys, but his legacy could be compromised if they get lucky in events Tiger doesn't give a toss about.[/quote]

I would agree for now but that's what Nicklaus used to say. Nicklaus always talked about how he'd never hang around. First, he said he'd hang 'em up once he turned 50. Next thing you know he's playing on the Senior tour. Then he says he'd never be one of those guys playing in majors at an old age. Next thing you know he's playing in the British Open, says it's his last time, and then goes and plays it again. Next thing he says is that he'd never be one of those honorable starters for the Masters. Well, I could have swore I saw him be an honorary starter this year. At least Palmer has the guts to say that he just loves the game and can't get enough of it. Nicklaus always acts as if he doesn't like playing unless he can win.

As for Tiger today, he should have had a score that was 4 better than what he posted. He made some great putts on the front nine that were right on the lip but on the back side he putted horribly. That chip on 18 was easy and he hit a horrible shot. It's interesting how similar last year was vs. this year.