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    If Bill Maher Tripped And Fell Off A 1,000 Foot Cliff How Would You Feel?

    I've always assumed all people would just go about their business as if nothing happened, even those within inches from impact and splattered in blood.

    S.hit happens. Sure, there might be some who'd want to get their clothes washed but I would think most would want to keep them as souvenirs. Something that will remind them they were there when the world became a better place.

    But then I saw NN's comment suggesting he wouldn't join the rest of the world in urinating on the corpse.

    What's up with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    What's up with that?

    You know exactly what's up with that, Lorenzo, so why ask rhetoric questions?

    I'm a rare socialist who plays golf,

    I viscerally and vehemently hate right wing conservatism (as well as theocracy),

    and I work very hard not to hate the conservatives and Jesus freaks themselves,

    usually with at least a measure of success,

    which puts me light years ahead of my late brother, GRHS, who would routinely administer beatings to them,

    verbal or even occasionally physical,

    when the opportunity arose.

    Why wouldn't I like Eastern, progressive, Ivy League educated Bill Maher?

    You're far too smart to ask that, so I must assume that your words are meant to be gentle provacation!

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    He is another one of those people who I cannot blame for cashing in on others' stupidity (like Kim K. or Paris Hilton).
    Maybe I am a bit too generous, but I've always just assumed that every intelligent person understands that all of these opinionated people with microphones (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Maher, etc.) are just riling up the idiots on either side of the aisle for profit. They are not to be taken seriously, and if you find yourself agreeing with any of their cartoonish stances, you should probably re-evaluate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You know exactly what's up with that, Lorenzo, so why ask rhetoric questions?

    I'm a rare socialist who plays golf,

    I viscerally and vehemently hate right wing conservatism (as well as theocracy),

    and I work very hard not to hate the conservatives and Jesus freaks themselves,

    usually with at least a measure of success,

    which puts me light years ahead of my late brother, GRHS, who would routinely administer beatings to them,

    verbal or even occasionally physical,

    when the opportunity arose.

    Why wouldn't I like Eastern, progressive, Ivy League educated Bill Maher?

    You're far too smart to ask that, so I must assume that your words are meant to be gentle provacation!
    No seriously. With politicians disingenuousness is within their job description. A non-poitician who's a fact twister with an end justifies the means attitude is better as fertilizer. Mitt Romney's the kind of politician our system finds electable. But a politician's attributes become deficiencies in someone like Bill Maher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    He is another one of those people who I cannot blame for cashing in on others' stupidity (like Kim K. or Paris Hilton).
    Maybe I am a bit too generous, but I've always just assumed that every intelligent person understands that all of these opinionated people with microphones (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Maher, etc.) are just riling up the idiots on either side of the aisle for profit. They are not to be taken seriously, and if you find yourself agreeing with any of their cartoonish stances, you should probably re-evaluate.
    Well you're right, of course, but we are stuck with the effect of their influence, not on intelligent people but on the other 98% of Americans. Party liners don't think they herd up and follow.
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    Can you send a link to the stuff he's said that you find so abhorrent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddha33 View Post
    Can you send a link to the stuff he's said that you find so abhorrent?
    That's like asking for evidence there's gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    That's like asking for evidence there's gravity.
    Yes, we can prove that there's gravity... that's why the whole world sucks.!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    That's like asking for evidence there's gravity.
    or evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddha33 View Post
    Can you send a link to the stuff he's said that you find so abhorrent?

    Maher's basic schtick, like that of most limousine liberals (e.g. Janeane Garofalo, Jon Stewart, Alan Colmes, Rosie O'Donnell, ad nauseum) is that other people are the "racists," never him or his tribe. In other words, somehow, people whose lives consist mainly of a daily trek from leafy suburb to glass tower and back, with the occasional stopover in Maui, are the non-racists, while people who actually have to live among blacks and complain about their refusal to live civilized lives are the "racists." What this is, of course, is a cover for simple snobbery. What Maher and his ilk are really saying is "ha ha, I've got the money to separate myself from those savages and you don't, so you're a loser and you deserve what you get and now we're going to vilify you for not being rich." But guess what? Come the big breakdown, people who 'clilng to their guns' aren't going to be targeting blacks. No sir. Instead, they're going to be exacting revenge against people like Maher who've been working so hard these last 30 yrs. to define them as "evil" for simply being unable to get rich. He and those like him better have a good personal security detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24putts View Post
    Maher's basic schtick, like that of most limousine liberals (e.g. Janeane Garofalo, Jon Stewart, Alan Colmes, Rosie O'Donnell, ad nauseum) is that other people are the "racists," never him or his tribe. In other words, somehow, people whose lives consist mainly of a daily trek from leafy suburb to glass tower and back, with the occasional stopover in Maui, are the non-racists, while people who actually have to live among blacks and complain about their refusal to live civilized lives are the "racists." What this is, of course, is a cover for simple snobbery. What Maher and his ilk are really saying is "ha ha, I've got the money to separate myself from those savages and you don't, so you're a loser and you deserve what you get and now we're going to vilify you for not being rich." But guess what? Come the big breakdown, people who 'clilng to their guns' aren't going to be targeting blacks. No sir. Instead, they're going to be exacting revenge against people like Maher who've been working so hard these last 30 yrs. to define them as "evil" for simply being unable to get rich. He and those like him better have a good personal security detail.
    Elitist liberals are ironic, I agree.
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    Liary would be proud of the retardedness in this thread.
    I keeps it real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddha33 View Post
    Liary would be proud of the retardedness in this thread.

    I'm glad you're heere b. Still, we could use some new blood as many of the posters here having been taking a page from his book since it's seems to be so successful.
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    As a non American I feel really left out of these current threads in the NGF. Who is Bill Maher and WTF is wrong with Arizona?

    Raising Arizona was a crap movie BTW.
    I chose the road less traveled.

    Now where the f#ck am I?

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    I'm not offended by Bill Maher's rhetoric. What offends me is the fact that he's supposed to be a comedian and he's not funny at all.
    It's as if a no talent hack like Brittany Spears became smug and elitist and people started taking her seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Player View Post
    As a non American I feel really left out of these current threads in the NGF. Who is Bill Maher and WTF is wrong with Arizona?

    Raising Arizona was a crap movie BTW.
    Think of Bill Maher in this instance as a trolling tool, that's all you really need to know. Arizona too. It's time we explain Larry to those who don't seem to get it.
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    Apparently, I must not give a fat f*ck about the concensus opinion of GR contributors because I like Bill Maher, I like Michael Moore, I like Rachel Maddow, I like Nancy Pelosi, I like Keith Olbermann, and I like Hugo Chavez.

    Also, I hate macho crackers who think that they're rugged militiamen waiting for the apocolypse because I known from personal experience that they're sh!tkicker fluff.

    I love the patriotism of people whose decsendants seceded from the union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Home-slicer View Post
    I'm not offended by Bill Maher's rhetoric. What offends me is the fact that he's supposed to be a comedian and he's not funny at all.
    It's as if a no talent hack like Brittany Spears became smug and elitist and people started taking her seriously.
    People that suck at their jobs shouldn't criticize the polititions that suck at their jobs.
    This is excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Apparently, I must not give a fat f*ck about the concensus opinion of GR contributors because I like Bill Maher, I like Michael Moore, I like Rachel Maddow, I like Nancy Pelosi, I like Keith Olbermann, and I like Hugo Chavez.

    Also, I hate macho crackers who think that they're rugged militiamen waiting for the apocolypse because I known from personal experience that they're sh!tkicker fluff.

    I love the patriotism of people whose decsendants seceded from the union.
    I'm going to offer you a little advice, unsolicited, yet worth noting.
    You're trying too hard. Subtlety is the nature of the game.
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    So checking the responses thus far, it sounds as though if Bill Maher tripped and fell off a 1,000 cliff most here would be ok with it because he isn't funny.

    How far would you go with this? Peter Jacobsen? David Letterman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    So checking the responses thus far, it sounds as though if Bill Maher feel off a 1,000 cliff most here would be ok with it because he isn't funny.

    How far would you go with this? Peter Jacobsen? David Letterman?
    Keep going......
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Apparently, I must not give a fat f*ck about the concensus opinion of GR contributors because I like Bill Maher, I like Michael Moore, I like Rachel Maddow, I like Nancy Pelosi, I like Keith Olbermann, and I like Hugo Chavez.

    Also, I hate macho crackers who think that they're rugged militiamen waiting for the apocolypse because I known from personal experience that they're sh!tkicker fluff.

    I love the patriotism of people whose decsendants seceded from the union.
    Even non Americans can't stand Michael Moore.
    I chose the road less traveled.

    Now where the f#ck am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    Keep going......
    Robin Williams? Dan Akroyd? Mitt Romney? Religious people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    Robin Williams? Dan Akroyd? Mitt Romney? Religious people?
    In all fairness, you are the one passing out death sentences. I'm just agreeing with Homey that it bothers me when people are given gravitas in other arenas, when they suck in their original arena.
    And since we're on the subject of death sentences, I would have no issue if Robin Williams, Whoopee Goldberg and Billy Crystal were murdered. That HBO special those 3 used to do should be used as a torture method to get prisoners to talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    In all fairness, you are the one passing out death sentences. I'm just agreeing with Homey that it bothers me when people are given gravitas in other arenas, when they suck in their original arena.
    And since we're on the subject of death sentences, I would have no issue if Robin Williams, Whoopee Goldberg and Billy Crystal were murdered. That HBO special those 3 used to do should be used as a torture method to get prisoners to talk.
    If Billy Crystal takes a dirt nap who's left to host the academy awards? Jon Stewart? He's kind of a poor man's Bill Maher. No, we need Billy Crystal for the Oscars.

    Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Whoopee Goldberg to say or do something funny.
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    I don't really feel strong about Maher one way or the other, but if he's going off the cliff, there's a list of people whom should be tied to him that could also enjoy the flight. In no specific order:

    - Jesse Jackson
    - Al Sharpton
    - Rush Limbaugh
    - Jim Jeffords
    - Glenn Beck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    I'm going to offer you a little advice, unsolicited, yet worth noting.
    You're trying too hard. Subtlety is the nature of the game.
    Seriously. Passive aggressive swipes at religion get people way more worked up than just blurting out "I love Satan!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    So checking the responses thus far, it sounds as though if Bill Maher tripped and fell off a 1,000 cliff most here would be ok with it because he isn't funny.

    How far would you go with this? Peter Jacobsen? David Letterman?
    I had actually typed "Bill Mahar makes Peter Jacobsen seem funny" in my post but deleted it because he is a golfer first, so Jacobsen not being funny is slightly more acceptable....I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home-slicer View Post
    I had actually typed "Bill Mahar makes Peter Jacobsen seem funny" in my post but deleted it because he is a golfer first, so Jacobsen not being funny is slightly more acceptable....I guess.
    Unadjusted lack of funny I'd agree. But what if you adjust for how hard someone who isn't funny is trying to be? Jacobsen wears out the knees of his pants trying to be funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    I've always assumed all people would just go about their business as if nothing happened, even those within inches from impact and splattered in blood.

    S.hit happens. Sure, there might be some who'd want to get their clothes washed but I would think most would want to keep them as souvenirs. Something that will remind them they were there when the world became a better place.

    But then I saw NN's comment suggesting he wouldn't join the rest of the world in urinating on the corpse.

    What's up with that?
    You assume that the fall would kill him. What if he landed on some soft brush so that he lived but his spine was severed in several places and the injuries were inoperable but he would live as a breathing vegetable and hooked up to computer-generated voice and movement capabilities like Stephen Hawking? Would he still have an HBO show? Would he make jokes about crips? Would people watch his show and donate money to his charity out of sheer sympathy? Would he be the star of the upcoming Democratic National Convention like that actor who played Superman and f*cked his self up bad falling off a horse and then begged the universe of Demo convention watchers in 2000 to approve of stem cell research so that he could get back in the saddle again? Out where a man is a man? Oh baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home-slicer View Post
    Seriously. Passive aggressive swipes at religion get people way more worked up than just blurting out "I love Satan!!"
    Agree. And seriously, organized religion isn't that bad. It's pretty much a rite of passage for Catholic kids to get their cocks sucked by their preist. Who are we to take that tradition away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home-slicer View Post
    Seriously. Passive aggressive swipes at religion get people way more worked up than just blurting out "I love Satan!!"
    I am not trolling here. I am dead serious; I believe the Catholic Church is the most evil and corrupt institution on earth...

    Check this out; huge news in Italy right now: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1514102.html

    The Catholic Church is a very prominent and demonic enterprise.

    The pope is possessed and demons run the Catholic Church. I hate whatever God runs that church...

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    As my Granny used to say, Bill Maher "looks like something slapped away from the table." I watched some kind of Maher special back in the 90s. It impressed me so much, I have never watched anything of his again. It's not that I am an extreme conservative, it is more like Home-slicer said he's just not funny.

    I really think Dennis Miller started a lot of the "political" comedy and everyone else has been trying to imitate it. Even George Carlin seemed to get more political in his comedy after Miller's stints on SNL. Carlin used to be really funny back in the late 60s and early 70s, but his comedy toward the end of his life was literally full of liberalism and profanity. I have also noticed that liberals, for lack of something intelligent to say, seem to curse quite a lot.

    Of course, the immortal words of Forrest Gump really sums up this topic the best, "Stupid is as stupid does."
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanqdoggie View Post
    I am not trolling here. I am dead serious; I believe the Catholic Church is the most evil and corrupt institution on earth...

    Check this out; huge news in Italy right now: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1514102.html

    The Catholic Church is a very prominent and demonic enterprise.

    The pope is possessed and demons run the Catholic Church. I hate whatever God runs that church...

    spank
    Most "Christian" religions at least try to use the Bible as their guide for belief and practices. The Catholic Church is one of the most inconsistent religions whenever it comes to following the strictness of the Bible. It is obvious to anyone that has researched both the Bible and the Catholic church to come to the conclusion -- the Catholic church is almost totally made up by man's ideals and religious doctrines.

    In other words, Spank, you are right as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Player View Post
    As a non American I feel really left out of these current threads in the NGF. Who is Bill Maher and WTF is wrong with Arizona?

    Raising Arizona was a crap movie BTW.
    Raising Arizona is one of those movies that is similar to Napoleon Dynamite -- you have to watch it several times and the humor grows on you until it becomes addicting.

    I think Raising Arizona is hilarious.
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    Bill Maher. Hell, if he won't jump I'll give him a push.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBS View Post
    Raising Arizona is one of those movies that is similar to Napoleon Dynamite -- you have to watch it several times and the humor grows on you until it becomes addicting.

    I think Raising Arizona is hilarious.
    Raising Arizona is one of the best movies ever...

    When that dude shot the bunny rabbit from his Harley, or was it a grenade?...

    Dude is just riding down the highway killing any wildlife he sees... lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanqdoggie View Post
    Raising Arizona is one of the best movies ever...

    When that dude shot the bunny rabbit from his Harley, or was it a grenade?...

    Dude is just riding down the highway killing any wildlife he sees... lol...
    Grenade. Randall "Tex" Cobb was perfect in that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBS View Post
    Most "Christian" religions at least try to use the Bible as their guide for belief and practices. The Catholic Church is one of the most inconsistent religions whenever it comes to following the strictness of the Bible. It is obvious to anyone that has researched both the Bible and the Catholic church to come to the conclusion -- the Catholic church is almost totally made up by man's ideals and religious doctrines.

    In other words, Spank, you are right as usual.

    Just take one look at him, and other popes...

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    There's no game more stupid than "My cult is better than your cult."

    They're all cults, and they're all pretty ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    There's no game more stupid than "My cult is better than your cult."

    They're all cults, and they're all pretty ridiculous.
    This x 1000. I have a tough time reconciling how the majority of the human race, that is supposedly the most intelligent species on the planet, doesn't realize they're putting a bunch of 'faith' in a fairy tale.

    "Do you believe in Santa Claus?"

    "Of course not. That's child's folly."

    "Do you believe that God sent a guy down from heaven so that you don't go to a firey hell with the devil?"

    "Yup. That seems reasonable."

    "And all these other fairy tales are wrong and yours is right?"

    "You got that right. My god is the only true god."
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanqdoggie View Post
    Just take one look at him, and other popes...

    Pure Evil.
    That pope Benedict sure is one evil looking mofo . Wasn't he a Nazi or Nazi collaborator during the war?

    Pope John Paul II looked positively saintly compared to that guy.
    I chose the road less traveled.

    Now where the f#ck am I?

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    It is with slight humiliation I admit to throwing a party like this. I've never watched this show ever, other than 5-10 seconds during a rare channel surf. But a female friend asked if she could invite her friends over for the final show of the season and if I'd rotisserie something, pour a few drinks and in general show her and her friends a good time. I can do that.

    I probably won't actually go in the room where they're watching the show, it makes more sense to wait downstairs where I'll keep the alcohol.
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    Granted you might get a shot of leg out of it but damn, is it really worth it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt1135 View Post
    Granted you might get a shot of leg out of it but damn, is it really worth it?
    Absolutely. Chances of my scoring a quicky are very low, chicks have to be really plowed to get bad in front of a group of their bff-s. But future opportunities, networking and leads from something like this are invaluable.

    After the show's over you might want to discretely switch over to porn...see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBS View Post
    Most "Christian" religions at least try to use the Bible as their guide for belief and practices. The Catholic Church is one of the most inconsistent religions whenever it comes to following the strictness of the Bible. It is obvious to anyone that has researched both the Bible and the Catholic church to come to the conclusion -- the Catholic church is almost totally made up by man's ideals and religious doctrines.

    In other words, Spank, you are right as usual.

    Thank goodness the Catholics have you born again, bible thumping Christians to set them straight. Catholics are the nicest and most humble people of any religion I've been around. They are not out to set other religions straight...like you obviously are.

    Is this a sign of jealousy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    Absolutely. Chances of my scoring a quicky are very low, chicks have to be really plowed to get bad in front of a group of their bff-s. But future opportunities, networking and leads from something like this are invaluable.

    After the show's over you might want to discretely switch over to porn...see what happens.
    Sounds like your friend wants to show off to her friends the man-slave she has. She didn't ask you to clean her house later did she?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    Sounds like your friend wants to show off to her friends the man-slave she has. She didn't ask you to clean her house later did she?
    This comment confused me but then I realized it was coming from a married guy at home with two small kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenzoinoc View Post
    This comment confused me but then I realized it was coming from a married guy at home with two small kids.

    This operation is being conducted under my command and with laser like tactical planning and supervision.
    Yeah, you've probably got it all figured out. I'd be giddy too if a woman asked me to cook a bunch a food for her friends and host a party where the focus is American Idol. I would probably tell my friends it was my idea to wear a butler uniform even if it wasn't.
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    Butler uniform!!!! I figured Lo would be dressed as a male eunuch waving the big fans over their heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt1135 View Post
    Butler uniform!!!! I figured Lo would be dressed as a male eunuch waving the big fans over their heads.
    A male eunuch who is completely in control of the situation and not at all a cuckold, is what you meant I'm sure.
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    Fine. I cook nothing tonight. Nothing. It's a pot luck of appetizers as each is supposed to have previously had dinner. I'm cutting up some strawberries. The girls even said they'd bring the wine.

    Ok, American Idol is lame and a bad excuse to throw a party, you've got me on that one. If I had to change diapers all night I probably wouldn't be happy for me either.
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    OK. You're man card is reinstated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt1135 View Post
    OK. You're man card is reinstated.
    Thanks man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by famousdavis View Post
    Thank goodness the Catholics have you born again, bible thumping Christians to set them straight. Catholics are the nicest and most humble people of any religion I've been around. They are not out to set other religions straight...like you obviously are.

    Is this a sign of jealousy?
    OK, you or one of your family members are Catholic, I get it.

    FD, I haven't run across any Christian groups that have got it "right" yet. It's not that I hate Catholics, I just said that their practices and beliefs are not consistent with the Bible. It stands to reason that if your religious foundation came from the teachings and doctrines in the Bible, shouldn't you adhere to the Bible in order to get everything right?

    Quite likely, I am the only one that thinks this way because there are over 30,000 different religious groups in our world today all calling themselves "Christian," and all taking liberties in their beliefs and practices that are not consistent with the Bible.

    I am a historian of sorts that has a large interest in religion, especially the Christian religions. I've offended a lot of people by pointing out inconsistencies, so don't feel like you are the first. Really though, I don't care. If people don't like what I tell them, they need prove me wrong.

    Fact, the words and offices of Pope and Cardinal are not found in the Bible at all. Fact, Jesus told people to call "no one Father," and yet, the Catholic priests demand all their practitioners to do so. Fact, "praying someone out of purgatory is not a doctrine taught in the Bible, in fact, the word "purgatory" is not found in the Bible, either. I have thousands of these on the Catholic church.

    There is good people in every faith, FD, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with or like the religion. Ask the people during the Inquisition if the Catholic faith produced kindness. We will not even get into their most recent atrocities with little boys. AND, on the little boy subject, the reason the priests were led to be pedophiles in the first place is because the Catholic church forbids priests to marry -- another teaching not found in the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBS View Post
    OK, you or one of your family members are Catholic, I get it.

    FD, I haven't run across any Christian groups that have got it "right" yet. It's not that I hate Catholics, I just said that their practices and beliefs are not consistent with the Bible. It stands to reason that if your religious foundation came from the teachings and doctrines in the Bible, shouldn't you adhere to the Bible in order to get everything right?

    Quite likely, I am the only one that thinks this way because there are over 30,000 different religious groups in our world today all calling themselves "Christian," and all taking liberties in their beliefs and practices that are not consistent with the Bible.

    I am a historian of sorts that has a large interest in religion, especially the Christian religions. I've offended a lot of people by pointing out inconsistencies, so don't feel like you are the first. Really though, I don't care. If people don't like what I tell them, they need prove me wrong.

    Fact, the words and offices of Pope and Cardinal are not found in the Bible at all. Fact, Jesus told people to call "no one Father," and yet, the Catholic priests demand all their practitioners to do so. Fact, "praying someone out of purgatory is not a doctrine taught in the Bible, in fact, the word "purgatory" is not found in the Bible, either. I have thousands of these on the Catholic church.

    There is good people in every faith, FD, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with or like the religion. Ask the people during the Inquisition if the Catholic faith produced kindness. We will not even get into their most recent atrocities with little boys. AND, on the little boy subject, the reason the priests were led to be pedophiles in the first place is because the Catholic church forbids priests to marry -- another teaching not found in the Bible.
    The Catholic Church is the most ungodly and demonic organization on earth...

    15 years ago my Catholic grandmother (my whole family is Catholic) left the Church after she found out her best friend's son was molested as an alter boy at her local church; he is now gay. Big time Catholic church here in San Francisco, too...

    Edit: You guys that don't live in San Francisco do not know this but a large Catholic church in San Francisco allowed the gays to hold Bingo parties... They ran on roller skates through the church and the prizes were dildos and gay porn... The Catholic Church allowed it. Some men dressed up as nuns during the Bingo party giving out dildos as prizes... The Catholic Church embraced it.

    It was in our San Francisco Chronicle...

    Don't get me started...

    Retards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBS View Post
    OK, you or one of your family members are Catholic, I get it.

    FD, I haven't run across any Christian groups that have got it "right" yet. It's not that I hate Catholics, I just said that their practices and beliefs are not consistent with the Bible. It stands to reason that if your religious foundation came from the teachings and doctrines in the Bible, shouldn't you adhere to the Bible in order to get everything right?

    Quite likely, I am the only one that thinks this way because there are over 30,000 different religious groups in our world today all calling themselves "Christian," and all taking liberties in their beliefs and practices that are not consistent with the Bible.

    I am a historian of sorts that has a large interest in religion, especially the Christian religions. I've offended a lot of people by pointing out inconsistencies, so don't feel like you are the first. Really though, I don't care. If people don't like what I tell them, they need prove me wrong.

    Fact, the words and offices of Pope and Cardinal are not found in the Bible at all. Fact, Jesus told people to call "no one Father," and yet, the Catholic priests demand all their practitioners to do so. Fact, "praying someone out of purgatory is not a doctrine taught in the Bible, in fact, the word "purgatory" is not found in the Bible, either. I have thousands of these on the Catholic church.

    There is good people in every faith, FD, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with or like the religion. Ask the people during the Inquisition if the Catholic faith produced kindness. We will not even get into their most recent atrocities with little boys. AND, on the little boy subject, the reason the priests were led to be pedophiles in the first place is because the Catholic church forbids priests to marry -- another teaching not found in the Bible.
    Two possibilities here: 1) You are jealous of the traditions, history and people who are Catholic, meaning that you envy the fact that most have been going to mass since early childhood, were Baptised and are a part of something with meaning. 2) You don't like people who think differently than you do.

    I think it's a mixture of both

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    Quote Originally Posted by famousdavis View Post
    Two possibilities here: 1) You are jealous of the traditions, history and people who are Catholic, meaning that you envy the fact that most have been going to mass since early childhood, were Baptised and are a part of something with meaning. 2) You don't like people who think differently than you do.

    I think it's a mixture of both
    Eh. Being Catholic is pretty overrated. I can summarize the Catholic experience for those who don't know.

    Baptism - it's pretty close to baby torture and is even worse for the attendees.
    First Communion - welcome to a lifetime of horrible tasting body of Christ and germs from the shared wine glass
    CCD - school during the week at night. No thanks.
    Confirmation - you are now at the age of consent for priests to molest you.

    Other random crap...
    Church festivals - not bad, but pretty much just gambling and getting hammered at church. Kinda hypocritical if I gave a damn.
    Lent - give up something for a few weeks. I always give up going to church.
    Mass - stand up, sit down, kneel, eat Jesus, kneel, stand up, shake hands, go to brunch.

    And that is all there is to Catholicism. Not that great if you ask me.
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    Anybody that goes to a Catholic mass and doesn't realize it's one big dog and pony show is about as dumb as checking the toilet paper after the first wipe.

    I can understand those who go to protestant churches; there's some legitimate Christianity going on there. Catholic churches? Not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    Eh. Being Catholic is pretty overrated. I can summarize the Catholic experience for those who don't know.

    Baptism - it's pretty close to baby torture and is even worse for the attendees.
    First Communion - welcome to a lifetime of horrible tasting body of Christ and germs from the shared wine glass
    CCD - school during the week at night. No thanks.
    Confirmation - you are now at the age of consent for priests to molest you.

    Other random crap...
    Church festivals - not bad, but pretty much just gambling and getting hammered at church. Kinda hypocritical if I gave a damn.
    Lent - give up something for a few weeks. I always give up going to church.
    Mass - stand up, sit down, kneel, eat Jesus, kneel, stand up, shake hands, go to brunch.

    And that is all there is to Catholicism. Not that great if you ask me.
    I would give the Catholics a pass if there were just a few isolated incidents of perversion and greed... but there are just way too many to ignore. Such as:

    A priest (gay as hell) had been skimming the collection plates for years and everyone knew. But for whatever reason, the parish couldn't get rid of him and church leadership, as usual, looks the other way. The church ended putting lock zippers on the collections and donations triple. This priest had fancy cars and a vacation house on the shore.

    The parish was finally able to be rid of him when he, the priest, got drunk and he ran his convertible Audi (stolen with church donations) into a pond... true story.

    The collection of similar stories of betrayal and abuse in almost every diocese is what "puts the nail in" so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseballs View Post
    Eh. Being Catholic is pretty overrated. I can summarize the Catholic experience for those who don't know.

    Baptism - it's pretty close to baby torture and is even worse for the attendees.
    First Communion - welcome to a lifetime of horrible tasting body of Christ and germs from the shared wine glass
    CCD - school during the week at night. No thanks.
    Confirmation - you are now at the age of consent for priests to molest you.

    Other random crap...
    Church festivals - not bad, but pretty much just gambling and getting hammered at church. Kinda hypocritical if I gave a damn.
    Lent - give up something for a few weeks. I always give up going to church.
    Mass - stand up, sit down, kneel, eat Jesus, kneel, stand up, shake hands, go to brunch.

    And that is all there is to Catholicism. Not that great if you ask me.
    I can't argue with any of that except for the priest part. I don't believe the church is the cause and effect of predators, seeing they exist by the hundreds in every city in the US.

    I'm not saying the Catholicism is "right" or the greatest thing since sliced bread. What I have noticed, however, throughout my years is how a lot of people like to get into discussions at the dinner table about the Catholic church and there's always some bashing going on. Upon witnessing this by my ex-sister-in-law and brother, it has always appeared to be a matter of jealously more than anything else. The people doing the bashing are normally once or twice a year church-goers. My sister-in-law infrequently attended an Episcopal church where the minister was gay. She liked his progressive thinking. Deep down, I think she resented the fact that she wasn't part of a more organized religion as a child and felt offended that she couldn't simply walk in and take part in Catholic proceedings like you mentioned above.

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